Sarah20A:
the Benins never claimed supremacy over the yorubas it's you people that can't narrate your history without mentioning the Benins

I only explained the meaning of this few words so that the yorubas should know that oba doesn't mean king in Benin .

It is not only the yoruba people

Even foreign yoruba historians can never tell yoruba history without adding benin history to support......... The History is so boring they need the support of benin history to support it to make it interesting

Sarah20A:
the Benins never claimed supremacy over the yorubas it's you people that can't narrate your history without mentioning the Benins

I only explained the meaning of this few words so that the yorubas should know that oba doesn't mean king in Benin .

(1) No, the word "Oba" doesn't even exist at all in the Edo lexicon.

The question of it having a different meaning, therefore, doesn't even come up to begin with.

(2) The Edo root-word "Baa" means "Shine"

(3) The derived form "O - Baa" (not even one word, not even a noun) means "it is Shinning".

(4) The derived form "N'Oba" means "that which Shines"

(5) The derived form "Noba" means "Red"


(6) Now, comes the question:

"Where is the word "Oba" to be found in the Edo lexicon, let alone its meaning"?? ??

TAO11:


(1) No, the word "Oba" doesn't even exist at all in the Edo lexicon.

The question of it having a different meaning, therefore, doesn't even come up to begin with.

(2) The Edo root-word "Baa" means "Shine"

(3) The derived form "O - Baa" (not even one word, not even a noun) means "it is Shinning".

(4) The derived form "N'Oba" means "that which Shines"

(5) The derived form "Noba" means "Red"


(6) Now, comes the question:

"Where is the word "Oba" to be found in the Edo lexicon, let alone its meaning"?? ??

Oga we have more than 10 kings ruling yoruba people we dont have anyone from yoruba ruling any part of edo, the Portuguese knew the king of benin as oba since 1400

The British knew the yoruba kings in thier repective title adding oba to thier title is completely dubious and madness

The yoruba language is a united language the word oba came into the entire yoruba lexicon from already influenced part of yorubas who had been ruled by benins in d past......


Simple dont go and be reasoning myth that was made up...........

Wise up


There was no oranmiyan or oduduwa

Unless you wan prove am



In the former western region the ooni account of Oduduwa the oba of benin came second inline followed by alafin of oyo,
do you know that in that same western region, in the councils of chiefs the ooni came first, alafin came second and the oba of benin came third,
This was done so that the alafin wont revolt and expose all the secrete, but our oba who they knew to be calm bore the humiliation until he was fed up.......and he pulled out only god knows what that man faced while in the western region

We the children are too wise to be fooled by the yorubas


Sarah20A
Samuk
Ghostwon

There are actually way, way, way, way, way more than 10.

And that's because .... This is our reality ... We are KINGDOM founders.

The first of our KINGDOM is ..... guess where .... IFẸ̀.

This prime Yoruba kingdom became an exemplary model that Ife princes scattered out from Ife to model and replicate everywhere else.

This model was then to be replicated among other Yoruba subgroups (and non-Yoruba subgroups) in the West Africa forest (who have all settled in different parts of the forest since some unknown antiquity).

The Yorubas generally believe very strongly that it is from Ife that all crowned personages IN THE WORLD went out.

Although this may sound grandoise to ignorant folks, evidence outside Yorubaland all seem to be slowly confirming this lately.

(1) The Edos are a non-Yoruba subgroup, yet see what we did for them in the first attachment below. Compare this with what they are repaying us with.

(2) The Supreme King of the Ga people of Ghana --- the Ga Mantse, King Nii Adama Latse II confirmed not long ago that the Gas are from Ile-Ife. See the second attachment.

Historians understand such statements to mean that their monarchy (not necessarily the aboriginals themselves) are from Ife.

(3) Even in as far away as the ancient Kingdom of Kush, an extant Coptic text (alluded to by Professor Cheik Anta Diop in his "The African Origin of Civilization") shows that an IFE prince ruled over the ancient Nubian Kingdom of Kush.

(4) Moreover, I refuse to think that it is only by a mere coincidence that the Strazzi Palace in Florence hosted the 2005 exhibition entitled "When God Lived in Ife".

(5) In fact Professor S. P. Blier have shown that Ife's current monarch is the leader of one of the three earliest founded surviving dynasties in the world, with the other two being Japan and Rajasthan.

An upcoming work from Professor S. P. Blier (as hinted from a reliable source) promises to shed more light on the interraction between ancient Ife and the global world.

