freshboi88:



You should laugh at urself....cos I'll make u to continuously make a mockery of urself defending the indefensible
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”

14The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped

Why is Jesus Worshipped in heaven?

The Greek word translated "worship" could also be translated as "obeisance to" this means preparation to take orders from such a person.

Hence the word worship according to the dictionary have various meanings including secred service or complete obedience.

So someone can say "i will not worship him/her" not necessarily mean to render sacred service to as a god but not to bow always to such a person's command!

All authority was given to Jesus both in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} but he had to wait until the one who gave him such authority have to say "go and start exercising your authority" {Psalms 110:1-2}

Of course all creatures in heaven must obey him, Satan and his demons will not so Jesus (Michael) ousted them from heaven! Revelation 12:7-9

God bless you!

Jozzy4:


Isaac is a son, Jesus and the angels are also son... Who Father them ? By what process were the Sons of God produced, Creation ?



Sons of God are created being. So a created being cannot be worshipped in your own words that translation should be honor or respect. Its an error in translation just as it happened for Daniel and David.

This man sef...I know u r learned

Now c....it is not the same


“To him who sits on the throne [b]and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”[/b]

They specifically used to word 'And'. Where they also honour Jehovah too?

Mind u the cases u said was on earth. This one is in heaven.... Jesus is worshipped in the same breadth as the Father.

Maximus69:


[s] The Greek word translated "worship" could also be translated as "obeisance to" this means preparation to take orders from such a person.

Hence the word worship according to the dictionary have various meanings including secred service or complete obedience.

So someone can say "i will not worship him/her" not necessarily mean to render sacred service to as a god but not to bow always to such a person's command!

All authority was given to Jesus both in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} but he had to wait until the one who gave him such authority have to say "go and start exercising your authority" {Psalms 110:1-2}

Of course all creatures in heaven must obey him, Satan and his demons will not so Jesus (Michael) ousted them from heaven! Revelation 12:7-9

God bless you! [/s]

Cheap explanation

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”


If the worship here means obedience, why is Jesus sharing in the praise and glory accorded to the Father.

Remember God doesn't share his glory with anyone?

freshboi88:



Cheap explanation

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”


If the worship here means obedience, why is Jesus sharing in the praise and glory accorded to the Father.

Remember God doesn't share his glory with anyone?

Yes nah!

That's why the scriptures specifically said "when it says all authority was given to Jesus (Michael) the one who gave him such authority (Jehovah) was excluded from amongst those placed under Jesus" 1Corinthians 15:27

Please calm down my guy, you don't need to cancel what other people say nah.

After all you're trying to make a point just as everyone else is doing, so try to control your temper!

Maximus69:


Yes nah!

That's why the scriptures specifically said "when it says all authority was given to Jesus (Michael) the one who gave him such authority (Jehovah) was excluded from amongst those placed under Jesus" 1Corinthians 15:27

Please calm down my guy, you don't need to cancel what other people say nah.

After all you're trying to make a point just as everyone else is doing, so try to control your temper!

Oya no vex....so what u saying in essence is that it's because of the authority God gave to micheal that's y he is glorified and praised in the same breadth as his Father abi?

freshboi88:


Oya no vex....so what u saying in essence is that it's because of the authority God gave to micheal that's y he is glorified and praised in the same breadth as his Father abi?

NO!

To understand most things in the Bible book of Revelations, you need to know how the kings in those days do exercise their authority.

For instance, Pharaoh made Joseph the ruler of all Egypt but that doesn't mean the Egyptians don't know their king, it's just that the king gave all authority to the Hebrew Joseph!
So despite the fact that all authority was given to Jesus both heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} all the angels in heaven knows the different between the one given authority to rule for 1,000 years and the one who gave such authority!

The WORSHIP connotes OBEDIENCE to him throughout that 1,000 years.

So he is not sharing the same position with the father in anyway. He knows his boundaries! 1Corinthians 15:27

freshboi88:


This man sef...I know u r learned

Now c....it is not the same


“To him who sits on the throne [b]and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”[/b]

They specifically used to word 'And'. Where they also honour Jehovah too?

Mind u the cases u said was on earth. This one is in heaven.... Jesus is worshipped in the same breadth as the Father.

