Perfectbeing:


Least I forget. Your analogy holds no water.
Isaiah, 44:24, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.'"

Infact NWT puts it beautifully...

This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the Former of you from the belly: 'I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?

I love the last part "who was with Me?"

Here it clearly states that the Lord (Jehovah) made all things by Himself with no one else present. Neither through a representative. so how is it possible for the LORD ( Jehovah) to stretch out the heavens by Himself, all alone and yet Jesus "the first created thing" be the one who did it? They can't both be true even for you Jehovah's Witness.

Your claim not true,not valid.
Oga Perfectbeing, please read and study your Bible with understanding...

2 Questions to you:

Hebrews 1:1-2, God created the universe THROUGH His Son, is it not there in your Bible?

* Did the Word/Son create his Father?

Oga Perfectbeing bought a house THROUGH his Lawyer, is that not clear to you?
The house belongs to you but the Lawyer is your Agent working for you and with you.

What is the content of Isaiah 44:1-24 ?


44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel, who I have chosen: 2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water upon [a]him that is thirsty, and streams upon the dry ground; I will pour my Spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4 and they shall spring up among the grass, as willows by the watercourses. 5 One shall say, I am Jehovah’s; and another shall [b]call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall [c]subscribe with his hand unto Jehovah, and [d]surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. 7 [e]And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I established the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and that shall come to pass, let them [f]declare. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have I not declared unto thee of old, and showed it? and ye are my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no Rock; I know not any.

9 They that fashion a graven image are all of them [g]vanity; and the things that they delight in shall not profit; and their own witnesses see not, nor know: that they may be put to shame. 10 Who hath fashioned a god, or molten an image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, [h]all his fellows shall be put to shame; and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; they shall fear, they shall be put to shame together.

12 The smith [i]maketh an axe, and worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with his strong arm: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth; he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out a line; he marketh it out with [j]a pencil; he shapeth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compasses, and shapeth it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the holm-tree and the oak, and strengtheneth for himself one among the trees of the forest: he planteth [k]a fir-tree, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn; and he taketh thereof, and warmeth himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread: yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. 16 He burneth [l]part thereof in the fire; with [m]part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied; yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire. 17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image; he falleth down unto it and worshippeth, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They know not, neither do they consider: for he hath [n]shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. 19 And none calleth to mind, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20 He feedeth on ashes; a deceived heart hath turned him aside; and he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. 22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. 23 Sing, O ye heavens, for Jehovah hath done it; shout, ye lower parts of the earth; break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for Jehovah hath redeemed Jacob, and will glorify himself in Israel.

24 Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth [o](who is with me?);"

Vs 1- 7, Jehovah says He is the God of Israel, His servant.

Vs 8, Jehovah asks:" Is there a God besides me (in other words,does any true God exists apart from me"? I know not any.

V9-20 Jehovah express disgust against Israel for their practice of idolatry.

V24 Jehovah is saying He is not comparable to Israel's idols. where were the idols, gods of Israel when he created the world?

Read your Bible with understanding,abeg.
Isaiah 44:23" Jehovah is glorifying Himself in Israel"
Vs 24, No comparison between Jah & idols of Israel.

Throughout Isaiah 44, Jehovah ALWAYS use the pronoun "I".
Oga Perfectbeing, The Genesis 1:27 "Jehovah ,He created man in his image.
"He/I" is how many persons?
Genesis 1:26 Trinitarians claim is HOGWASH !

Jehovah must take the glory. Even Jesus always give glory to Jehovah.

Janosky:

Your claim not true,not valid.
Oga Perfectbeing, please read and study your Bible with understanding...

2 Questions to you:

Hebrews 1:1-2, God created the universe THROUGH His Son, is it not there in your Bible?

* Did the Word/Son create his Father?

Oga Perfectbeing bought a house THROUGH his Lawyer, is that not clear to you?
The house belongs to you but the Lawyer is your Agent working for you and with you.

What is the content of Isaiah 44:1-24 ?