All these simply reminds me of one of my favourite lines in a sakara music by Yusuf Olatunji:

"Bi won bafe je Oba ni-Ife-Ooni, won a koko je Sooko shiwaju. Ile-Ife oo, eyin lo l'Ade oo. Ile-Ife oo, eyin lo l'Ade oo ..."

Cheers!

cc: macof ... gomojam ... googi ... nisai ... babtoundey ... ogboato ...amujale

TAO11:


(1) No, the word "Oba" doesn't even exist at all in the Edo lexicon.

The question of it having a different meaning, therefore, doesn't even come up to begin with.

(2) The Edo root-word "Baa" means "Shine"

(3) The derived form "O - Baa" (not even one word, not even a noun) means "it is Shinning".

(4) The derived form "N'Oba" means "that which Shines"

(5) The derived form "Noba" means "Red"


(6) Now, comes the question:

"Where is the word "Oba" to be found in the Edo lexicon, let alone its meaning"?? ??

they say see ebo you say see father,


How is oba of Benin addressed?,is it not OMO 'NOBA" N-EDO " when you translate it to English won't it give you the same thing you wrote ? or you didn't see where I wrote that oba is an abbreviation.

You people should tell your histories and leave that of Benin for them

Sarah20A:
they say see ebo you say see father,


How is oba of Benin addressed?,is it not OMO 'NOBA" N-EDO " when you translate it to English won't it give you the same thing you wrote ? or you didn't see where I wrote that oba is an abbreviation.

You people should tell your histories and leave that of Benin for them

The latest from the Edos:

"Oba" is only an abbreviation in Edo language ?? ?? ??

My people coman hear oo:

They're gradually confessing that the word "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon. cc: macof .. gomojam .. googi .. babtoundey.

So, with this recent confession, let me drill further:

Do other Edoid speaking people have cHiLdReN who sHiNe for them?? ?? ??


See, do not deceive yourself, ask ANY Edo person who is not preview to this Nairaland Edo gymnastics to translate the phrase Oba of Benin into English language.

They will be honest enough to tell you that it means King of Benin.

Everyone (including your people) know that "Oba" is an actual word, not an abbreviation. And that it simply means "King".

The problem for you all, then, remains that this word "OBA" is original to Yoruba, and alien to Edo.

"Ogie" is your original Edo word meaning "King", and since the beginning of the Yoruba connection till date, it is almost never used for any Benin king.

That's precisely why it is not found in your lexicon. Hence your latest gymnastic of "iT iS aN aBbReViAtIoN".

Sarah20A:
the Benins never claimed supremacy over the yorubas it's you people that can't narrate your history without mentioning the Benins

I only explained the meaning of this few words so that the yorubas should know that oba doesn't mean king in Benin .

smh. You have no idea what history is, if you think the history of a people should be restricted to not mentioning recorded interactions with others

Obviously the meaning you gave has nothing to do with the title of Ọba. Obviously the "Ọba" that means Ruler is etymologically unrelated to the "Oba" you talked about that means 'Shinning'

macof:
smh. You have no idea what history is, if you think the history of a people should be restricted to not mentioning recorded interactions with others

Obviously the meaning you gave has nothing to do with the title of Ọba. Obviously the "Ọba" that means Ruler is etymologically unrelated to the "Oba" you talked about that means 'Shinning'

Macof, you haven't gotten the big issue.

The big issue is that the word "Oba" doesn't even exist in the Edo lexicon, let alone have a different meaning.

She seem to have admitted this in her latest reply to me. I have cc'ed you in my reply to her reply.

TAO11:

The latest from the Edos:

"Oba" is only an abbreviation in Edo language ?? ?? ??

My people coman here oo:

They're gradually confessing that the word "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon. cc: macof .. gomojam .. googi .. babtoundey.

So, with this recent confession, let me drill further:

Do other Edoid speaking people have cHiLdReN who sHiNe for them?? ?? ??


See, do not deceive yourself, ask ANY Edo person who is not preview to this Nairaland Edo gymnastics to translate the phrase Oba of Benin into English language.

They will be honest enough to tell you that it means King of Benin.

Everyone (including your people) know that "Oba" is an actual word, not an abbreviation. And that it simply means "King".

The problem for you all, then, remains that this word "OBA" is original to Yoruba, and alien to Edo.

