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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by veron007: 12:03pm On Apr 22, 2020
Yes we'll locate it in your village. Ordinary refinery we can't maintain and you want to go into nuclear power plant.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by chizzyglow: 12:05pm On Apr 22, 2020
meetme01:
If Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to happen in any African country, that may be end of such country.

What we need is to human capacity. We have available resources that is yet to be harnessed. Abundant coal and abundant sunlight. Those European countries do not have quarter of those resources hence their desire to use what is best for them.

No African country is ready for such.
Understand first before you comment... those re nuclear warheads this is entirely different
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by pooozeee(m): 12:08pm On Apr 22, 2020
We can't handle it, disaster will struck due to negligence most expecially by Nigerians.
Even Russia who are expert had a nuclear disaster once, the consequence is death I think we should avoid it

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by wirinet(m): 12:09pm On Apr 22, 2020
benji93:
At the moment, No. Nigeria especially. I am afraid, we are not capable of managing such a system especially the by/waste products. We cannot handle a potential nuclear fallout. At least not until we start caring genuinely about each other's welfare. If we embark on such an endeavor, Ithe first phase would involve the development of human resources. We may have to send students to study different aspects of Nuclear power, over a given period of time. Now, in the light of sending students, there has to be a team Nigerian expert on Nuclear energy, providing advisory functions on how to develop human resource with all important aspects of Nuclear energy in consideration. Following this, we would have to create an institution that would be equipped to train personnel to develop and manage our Nuclear power generation systems. At the moment I know of no single renowned Nigerian expert on Nuclear power generation. So if we would like to venture into nuclear energy generation 30/40 years from now, the federal government can specifically create a board that oversees the funding of students who would like to pursue postgraduate work in Nuclear Energy for a span of 15/20 years. However, given the cruelty of our leaders, creating such a board is an avenue for embezzlement. Our current crop of leaders is unapologetically corrupt. Let's hope we can phase them out, as we usher in a more moderately corrupt generation of leaders. The key phrase is generation of leaders not leader. Although it has to begin with that one leader, that will spearhead a revolution in which those potential leaders with some restraint will start considering getting into politics. At the moment, you cannot trust our leaders to effectively execute the first phase, which would require continuity. I wouldn't even bother mentioning the other phases. It's a waste of time for Now. By the way, I would think there are other safer alternatives like wind and solar energy we can consider, although the latter would be really expensive. But I suppose it's not something we would do in a month, perhaps we can spread it over 3/4 years.
I don't understand why people only condemn leaders, what about followers? The generality of the Nigerian population condone and encourage corruption. In fact corruption has become an acceptable culture. It's present in every aspect ed of our social, political and economic life. From churches, whose leaders embezzle almost donations, tithes and offerings to market women association, from our village development association to our collective contributions to achieve any objective.

What happens to research grants given to faculties of Nigerian universities to conduct research. The monies are embezzled by the dean of faculties and H.O.D.s. Oxford university has just been given a grant of £20 million to find a vaccine for coronavirus. Give that kind of money to a Nigerian university and the V.C., Dean and H.O.D. would do thanks giving the next Sunday. No research would be done.
Our problem is one of value system, until we change our values, we would not make progress as a society.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Reference(m): 12:10pm On Apr 22, 2020
ogalandlord:
We should use renewable energy not nuclear energy

Their cost per unit of energy generated remains too high for now. If it was that easy everyone will have dropped others. You can see that the average Nigerian can only afford to keep the basics in his home or office running on renewables. No one loves NEPA but renewables are pricey for similar capacity on any scale.

A poor country/continent does not start its industrial journey by adopting the most expensive route. China is number one in installed solar capacity today but before then they were number one in the dirtiest fuel, coal. Their route was coal to wealth to ethics. Na peson wey chop dey obey lockdown.

If we want to be Mr. Nice Environmental guy and develop at the same time in a timely manner we simply cannot avoid going nuclear.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by TMKsouth: 12:10pm On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:


Honestly. Even some African nations are seriously advancing. Imagine SA of yesterday has set their house in order. They now offer Nigerians scholarships to come and study in their great universities. But you will see youths instead of being ashamed of themselves, proudly say we are not ready.

Nigeria is too afro-pessimistic to lead Africa. Too much "can't-do" attitude. Even with our xenophobic tendencies in South Africa, we are however more optimistic about the continent. Ironic, I know.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by dejt4u(m): 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:

Coal? Sunlight? With heavy rainfall in Africa? You mentioned Hiroshima and Nagazaki yet you forgot it's a nuclear bomb not nuclear power plant.

