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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Farki: 11:07am On Apr 22, 2020
donbachi:
What africa need is human capacity building,agriculture,business and people friendly policies and open market..not some nuclear energy.

How do you expect business to work without electricity? We still need to power our infrastructure and I am honestly tired of being at the mercy of oil and gas companies.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Nobody: 11:08am On Apr 22, 2020
The truth is, we have to go that way.

Yes, people will say we are poor and corrupt and we don't have the knowledge. So also is India and Pakistan. Nuclear powers, with very large poor and illiterate populations .

We can't rely on oil and gas forever.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by wirinet(m): 11:09am On Apr 22, 2020
donbachi:
What africa need is human capacity building,agriculture,business and people friendly policies and open market..not some nuclear energy.
How can you build human capacity, agriculture and business without energy? What will you use to power your class rooms, your homes, your machines and your businesses. No economy can develop on 4,000 MW of electricity. That's the power consumption. NewYork city alone consumes 3,000MW.

Even though I have always been against nuclear due to safety concerns and high initial cost, I think African countries need to start looking in the direction of nuclear and other alternative energy sources to solve our energy crisis. Fossil fuel is just too unpredictable and political apart from its environmental concerns.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Farki: 11:09am On Apr 22, 2020
jerryunit48:
The west will not let that happen... just imagine someone like Idi Amin having a nuclear power

A nuclear power generator and a nuclear warhead are two completely different things. A nuclear power generator is basically a glorified boiler room.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 11:09am On Apr 22, 2020
donbachi:
pikin dey grow reach,b4 dem give am fowl leg.

He just told you you can't make any meaningful progress without stable electricity. Don't you know everything revolves around electricity?

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 11:11am On Apr 22, 2020
jerryunit48:
The west will not let that happen... just imagine someone like Idi Amin having a nuclear power
You fuel used for nuclear power generation is a low enriched fuel. It's not weapon grade. They are two entirely different things.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Nobody: 11:11am On Apr 22, 2020
Fidelismaria:


I wonder what people mean when they say we're not ready yet?

Community policing
we're not ready yet


Restructuring
we're not ready yet


New constitution
we're not ready yet



what exactly is Nigeria ready for?















Thank you very much. The truth of the matter is that we have to grab any moment and act upon it, do it rightly and ensure there are no mistakes and regrets. If we keep waiting for the proverbial right time, it may never come.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 11:12am On Apr 22, 2020
NwaNimo1:
Nope!

Solar all the way,,,,
Lol, solar is only good for small countries. Putting money on solar in Nigeria is purely a waste of time. It will amount to nothing.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by meetme01: 11:15am On Apr 22, 2020
If Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to happen in any African country, that may be end of such country.

What we need is to human capacity. We have available resources that is yet to be harnessed. Abundant coal and abundant sunlight. Those European countries do not have quarter of those resources hence their desire to use what is best for them.

No African country is ready for such.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by oluwaseyi0: 11:15am On Apr 22, 2020
babyfaceafrica:
No.. We are not ready yet

What make you think so and when are we going to be ready

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Nobody: 11:17am On Apr 22, 2020
Patrioticman007:
Its only Nuclear Power that will feed Nigerias energy hunger.



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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by meetme01: 11:17am On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:

Lol, solar is only good for small countries. Putting money on solar in Nigeria is purely a waste of time. It will amount to nothing.

Small countries.? What about if 15states in the North make use of solar and the South make use coal while the west make use of dams and other means. Is that not a way forward.? Just asking. Ready to learn.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mzhazel(f): 11:17am On Apr 22, 2020
We're not ready for a nuclear power plant. With the sort of leaders we have in Nigeria, the chances of seeing what happened in Chernobyl happen again, is high. Note that, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded because of a design flaw and lies upon lies.
The people governing us here in Nigeria are liars as well as thieves. They'll only use about 60% of allocated funds to build and embezzle the rest. Thus, leading to a substandard power plant full of flaws and built on a foundation of lies.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by sulaak(m): 11:19am On Apr 22, 2020
autofreak2020:

Previous corruption is the reason why our power supply is having problems, and it effect is that we don't have enough to drive the economy.

Nuclear power plant is unforgiving, if you allow corruption to affect the plant, it will not only shut down to destroy the economy, people will be destroyed.

But if we allow private sector to pioneer it with strict policy, it has better chance of improved efficiency.


Private sectors cannot function without an effective governance platform to ensure governance, standards and regulation. The reason why the private energy sector (refineries, oil exploitation and power supply) is in complete meltdown, is due to lacks good governance, leadership and institutions.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by DrMuzungu(m): 11:19am On Apr 22, 2020
No, never, unless you want to see this. And why? Because of a lack of seriousness, maintenance culture and generally lack of political stability. Every !diot would use a nuclear plant as a weapon.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by E2000: 11:20am On Apr 22, 2020
Yes Nigeria is ready under one condition . The nuclear power plant(s) should be built very very close to Aso rock or the National house of Assembly and we will never have a problem with it.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 11:20am On Apr 22, 2020
meetme01:
If Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to happen in any African country, that may be end of such country.