"Ogie" is your original Edo word meaning "King", and since the beginning of the Yoruba connection till date, it is almost never used for any Benin king.

That's precisely why it is not found in your lexicon. Hence your latest gymnastic of "iT iS aN aBbReViAtIoN".

Lol.. I am kuku following. it is ridiculously oba in their language has various meanings that don't add up to the intending and actual meaning. The funniest and most ludicrous meaning I ever read here are : it is red , a child that is shining. Now Oba is an abbreviation. What will one not read here?

God bless you Tao11 for your all time preparedness to expose them and most importantly educate those who care to know the truth backed up by logical evidence (not the kind of "my father says," and "I think" proofs).

TAO11:

The latest from the Edos:

"Oba" is only an abbreviation in Edo language ?? ?? ??

My people coman here oo:

They're gradually confessing that the word "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon. cc: macof .. gomojam .. googi .. babtoundey.

So, with this recent confession, let me drill further:

Do other Edoid speaking people have cHiLdReN who sHiNe for them?? ?? ??


See, do not deceive yourself, ask ANY Edo person who is not preview to this Nairaland Edo gymnastics to translate the phrase Oba of Benin into English language.

They will be honest enough to tell you that it means King of Benin.

Everyone (including your people) know that "Oba" is an actual word, not an abbreviation. And that it simply means "King".

The problem for you all, then, remains that this word "OBA" is original to Yoruba, and alien to Edo.

"Ogie" is your original Edo word meaning "King", and since the beginning of the Yoruba connection till date, it is almost never used for any Benin king.

That's precisely why it is not found in your lexicon. Hence your latest gymnastic of "iT iS aN aBbReViAtIoN".

Yea ogie is king


The oba can still be referred as ogie nothing changed the world oba is not just king alone but also a form of praise( representing two purposes)

Omo no oba n' edo (the child that shines for the edo people)

In this contest both the word oba is serving as praise and representing king



Tell me my friend how did the yorubas bring the word oba to benin

gregyboy:



Yea ogie is king


The oba can still be referred as ogie nothing changed the world oba is not just king alone but also a form of praise( representing two purposes)

Omo no oba n' edo (the child that shines for the edo people)

In this contest both the word oba is serving as praise and representing king



Tell me my friend how did the yorubas bring the word oba to benin

Oh so you know that in this part of Africa, royal titles are a form of or derived from praise
But you go around trying to project the idea that Yoruba Royal titles like Ooni, Alaafin, Awujale are words for King

I thought you never understood the concept and difference between a title/praise name for a ruler and the actual word for King/Ruler

Also by your own will you have stated that "ọba" in Edo is a praise name for the Ogie (King)
Meaning Oba is never a word for King in Edo language

But Ọba is the word for King or more accurately "ruler" in Yoruba language

The implication here is that the word went from Yoruba speaking realm to the edo speaking realm where the edo could not make sense of the word past the idea of "oh, that's what this ruler(in reference to Oranmiyan) is called, so let's keep calling him that"

gregyboy:



Yea ogie is king


The oba can still be referred as ogie nothing changed but oba is not king but a form of praise

Omo no oba n' edo (the child that shines for the edo people)

In this contest both the word oba is serving as praise and representing king

Tell me my friend how did tge yorubas bring the wors oba to benin

(1) Show me (from etymology) the word "Oba" in the Edo lexicon.

(2) Even with the "shine" gymsnastics, do other Edoid language speaking people not have "KiDs who sHiNe" for them?? ??

We should have seen at least one example of such "shining kids" from other Edoid language speaking people, may be the Urhobos.

(3) Through whom did the word "Oba" enter the Edo lexicon?? ??

Okay, let's see if you agree with the answer provided by Oba Ewuare II from time-stamp 13:20 of this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

macof:

The implication here is that the word went from Yoruba speaking realm to the edo speaking realm where the edo could not make sense of the word past the idea of "oh, that's what this ruler(in reference to Oranmiyan) is called, so let's keep calling him that"

You comprehend the gist in its absolute sense. Kudos!

The alien term left them in confusion till date.

In linguistic, to make sense of a loanword etymologically, one have to go back to the donor language.

Otherwise, a confusion similar to that engulfing the Binis here at the moment, will engulf such person.

TAO11:


You comprehend the gist in its absolute sense. Kudos!

The alien term left them in confusion till date.

In linguistic, to make sense of a loanword etymologically, one have to go back to the donor language.