44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel, who I have chosen: 2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water upon [a]him that is thirsty, and streams upon the dry ground; I will pour my Spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4 and they shall spring up among the grass, as willows by the watercourses. 5 One shall say, I am Jehovah’s; and another shall [b]call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall [c]subscribe with his hand unto Jehovah, and [d]surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. 7 [e]And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I established the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and that shall come to pass, let them [f]declare. 8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have I not declared unto thee of old, and showed it? and ye are my witnesses. Is there a God besides me? yea, there is no Rock; I know not any.

9 They that fashion a graven image are all of them [g]vanity; and the things that they delight in shall not profit; and their own witnesses see not, nor know: that they may be put to shame. 10 Who hath fashioned a god, or molten an image that is profitable for nothing? 11 Behold, [h]all his fellows shall be put to shame; and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; they shall fear, they shall be put to shame together.

12 The smith [i]maketh an axe, and worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with his strong arm: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth; he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13 The carpenter stretcheth out a line; he marketh it out with [j]a pencil; he shapeth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compasses, and shapeth it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house. 14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the holm-tree and the oak, and strengtheneth for himself one among the trees of the forest: he planteth [k]a fir-tree, and the rain doth nourish it. 15 Then shall it be for a man to burn; and he taketh thereof, and warmeth himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread: yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. 16 He burneth [l]part thereof in the fire; with [m]part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied; yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire. 17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image; he falleth down unto it and worshippeth, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18 They know not, neither do they consider: for he hath [n]shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. 19 And none calleth to mind, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20 He feedeth on ashes; a deceived heart hath turned him aside; and he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

21 Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. 22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. 23 Sing, O ye heavens, for Jehovah hath done it; shout, ye lower parts of the earth; break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for Jehovah hath redeemed Jacob, and will glorify himself in Israel.

24 Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth [o](who is with me?);"

Vs 1- 7, Jehovah says He is the God of Israel, His servant.

Vs 8, Jehovah asks:" Is there a God besides me (in other words,does any true God exists apart from me"? I know not any.

V9-20 Jehovah express disgust against Israel for their practice of idolatry.

V24 Jehovah is saying He is not comparable to Israel's idols. where were the idols, gods of Israel when he created the world?

Read your Bible with understanding,abeg.
Isaiah 44:23" Jehovah is glorifying Himself in Israel"
Vs 24, No comparison between Jah & idols of Israel.

Throughout Isaiah 44, Jehovah ALWAYS use the pronoun "I".
Oga Perfectbeing, The Genesis 1:27 "Jehovah ,He created man in his image.
"He/I" is how many persons?

When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...)
Explain..

And no the word didn't create the father.
The word and the father are the same

Perfectbeing:


When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

You are taking the glory for the work done.
Coach Westerhoof won the Afcon Nations Cup in 1994, Oga Perfectbeing, Na Westerhoof score the winning goals?

Hebrews 1:1-2.
Jehovah is saying that the idols of Israel(Isaiah 44:9-20) NEVER CREATED anything !
Jehovah did !(Isaiah 44:23). Glorifying Himself.

freshboi88:


Daddy Adeboye is my G.O

OK!
The man that drank coffee with God in his inner room!

So you and CCC, C&S, Christ Embassy, Synagogue are actually worshipping the same God shey?

Well let me save you the stress, the Yahoo plus big boy is not in good terms with any of the churches i mentioned, he taught you guys that drinking alcoholic beverages is a sin, including jewelries trousers slim-fits and makeups for ladies, all these are what the others will do without a bleep.
So why is Adeboye's RCCG standards different from Celestial, Cherubim, Christ Embassy and Synagogue?

Are you all worshippers of the same God?

Perfectbeing:

1)

When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

2)
And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...)
Explain..

And no the word didn't create the father.
The word and the father are the same

1)
When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?
Jehovah made this statement in the content and context of Isaiah 44:9-24, to show the huge disparity between Himself and the idol gods of Israel.
Isaiah 44:23 Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Genesis 1:1,27,31. Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Full stop.
In Genesis,Jehovah God is "I",His, He , not 3.

2).
The word and the Father are not the same.
Why ?
John 17:24... FACT.

Also, John 1:1-2 English" The Word was with God".
John 1:1-2 Greek "the Word was facing towards the God.
That is,Two different Beings..
Hebrews 1:1-2 is still sacrosanct.