Matthew 28:18-20
"Then Jesus came to them and said , “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me"

Bros, Please explain what Jesus is saying here...

1 Cor15:24-28, what's your understanding of this Scripture?

In the mouth of two witnesses a case is established, is it not?

freshboi88:


Show me where in scripture where it says, Thomas said in amazement My Lord and My God!.


Rev 17:14 New Living Translation
Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Was he called Lord of lords and King of kings in amazement too?

Read and study your Bible with understanding.
Rev 17:14 = Matthew 28:18.
Matt28:18, Na Jesus Christ talk am. Do you believe him?
If you don't have that insight that Rev17:14 amplify Matthew 28:18, I sorry for you ooo.

John 20:28 is there exclamation mark (!) there?
Bros,tell yourself the truth....

◄ John 20:28 ►

New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

New Living Translation
“My Lord and my God!” Thomas EXCLAIMED.

English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Berean Study Bible
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

Berean Literal Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

New American Standard Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

New King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Contemporary English Version
Thomas replied, "You are my Lord and my God!"

Good News Translation
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

International Standard Version
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

NET Bible
Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!

Maximus69:


NO!

To understand most things in the Bible book of Revelations, you need to know how the kings in those days do exercise their authority.

For instance, Pharaoh made Joseph the ruler of all Egypt but that doesn't mean the Egyptians don't know their king, it's just that the king gave all authority to the Hebrew Joseph!
So despite the fact that all authority was given to Jesus both heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} all the angels in heaven knows the different between the one given authority to rule for 1,000 years and the one who gave such authority!

The WORSHIP connotes OBEDIENCE to him throughout that 1,000 years.

So he is not sharing the same position with the father in anyway. He knows his boundaries! 1Corinthians 15:27

So in essence he was made God for one thousand years?

freshboi88:


Why is Jesus worshipped in heaven

New Living Translation
Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Why is he called the Lord of lords and the King of kings.

When u realize that he is the Lord of lords and King of kings then all these human analogies would make no sense to u

Why is he called King of kings n Lord of lords

Matthew 28:18
Jesus said to them:
"All authority have been given to me in heaven and on the earth"
Na Jesus Christ talk am, do you believe his statement?

Who gave Jesus Christ the authority everywhere?

Rev 17:14 = Matthew 28:18. That's how to study the Bible with understanding.

I have answered your question.

Please answer the 6 Bible based questions.
I know you have spiritual knowledge of heavenly things in the Bible.

Don't DODGE , Please.

Janosky' have 6 questions to ask you:

Let's see how honest you are and test your integrity .....

Bros, Please answer questions 1 to 6.

1)
Isaac is One and only ,begotten son.
How is Isaac the one and only begotten son ?

2)
Don't you think Isaac's begotten son status meant something , the same as Jesus one and only begotten status ?

3)
Now we go know whether you really love Jesus.
Whose God and whose Father is Jesus Christ ascending to?

4)
When he was on earth,who did Jesus Christ instruct you to worship?

5)
Rev1:1, in heaven, God gave Jesus the Revelation , who did God's Revelation to Jesus says you should worship?

6)
1 Cor8:5, who are the Lords and Theos in heaven and earth?

Before you attack me or my post,please answer the 6 questions... grin

Oshe gaan.

Perfectbeing:


Who rested?

Oga mi , Perfectbeing, you have not responded to the questions I have asked..
But you demand a response to your question.
Please ,answer mine (first come first served ) we can move forward.

Shalom.

Janosky:


Matthew 28:18-20
"Then Jesus came to them and said , “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me"

Bros, Please explain what Jesus is saying here...

1 Cor15:24-28, what's your understanding of this Scripture?

In the mouth of two witnesses a case is established, is it not?

Keep quoting scripture without understanding. Let me enlighten u small.

Do u employ an individual to an office if he doesn't have the sufficient power and wisdom to discharge the duties of that office?

He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

Now to govern all things in heaven and earth belongs only to him who is the Lord and Maker of them, and therefore is known by this title "Lord", both in Scripture and by the heathen

is it not evident that if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise that authority

freshboi88:


Keep quoting scripture without understanding. Let me enlighten u small.

Do u employ an individual to an office if he doesn't have the sufficient power and wisdom to discharge the duties of that office?

