Emusan:


Liar who claimed a writer can't be an Author when the source that himself quoted says otherwise.



Now you're getting more confused.

The same ALL THINGS were created THROUGH HIM and for HIM... that's Jesus!

There must be a competition between the The Father and Jesus since they're struggling who will win this ALL THINGS!



BUT ALL THINGS CREATED was also for HIM Jesus which which means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF

This is getting interesting!



Don't divert our attention to another thing.

If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM--That is Jesus! According to your logic it means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF.

That's the point!

because you're trying to include Jesus in ALL THINGS that came from the Father but EXCLUDED the same Jesus from the SAME ALL THINGS that passed through Him!

" and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God." 1Corinthians 3:23

Christ is included in the all things created for the Father .

But not the same for Jesus.

By means of Jesus his own property, ALL Things Came from the Father , through the Father ( he needed no Jesus to create Jesus , made him through himself) and FOR HIM . Even Christ

So the highlighted was your mistake. Learn again.

I've corrected your ignorance in my post above.

Job didn't use WATERS but seas

Lying liar...

What is in the seas ? Job mention the birth of this water in the sea itself. , something
not mentioned in Genesis creative days.

freshboi88:


Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.

Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.

John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?

The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).

The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.


But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.

Other passages in the Bible make this very clear. For example, John 1:1-3 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:15-17 also emphasizes Jesus creating all things.

The use of monogenes in John 3:16 is similar to what is seen in other passages of Scripture to refer to Jesus as unique. For example, John 1:14 shares, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:18 includes, "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." John 3:18 adds, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." First John 4:9 notes, "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."


I have given you supporting verses to backup for u to see that the bible cannot lie. If ur story is not consistent throughout scripture, then it is wrong.

Now I ask u, contradict this is scripture and stop going round in circles

You see the copy and paste you did didn't help you ... Does been one and only exclude Isaac from been born ?

You are a liar. The truth is getting clear. Son of God title is for created beings. Father precede son

Jozzy4:


You see the copy and paste you did didn't help you ... Does been one and only exclude Isaac from been born ?

You are a liar. The truth is getting clear. Son of God title is for created beings. Father precede son

NO Jozzy

TRINITY taught them the three are coeternal!

Emusan:


I've told you never you ask question when you didn't answer my question first!

What are the THINGS that passed through Jesus if you know?

ALL THINGS(Jesus included-acxording to you) THROUGH THE FATHER now the scripture says the SAME ALL THINGS passed through Jesus.

Isn't this an evidence that Jesus was the one who created Himself?

If only you have sense to comprehend . you will have realize that the word " Through the Father " showed what came through the Father was done by himself. He himself was the agent for that creation and that Creation belong to him

We should ask you this, you're the one who claimed!
1. Father created Jesus first
2. Then Jesus was used to create other things

But what did scripture say?

The Bible says, ALL THINGS (Jesus included-according to you) from Father passed through Jesus! Isn't this evident that Jesus passed through Himself?

Recheck
passed THROUGH the FATHER . the Father was the very agent for a certain creation

If Jesus was the agent needed for all, The Father being an agent would be a LIE.

For what creation was the Father an agent ? That's the bone of contention

And if what came through the Father was responsible for other creations , then it means all came from the Father , through him and for him. Through him because that person he made was the agent that brought other creations.

Waoooooo Mr delusion.

Waters FILL THE SEA again

Firstly, you lied and I've been trying to correct you but you're very stubborn to correction.

Job didn't mention WATERS but SEAS which is the reason I even went further to explain the meaning of the choice words used by both JOB and Genesis

Job fits into the six creative days because the USAGE of seas shows different from the body of WATERS GOD CREATED SEAS from in Gen 1:1

It was in Gen 1:10 that God called the gathering of the waters SEAS and according to STRONG the meaning of seas deals with violent which is what Job 38 alluded to because Job 38 says "BURST OUT" this is an act of force or violent.



Only children play hide and seek which is the evidence that you people are not intelligent.

You just confirmd my point

God called gathering of water sea . not that he birth the waters of the sea . in Genesis the water already existed. But Job 38 says God brought the water of the sea to existence. This is where you are wrong.

Who, The Bible or your deluded brother?



Just know that you haven't answered my question yet

You claim Father dwell in eternity before heaven and earth.

Show me where it says the Father dwell in eternity ?

Maximus69:

According to your doctrines, you're supposed to be your own god and i'm supposed to be my own god.

So what business have i got with you?