What we need is to human capacity. We have available resources that is yet to be harnessed. Abundant coal and abundant sunlight. Those European countries do not have quarter of those resources hence their desire to use what is best for them.

No African country is ready for such.
Coal? Sunlight? With heavy rainfall in Africa? You mentioned Hiroshima and Nagazaki yet you forgot it's a nuclear bomb not nuclear power plant.

Some of you do not truly understand these energy concepts. I don't want to talk about coal (its never an option). Opting for solar energy is the worst option for a country, small countries let alone a large countries like us. It's cheap, but it can't support large industries. You need a vast land to put it and you also need to get a lot of batteries which in itself isn't good.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by JetStar: 11:21am On Apr 22, 2020
Africa should consider the nuclear option for its energy needs? Hmmmm...... that's not only scary but it doesn't make sense for now. Nukes have the following challenges

1. They are very expensive: Have you seen the costs of nuclear power projects across the world? The price can go as high as 6 dollar per a watt if you pay for it without borrowing. If you need some financing, then it's going to be as high as 10 dollar per a watt. Just an example: the United Kingdom is currently having a Hinkley C power plant being built in sommerset. That plant costs about 23 billion pounds. The initial price is just around 18 billion pounds but it was later revised to 23 billion pounds so that the project could be completed in time. Whats the power rating of hinkley C? Just 3 gigawatts. Now compare that to the planned Mambilla hydro power project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts costing just around 6 billion dollars!!!!! For now african countries don't have the financial horsepower to fund a nuclear power plant project.

2. They are quite risky: Anything goes wrong with nuclear and you will be looking at an almost irreparable damage and reputation. For now, the nuclear tech currently in use are not advisable since they generate long term waste (lasting millions of years). Even in developed countries, where to dump the nuclear waste is currently being challenged and communities in the us are protesting against it.


The only good thing about nuclear power is the fact that they have an almost perfect capacity factor (producing power round the clock 24 hours in a day 7 days in a week) This is unlike natural gas, nuclear, wind, hydro or solar energy systems which could run out of "fuel" for the long term. Yes, it is true that nukes don't emit carbon, but they have far more dangerous waste that could last for an eternity.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Michael11stock(m): 11:21am On Apr 22, 2020
strenghtt:
For where? That might be a suicide mission.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Angelfrost(m): 11:21am On Apr 22, 2020
donbachi:
What africa need is human capacity building,agriculture,business and people friendly policies and open market..not some nuclear energy.

Africa as a continent doesn't seem ready to grow and truly attain her full potentials!!!

There are so many alternative and better developmental opportunities to explore as nations and as a continent, but our leaders and most citizens seem content to remain passive, average, and behind all other foreign nations!!!

Our leaders lack foresight, drive, initiative, and vision!!!
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by scoundrel(f): 11:22am On Apr 22, 2020
I have seen this topic get discussed from all angles since 2005 till this very day. There is no way I’m willing to waste time and logic on a hackneyed subject.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Originalsly: 11:22am On Apr 22, 2020
Nuclear energy in the 21st century?.... are we planning to live in the past or the future?

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by scoundrel(f): 11:24am On Apr 22, 2020
Michael11stock:

Game of Thrones Hands Us Lessons on the Chief of Staff Role

similarities of the King or Queen’s Hand and the Chief of Staff role.

Robert travels to Ned’s home to ask, in a near command-like request, “Ned, I need you.” This moment of vulnerability and the immediate response from Ned, bowing and expressing the honor, demonstrates the gravitas of the position.

Robert goes on to tell Ned, “We were meant to rule together.” It is at this time we truly see the Hand’s partnership with the King—someone acting in his stead and working side-by-side toward a common goal. Very similar to a modern-day Chief of Staff.


Throughout the Game of Thrones series and in the A Song of Ice and Fire books, there are lessons from the Hand applicable for anyone in or considering the Chief of Staff role. Read more
How does this copypasta relate to the topic at hand? You children have too much time and data on your hands.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by sulaak(m): 11:24am On Apr 22, 2020
Staphylococcus:


Human capacity in the absence of steady electricity?

Agriculture and business, what drives this sectors?

Energy is the bane root.