Some of you do not truly understand these energy concepts. I don't want to talk about coal (its never an option). Opting for solar energy is the worst option for a country, small countries let alone a large countries like us. It's cheap, but it can't support large industries. You need a vast land to put it and you also need to get a lot of batteries which in itself isn't good.
people are less informed about how nuclear power plants work. They are just afraid of the risk involved without weighing the benefits. Even, there are numerous risks associated with electricity generally and we are still coping with it. Nigeria will surely cope with a few nuclear plants
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by atmstyle: 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
Ravon:

https://brandspurng.com/2020/04/22/should-africa-consider-the-nuclear-energy-route/
No. Africa is not yet ready for nuclear energy and its burdens.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:13pm On Apr 22, 2020
JetStar:
Africa should consider the nuclear option for its energy needs? Hmmmm...... that's not only scary but it doesn't make sense for now. Nukes have the following challenges

1. They are very expensive: Have you seen the costs of nuclear power projects across the world? The price can go as high as 6 dollar per a watt if you pay for it without borrowing. If you need some financing, then it's going to be as high as 10 dollar per a watt. Just an example: the United Kingdom is currently having a Hinkley C power plant being built in sommerset. That plant costs about 23 billion pounds. The initial price is just around 18 billion pounds but it was later revised to 23 billion pounds so that the project could be completed in time. Whats the power rating of hinkley C? Just 3 gigawatts. Now compare that to the planned Mambilla hydro power project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts costing just around 6 billion dollars!!!!! For now african countries don't have the financial horsepower to fund a nuclear power plant project.

2. They are quite risky: Anything goes wrong with nuclear and you will be looking at an almost irreparable damage and reputation. For now, the nuclear tech currently in use are not advisable since they generate long term waste (lasting millions of years). Even in developed countries, where to dump the nuclear waste is currently being challenged and communities in the us are protesting against it.


The only good thing about nuclear power is the fact that they have an almost perfect capacity factor (producing power round the clock 24 hours in a day 7 days in a week) This is unlike natural gas, nuclear, wind, hydro or solar energy systems which could run out of "fuel" for the long term. Yes, it is true that nukes don't emit carbon, but they have far more dangerous waste that could last for an eternity.

This is a wrong analysis to only subject the cost to the cost of production. Nuclear surely do have larges start up or build cost but it remains the cheapest longterm.

Have you checked the cost of maintaining hydro? The cost of gas? etc.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by benji93: 12:15pm On Apr 22, 2020
Short half-life? How short? We are still talking about decades here. I doubt you are an expert on the subject man. Did you say 90%? Can you provide the source of this information? The concerns of the media is well-placed. Nigeria and Africa at large is not ready for nuclear power.
Sydney1995:
Bro I agree with u about the financial aspect of nuclear. If we have to go down that nuc route then it's certainly gonna have to be a sort of public private partnership or some sort of financing options from say the World Bank.
However, the part on nuc waste I fail to agree. For a starter, 90% of all nuc waste are low to intermediate level waste which are really not that harmful.
If we put things in perspective, how many times in the last 40 years have they been a nuclear disaster? Not more than 3. More people die each year from GHG emsissions than from nuclear waste.

The issue with waste disposal is mainly down to the media who has unfortunately influenced a negative view of nuc on the wider population. But what a lot of people from the outside fail to realise is that majority of nuc waste has a very short half life meaning they will decompose rapidly and therefore be of no harm to the wider community. The truth is waste disposal is getting better and better each day, frankly speaking the overreaction on nuclear is uncalled for. We should focus on the real killers out there

The cost issue u highlighted at HPC is cus EDF have refused to listen they wanna do things their own way even when they are not expert. I know this cus I am currently working on HPC and Sizewell C as a nuclear and power consultant and I work very closely with the EDF team.


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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:16pm On Apr 22, 2020
TMKsouth:


Nigeria is too afro-pessimist to lead Africa. Even with our xenophobic tendencies in South Africa, we are however more optimistic about the continent. Ironic, I know.

You are very correct. And South Africa is miles ahead of Nigeria in terms of everything technology. In education the same.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Supersymetry: 12:16pm On Apr 22, 2020
Staphylococcus:


Read what you composing.

You have failed to factor in what's demanded and the best and most efficient way to get reach it.

Oh! We should go solar to generate 50k MW or go thermal that is about being faced out. Tell me more.. wind turbines or Hydro.

Nuclear will get Nigeria the desired efficient and reliable capacity.

We talking about powering up a Nation with large energy deficit and not lightening up a village.
Solar is capable of delivering in Gigawatts today, terawatt with quantum dots though not fully developed, technically nuclear fission is not renewable in long term especially with an exponential growth in demand( a topic of another day). Maybe nuclear fusion can go a long but it's still in development, fossil fuel can be made carbon neutral if things like carbon sinking etc is developed.
If a country is not planning to build nuclear weapons it's a burden to build an old fashioned nuclear fission reactor.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by dejt4u(m): 12:16pm On Apr 22, 2020
kenshore:
The challenge with Nuclear power in Africa is how to dispose off Spent nuclear fuel.. It’s highly challenging and expensive
our radioactive waste management is generally poor (or non existing) in Nigeria

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by wirinet(m): 12:16pm On Apr 22, 2020
Reference:


You need enormous industrial support to drive down prices and serious R&'D. Nigeria can get there but not tomorrow. No nation waits for optimum technology before developing indigenously. Let us adopt the technologies that are available. If we are going green then nuclear remains the best for now.