He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

Now to govern all things in heaven and earth belongs only to him who is the Lord and Maker of them, and therefore is known by this title "Lord", both in Scripture and by the heathen

is it not evident that if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise that authority

Bros , Jesus Christ is speaking to you here (John 17:11,22. John 5:26. Matthew 28:18. Rev3:12. John 7:16).

Bros, what does Jesus Christ possess that he did not receive from his Father ?

Janosky:

Bros , Jesus Christ is speaking to you here (John 17:11,22. John 5:26. Matthew 28:18. John 7:16).

Bros, what does Jesus Christ possess that he did not receive from his Father ?

Like same equal in essence, form and nature. Different in authority.

To receive, power, and all tht he received
, If he his not divine, he cannot receive those things.....


He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

freshboi88:


Like same equal in essence, form and nature. Different in authority.

To receive, power, and all tht he received
, If he his not divine, he cannot receive those things.....


He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

What do we possess that we did not receive?

Ephesians 1:3. Matt 11:25-26, ALL Praises to the Lord of Heaven and earth, Jehovah, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , who gave His son Life, power, authority and divine attributes to to serve in the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm.

Shalom.

Janosky:

What do we possess that we did not receive?

Ephesians 1:3. Matt 11:25-26, ALL Praises to the Lord of Heaven and earth, Jehovah, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , who gave His son Life, power, authority and divine attributes to to serve in the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm.

Shalom.

Why did God not make u divine, are u not his son too?


So inessence God gave Jesus divine attribute then you are saying God made Jesus God?

freshboi88:


So in essence he was made God ~King and Lord for one thousand years?

That's the import of a tenure (1,000 years) Jesus (Michael) will rule over all those in heaven and earth throughout his tenure.
Note that he is to bring everyone under the sovereignty of his God and Father, before handing over all authority back to his father, so after everything we will never forget all the things Jesus did to redeem us (Adam's descendants) bact to God.
Hence all the things he taught us will continue to be our guide to worship God acceptably, that's why Daniel's prophecy foretold that the Christ will reign forever! Daniel 2:44 compare to Isaiah 9:6-7

So the title God was conferred on him alongside others

©Son of man Lived on earth as a human born by one of Adam's descendants (Mary).


©Wonderful Counselor Preached and taught people how to live a holy life.

©Might God Performing wonders that humans never experienced and can never experienced again in our midst.

©Everlasting Father He bought us (Adam's obedient descendants) with his own blood and we're now his descendants forever since he is the one who taught us how to worship God, this is what Adam supposed to do as God's son {Luke 3:38} but failed.


©Prince of Peace He organized us to sue for peace amongst ourselves, so that all true worshipers of God will be at peace with one another no matter where we come from.

freshboi88:


Keep quoting scripture without understanding. Let me enlighten u small.

Do u employ an individual to an office if he doesn't have the sufficient power and wisdom to discharge the duties of that office?

He to whom any office is duly committed, must have sufficient power and wisdom to discharge that office.

Now to govern all things in heaven and earth belongs only to him who is the Lord and Maker of them, and therefore is known by this title "Lord", both in Scripture and by the heathen

is it not evident that if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise that authority

He is Michael the archangel!
Archangel (most powerful angel) means he already has the power to control other heavenly beings! Revelations 12:7-9
That's why no other angel is called by that title!

Janosky:

Oga mi , Perfectbeing, you have not responded to the questions I have asked.. But you demand a response to your question. Please ,answer mine (first come first served ) we can move forward.
Shalom.

In my first post, I asked the question "who rested?"

Maximus69:


He is Michael the archangel!
Archangel (most powerful angel) means he already has the power to control other heavenly beings! Revelations 12:7-9
That's why no other angel is called by that title!

How come none of the writers of the gospel and the epistles revealed the Jesus was Angel Michael? You don't give meaning to what the bible says you draw out meaning from it. The Bible can never mean what it never means

Perfectbeing:


How come none of the writers of the gospel and the epistles revealed the Jesus was Angel Michael? You don't give meaning to what the bible says you draw out meaning from it. The Bible can never mean what it never means

You can draw out your own conclusion (meaning) Sir!

