TAO11:


Found his exact words. He wrote and I quote here:

"I won’t provide evidence so go hug transformer."

See link:
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/18#88338204

See also attachment in case he modifies:

I see you are still looking for transformer to hug lol.
Anyways have your resolved the conflicting details between u and your revisionist brother OgboAto?
Both of u are confused idiots lol.

TAO11:


Shut up! He is a historian, and you sh!t as well as a sh!t eater.

He never agreed to any of your Bini lies.

The only point he agreed with you on is when YOU admitted to having nothing to offer.

Shut up there. He is not a historian, he is just another foolish revisionist like you bringing another confusing account about Ife history pushing Ife further in mythology rather than reality..

OgboAto:


This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.

If Oduduwa was Osin Ora like u said, when did his name change from Osin Ora to Oduduwa, why is he called Oduduwa and not Osin Ora? Is oduduwa is middle name, surname or title? Why is he known as oduduwa and not Osin Ora?

I know u will say his name was Osin Ora Oduduwa Adebola

davidnazee:

[s]Shut up there. He is not a historian, he is just another foolish revisionist like you bringing another confusing account about Ife history pushing Ife further in mythology rather than reality..[/s]

You sound bitter.

Oya tell me why. Or call me your parents if you can't talk.

If you tell me, I will ask the Nupe/Igala peoples to accept your application to become slaves in Igala/Nupe kingdom. I promise.

davidnazee:


[s]I see you are still looking for transformer to hug lol.
Anyways have your resolved the conflicting details between u and your revisionist brother OgboAto?
Both of u are confused idiots lol.[/s]

Davidnazee right now... (see below)

davidnazee:


[s]If Oduduwa was Osin Ora like u said, when did his name change from Osin Ora to Oduduwa, why is he called Oduduwa and not Osin Ora? Is oduduwa is middle name, surname or title? Why is he known as oduduwa and not Osin Ora?
I know u will say his name was Osin Ora Oduduwa Adebola [/s]

Your dumbness na follow come:

Your statement sounds to me like.

if Obasanjo is Ebora-Owu like u said, then when did his name become Obasanjo ..... Craze man talk ... You better go chop sh!t for dinner as always.

Moreover, he isn't coming back to talk to you. He already agreed with you 100% when you said you, davidnazee have nothing to offer. Face me!

TAO11:


Your dumbness na follow come:

Your statement sounds to me like.

if Obasanjo is Ebora-Owu like u said, then when did his name become Obasanjo ..... Craze man talk ... You better go chop sh!t for dinner as always.

Moreover, he isn't coming back to talk to you. He already agreed with you 100% when you said you, davidnazee have nothing to offer. Face me!

So u mean his full name is Osin Ora Oduduwa.. Na wa nothing we no go hear from these Yorubas.
Well it’s good u guys are trying to figure out ur dim history..

TAO11:


You sound bitter.

Oya tell me why. Or call me your parents if you can't talk.

If you tell me, I will ask the Nupe/Igala peoples to accept your application to become slaves in Igala/Nupe kingdom. I promise.

Don’t forget half of Yoruba was enslaved by Benin Kingdom for hundreds of years.
My ancestors enslaved and ruled your ancestors.

davidnazee:

[s]So u mean his full name is Osin Ora Oduduwa.. Na wa nothing we no go hear from these Yorubas.
Well it’s good u guys are trying to figure out ur dim history..[/s]

Just like Obasanjo's full name is "Ebora-Owu Obasanjo", right?? ?? ??

I say your dumbness na follow come.


Till death xo you part with the world, you may never find out what "Osin" means to start with.

And you're getting no free education no more. Only savage insults.

You've proven again and again to be dvmb beyond recovery.

davidnazee:


Don’t forget half of Yoruba was enslaved by Benin Kingdom for hundreds of years.
My ancestors enslaved and ruled your ancestors.

It happened ... guess where:

Only inside your thick empty skull.






But on the other hand, Ife enslaved and is still enslaving you Edos from around the year 1200 TILL 2016 AND STILL COUNTING ....

gregyboy:



Young man were do you think we are from yoruba

I hope you have been following the thread and you now know edo was mever part of Oduduwa but only jumped into the story for political reasons

So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

Tao, very good job.
Excellent! Excellent!! Excellent!!!

Please dont stay too long in exchange with these barbaric de-civilized people. They are always bitter, angry, rebellious, cursing, witchery, conflicts. Dont habg around their negative energy. Say what you want and disengage dont let their bitterness rub offf.

Go in their history you will see what im saying.

Owodo curse his own only child
Odionwere cursed his father.
One chief fvckd the Ogiso wife
The ogiso wife sef poisoned king
Another chief ran mad
An ogiso banished his son

They are always in banishment of one sort or the other.

They are forsaken. Oranmiyan did not lie, these people are not civilized and they are always in bitterness.

Q

BabaRamota1980:


So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

I did not even want to go into the old Ife argument yet with them.