Genesis 1:26 was a conversation , Jehovah spoke to others (Job38:4-7 sons of God (Angels) existed before man. Jesus , angels and man exists in God's image,Why ? They were CREATED.).
Does God exists in anyone's image ?
Not at all !

Proverbs 8:22 Jehovah CREATED Wisdom (the Word Jesus Christ ,1Cor1:24,30) to work with Jehovah' during the Creation. (Progressive information and revelations in the holy Scriptures).

In Genesis 1:26, After the speech , in verse 27, "God created man in his image."
God is "I", He, His etc, singular "God is a Spirit" ,so says Jesus(John 4:24), NOT Spirits.

@ freshboi88

See how stupid your daddy GO is!

He said he drank tea with God, and at the same time the stupid old fool came washing the dirty linen of his shrine in the public.
Imagine your daddy GO saying "my death can only come from God not from my Pastors"
Matthew 7:15-20
Please what is the foundation of your church so that Adeboye can not believe (trust) his fellow Pastors?

Are they not all working together for the same God?

Maximus69:
@ freshboi88

See how stupid your daddy GO is!

He said he drank tea with God, and at the same time the stupid old fool came washing the dirty linen of his shrine in the public.
Imagine your daddy GO saying "my death can only come from God not from his Pastors"

Please what is the foundation of your church so that Adeboye can not believe (trust) his fellow Pastors?

Are they not all working together for the same God?

If isn't have satan in you, u will not call a man of God stupid.

This goes to show u what has been inculcated in you from.ur kingdom hall. Do u know the implementation of insulting a man of God?....of course not!....u dnt read Ur bible.

Insulting him doesn't change the face that Jesus is not Angel Micheal as scripture has told u..If u can tell one lie, u can tell many lies that's the case of the Awake tower

freshboi88:


If isn't have satan in you, u will not call a man of God stupid.

This goes to show u what has been inculcated in you from.ur kingdom hall. Do u know the implementation of insulting a man of God?....of course not!....u dnt read Ur bible.

Insulting him doesn't change the face that Jesus is not Angel Micheal as scripture has told u..If u can tell one lie, u can tell many lies that's the case of the Awake tower

OK the Yahoo plus big boy is a man of God shey?

My guy, the title Man of God is NOT FOR SALE, so Adeboye can't bribe God to have it, what Jesus said is "buy their fruit you will know them" Matthew 7:15!

So if Enoch Adeboye is not at peace with Pastors trained under the same roof as himself, please what type of spirit is in the Church?

Sorry the old guy is a stupid fool and Satan is using him to lead you and many others to destruction.

Jesus said "if the blind guides the blind, they will both end up in the pit" Luke 6:39

If RCCG can't unite Enoch Adeboye with other overseers of the same religion, then it's obvious that the faith in your church is DEAD! James 2:18-26

Janosky:

You are taking the glory for the work done.
Coach Westerhoof won the Afcon Nations Cup in 1994, Oga Perfectbeing, Na Westerhoof score the winning goals?

Hebrews 1:1-2.
Jehovah is saying that the idols of Israel(Isaiah 44:9-20) NEVER CREATED anything !
Jehovah did !(Isaiah 44:23). Glorifying Himself.

I see you're trying to be cunny..

When you say you did something and add "by myself" to it. What does that mean... And if it doesn't mean you actually did the thing personally by yourself please give an example of something you did BY YOURSELF through someone else..

Janosky:

1)
When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?
Jehovah made this statement in the content and context of Isaiah 44:9-24, to show the huge disparity between Himself and the idol gods of Israel.
Isaiah 44:23 Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Genesis 1:1,27,31. Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Full stop.
In Genesis,Jehovah God is "I",His, He , not 3.

2).
The word and the Father are not the same.
Why ?
John 17:24... FACT.

Also, John 1:1-2 English" The Word was with God".
John 1:1-2 Greek "the Word was facing towards the God.
That is,Two different Beings..
Hebrews 1:1-2 is still sacrosanct.


Genesis 1:26 was a conversation , Jehovah spoke to others (Job38:4-7 sons of God (Angels) existed before man. Jesus , angels and man exists in God's image,Why ? They were CREATED.).
Does God exists in anyone's image ?
Not at all !