What matters most is that the Bible reveals that there is one God (the Almighty) {Exodus 6:2-3; Deuteronomy 6:4} but there are also many other persons referred to as God. Exodus 7:1; Psalms 82:1,6; John 1:1
There are many mighty spirit sons of god (angels) {Genesis 6:1;Job 1:6} and there is one archangel. Jude 9
The Archangel was said to have waged war against another mighty angel and each said to do so with his angels. Revelations 12:7-9

Only two angels were mentioned by name in the Bible "Michael and Gabriel" Michael was said to have been the Prince amongst the other angels fighting in behalf of God's people {Daniel 12:1} and this same Michael suddenly wasn't mentioned throughout all the time Jesus came and returned to heaven, the only name mentioned in connection to Jesus' story was Gabriel. Luke 1:19,26

Well even if i want to doubt what the Watchtower taught regarding the identity of Jesus as Michael, the achievement of this organization as the one and only group having and promoting PEACE in the midst of all their followers globally has beaten all my doubt that they're the co-workers and followers of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 2:2-4;9:6 compare to Matthew 7:15-20 and James 2:18-26

Thanks!

Perfectbeing:
In my first post, I asked the question "who rested?"

There God rested from his creative works but according to Jesus (God's only begotten son) his father has continued working! John 5:17

The import of that verse Genesis 2:2 is telling us that God completed the creative works!
Thanks

Jozzy4:
You now realize how stupid you sound. So next time a writer is not an author, unless he himself is the source of what he wrote.

You have been educated now right ?

The @underlined is real funny and just shows how a liar like you will never repent.

You quoted Wikipedia when you're to define "who is Author?" but when you want to define "Who is a writer?" your source of information suddenly change. Why? because you know Wikipedia will expose your lie, that's why you can say the @underlined.

There is only one source for creation, The Father. 1Cor 8:6

The beautiful thing is it also says THE FATHER, FROM WHOM ALL THINGS ( Jesus included ) CAME .

And your empty brain couldn't phantom also that the same "ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass THROUGH Jesus which means Jesus is the one who created Himself.

You are not really wise .

Coming from the chief of most ignorant.

One single question will dismantle all the rants above . point for me : On which day of Creation were the waters FORMED ?


Because at Job 38:8 it says the Angels witness when the waters were birth .


You are not wise I dey tell you

After I pointed out that Job 38 talked about SEAS you can still openly lied that Job 38 says the Angels witness when the WATERS were birth.

Gen 1 used WATERS it was during the six creative days that the word SEAS first used.

See how you exposed your ignorance and lying attitude again.

As it stands, Gen 1 it's only THE BEGINNING that happened first!

Again JWs are wrong and liar! Just as their father the devil

Maximus69:


He is Michael the archangel!
Archangel (most powerful angel) means he already has the power to control other heavenly beings! Revelations 12:7-9
That's why no other angel is called by that title!

Hahahaha .. Lair


There is a gargantuan problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:


But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, " The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).


Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).


Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.

for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).


In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).

Maximus69:

That's the import of a tenure (1,000 years) Jesus (Michael) will rule over all those in heaven and earth throughout his tenure.
Note that he is to bring everyone under the sovereignty of his God and Father, before handing over all authority back to his father, so after everything we will never forget all the things Jesus did to redeem us (Adam's descendants) bact to God.
Hence all the things he taught us will continue to be our guide to worship God acceptably, that's why Daniel's prophecy foretold that the Christ will reign forever! Daniel 2:44 compare to Isaiah 9:6-7

So the title God was conferred on him alongside others

©Son of man Lived on earth as a human born by one of Adam's descendants (Mary).


©Wonderful Counselor Preached and taught people how to live a holy life.

©Might God Performing wonders that humans never experienced and can never experienced again in our midst.

©Everlasting Father He bought us (Adam's obedient descendants) with his own blood and we're now his descendants forever since he is the one who taught us how to worship God, this is what Adam supposed to do as God's son {Luke 3:38} but failed.


©Prince of Peace He organized us to sue for peace amongst ourselves, so that all true worshipers of God will be at peace with one another no matter where we come from.

I have opened Ur eyes already in my response.

The brain washing they gave you ehn e strong o.

Barristter07:
Jozzy4 already did justice to the above

It's justice to you because both of you lack sense!

First , you probably forget that what is inside the sea is actually the same Mayim

Genesis 1:21,22

" And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and Swarm IN THE WATERS ... Be fruitful and become many and FILL THE WATERS OF THE SEA "

Liar.....
After I show you GREEK STRONG...