This is my point, you have no capacity or ability for independent thought..you just follow whatever you are told...we are all gods just having a human experience on Earth..we need everyone to be focused on moving humanity forward...I need you,you need me..we can not be dwelling on story book.they can't save us. .they are stories written by men like us to teach us..we are supposed to learn the messages in it..and move on..not worship the characters in it..
Imagine me worshipping super man because I read a comic..what will you call me?
But I understand that there is a hero in all of us...

sonmvayina:


This is my point, you have no capacity or ability for independent thought..you just follow whatever you are told...we are all gods just having a human experience on Earth..we need everyone to be focused on moving humanity forward...I need you,you need me..we can not be dwelling on story book.they can't save us. .they are stories written by men like us to teach us..we are supposed to learn the messages in it..and move on..not worship the characters in it..
Imagine me worshipping super man because I read a comic..what will you call me?
But I understand that there is a hero in all of us...

You have no business being on this thread.
Na wetin you find come here?
Leave us alone who believe in Jesus Christ and his Father Jehovah God.

You have no right to claim be making spurious claims here...

Janosky:


You have no business being on this thread.
Na wetin you find come here?
Leave us alone who believe in Jesus Christ and his Father Jehovah God.

You have no right to claim be making spurious claims here...

Me or you,who is making a claim....

Maximus69:


There you go again!

After seeing the practical application of the scriptures you still want to go back to the useless doctrines of the churches of Christendom that's not benefitting their followers!

There is a difference between the title
"Lord" and
"God"
Lord means someone you must obey as in do everything to please him, that's why Sarah could call Abraham "Lord"

On the other hand

God means a deity that is demanding for your loyalty. For instance Africa Gods do demand human sacrifice just like Molech in the Bible.

Sarah could challenge Abraham's decision because she willingly subjected to do his will as her "Lord", but she had no option if Abraham was her God!

In the same manner most people living on earth today don't give a damn about Jesus because only Jehovah's Witnesses are subjecting themselves willingly to him out of their freewill, otherwise there shouldn't be any living soul who won't obey Jesus as God!

See y I said u will end up mumuing urself

International Version
So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, "After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?


The writers and translators of the bible are not deluded and manipulators like u. Well except for Jehovah Witness Bible. They manipulated scripture to suit their lies.Thats y their translation is different

The word in that verse is lord not Lord as u shamelessly said.

Lord or LORD or God or GOD which is equal to Adonai or YHWH are titles ascribed to God.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Janosky:


You have no business being on this thread.
Na wetin you find come here?
Leave us alone who believe in Jesus Christ and his Father Jehovah God.

You have no right to claim be making spurious claims here...

The truth will first piss you off,before it will set you free ..

sonmvayina:


This is my point, you have no capacity or ability for independent thought..you just follow whatever you are told...we are all gods just having a human experience on Earth..we need everyone to be focused on moving humanity forward...I need you,you need me..we can not be dwelling on story book.they can't save us. .they are stories written by men like us to teach us..we are supposed to learn the messages in it..and move on..not worship the characters in it..
Imagine me worshipping super man because I read a comic..what will you call me?
But I understand that there is a hero in all of us...

So why must i agree with your own idea?

Jozzy4:


You see the copy and paste you did didn't help you ... Does been one and only exclude Isaac from been born ?

You are a liar. The truth is getting clear. Son of God title is for created beings. Father precede son

I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul

Jehovah Witnesses Una don see wetin pass Una today. Pepper go comot Una yansh today.

I need to debate with ur elders so that they can be sweating in their underwear cos I will finish their lies and expose dem

freshboi88:


I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul

I didn't read and I color some parts. .. You are dubious . your post admit the only begotten was applied to Isaac too, question is : Isaac is unique but does that mean Isaac wasn't born like other sons of Abraham ? Answer that sincerely

freshboi88:


See y I said u will end up mumuing urself

International Version
So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, "After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?


The writers and translators of the bible are not deluded and manipulators like u. Well except for Jehovah Witness Bible. They manipulated scripture to suit their lies.Thats y their translation is different

The word in that verse is lord not Lord as u shamelessly said.

Lord or LORD or God or GOD which is equal to Adonai or YHWH are titles ascribed to God.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Please teach me how Sarah pronounce the title LORD / Lord/ lord, so that the inspired writers could distinguish through the way people of ancient times pronounces the title differently?

Jozzy4:


I didn't read and I color some parts. .. You are dubious . your post admit the only begotten was applied to Isaac too, question is : Isaac is unique but does that mean Isaac wasn't born like other sons of Abraham ? Answer that sincerely

Of course Isaac was born, so is Isaac the only begotten son of God?