Proverbs 8:22 Jehovah CREATED Wisdom (the Word Jesus Christ ,1Cor1:24,30) to work with Jehovah' during the Creation. (Progressive information and revelations in the holy Scriptures).

In Genesis 1:26, After the speech , in verse 27, "God created man in his image."
God is "I", He, His etc, singular "God is a Spirit" ,so says Jesus(John 4:24), NOT Spirits.

Does animals and other non living things also exist in God's image since they were also created?

In order for you to butress your point you had to say angels too were also created in the image of God.. I guess also in his likeness..

Now imagine I have a piece of clay and I say "hey Janosky, let us make a human like figure out of this clay" what would I mean by that?

Perfectbeing:


OK lets take this to the beginning.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," John 1:1, NWT

Instead of the final words, look at the opening words: "In the beginning was the Word." It does not say, "In the beginning the Word came into being" or "In the beginning God created the Word." It says that in the beginning the Word already "was." In the beginning, the Word is already there. The Word does not have a beginning. Rather, the Word is already present in the beginning. Such a phrase implies an uncreated being. If someone were to say "In the beginning was Jehovah," such a phrase would not imply that Jehovah was a created being. It would point to the exact opposite of that. So, too, when such a phrase is applied to the Word.

Notice what verse 2 says immediately afterwards.
"This one was in the beginning with God," (John 1:2)
In the same way that God "was" in the beginning, so too the Word "was" in the beginning. Driving the same point home, the next verse explains:

"All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence," (John 1:3).
Note that all things came into existence through Him. Indeed, not even one thing came into existence except through Him. If The Word were Himself a creation, this would be utter nonsense!
He could not come into existence through Himself. If He came into existence, He would be one thing that came into existence that did not come into existence through the Word. But the verse here is emphatic: not even one thing came into existence apart from Him. When we ask which god the Word is, we must say that He is the eternal, uncreated creator. He is the God who brought all things into being and who Himself had no beginning. He is the "god" of Genesis 1

For some reason Janosky has decided not to reply this.

Perfectbeing:


I see you're trying to be cunny..

When you say you did something and add "by myself" to it. What does that mean... And if it doesn't mean you actually did the thing personally by yourself please give an example of something you did BY YOURSELF through someone else..

Please answer this question:
Hebrews 1:1-2, e dey your Bible?

Because Oga Perfectbeing wants to believe that the Word and the Father are the same even though Jesus Christ says they are NOT.
John 17:3,24. John 5:37. John 3:16-17, confirmed in Hebrews 1:1-2.

Oga Perfectbeing, you REFUSED to believe God's truth in your own Bible.

Genesis 1:1,27,31 says Jehovah saw that what HE created was good.
Isaiah 44:24 Jehovah made it by Himself.
Isaiah 44:23 Jehovah is glorifying Himself.
Do you believe it ?
Hebrews 1:1-2, Jehovah God created the Universe THROUGH His Son" naso your Bible talk am..
Oga Perfectbeing, Where is the cunning there ?

In the old testament,Jehovah says HE will not share His glory , Isaiah 42:8
"I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."

In the new testament (John 17:24) , Jehovah permitted His son to receive glory, where is the cunning there?
Is Jehovah lying? Is Jesus Christ cunning?

Maximus69:


OK the Yahoo plus big boy is a man of God shey?

My guy, the title Man of God is NOT FOR SALE, so Adeboye can't bribe God to have it, what Jesus said is "buy their fruit you will know them" Matthew 7:15!

So if Enoch Adeboye is not at peace with Pastors trained under the same roof as himself, please what type of spirit is in the Church?

Sorry the old guy is a stupid fool and Satan is using him to lead you and many others to destruction.

Jesus said "if the blind guides the blind, they will both end up in the pit" Luke 6:39

If RCCG can't unite Enoch Adeboye with other overseers of the same religion, then it's obvious that the faith in your church is DEAD! James 2:18-26

I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them

@freshboi88

I hope you can now see the reason why i kept saying PEACE amongst worshipers is a sign of God's approval of any group claiming Christians!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace so even when the world (worldly people under Satan) have no peace in their midst, the followers of the Prince of Peace should have PEACE amongst themselves!

