gregyboy:


If you can reference me anywere in European account were they recorded benin and ife had contact over thier 600years trading in benin

If you have any archeological record to replace documented account fine that will be nice


There is a need now to retrace our true history that was altered in the former western all in a bid to yorubanise everyone

macof:


But for God's sake isn't this stupid?
Why on earth should absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence?
West Africans had their own history and told their own history themselves you know

For example we know from local accounts that Bini had trading contacts with Kumasi. The initial camp at Lagos is assumed by some historians to be for the very purpose of facilitating further trade
No European account will tell you this, does that mean no such trade occurred?

And what's this about archeological evidence for a place name? One would think language is the bases of toponyms to be studied through linguistics not material artifacts relevant to archaeology

You want to form evidence based sceptic but when you don't know what serves as evidence on West African history what sort of yeye sceptic is that?

macof:


But for God's sake isn't this stupid?
Why on earth should absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence?
West Africans had their own history and told their own history themselves you know

For example we know from local accounts that Bini had trading contacts with Kumasi. The initial camp at Lagos is assumed by some historians to be for the very purpose of facilitating further trade
No European account will tell you this, does that mean no such trade occurred?

And what's this about archeological evidence for a place name? One would think language is the bases of toponyms to be studied through linguistics not material artifacts relevant to archaeology

You want to form evidence based sceptic but when you don't know what serves as evidence on West African history what sort of yeye sceptic is that?

macof:


But for God's sake isn't this stupid?
Why on earth should absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence?
West Africans had their own history and told their own history themselves you know

For example we know from local accounts that Bini had trading contacts with Kumasi. The initial camp at Lagos is assumed by some historians to be for the very purpose of facilitating further trade
No European account will tell you this, does that mean no such trade occurred?

And what's this about archeological evidence for a place name? One would think language is the bases of toponyms to be studied through linguistics not material artifacts relevant to archaeology

You want to form evidence based sceptic but when you don't know what serves as evidence on West African history what sort of yeye sceptic is that?

macof:


But for God's sake isn't this stupid?
Why on earth should absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence?
West Africans had their own history and told their own history themselves you know

For example we know from local accounts that Bini had trading contacts with Kumasi. The initial camp at Lagos is assumed by some historians to be for the very purpose of facilitating further trade
No European account will tell you this, does that mean no such trade occurred?

And what's this about archeological evidence for a place name? One would think language is the bases of toponyms to be studied through linguistics not material artifacts relevant to archaeology

You want to form evidence based sceptic but when you don't know what serves as evidence on West African history what sort of yeye sceptic is that?

Edeyoung:



You forgot that the same article he quoted was written by a European


That is not an excuse my friend.

If he cant bring written document then he should bring archeological findings

macof:


There are actually written records by Europeans mentioning the oba of Benin confirming his ascension with the Ooni of Ife

1. Pic: Screenshot from "Studies in Urhobo Culture" by Peter Palmer Ekeh... this shows that The name "Oghene" used by several people to refer to the King of Ife.


2. Pic: Screenshoot from "Art in Ancient Ife: Birthplace of the Yoruba" by Suzanne Blier


But my earlier post was to correct your ridiculous notion that absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence
I didn't know that you binis think so low of yourselves in the face of Europeans
So now, Europeans must tell you what Bini history is
Tufiakwa!!!

gregyboy:



You think we will descredit everything our oba said for self gains
I don't think so


Oghene has already been disproved

So rest

macof:
what concerns me with what you think of your oba? Is it not because you see that your ekaladaran - oduduwa nonsense isn't taken seriously that you have resorted to outrightly denying oduduwa

disproved by who?

gregyboy:



Oghene is nupe, ife, Zimbabwe


Among the three ife is the least considered

Ife has been finally removed,
Because there was never a relationship with benin

MetaPhysical:
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Oba is in Yorubaland. Your monarch is Omo Oba....a descendant of Oba!