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses Una don see wetin pass Una today. Pepper go comot Una yansh today.

I need to debate with ur elders so that they can be sweating in their underwear cos I will finish their lies and expose dem

Pepper go comot for our yansh because you and your cohorts have agreed on doctrines shey?

My friend, before you can defeat a military force you need to build a bigger military that's solidly united in faith.

Not when some of your fighters are heading south, some east, some north yet other are still not prepared for the battle!
For your information Sir you people are scattered as in disorganized in your beliefs! Luke 11:23

Maximus69:


Please teach me how Sarah pronounce the title LORD / Lord/ lord, so that the inspired writers could distinguish through the way people of ancient times pronounces the title differently?

U n I were not there when Sarah was proñouncing it. But through the inspiration and Guidance of the Holy Spirit, translator understood the context in which she called Abraham lord and appropriately differentiated it from Lord=God

Look at your dictionary sef...Mayb if no believe bible u go believe dictionary

Lord: A name for God or Christ


U suppose pay me o. c as I dey school u. From bible to dictionary

freshboi88:


Of course Isaac was born, so is Isaac the only begotten son of God?

Isaac was born just like other sons of Abraham. Been called only begotten doesn't change this.

Good , likewise Jesus was created too like other sons of God.

The title" son of God " is only applied to someone that God created. E.g Adam

freshboi88:


U n I were not there when Sarah was proñouncing it. But through the inspiration and Guidance of the Holy Spirit, translator understood the context in which she called Abraham lord and appropriately differentiated it from Lord=God

Look at your dictionary sef...Mayb if no believe bible u go believe dictionary

Lord: A name for God or Christ

So there is no way to distinguish the pronunciation of FRESHBOI and freshboi shey?

Case closed Sir!

Maximus69:


Pepper go comot for our yansh because you and your cohorts have agreed on doctrines shey?

My friend, before you can defeat a military force you need to build a bigger military that's solidly united in faith.

Not when some of your fighters are heading south, some east, some north yet other are still not prepared for the battle!
For your information Sir you people are scattered as in disorganized in your beliefs! Luke 11:23

Must I school you in everything. You this guy..u be like robot nah as dem talk am for kingdom hall u go just dey swallow.

Even Peter and Paul disagreed on certain things

11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Doctrine is causing division ryt from the apostle.so Ur theory of unity among Jwit is equal to balderdash

Jozzy4:

Isaac was born just like other sons of Abraham. Been called only begotten doesn't change this.

Good , likewise Jesus was created too like other sons of God.

The title" son of God " is only applied to someone that God created. E.g Adam

Clap for yourself...u don make sense abi?... Shame don leave u dey catch me for u.

First thing first, is God human?...is it wise to apply the analogy of humans to God?

Secondly does this Ur quack theory confirm to other verses of scripture?... No!.

If it does, how does it apply here?

16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things [/b]have been created through him and for him. 17He is [b]before all things, and in him all things hold together

Respond to how a created been applied to the bolded in the verse

Maximus69:


So there is no way to distinguish the pronunciation of FRESHBOI and freshboi shey?

Case closed Sir!

Why don't u pronounce it for us let's differentiate.Shey i told u, u will mumu urself today

freshboi88:


Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.

Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.

John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?

The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).

The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.


But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.

You are still dodging 6 Bible based questions i asked you..
If I come your Church to ask you that question, you go talk say I no get "spiritual wisdom of heavenly things", you see how dishonest and dodgy you are !

Col 1:15 Jesus Christ "the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE."
You done komot am from your Bible?
Is every Creature a CREATED being ?
Capital YES !

Therefore, Jesus is a Creature, the Creation of God Almighty. Immutable Truth.
No dey LIE and deceive yourself.


Let's test Freshboi88 integrity and honesty once more..
The question is:

Does monogenes exist Without a Father & child relationship ?

freshboi88:


Clap for yourself...u don make sense abi?... Shame don leave u dey catch me for u.

First thing first, is God human?...is it wise to apply the analogy of humans to God?

Secondly does this Ur quack theory confirm to other verses of scripture?... No!.

If it does, how does it apply here?

16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things [/b]have been created through him and for him. 17He is [b]before all things, and in him all things hold together

Respond to how a created been applied to the bolded in the verse

Okay, at highlighted what does it mean to be a Son of God ?

Revelation 2:18 Jesus called " Son of God "

freshboi88:



Must I school you in everything. You this guy..u be like robot nah as dem talk am for kingdom hall u go just dey swallow.

