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freshboi88:
This is not a matter of contradiction, it's a matters of synonyms. Let's use the dictionary.

If you look at the attached photo, ull clearly see that source and origin are synonyms of beginning.

Are you going to deny that source and origin are not synonyms of beginning?

In all I have clarified my interpretation of Rev 3:14. Up till now for days you have not been able to clarify the error in your teaching

If everything was created through Jesus,then how was Jesus created.....I am still waiting for your answer

Maximus69:
So why must i agree with your own idea?

freshboi88:
I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul

sonmvayina:
Because that is what the Bible teaches...you should know when someone is lying to you and deceiving you.that is why we have brains...not follow because the story is sweet..

Psalm 104:29-31 says " send forth YOUR spirit and they are created and replenish the face of the Earth,you take it and they die and return back to Earth.....it is God's spirit that is dwelling within us..we only need to follow laws to make this experience worthwhile..when we die our spirit returns to God who gave it,it is pure,it does not need saving from anything...
When the old testament speak of salvation,it is always from physical danger...if we miss the mark by sinning,God says confess and forsake I will forgive you..2nd Chronicles 7:14. No human sarcrifice is either necessary or important..

So that is why I keep saying Jesus was created as a distraction..to make people rebels against God almighty by disobeying his commandment especially 1 and 2.

Perfectbeing:
In my first post, I asked the question "who rested?"

Maximus69:
You said i should know when someone is lying, shey?

Well i'm suspecting you escaped from Yaba left!

Janosky:
When the scale fell from the eyes of Paul (formerly Saul), after his encounter with Jesus, this is the gospel he preached:
Acts 9:20 , (Freshboi88 please quote Acts9:20 & 1 Cor 11:3. 1Cor 3:23 here).

Bros,be honest to yourself:
Freshboi88 ,on this thread are your posts in agreement with the sermons of Paul?

Janosky:
Mark13:19 &Rev3:14 uses the same expression:
"...The BEGINNING of the creation....."

Freshboi88, go ahead and put "Source/Originator " in Mark13:19..
Without bias, Mark 13:19 EXPOSES the FRAUD perpetuated by Trinitarians in Rev 3:14.

Since their conscience no let Trinitarians put "SOURCE / Originator" in Mark 13:19, why put it Rev3:14 ?


The Only Reason: FRAUD, to twist and hide the truth.

Maximus69:
No o, I no go gree!

Why you wan com put Jehovah there nah?

Abeg talk am as your preferred KJV put am make we see how person wey dey listen go fit understand wetin you dey read!

Later come talk as the person wey you talk sey him be Jehovah com be the same Adonai wey hin dey follow yan!

Maximus69:
Haba my guy no fall my hand nah!

I thought you're more than this!

You promised to disgrace Jehovah's Witnesses now you want to disgrace yourself quickly like that?

No i no go free leave you kíákíá like that!

But if you still want to go ahead to see the differenceS in standards and morals in your midst, please ask each of your supporters to mention the name of either their Yahoo plus big boy (Pastor) or business center (Church)

No be me go talk am, nah other followers go bigin talk how unah take different like rice, beans and corn.

"Isu ata yánan yànan"

"Yam pepper scatter scatter"

freshboi88:
Yahweh is Yahweh. The Father. Jesus is his Word
The Son, the only Begotten.

freshboi88:
U just spent so much time typing gibberish. Where are the differences in morals and standard, u have failed to highlight them

Maximus69:
@freshboi88

I'm waiting o!

(Jehovah's Witnesses did Jesus create Jesus?)

Is the title of your thread, so let each commentator introduce his Church and let's see if there is agreement on morals and standards within you people arguing since.

Jehovah's Witnesses are in agreement throughout the globe and everyone can see it! Matthew 5:14-16; John 17:20-23

Maximus69:
My guy come on swallow that pride in you and repent now instead of being pigheaded towards destruction!

I said mention the name of your Church and/or Pastor so that everyone can see where you've been worshiping before the outbreak of Covid19.

After all it wasn't difficult for you to open a thread and attach the name of a group that everyone knows to your thread, since most people know our beliefs.

So tell us the name of your church and let others to do the same, let's see if you people don't differ in morals and standards!

Abi you're ashamed of your Church?

Maximus69:
@freshboi88

I'm waiting o!

(Jehovah's Witnesses did Jesus create Jesus?)

Is the title of your thread, so let each commentator introduce his Church and let's see if there is agreement on morals and standards within you people arguing since.

Jehovah's Witnesses are in agreement throughout the globe and everyone can see it! Matthew 5:14-16; John 17:20-23

Maximus69:
My guy come on swallow that pride in you and repent now instead of being pigheaded towards destruction!

I said mention the name of your Church and/or Pastor so that everyone can see where you've been worshiping before the outbreak of Covid19.

After all it wasn't difficult for you to open a thread and attach the name of a group that everyone knows to your thread, since most people know our beliefs.

So tell us the name of your church and let others to do the same, let's see if you people don't differ in morals and standards!