Otherwise, a confusion similar to that engulfing the Binis here at the moment, will engulf such person.

You just hit the nail on the head.
They have remained confused about the word for centuries

Reason the Ogiamien said "Ogie amien, Aimmien Ọba"
"it is Ogie we have and not Ọba" in very strict literal translation it would be "it is king we have we don't have King"

Till today they can't make sense of the word Ọba

macof:


You just hit the nail on the head.
They have remained confused about the word for centuries

Reason the Ogiamien said "Ogie amien, Aimmien Ọba".

"it is Ogie we have and not Ọba" in very strict literal translation it would be "it is king we have we don't have King"

Till today they can't make sense of the word Ọba

Thank you for that Edo quotation. Been trying to figure it. I only remembered its English translation.

gregyboy:


Don't mind this mofos i will post more info to ascertain my claims Oduduwa was a political move

Benin have so many foreign historians who constantly research on our work the number of benin foreign historians can not be conuted

Benin history his to wide my friend for one historian to handle

Only on benin artworks we have several historians that concetrate on various ascept

Like......

*The emerge of benin art in Europe
*Prehistory of benin artwork
*sizes and pattern of benin artwork and model
*method of making the artwork


This are categories of studies in benin artwork alone, they are many benin foreign historians who are angry benin is distorting thier history with ife Oduduwa story, it was never there
If only the oba could correct that notion openly many things will be fixed

Right bro, keep giving them facts and any mofo that fvcks up I will treat their fvck up like I did to that TAO12

TAO11:

The latest from the Edos:

"Oba" is only an abbreviation in Edo language ?? ?? ??

My people coman hear oo:

They're gradually confessing that the word "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon. cc: macof .. gomojam .. googi .. babtoundey.

So, with this recent confession, let me drill further:

Do other Edoid speaking people have cHiLdReN who sHiNe for them?? ?? ??


See, do not deceive yourself, ask ANY Edo person who is not preview to this Nairaland Edo gymnastics to translate the phrase Oba of Benin into English language.

They will be honest enough to tell you that it means King of Benin.

Everyone (including your people) know that "Oba" is an actual word, not an abbreviation. And that it simply means "King".

The problem for you all, then, remains that this word "OBA" is original to Yoruba, and alien to Edo.

"Ogie" is your original Edo word meaning "King", and since the beginning of the Yoruba connection till date, it is almost never used for any Benin king.

That's precisely why it is not found in your lexicon. Hence your latest gymnastic of "iT iS aN aBbReViAtIoN".

I didn't say oba is an abbreviation in Edo language,oba is an abbreviation of "OMO NOR OBA NE EDO ".

oba has a meaning in edo language and please if you know that you're allergic to other people history or language then you should stick with your king who fell from the sky.

Sarah20A:
I didn't say oba is an abbreviation in Edo language,oba is an abbreviation of "OMO NOR OBA NE EDO ".

oba has a meaning in edo language and please if you know that you're allergic to other people history or language then you should stick with your king who fell from the sky.

Same way your Igodo fell from the sky?
Why not apply your own advice first

Sarah20A:
I didn't say oba is an abbreviation in Edo language,oba is an abbreviation of "OMO NOR OBA NE EDO ".

oba has a meaning in edo language and please if you know that you're allergic to other people history or language then you should stick with your king who fell from the sky.

Yes, you did mention that the word "Oba" is an abbreviation. And of course you didn't mean that in the context of Chinese language.

Morover, regardless of how you desperately try to squeze the word "Oba" into the "shinning" phrase ... lol, the word "Oba" is not there.

The word there is the word "N'Oba" (NOT the word "Oba") and this word translates to "that which Shines".

Also, the phrase is correctly spelt as "Omo N'Oba", do not twist.

And my question regarding the "shining" gymnastic remains that:

"Why is it that other Edoid language speaking people (e.g. the Urhobos) have no "KID-rulers who SHINE""?? They all have rulers after all.

To be honest with yourself, the word "Oba" is simply not found in the Edoid language speaking peoples' lexicon.

Moreover, where did you get the impression from that I'm allergic to your history and language??

Does exposing the falsehoods and propaganda in your so-called history and language mean the same thing as being allergic to it. How did you even get here?

In fact, if there is anyone who is allergic to anything, then it is you who hate to see the bare truth of your made up history and language.

Lastly, the only king that I know of who fell from the sky is your Ogiso.