Even Peter and Paul disagreed on certain things

11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Doctrine is causing division ryt from the apostle.so Ur theory of unity among Jwit is equal to balderdash

So because Peter committed a blunder just as he used to even during the time his master was around {Matthew 14:23-31;26:34,75} that means Paul can't correct him shey?

Well for your information Sir, Peter and Paul never had different doctrines, Peter only make a mistake and Paul openly rebuked him.

Later Peter (who have high regards for Paul) told the early Christians to continue adhering to the teachings of Paul because they all had the same line of thought! 2Peter 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10 Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Unlike your own confused religions that are totally different in standards, morals and doctrines! 1Corinthians 14:33

freshboi88:


Why don't u pronounce it for us let's differentiate.Shey i told u, u will mumu urself today

My guy, there is no difference in the pronunciation of the same title, there is no difference between the pronunciation of President and PRESIDENT!

That's why NWT accurately translated the word of God to the understanding of over 8.7 million individuals from different races and tongues so that they can come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!

Psalms 23:1 says "JEHOVAH is my SHEPHERD"
Your preferred translation KJV says
The LORD is my SHEPHERD

Your mumulity was not revealed until Psalms 110:1 says
JEHOVAH said to my Lord

Your preferred translation said
The LORD said to my Lord

So David actually said that shey?

Maximus69:


So because Peter committed a blunder just as he used to even during the time his master was around {Matthew 14:23-31;26:34,75} that means Paul can't correct him shey?

Well for your information Sir, Peter and Paul never had different doctrines, Peter only make a mistake and Paul openly rebuked him.

Later Peter (who have high regards for Paul) told the early Christians to continue adhering to the teachings of Paul because they all had the same line of thought! 2Peter 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10 Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Unlike your own confused religions that are totally different in standards, morals and doctrines! 1Corinthians 14:33

How are we different in standards and morals?

freshboi88:


How are we different in standards and morals?

Haba my guy no fall my hand nah!

I thought you're more than this!

You promised to disgrace Jehovah's Witnesses now you want to disgrace yourself quickly like that?

No i no go free leave you kíákíá like that!

But if you still want to go ahead to see the differenceS in standards and morals in your midst, please ask each of your supporters to mention the name of either their Yahoo plus big boy (Pastor) or business center (Church)

No be me go talk am, nah other followers go bigin talk how unah take different like rice, beans and corn.

"Isu ata yánan yànan"

"Yam pepper scatter scatter"

Maximus69:


My guy, there is no difference in the pronunciation of the same title, there is no difference between the pronunciation of President and PRESIDENT!

That's why NWT accurately translated the word of God to the understanding of over 8.7 million individuals from different races and tongues so that they can come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!

Psalms 23:1 says "JEHOVAH is my SHEPHERD"
Your preferred translation KJV says
The LORD is my SHEPHERD

Your mumulity was not revealed until Psalms 110:1 says
JEHOVAH said to my Lord

Your preferred translation said
The LORD said to my Lord

So David actually said that shey?

The LORD said unto thy Lord. -- Jehovah said unto my Adonai: David in spirit heard the solemn voice of Jehovah speaking to the Messiah from of old.

The Father to The Son.......so how does this help Ur the son is created case?.... can't c it?

freshboi88:


The LORD said unto thy Lord. -- Jehovah said unto my Adonai: David in spirit heard the solemn voice of Jehovah speaking to the Messiah from of old.

The Father to The Son.......so how does this help Ur the son is created case?.... can't c it?

No o, I no go gree!

Why you wan com put Jehovah there nah?

Abeg talk am as your preferred KJV put am make we see how person wey dey listen go fit understand wetin you dey read!

Later come talk as the person wey you talk sey him be Jehovah com be the same Adonai wey hin dey follow yan!

Maximus69:


No o, I no go gree!

Why you wan com put Jehovah there nah?

Abeg talk am as your preferred KJV put am make we see how person wey dey listen go fit understand wetin you dey read!

Later come talk as the person wey you talk sey him be Jehovah com be the same Adonai wey hin dey follow yan!

It's like you're not getting it Maximus!

freshboi88 is saying the Father and son could still be the same person, so Jehovah and the Adonai could be the same person talking to himself!

TATIME:


It's like you're not getting it Maximus!

freshboi88 is saying the Father and son could still be the same person, so Jehovah and the Adonai could be the same person talking to himself!

Perfectly well bro.

Let him and his cohorts come out and start mentioning the names of their Pastors or Church if everyone on this forum will not see the differences in their standards and morals.

After all they've been arguing against Jehovah's Witnesses since, now is the time to expose their hypocrisy perhaps they are all having the same line of thought regarding Jesus!