Little did these guys know that the Niger-Benue confluence that Ryder (1965) suggested (although wrongly) as the Ogane's kingdom was with Ife in mind.

He argued with many citations that Old Ife used to be in the Niger Benue confluence, and that's true. All scholars agree. Till date there is till an Ife in Idah. Their key deity is called Olojo. Their king goes by the title Onu.

But the strong point scholars brought up against Ryders suggestion of the 1400 Ogane being there is that, as at the time d;Aveiro documented in the late 1400 today's Ife had been established many centuries earlier.

TAO11:


Your parents should speak on your behalf going forward.

You still haven't provided me pictures from the dugged remains from orun oba ado


You're killing yourself upon a political myth


I just pity your parents, if only they new your education was a waste

gregyboy:


[s]You still haven't provided me pictures from the dugged remains from orun oba ado
You're killing yourself upon a political myth
I just pity your parents, if only they new your education was a waste[/s]

If you let your parents call me, they will get pictures of your Obas skulls.

BabaRamota1980:
Tao, very good job.
Excellent! Excellent!! Excellent!!!

Please dont stay too long in exchange with these barbaric de-civilized people. They are always bitter, angry, rebellious, cursing, witchery, conflicts. Dont habg around their negative energy. Say what you want and disengage dont let their bitterness rub offf.

Go in their history you will see what im saying.

Owodo curse his own only child
Odionwere cursed his father.
One chief fvckd the Ogiso wife
The ogiso wife sef poisoned king
Another chief ran mad
An ogiso banished his son

They are always in banishment of one sort or the other.

They are forsaken. Oranmiyan did not lie, these people are not civilized and they are always in bitterness.

Q

Go in your history..

Oduduwa came from Mecca and conquered u
Nupe conquered u
Great benin conquered u and beheaded many Yoruba rulers
Dahomey conquered u.
Fulani conquered u and still enslaving u till tomorrow

So who is actually cursed??

TAO11:


I did not even want to go into the old Ife argument yet with them.

Little did these guys know that the Niger-Benue confluence that Ryder (1965) suggested (although wrongly) as the Ogane's kingdom was with Ife in mind.

He argued with many citations that Old Ife used to be in the Niger Benue confluence, and that's true. All scholars agree. Till date there is till an Ife in Idah. Their key deity is called Olojo. Their king goes by the title Onu.

But the strong point scholars brought up against Ryders suggestion of the 1400 Ogane being there is that, as at the time d;Aveiro documented in the late 1400 today's Ife had been established many centuries earlier.

So if u agree that old Ife was in Niger Benue confluence and u say it was Yoruba then u mean Yoruba originally came out of Niger Benue area, idah to be precise??
More confusion and contradictions from the Yorubas. You guys are a lost race.
But I wish you luck as u try to discover ur roots. U probably came out of Enugu.

BabaRamota1980:


So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

The only people that claim to branch out of mythical ife are the Yoruba people so be specific, don’t make it seem like other tribes branch out of your mythical Ife. .

davidnazee:


[s]So if u agree that old Ife was in Niger Benue confluence and u say it was Yoruba then u mean Yoruba originally came out of Niger Benue area, idah to be precise??
More confusion and contradictions from the Yorubas. You guys are a lost race.
But I wish you luck as u try to discover ur roots. U probably came out of Enugu.[/s]

Nobody said anything like Idah existed then.

These stuffs are bigger than your brain as you can see, little boy.

Call me your paren-- u filled the gap. good boy.

davidnazee:


[s]Go in your history..

Oduduwa came from Mecca and conquered u
Nupe conquered u
Great benin conquered u and beheaded many Yoruba rulers
Dahomey conquered u.
Fulani conquered u and still enslaving u till tomorrow

So who is actually cursed??[/s]

No, Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife.

And Yoruba continues to conquer Edo since 1200 till 2020 and we aren't leaving any time soon.

TAO11:


Nobody said anything like Idah existed then.

These stiffs are bigger than your brain as you can see little boy.

Call me your paren-- u filled the gap. good boy.

See this fool. Are u not the one that said old Ife is in idah. or u are quick to loose ur sense? Keep looking for ur origin.. u won’t find anything because even your ancestors don’t know their origin.
Yoruba history started with Oduduwa when he arrived from Mecca.

TAO11:


If you let your parents call me, they will get pictures of your Obas skulls.

Your parents are fools to have you, you have dedicated your life on myth....

Only if you get laid by me for free



I see you're so excited on your coming from ban do you Know who moderator ban people that are mentally derail people like you

I have read through all your mentions and i see how aroused you are to stick on ife - benin relation even when your fellow brother debunk the relationship as a lie but you still insist, i saw how you manipulated your comment not to insult him

In the shortest word i fear women like you

I still need pictures from the orun oba ado heads
I need an article of European account of benin ife relationship at least datng 2000yrs ago
I need Ovaramwen account of ife-benin relationship

And lastly the name of your village and is original Oduduwa account

davidnazee:


[s]See this fool. Are u not the one that said old Ife is in idah. or u are quick to loose ur sense? Keep looking for ur origin.. u won’t find anything because even your ancestors don’t know their origin.
Yoruba history started with Oduduwa when he arrived from Mecca.[/s]

I knew you're dumb, and you too know you're dvmb. I am just waiting for you to openly admit it.