Your Ogiso dived from heaven to Benin City round-about without any parachute.

gregyboy:

[s]It is not only the yoruba people

Even foreign yoruba historians can never tell yoruba history without adding benin history to support......... The History is so boring they need the support of benin history to support it to make it interesting[/s]

Yes! Not for support tho, but for completeness.

When Dangote takes inventory of his businesses, he also includes those he established abroad.

Likewise, it is unfair to exclude my children born from my foreign spouse when enumerating my offsprings.

Cheers!

macof:


Same way your Igodo fell from the sky?
Why not apply your own advice first

you people are lying despicable cunning human beings

When did the Benins ever say they came the sky?so because the first dynasty was ogiso then you people want to shift your watering claim to the Benins


Jesus I fear una today ooo.you people are bunch of liars
I now believe why the hausa's gave you people the name 'yariaba"

Sarah20A:
you people are lying despicable cunning human beings

When did the Benins ever say they came the sky?so because the first dynasty was ogiso then you people want to shift your watering claim to the Benins


Jesus I fear una today ooo.you people are bunch of liars
I now believe why the hausa's gave you people the name 'yariaba"

Shut up there. Rather than learning your own traditions and what your elders told people who asked, you are here fighting a "glorious war" against yoruba. You are ever prepared to give it hot to yorubas or so you think. When you people are done with your supremacy war you will rest. Nonsense

Screenshot from "Kings, Magic and Medicine" by Chief. Dr. Daryl Peavy
Maybe you know more Edo traditions than a chief priest

macof:
Shut up there. Rather than learning your own traditions and what your elders told people who asked, you are here fighting a "glorious war" against yoruba. You are ever prepared to give it hot to yorubas or so you think. When you people are done with your supremacy war you will rest. Nonsense

Screenshot from "Kings, Magic and Medicine" by Chief. Dr. Daryl Peavy
Maybe you know more Edo traditions than a chief priest

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Now she knows that she is "a lying despicable cunning human being".

Let's see how she spins this with another lie as a bona fide Edo.

cc: Sarah20A

An Interesting Question:
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Why is it that every newly installed King of Benin Kingdom must always visit the reigning King of Ile-Ife??

Yet it never happens the other way round that a newly installed King of Ife should visit the reigning King of Benin Kingdom.

Why is this always so??

See attachement for:

(1). Oba Akenzua (II) at Ile-Ife.

(2). Oba Erediauwa (I) at Ile-Ife.

(3). Oba Ewuare (II) at Ile-Ife.

macof:
Shut up there. Rather than learning your own traditions and what your elders told people who asked, you are here fighting a "glorious war" against yoruba. You are ever prepared to give it hot to yorubas or so you think. When you people are done with your supremacy war you will rest. Nonsense

Screenshot from "Kings, Magic and Medicine" by Chief. Dr. Daryl Peavy
Maybe you know more Edo traditions than a chief priest

ogiso was chosen as a name for those leaders so that the people will see them as leaders that were sent by God from the sky not that they fell from up

I may not be educated as you are but I can vouch that there was never a time that the Benins claimed that they fell from the sky instead it was the yorubas that claimed that oduduwa fell from the sky

The Benins only believe that when God created the world their ancestors chose the land instead of the sea and sky and that's one the reason their colours are red and white.
The red which stand for the mother earth (mud sand)the white which stand for purity and holiness (native chalk)


I am aware that there's a lot of conspiracy theories about Benin and history as a whole that is why I will never comment or argue what am not sure of .

Why is it only in nairaland that you like claiming supremacy over Benin ?why don't you go out there on Facebook or raise an argument in a TV station station if you're really sure of what you're saying

macof:


Oh so you know that in this part of Africa, royal titles are a form of or derived from praise
But you go around trying to project the idea that Yoruba Royal titles like Ooni, Alaafin, Awujale are words for King

I thought you never understood the concept and difference between a title/praise name for a ruler and the actual word for King/Ruler

Also by your own will you have stated that "ọba" in Edo is a praise name for the Ogie (King)
Meaning Oba is never a word for King in Edo language

But Ọba is the word for King or more accurately "ruler" in Yoruba language

The implication here is that the word went from Yoruba speaking realm to the edo speaking realm where the edo could not make sense of the word past the idea of "oh, that's what this ruler(in reference to Oranmiyan) is called, so let's keep calling him that"