Opiletool:
But your Omonoba said Oranmiyan came to Benin and he's the first Oba of Benin before calling you guys angry birds and went back to found oyo. Wetin this ones dey talk again?

valirex:


Angry birds you say, and we ate your people like cockroaches

babtoundey:
Oghene is Nupe, Igala, Zimbabwe, Birnin-Kebbi, Benin Republic, Togo, Ghana, Japan and Australia.

gregyboy:



... Among the three Ife is the least considered ...

Getsmart2
... No Yoruba was called Oba in precolonial days!

If any Yoruba can prove me wrong then do so !

(Produce a precolonial text calling a Yoruba monarch oba ...

gregyboy:

The name benin was coined by the itsekiri unlike the initial belive that would attribute it to ife, many scholars had disproved the ife-benin connections as false, there was a need to look deeper into the true history, and it happened that the Portuguese while sailing the niger coast came in contact firstly with the itsekiri who had introduced them to their superior power of the niger areas which were the edo peole as they were called at that very time, edo had gotten its name less than a century before the Portuguese arrival, the itsekiri had told the Portuguese that the benin people were very violent people and it wasn't a place to vist by visitors they had called it ile binu, land of anger which the Portuguese corrupted as benin
Egharevba who was the first benin historian in the former western region had tried to link all benin acount directly to ife, his first publication a short story of benin published 1939, was first rejected by the ibadan printing press which happen to be the only printing press in the then western region, egharevba had later gone to ulter his original works relating the benins directly to ife....

BabaRamota1980:


You this little boy you lack sense. You said when the Portuguese arrived to the Itsekiri. Did you not read that Itsekiri was independent of Bini? Did you not also read that Bini was dependent on a foreing King, an Oghene?

What is oghene in your language?

valirex:


Alright, but I will hate for our people to grow cold

valirex:


What's your proof that itesekiri was independent?

gregyboy:



the ife-benin [relationship] ...

No foreign scholars agrees to it ...

gregyboy:



The itsekiri ... are from the ogiemen family

TAO11:


No! The Itsekiris are an indigenous Yoruba sub-group.

The Itsekiris made Ginuwa (a son of the Benin Oba circa15th century) as its "Ogiamen" (i.e. "King who rules the land" ) under the Yoruba title "Olu".


You have obviously confused yourself by taking this to mean that the Itsekiris are descended from an Igodomigodo family (non-Yorubas) who also go by the same name, "Ogiamen".

The Itsekiri (just as any other Yoruba subgroup) will never make anyone their King when such person is not paternally descended as a Yoruba.

In sum, the Itsekiris are a Yoruba subgroup, and their surviving monarchy is Yoruba (from Benin's Oba dynasty), not from some savage forest dwelling Ogiamen of Igodomigodo.


cc: valirex

valirex:


Now this is where you went wrong.

Warri Is An Extension Of Benin Kingdom, Says Olu Of Warri: http://thereliancenewspaper.com.ng/2018/07/25/warri-is-an-extension-of-benin-kingdom-says-olu-of-warri/

TAO11:


I am waiting for you to point out the so-called "wHeRe yOu wEnT wRoNg" from my comment.


Listen, you appear m0r0nic when you spend your time preparing a comment in response to another comment you never read.

valirex:


Don't insult me again, you would hate me if I go ballistic. A word they say is enough for the wise

TAO12:


Omg! I'm scared!! /s

I remarked that it makes you appear m0r0nic when you put in effort to type up replies to something you never read.

Now, you interpreted that to mean that I already deemed you a m0r0n.

Your interpretation just confirmed my earlier doubt and hesitation.

TAO11:


Why not!? As soon as you produce a precolonial text calling a Benin monarch "Oba".

However, if what you need is proof that the word "Oba" is originally and indigenously a Yoruba word, then refer to the link below, where I also showed (using etymological analysis) that the word "Oba" is no where to be found in the Edo lexicon.

https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/34#88452912