Abi you're ashamed of your Church?

freshboi88:
Sorry to say u dnt have sense o. What concerns this verse u quoted with Christ. Religion has overshadowed ur brain

freshboi88:
Now that u have been defeated scripturally, u have entered church.ur plan has failed here also.

In this era of Coronavirus, how has Jehovah Witness been able to show love?....wht have u done for the people, or wait, the rest of us are all sinners so we are on our own. I won't be surprised if Ur church teaches that.

Don't be surprised Muslims would enter the Kingdom before u pple.

Y dnt u go perching from house to house ryt now, Una dey fear coronavirus?

U guys are clowns abeg

freshboi88:
Nobody is mentioning my church to u. Was it Jehovah Witness that is responsible for spreading the Gospel of Christ to Africa, Asia and America ?

Janosky:
The Almighty God Jehovah ,(the Owner of the Construction Project) rested.
HE created Jesus Christ, Man and angels in his own image.

Perfectbeing:
But that is already contradicting John 1:2 which says "all things were made by him (the word) and without him was not anything made that was made.
This verse clearly shows that the Word was the God of Genesis 1. It was the Word that said "let there be light" It was the word the created man... angels and the whole universe It was the word that rested..

Janosky:
Revelation 3:5,11-12,14. KJV
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Mark 13:19 King James Bible
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be

Both bolded expressions in Mark 13:19 & Rev3:14 have the same meaning and saying the same thing. God created Jesus Christ "the BEGINNING of the creation of God" (which God made)".

The BEGINNING doesn't mean "SOURCE or Originator.

Perfectbeing:
But that is already contradicting John 1:2 which says "all things were made by him (the word) and without him was not anything made that was made.
This verse clearly shows that the Word was the God of Genesis 1. It was the Word that said "let there be light" It was the word the created man... angels and the whole universe It was the word that rested..

Maximus69:
Case closed. Only Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians!

Jesus said "a city located on the mountain can not be hidden" Matthew 5:14

You have testified to that statement today!

It's a known fact that Churchgoers do argue, abuse, insult even curse one another on Nairaland, evidence that you guys are not followers of the same teacher!

But out of all the religions you know in your life, you are able to single out one even mentioning the name of the group and questioning their belief when your own is hidden!

So you're ashamed of your group and despite the fact that God's word clearly said only believers in Jesus will be saved, you are stubbornly refuting God's word by saying Muslims (those who don't even agree that Jesus is God's son, talkless ready to learn from him) will enter heaven!

Jehovah's Witnesses, may God continue to bless you people for bringing the truth to my home!

freshboi88:
So u can call urselfs Christians. Do what has Ur sect done to help people this difficult period. Let me guess, preach to them?...

Maximus69:
First mention the name of your Church, then we can both start discussing on what my church and your church is doing.

If you can't mention the name of your church then you're not worthy of speaking against another Church, you can only speak against someone's work if you've done better. But in the case where your own works is hidden, you're not qualified to say anything against other people's works!

freshboi88:
I am a redeemer. So what has Ur church done?

Janosky:
NO !
John 1:2, "the Word was with God" , two persons.
Recall my first response to you about
The Construction Project Owner and his Son.
John 1:3 says "the World (universe) was made THROUGH the Word.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says the Word is God's Spokesman,His Son. His Father made the universe THROUGH His Son".


The same expression in Mark 13:19 and Rev 3:14
is incontrovertible evidence that Jesus is God's creature, in fact his own Father's creation.

Maximus69:
Mike Okonkwo's TREM

Or

Enoch Adeboye's RCCG?

Perfectbeing:
OK lets take this to the beginning.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," John 1:1, NWT

Instead of the final words, look at the opening words: "In the beginning was the Word." It does not say, "In the beginning the Word came into being" or "In the beginning God created the Word." It says that in the beginning the Word already "was." In the beginning, the Word is already there. The Word does not have a beginning. Rather, the Word is already present in the beginning. Such a phrase implies an uncreated being. If someone were to say "In the beginning was Jehovah," such a phrase would not imply that Jehovah was a created being. It would point to the exact opposite of that. So, too, when such a phrase is applied to the Word.

Notice what verse 2 says immediately afterwards.
"This one was in the beginning with God," (John 1:2)
In the same way that God "was" in the beginning, so too the Word "was" in the beginning. Driving the same point home, the next verse explains:

"All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence," (John 1:3).
Note that all things came into existence through Him. Indeed, not even one thing came into existence except through Him. If The Word were Himself a creation, this would be utter nonsense!
He could not come into existence through Himself. If He came into existence, He would be one thing that came into existence that did not come into existence through the Word. But the verse here is emphatic: not even one thing came into existence apart from Him. When we ask which god the Word is, we must say that He is the eternal, uncreated creator. He is the God who brought all things into being and who Himself had no beginning. He is the "god" of Genesis 1

Janosky:
Mr Perfect being has a Construction Project.
If Perfect being brought his son, Mr JP to work for him, (Hebrews 1:1-2) who takes the credit for the success of the Project?

Will Mr Perfect being say that Mr JP saw that the Project was very successful?
Or Mr Perfectbeing saw that the Project was very successful?

Use your Church mind ooo & God given brain answer am oooo