Having said that. Point out (with link, screenshot or quotation) where I said Old Ife was in Idah.

You read with your ANVS!!

TAO11:


I knew you're dumb, and you too know you're dvmb. I am just waiting for you to openly admit it.

Having said that. Point out (with link, screenshot or quotation) where I said Old Ife was in Idah.

You read with your ANVS!!

Shut up and read this article from one of your uncles...


An editorial by a renowned Yoruba professor and historian.

Vanguard (Lagos)
EDITORIAL
July 7, 2004
Posted to the web July 7, 2004

The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.

gregyboy:

Your parents are fools to have you, you have dedicated your life on myth....
Only if you get laid by me for free ;DI see you're so excited on your coming from ban do you Know who moderator ban people that are mentally derail people like you
I have read through all your mentions and i see how aroused you are to stick on ife - benin relation even when your fellow brother debunk the relationship as a lie but you still insist, i saw how you manipulated your comment not to insult him
In the shortest word[i] i fear women like you
[/i]
I still need pictures from the orun oba ado heads
I need an article of European account of benin ife relationship at least datng 2000yrs ago
I need Ovaramwen account of ife-benin relationshipAnd lastly the name of your village and is original Oduduwa account

You're so bitter. Tell me why!!

If you tell me I will talk to the Igala/Nupe people to please accept you as their slave. Your application will be granted.


And the only reason why I've been requesting your parents (and not you) to talk to me is not to insult them.

I'm doing that only because Im sure you must be dvmber than them.

BabaRamota1980:


So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

So were do benin come from tell me( you will be a fool if you dont reply me a very big fool including your entire family if you dont reply)

What ever you choose you better give reasonable
Account that will be traceable not only on paper


Dont call your family a fool respond

davidnazee:


[s]Shut up and read this article from one of your uncles...


An editorial by a renowned Yoruba professor and historian.

Vanguard (Lagos)
EDITORIAL
July 7, 2004
Posted to the web July 7, 2004

The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.[/s]

Hahaha ... Have you forgotten to have brought this copy and paste before to my table, and that you received serious flogging for it??

You then promised never to be stupid again. Now you broke your promise of no-more-stupidity.

See link below for a reminder of the serious flogging you got on this same copied and pasted m0r0nic Benin lie above.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523

gregyboy:



So were do benin come from tell me( you will be a fool if you dont reply me a very big fool including your entire family if you dont reply)

What ever you choose you better give reasonable
Account that will be traceable not only on paper


Dont call your family a fool respond

Babaramota1980: Did he just beg you to help him trace his root??

Lemme just tell you this. One of them confided in me that they are lost and confused about their roots. I won't mention his name to avoid shaming him, but he can see this comment now.

TAO11:


You're so bitter. Tell me why!!

If you tell me I will talk to the Igala/Nupe people to please accept you as their slave. Your application will be granted.


And the only reason why I've been requesting your parents (and not you) to talk to me is not to insult them.

I'm doing that only because Im sure you must be dvmber than them.

Mr wise who couldn't show photos from orun oba ado site despite your so much emphasis on it

Retarded bigot

All our comments are on goggle people out there are following up and taking note how foolish you are.....

Prove ife and benin connections you are busy citing authors

Fool

TAO11:


Hahaha ... Have you forgotten to have brough this copy and paste before to my table and you received serious flogging for it.

You then promised never to be stupid again. Now you broke your promise of no-more-stupidity.

See link below for a reminder of the serious flogging you got on this same copied and pasted m0r0nic Benin lie above.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523

So it hurts to see ur foolish account of Ife discredited by a fellow Yoruba lol.
I’m bringing more from ur fellow Yorubas.

gregyboy:


Mr wise who couldn't show photos from orun oba ado site despite your so much emphasis on it
Retarded bigot
All our comments are on goggle people out there are following up and taking note how foolish you are.....
Prove ife and benin connections you are busy citing authors[b[i]]Fool[/i][/b]

Ask your parents to call me, I will show them pictures of their Obas' skulls.

I know my comments are on google. And I am so so so so excited about it. That's the idea. So that I reach a wide range and variety of audience that all may know the truth about the suzerainty of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

davidnazee:


So it hurts to see ur foolish account of Ife discredited by a fellow Yoruba lol.
I’m bringing more from ur fellow Yorubas.

The link I posted where I flogged you on that copy and paste lie shows that no Yoruba (let alone Yoruba Professor) ever said anything of such.

Check the comment at the link for a refresher. I know you're amn@siac.


You also lie for a living. Who cursed you??!!