Well stated

Without energy, access to clean water and logistics (road, rail and ports) Nigeria will continue to remain in the dark ages. Nigeria should study Ancient Rome 400BC on how they master water supply and road construction.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 11:26am On Apr 22, 2020
mzhazel:
We're not ready for a nuclear power plant. With the sort of leaders we have in Nigeria, the chances of seeing what happened in Chernobyl happen again, is high. Note that, the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded because of a design flaw and lies upon lies.
The people governing us here in Nigeria are liars as well as thieves. They'll only use about 60% of allocated funds to build and embezzle the rest. Thus, leading to a substandard power plant full of flaws and built on a foundation of lies.

Chernobyl exploded first because of the flood, not design faults. There's hardly any known Nuclear power plant disaster caused by design faults. Chernobyl was a civil engineering design fault. Simple.

You are just complicating issues and saying nothing. You can equally say the same of Ajaokuta, etc.

A nuclear power plant is not only monitored by host country, rather other countries. Also, the construction is expensive but there's no embezzlement of such fund. It's known already and nothing of such can happen.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by JessicaBARBIE(f): 11:26am On Apr 22, 2020
mrvitalis:


Oga how much would it cost and where would the money come from
Bleep you this he-goat, y'all should stop quoting long posts or the op

Seun how an about you guys start placing ban on people who quote long posts? angry
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Diamondplus1805(m): 11:26am On Apr 22, 2020
Maintenance Culture is key, are we ready as a nation?
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Staphylococcus: 11:27am On Apr 22, 2020
donbachi:
pikin dey grow reach,b4 dem give am fowl leg.

How will the child grow to that age if not fed.

He will definitely die of hunger before he gets the fowl leg.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by joysparrow1(f): 11:27am On Apr 22, 2020
Abeg we are ok with what we have
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by meetme01: 11:28am On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:

Coal? Sunlight? With heavy rainfall in Africa? You mentioned Hiroshima and Nagazaki yet you forgot it's a nuclear bomb not nuclear power plant.

Some of you do not truly understand these energy concepts. I don't want to talk about coal (its never an option). Opting for solar energy is the worst option for a country, small countries let alone a large countries like us. It's cheap, but it can't support large industries. You need a vast land to put it and you also need to get a lot of batteries which in itself isn't good.

You are a Physics. Explain the energy concepts. It's always good to learn. I am not science oreinted. I believe coal is in abundance and the best for African countries.

Why I beacon on solar is that, the Northern part or Nigeria has it in abundance. Their household do not need enough energy like the other regions. 200wats is enough for some households and if you remove such households from the power grid, it will cushion the effect on other energy sources.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by zoedew: 11:30am On Apr 22, 2020
No! We do not appear capable of safely running such.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by sulaak(m): 11:30am On Apr 22, 2020
JetStar:
Africa should consider the nuclear option for its energy needs? Hmmmm...... that's not only scary but it doesn't make sense for now. Nukes have the following challenges

1. They are very expensive: Have you seen the costs of nuclear power projects across the world? The price can go as high as 6 dollar per a watt if you pay for it without borrowing. If you need some financing, then it's going to be as high as 10 dollar per a watt. Just an example: the United Kingdom is currently having a Hinkley C power plant being built in sommerset. That plant costs about 23 billion pounds. The initial price is just around 18 billion pounds but it was later revised to 23 billion pounds so that the project could be completed in time. Whats the power rating of hinkley C? Just 3 gigawatts. Now compare that to the planned Mambilla hydro power project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts costing just around 6 billion dollars!!!!! For now african countries don't have the financial horsepower to fund a nuclear power plant project.

2. They are quite risky: Anything goes wrong with nuclear and you will be looking at an almost irreparable damage and reputation. For now, the nuclear tech currently in use are not advisable since they generate long term waste (lasting millions of years). Even in developed countries, where to dump the nuclear waste is currently being challenged and communities in the us are protesting against it.


The only good thing about nuclear power is the fact that they have an almost perfect capacity factor (producing power round the clock 24 hours in a day 7 days in a week) This is unlike natural gas, nuclear, wind, hydro or solar energy systems which could run out of "fuel" for the long term. Yes, it is true that nukes don't emit carbon, but they have far more dangerous waste that could last for an eternity.

The Mambilla hydropower project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts is over price . Siemen supplied 3 x 4.8GW power plants to Egypt at the cost of $9billion. Ethiopia Millennium hydroelectric dam will cost $4 billion and generate 6GW


Winning POWER’s highest honor is a set of three gas-fired power plants and related infrastructure — the Egypt Megaproject — which was the single biggest order ever in Siemens’ long history. Completed in a record-setting 27.5 months from financial closure, the three plants added 14.4 GW to Egypt’s power grid, heaving the country away from persistent power shortages that would have crippled industrial growth and setting it firmly en route to long-term power security.

https://www.powermag.com/interactive-content/2019-plant-year-egypt-megaproject/

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