Funny you....... There was never oromiyan


The yorubass kings should be initially called

Ooni of ife 'kabiesyi' adutuwayi , or whatever is name is called

Ooni of ife is his title
Kabeysi= royal highness, royalty

Oba of benin= title
Ogie= royalty


There was never oromiyan


Your brothers even said oromiyan was coined by alafin of Oyo that even the alafin of oyo was not a son of oduduwa that the ooni of ife knew is true sons

Sarah20A:
ogiso was chosen as a name for those leaders so that the people will see them as leaders that were sent by God from the sky not that they fell from up

I may not be educated as you are but I can vouch that there was never a time that the Benins claimed that they fell from the sky instead it was the yorubas that claimed that oduduwa fell from the sky

The Benins only believe that when God created the world their ancestors chose the land instead of the sea and sky and that's one the reason their colours are red and white.
The red which stand for the mother earth (mud sand)the white which stand for purity and holiness (native chalk)


I am aware that there's a lot of conspiracy theories about Benin and history as a whole that is why I will never comment or argue what am not sure of .

Why is it only in nairaland that you like claiming supremacy over Benin ?why don't you go out there on Facebook or raise an argument in a TV station station if you're really sure of what you're saying

As I said go and learn your traditions. You don't know more than traditionalists who have said Bini have traditions of their ancestors coming from the sky

It's a prevalent tradition in West Africa.. Igbos have it, Aja have it, Yoruba have it

And I have explained severally that the issue of oduduwa is not that complicated when you realize that there are two entities
I can't be repeating myself every time.

Lmao you are the ones always eager to fight, it is after all the war that you declared. Yorùbá have no problem with you
It is you that have problems with us. But that's your business, that's why you are the ones going on TV, opening websites and making posts on all platforms against Yoruba
Yoruba can't be bothered by any minority who we gave the monarchy and taught the art they are most proud of.
Even the so called "Bini juju" everyone in Pop culture is talking about, na Yoruba give you
There's nothing that brings Bini into the light of discussion that isn't traced back to the Yoruba nation
I can understand why you hate Yoruba guts

macof:


As I said go and learn your traditions. You don't know more than traditionalists who have said Bini have traditions of their ancestors coming from the sky

It's a prevalent tradition in West Africa.. Igbos have it, Aja have it, Yoruba have it

And I have explained severally that the issue of oduduwa is not that complicated when you realize that there are two entities
I can't be repeating myself every time.

Lmao you are the ones always eager to fight, it is after all the war that you declared. Yorùbá have no problem with you
It is you that have problems with us. But that's your business, that's why you are the ones going on TV, opening websites and making posts on all platforms against Yoruba
Yoruba can't be bothered by any minority who we gave the monarchy and taught the art they are most proud of.
Even the so called "Bini juju" everyone in Pop culture is talking about, na Yoruba give you
There's nothing that brings Bini into the light of discussion that isn't traced back to the Yoruba nation
I can understand why you hate Yoruba guts

Oduduwa is a myth imagined by many yorubas

gregyboy:



Oduduwa is a myth imagined by many yorubas

Says who?

Say gregyboy!

Type it 10,000 times, I promise everyone will think you're right

macof:


As I said go and learn your traditions. You don't know more than traditionalists who have said Bini have traditions of their ancestors coming from the sky

It's a prevalent tradition in West Africa.. Igbos have it, Aja have it, Yoruba have it

And I have explained severally that the issue of oduduwa is not that complicated when you realize that there are two entities
I can't be repeating myself every time.

Lmao you are the ones always eager to fight, it is after all the war that you declared. Yorùbá have no problem with you
It is you that have problems with us. But that's your business, that's why you are the ones going on TV, opening websites and making posts on all platforms against Yoruba
Yoruba can't be bothered by any minority who we gave the monarchy and taught the art they are most proud of.
Even the so called "Bini juju" everyone in Pop culture is talking about, na Yoruba give you
There's nothing that brings Bini into the light of discussion that isn't traced back to the Yoruba nation
I can understand why you hate Yoruba guts

I have learnt my origin and for the traditional am still learning it ...Benin tradition is vast one

As for our origin we neither migrated from Egypt or fell from the sky ...we came from the red soil.

Our history, tradition and origin is been passed through our dressing, our choice of colour, our dance, and our artworks. There was a time when Benin was an empire a kingdom and it shall be great again.


I pray for my people to wake up from their slumber on time.dont you think you should be doing talk show on the history of Benin since you are well knowledgeable of its history...Benin history is very large to the extent it can be taught as a subject in schools and universities .