Nuclear plants pay for themselves in about 5 years. By the time the nuclear fuel is spent in say 25 to 30 years, perhaps renewables will have become viable.
A country's energy mix cannot consist of one source. It's usually a mix of Fossil fuel, solar, nuclear, hydro and other renewals in varying proportions. Most countries are reducing their percentages of fossil fuels and increasing solar and other renewables.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by donnie(m): 12:17pm On Apr 22, 2020
Please shelve such an idiotic idea and deal with electricity issue first. Nonsense and ingredient.

After the same people that are pushing for 5G will push this one when they discover there's money to be made.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:17pm On Apr 22, 2020
Reference:


Their cost per unit of energy generated remains too high for now. If it was that easy everyone will have dropped others. You can see that the average Nigerian can only afford to keep the basics in his home or office running on renewables. No one loves NEPA but renewables are pricey for similar capacity on any scale.

A poor country/continent does not start its industrial journey by adopting the most expensive route. China is number one in installed solar capacity but hefore then they were number one in the dirtiest fuel, coal. Their route was coal to wealth to ethics. Na peson wey chop dey obey lockdown.

If we want to be Mr. Nice Environmental guy and develop at the same time in a timely manner we simply cannot avoid going nuclear.
Well put. The average Nigerian only knows nuclear to be nuclear weapons. They love show of power between US and North Korea that anything nuclear means bomb and destruction to them.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by osazsky(m): 12:18pm On Apr 22, 2020
jerryunit48:
The west will not let that happen... just imagine someone like Idi Amin having a nuclear power
it is west Africa that will not make it happen they will explode themselves
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Gerrard59(m): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:


US have a lot of Nuclear Reactors. Do you even know how many people are in US. Over 300 million. They can't use one source of power.

Do you know the number of nuclear reactors in US alone?

If you think Nigeria will ever get close to electricity stability in the next century without considering Nuclear, then you had better wake up from that slumber

This is the unfortunate truth most Nigerians don't know. We need nuclear energy but it should be handled by the French.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by donnie(m): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
Bolowolowo:
If any African nation has the ressources to man and meticulously monitor nuclear reactors then they should go for it.

France has built several reactors over the decades and no one has questioned them.

So you're comparing Nigeria and France? Have we finished distributing electricity effectively?
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by pellummy(m): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
If we Africans can come together we will be more than capable to have a nuclear power house which Will help our economy, and prepare us for nuclear warfare too, to help us protect our wealth as a nation not continent
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Fucsheetup(f): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
Fidelismaria:


I wonder what people mean when they say we're not ready yet?

Community policing
we're not ready yet


Restructuring
we're not ready yet


New constitution
we're not ready yet



what exactly is Nigeria ready for?














Ask Google.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by tunary(m): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
jerryunit48:
The west will not let that happen... just imagine someone like Idi Amin having a nuclear power
Waaaaat idi amin control a nuclear power, it means 3rd world war. Africans should never be given the privilege of nuclear power or else they'll destroy the world with it. African leaders only copy the negative side of every thing which we all know. this is not something to even consider at all, it is unheard of. for Africa to posses nuclear power,, abomination. Imbanu like ibgo word
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Gerrard59(m): 12:19pm On Apr 22, 2020
ogalandlord:
We should use renewable energy not nuclear energy

Nuclear energy is another type of renewable energy.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:20pm On Apr 22, 2020
VaselineCrew:


When you say need a lot of batteries, hope you’re not referring to regular lead acid batteries?

Technology is improving and the likes of Tesla now have utility scale batteries that have already been deployed. Below is a pic of a 100MW Tesla utility battery. Combined with solar, that can power soo many homes.

Imagine if every state had one to start, that’s already 3,600MW of clean energy.
See, stop exciting your mind with technological advancement that can't be mass produced. You think if it's that easy, US will have over 20 Nuclear Power Plants? Same with France with over 50 Nuclear Reactors.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Nukilia: 12:23pm On Apr 22, 2020
JetStar:
Africa should consider the nuclear option for its energy needs? Hmmmm...... that's not only scary but it doesn't make sense for now. Nukes have the following challenges

1. They are very expensive: Have you seen the costs of nuclear power projects across the world? The price can go as high as 6 dollar per a watt if you pay for it without borrowing. If you need some financing, then it's going to be as high as 10 dollar per a watt. Just an example: the United Kingdom is currently having a Hinkley C power plant being built in sommerset. That plant costs about 23 billion pounds. The initial price is just around 18 billion pounds but it was later revised to 23 billion pounds so that the project could be completed in time. Whats the power rating of hinkley C? Just 3 gigawatts. Now compare that to the planned Mambilla hydro power project costing just 6 billion dollars with a capacity of 3 gigawatts costing just around 6 billion dollars!!!!! For now african countries don't have the financial horsepower to fund a nuclear power plant project.