Akindayomi is the founder of RCCG not Adeboye, so if God's holy spirit is actively working in the Church there shouldn't be any reason for Pastors to be fighting even to the point of using diabolic means to remove a leader from office!

Jesus said

"By their FRUIT you will know them" Matthew 7:15

freshboi88:


I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them

LIAR !
JWs have NEVER claimed to be infallible...
Freshboi88 ,Where you go copy that your LIE...

Perfectbeing:


For some reason Janosky has decided not to reply this.

I didn't see this post until now....

Janosky:


Revelation 3:5,11-12,14.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Mark 13:19 King James Bible
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be

Both bolded expressions in Mark 13:19 & Rev3:14 have the same meaning and saying the same thing.

The BEGINNING doesn't mean "SOURCE or Originator.

Evidence 1.
The same expression (BOLDED) in Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19.

Evidence 2.
Romans 11:36, Bros, who is the Source of Life ?

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:3.

Evidence 3..
Ephesians 3:14-15, to whom does everyone in heaven and Earth owe their name?
Is Jesus among "everyone in heaven "?
Yes... YEs.... YES !!!!!!!



Christian wey no know wetin dey him Bible
JWs dey give am free tutorials,yet he no want to purge him Daddy G.O JUNK komot from him brain and body

freshboi88:


I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them

I only invited you to reason with your God's given sense, arguing over scriptural understanding makes no sense when you can't make good use of what you learnt for peace among yourselves!

Jehovah's Witnesses have been successful in accomplishing this, so if you speak against them i'll just echo what Jesus said

"JEHOVAH forgive freshboi88 because he doesn't know what he is doing" Luke 23:34 compare to Act 7:59-60

It's Enoch Adeboye who knows what the spirit of God should bear, can not produce it yet criticising those producing it that will not be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

Thanks

Perfectbeing:



Now imagine I have a piece of clay and I say "hey Janosky, let us make a human like figure out of this clay" what would I mean by that?

Oga Perfectbeing, desperately clutching at straws..... OK nau... Let's go there....

Questions for you:
Who conceived the idea " let us make human figure......"?
How many persons conceived the idea ?
Who takes the glory for the idea ,..."Let us make.."
Who worked to achieve the idea ?

Janosky:


LIAR !
JWs have NEVER claimed to be infallible...
Freshboi88 ,Where you go copy that your LIE...

Frustration comes when someone is trying to establish what is not true or when battling bitterly to refute what is obvious.

So let his cohorts tell him that Jehovah's Organization never claimed to be infallible!

Janosky:


LIAR !
JWs have NEVER claimed to be infallible...
Freshboi88 ,Where you go copy that your LIE...

But u said Ur d only true church nah. That others are fake....doesn't tht make urs perfect?

Maximus69:


Frustration comes when someone is trying to establish what is not true or when battling bitterly to refute what is obvious.

So let his cohorts tell him that Jehovah's Organization never claimed to be infallible!

So if ur not infallible, what are your imperfections, list them out for all in the thread to see


Just sha know tht u hve already mumu yasef. If u r not perfect, wht right do u have to judge others.

freshboi88:


So if ur not infallible, what are your imperfections, list them out for all in the thread to see
Just sha know tht u hve already mumu yasef. If u r not perfect, wht right do u have to judge others.

It's not about judgement my guy, it's about humbly accepting the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what you are reading in God's word!

Jehovah's Witnesses are making sense by organizing themselves in the way befitting God's people, so we joined them on seeing the fruitage of God's holy spirit in their midst!

Perfectbeing:


When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...)
Explain..

And no the word didn't create the father.
The word and the father are the same

Romans 11:39 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things.

Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ?

freshboi88:


I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them

After running away from why Jesus was called Son of God like Adam and the angels ... Why are they all " Sons " ?


You can't escape it.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

The Father made Jesus THROUGH HIMSELF - Romans 11:39 exposed you here.

If you say he needed to Jesus to create Jesus . then answer Me, what exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Cos that shows the Father himself was the agent for a certain creation.