The usage of the SEAS differentiated it from WATERS which God split....That's why in Job 38 the description is sort of VIOLENT action which is the meaning of the SEAS according to STEONG!

The question is, why didn't Gen 1:2 use SEAS?

It's evident that, at the six creative days it was when a violent gathering of WATERS occurred which God called SEAS.

What you called Sea is actually the same Mayim that existed before creative days ... Nowhere in the creative days were thus waters formed . but at Job 38:8 it says the Sea ( waters filling it ) once burst from from womb ( Womb birth , born , came into existence ) . this precedes Creative days.

You're a perpetual liar....

Even when I post the meaning of both MAYIM and AYAM from STRONG you can still spew this thrash.

You can see how ignorant you are now
Look at this your own statement "but at Job 38:8 it says the Sea ( waters filling it ) once burst from from womb ( Womb birth , born , came into existence )

You intentionally inserted WOMB birth, BORN, came into existence when the reference to womb was to demonstrate THE VIOLENT FORCE of the gathering of the SEAS.

Job 38:6 mention again " earth Cornerstone " . This was not part of the details of Creative days . Creative days never mention how God built the structure of the earth. But this expression at Job 38 refer to its construction

Stop lying.....
If cornerstone wasn't part of creative days, why did God command DRY LAND to appear?

Does CORNERSTONE not the one holding DRY LAND in place?

Ole...

Once again, Gen 1 it's only the beginning no other beginning!

IGNORING PART:
You haven't explained the rational of a CREATED BEING EXISTS ETERNITY because you're busy ignoring that part.

Explain how a CREATED BEINGS (Jesus and the angels) join the Father in ETERNITY because only ETERNAL BEING can exist in ETERNITY.

Do you want to tell us that both Jesus and the Angels are also ETERNAL?

Emusan:


The @underlined is real funny and just shows how a liar like you will never repent.

You quoted Wikipedia when you're to define "who is Author?" but when you want to define "Who is a writer?" your source of information suddenly change. Why? because you know Wikipedia will expose your lie, that's why you can say the @underlined.

You still refuse to learn .
From Wikipedia


" The term writer is often used as a synonym of author, although the latter term has a somewhat broader meaning and is used to convey legal responsibility for a piece of writing , even if its composition is anonymous, unknown or collaborative. "

Author has broader meaning , an author is the owner of the piece of writing. When will you have sense ?

And your empty brain couldn't phantom also that the same "ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass THROUGH Jesus which means Jesus is the one who created Himself.

Then It means not all things came from the Father if Jesus is excluded. But we know you are the Liar here and that's why Jesus is a son. Father preceded the son.

Coming from the chief of most ignorant.



After I pointed out that Job 38 talked about SEAS you can still openly lied that Job 38 says the Angels witness when the WATERS were birth.

Gen 1 used WATERS it was during the six creative days that the word SEAS first used.

See how you exposed your ignorance and lying attitude again.

As it stands, Gen 1 it's only THE BEGINNING that happened first!

Again JWs are wrong and liar! Just as their father the devil

The waters are gathered together NOT BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE in Genesis 1.

Job 38 says they were there when it burst from WOMB , brought to existence.

Sense !

Emusan:


It's justice to you because both of you lack sense!

All things came from the Father does not exclude Jesus . .

Liar.....
After I show you GREEK STRONG...

The usage of the SEAS differentiated it from WATERS which God split....That's why in Job 38 the description is sort of VIOLENT action which is the meaning of the SEAS according to STEONG!

The question is, why didn't Gen 1:2 use SEAS?

It's evident that, at the six creative days it was when a violent gathering of WATERS occurred which God called SEAS.



You're a perpetual liar....

Even when I post the meaning of both MAYIM and AYAM from STRONG you can still spew this thrash.

You can see how ignorant you are now
Look at this your own statement "but at Job 38:8 it says the Sea ( waters filling it ) once burst from from womb ( Womb birth , born , came into existence )

You intentionally inserted WOMB birth, BORN, came into existence when the reference to womb was to demonstrate THE VIOLENT FORCE of the gathering of the SEAS.




Stop lying.....
If cornerstone wasn't part of creative days, why did God command DRY LAND to appear?