TAO11:

The latest from the Edos:

"Oba" is only an abbreviation in Edo language ?? ?? ??

My people coman hear oo:

They're gradually confessing that the word "Oba" is not found in the Edo lexicon. cc: macof .. gomojam .. googi .. babtoundey.

So, with this recent confession, let me drill further:

Do other Edoid speaking people have cHiLdReN who sHiNe for them?? ?? ??


See, do not deceive yourself, ask ANY Edo person who is not preview to this Nairaland Edo gymnastics to translate the phrase Oba of Benin into English language.

They will be honest enough to tell you that it means King of Benin.

Everyone (including your people) know that "Oba" is an actual word, not an abbreviation. And that it simply means "King".

The problem for you all, then, remains that this word "OBA" is original to Yoruba, and alien to Edo.

"Ogie" is your original Edo word meaning "King", and since the beginning of the Yoruba connection till date, it is almost never used for any Benin king.

That's precisely why it is not found in your lexicon. Hence your latest gymnastic of "iT iS aN aBbReViAtIoN".

I stay away from these types of discussions but wanted to point out that “ogie” probably does not strictly mean “king” in Edo. It more closely matches up with a title of nobility like “duke” or “baron” in English, which tallies up with cognate terms like “oye/oloye” in Yoruba and related languages. The “gh” (as in “oghene”) is called a voiced velar fricative in linguistics and is regularly pronounced as “-y” or “-w” or elided altogether in modern standard (Oyo) Yoruba, although it’s retained and still prominent in both northeast and southeast variants of Yoruba and in Igala. This suggests it’s an older inherited sound that changes in the Oyo-speaking region.

Might be interesting insights for anyone interested in this.

TerraCotta:


I stay away from these types of discussions but wanted to point out that “ogie” probably does not strictly mean “king” in Edo. It more closely matches up with a title of nobility like “duke” or “baron” in English, which tallies up with cognate terms like “oye/oloye” in Yoruba and related languages. The “gh” (as in “oghene”) is called a voiced velar fricative in linguistics and is regularly pronounced as “-y” or “-w” or elided altogether in modern standard (Oyo) Yoruba, although it’s retained and still prominent in both northeast and southeast variants of Yoruba and in Igala. This suggests it’s an older inherited sound that changes in the Oyo-speaking region.

Might be interesting insights for anyone interested in this.

Thank you so so so so much for this.

A whole lot of things just made sense now.

I have worried long and hard about this term "Ogie" and what sister term it is cognate with in the Yoruba lexicon.

Someone here on Nairaland once suggested "Okin". "Okin" made sense to me at first, but the obvious setback with that suggestion was its femininity.

I understand why "Ooye"/"Oloye" makes absolute sense as cognate with "Ogie".

That elliding/elongating thing is everywhere in modern Yoruba. From "Oghene"/"Ooni", to "Oduduwa"/"Oodua", and so on.

It is at this point that some of Bondarenko's terms and views become super clear to me.

I have long wondered why he never refers to the Edoid people's general socio-political organization as "Kingdom".

He always says "Chiefdom" and sometimes for the pre-Oba Bini era he uses "Supra-Chiefdom".

I now see clearly why he maintained that what the first three Ogisos came from Ife to establish in Edo land is NOT "Kingdom".

He particularly called it "Supreme Supra-Chiefdom". (See attached). Elsewhere he also writes:

"Oba ... is also the generic notion for designating supreme rulers' titles all over Yorubaland ... In the meantime none of the Edo-speaking peoples' rulers is called so except that of Bini*. Possibly, the point here is that the title of Oba could be associated not with a ruler in general but with a sovereign of particular type --- one governing a society with a very complex organization. Only the Benin rulers could correspond to the Yoruba "standard" in the Edo-speaking world, where other rulers governed societies whose complexity did not exceed the chiefdom level." --- Bondarenko, (2003), p.71.

In summary, these folks (the Edoid people as a whole) couldn't evolve society to the "Kingdom" level complexity!!! Wow This is eye-opening.

Even the Binis among them who later appeared to have done so (from around the 13th century) could not do so until the Yorubas had to come in for the 2nd time (but this time permanently) to do it for them. Hmmm!

They never on their own had the concept of "Kingdom", wow

Who else should be eternally grateful to the Yorubas if not the Binis particularly??

Thanks for the clarification.