2. They are quite risky: Anything goes wrong with nuclear and you will be looking at an almost irreparable damage and reputation. For now, the nuclear tech currently in use are not advisable since they generate long term waste (lasting millions of years). Even in developed countries, where to dump the nuclear waste is currently being challenged and communities in the us are protesting against it.


The only good thing about nuclear power is the fact that they have an almost perfect capacity factor (producing power round the clock 24 hours in a day 7 days in a week) This is unlike natural gas, nuclear, wind, hydro or solar energy systems which could run out of "fuel" for the long term. Yes, it is true that nukes don't emit carbon, but they have far more dangerous waste that could last for an eternity.

grin grin grin you're trying to sound like an expert but youre not. Good try
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:25pm On Apr 22, 2020
wirinet:


Germany must be a very small country, because Germany generates 9.1% of its electricity from solar and up to 24.8% by wind - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany

Putting money in solar is the best investment Nigeria and Nigerians can embark upon now.
What about the rest of it's energy? Bought and supplied from France. Do you have such option?
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by RTSC: 12:25pm On Apr 22, 2020
Nuclear energy under this buhari regime.?

A man that would fill the plant with barely qualified abokii.

Stop wishing us bad things.

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Staphylococcus: 12:25pm On Apr 22, 2020
Supersymetry:

Solar is capable of delivering in Gigawatts today, terawatt with quantum dots though not fully developed, technically nuclear fission is not renewable in long term especially with an exponential growth in demand( a topic of another day). Maybe nuclear fusion can go a long way nuclear but it's still in development, fossil fuel can be made carbon neutral if things like carbon sinking etc is developed.

Do you always read what you composing and factor to subject being discussed?

Now you mentioning technologies that are still in developmental stages with unfound reliability.

You idea will only compound our problems as the county will just be used for a test ground. Nuclear has delivered in many countries and proven to be safe, efficient and reliable.

Hello, if we must meet our national demand with all proven techs available, Nuclear is the way to go.

Gbam!

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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by Nukilia: 12:26pm On Apr 22, 2020
mrphysics:

See, stop exciting your mind with technological advancement that can't be mass produced. You think if it's that easy, US will have over 20 Nuclear Power Plants? Same with France with over 50 Nuclear Reactors.
Thank you for the perfect expert judgment... Thumbs up for speaking from a well informed position smiley
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by tunary(m): 12:27pm On Apr 22, 2020
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Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by mrphysics(m): 12:27pm On Apr 22, 2020
Gerrard59:


This is the unfortunate truth most Nigerians don't know. We need nuclear energy but it should be handled by the French.
They signed a deal with Russia because Russia promised to own the cost of production and recover it after launch. Most countries such as Turkey, Egypt, UAE, Nigeria, etc are choosing to go that way.

France can't make such commitment, though I prefer their solution.
Re: Should Africa Consider The Nuclear Energy Route? by benji93: 12:27pm On Apr 22, 2020
Who should I condemn? I can't condemn anyone until they get to the position of power. You promised to do so so and so for the whole country, so I will hold you to it. I believe the followers are corrupt as well, but that can be mitigated. Have you heard of the phrase"leadership by example"? Besides, i have said it and I will say it again. The majority of Nigerian researchers are not well-equipped intellectually, especially with respect to conducting cutting-edge research. A chameleon begets a chameleon. Our system of education and research is in disrepair, generally. The majority of our professors are products of this system. You would be deceiving yourself if you expect our system to consistently produce good researchers. The size of the grant you deserve should be based on your history of research. Why would I give you multimillion-dollar grants, if you don't have a track record of conducting good research? If you are not in academia, you may not understand what research entails in funding and quality.
wirinet:

I don't understand why people only condemn leaders, what about followers? The generality of the Nigerian population condone and encourage corruption. In fact corruption has become an acceptable culture. It's present in every aspect ed of our social, political and economic life. From churches, whose leaders embezzle almost donations, tithes and offerings to market women association, from our village development association to our collective contributions to achieve any objective.

What happens to research grants given to faculties of Nigerian universities to conduct research. The monies are embezzled by the dean of faculties and H.O.D.s. Oxford university has just been given a grant of £20 million to find a vaccine for coronavirus. Give that kind of money to a Nigerian university and the V.C., Dean and H.O.D. would do thanks giving the next Sunday. No research would be done.
Our problem is one of value system, until we change our values, we would not make progress as a society.

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