Does CORNERSTONE not the one holding DRY LAND in place?

Ole...

Once again, Gen 1 it's only the beginning no other beginning!

Check the usage of the word Womb I'm the entire bible it refer to Been born, Coming into existence . Genesis 1 does nor mention the waters been born , it only says they are gathered .

IGNORING PART:
You haven't explained the rational of a CREATED BEING EXISTS ETERNITY because you're busy ignoring that part.

Explain how a CREATED BEINGS (Jesus and the angels) join the Father in ETERNITY because only ETERNAL BEING can exist in ETERNITY.

Do you want to tell us that both Jesus and the Angels are also ETERNAL?

Good u came back to this.
Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

freshboi88:


Why did God not make u divine, are u not his son too?


So inessence God gave Jesus divine attribute then you are saying God made Jesus God?

God gave his sons divine nature , Do you think only Jesus is divine . human sons of God are divine too . Grow up

More proof that Jesus is a son like every other sons. Son shows he was created.

freshboi88:


This man sef...I know u r learned

Now c....it is not the same


“To him who sits on the throne [b]and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”[/b]

They specifically used to word 'And'. Where they also honour Jehovah too?

Mind u the cases u said was on earth. This one is in heaven.... Jesus is worshipped in the same breadth as the Father.

Isaac is an only begotten son, does that mean Isaac wasn't born like every other sons ?


The term " Son of God " is for created beings

Jozzy4:
You still refuse to learn .
From Wikipedia


" The term writer is often used as a synonym of author, although the latter term has a somewhat broader meaning and is used to convey legal responsibility for a piece of writing , even if its composition is anonymous, unknown or collaborative. "

Author has broader meaning , an author is the owner of the piece of writing. When will you have sense ?

Author has broader meaning but does it negate a writer being an Author as you claimed in your post?

Lying liar like your father the devil.

Then It means not all things came from the Father if Jesus is excluded. But we know you are the Liar here and that's why Jesus is a son. Father preceded the son.

Idiot address my point:

ALL THINGS (Jesus included) came from the Father....
The same ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass through Jesus!

Then it also means NOT ALL THINGS pass THROUGH Jesus Christ, if Jesus is excluded....and it means God is lying to us!

But what did the scripture says?

It says just as ALL THINGS CAME FROM THE FATHER, ALL THINGS ALSO are THROUGH JESUS!

Lying liar JWs.

The waters are gathered together NOT BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE in Genesis 1.

Which verse are you referring to before I know what to say?

Job 38 says they were there when it burst from WOMB , brought to existence.

Sense !

SEAS not Waters

Just as I explained to your deluded brother up, SEAS was used to show the violent gathering of the WATERS before DRY LAND (which includes cornerstone) appears.

The whole earth was covered with WATERS which is very calm and mild.

In fact, the plausible explanation is that, since Angels were not there when HEAVENS AND THE EARTH were created, they will be so surprised and astonished to have seen how a great body of WATERS rose up in violent way to pave way for DRY LAND TO APPEAR.

This witness alone will be such a thing of joy for the angels, had it been they witness the CREATION OF HEAVENS AND THE EARTH in Gen 1:1 There's nothing there for them to surprise because you will agree with me that creation of HEAVEN alone will surpass that of earth in thousand time.

You must died in your ignorance!

Jozzy4:
All things came from the Father does not exclude Jesus . .

And the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH JESUS does not exclude Jesus...FIXED!

Is it not the same ALL THINGS that came from the Father that also PASS THROUGH JESUS?

Check the usage of the word Womb I'm the entire bible it refer to Been born, Coming into existence . Genesis 1 does nor mention the waters been born , it only says they are gathered

Gen 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the earth

I've explained the usage of the womb in that verse.

From your own confused organization translation the cited scripture for Job 38:8 are Psalms 33:7 "He gathers the seawaters like a dam; (a) He puts the surging waters in storehouses." and Prov 8:29 "When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order, (a) When he established* the foundations of the earth,"

Look at the two bracket (a) it's a marginal reference guess where it referenced? Genesis 1:9

Yet you deluded people have been trying to shift the event of Job outside the SIX CREATIVE DAYS!

Good u came back to this.
Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

Answer my question first!

And I will answer your question.