Jozzy4:



The Father made Jesus THROUGH HIMSELF - Romans 11:39 exposed you here.

If you say he needed to Jesus to create Jesus . then answer Me, what exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Cos that shows the Father himself was the agent for a certain creation.

How does Romans 11:39 help Ur pitiable situation?..... You r beginning to sound desperate. Can u xplain how Roman 11:39 shows the Father creating Jesus

Jozzy4:



The Father made Jesus THROUGH HIMSELF - Romans 11:39 exposed you here.

If you say he needed to Jesus to create Jesus . then answer Me, what exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Cos that shows the Father himself was the agent for a certain creation.

He is now ashamed of his Yahoo plus big boy (daddy GO) and what is happening within their business center (RCCG)

He thought he could ridicule God's Organization by quoting the scriptures (which he can't apply in a practical sense) forgetting that it's the practical application and benefits that will justify his interpretation!

Now i pushed him into revealing the identity of his Pastor and Church only for him to see that those he is trusting to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses are common greedy merchants who are lovers of money!

freshboi88:


How does Romans 11:39 help Ur pitiable situation?..... You r beginning to sound desperate. Can u xplain how Roman 11:39 shows the Father creating Jesus

Is it not Adeboye and his church that taught you this?

For your information Jesus said

It's by their fruit that you will recognize his true servants whom he sent to teach you God's word NOT their arguments! Matthew 7:15-20

If money position and prominence is making Adeboye and other Pastors in your religion to go diabolic, what's blurring your spiritual vision from seeing that they're the real cultists accusing others?

Jozzy4:



Romans 11:39 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things.

Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ?

Your bible has Romans 11:39?

Perfectbeing:


Your bible has Romans 11:39?

Romans 11:36 , the point still stands

Romans 11:36 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things.

Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ?

freshboi88:


How does Romans 11:39 help Ur pitiable situation?

Yeah the pitiable situation you are that kept you running around just for you to tell why Adam and other heavenly beings are called " Sons of God "

..... You r beginning to sound desperate. Can u xplain how Roman 11:39 shows the Father creating Jesus

Romans 11:36 said All things came from the Father , THROUGH the Father , and for him.

Through the Father shows that there is someone or something the Father made himself without any agent.

Who is that person ?

Jozzy4:


Yeah the pitiable situation you are that kept you running around just for you to tell why Adam and other heavenly beings are called " Sons of God "



Romans 11:36 said All things came from the Father , THROUGH the Father , and for him.

Through the Father shows that there is someone or something the Father made himself without any agent.

Who is that person ?

New International Version
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

New Living Translation
For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
For from Him and through Him and unto Him are all things. To Him be the glory to the ages! Amen.

New American Standard Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

New King James Version
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

King James Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

Contemporary English Version
Everything comes from the Lord. All things were made because of him and will return to him. Praise the Lord forever! Amen.

Good News Translation
For all things were created by him, and all things exist through him and for him. To God be the glory forever! Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

International Standard Version
For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.

NET Bible
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever! Amen.

New Heart English Bible
For from him and by him and in him are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because all is from him, and in him, and all is by him, that to him would be praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everything is from him and by him and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen!

New American Standard 1977
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

King James 2000 Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

American King James Version
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

American Standard Version
For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For of him, and by him, and in him, are all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.

Darby Bible Translation
For of him, and through him, and for him [are] all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.

English Revised Version
For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
For from him, and by him, and to him are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen.

World English Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever! Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are the all things; to Him is the glory -- to the ages. Amen.

This are all the translations I could find. Pls where did u see the Father there? This verse mirrors col 1:16

English Standard Version
Col 1:16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him
and for him.

Who is col 1:16 talking bout, the Father or the Son?... When u answer and see the similarity between both u will then see that u have been deceived.

Firstly, Ur translation carelessly put Father there to deceive u. Go through all other translations there is nothing like that, Not 1.

Secondly there is no where in the bible that says God created Jesus first and used him to create other things. If u read col 1:16, John 1:3 and this Romans 11:36 and many other verses that say the same thing.

If I were u, I will demand all the money I have given to awake to continue to spread fake doctrine, repent, get baptized and give my life to Jesus. Our Lord and Our God!