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tbaba1234:
Captain, what's up? Glad to see you here.

TheGoodJoe:
Whether a child or adult, physical activity affects the skeleton. I did not post the study as a direct response to the answer but to point terms for understanding the bolded.

The BMC and BMD are used in determining this. It is impossible for physical activity not to affect the fusion of bones in the wrists which is what the scan is about.

An excerpt from an article.

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A child's skeletal system shows pronounced adaptive changes to intensive sports training. The growing skeleton is said to be more responsive than the mature skeleton to the osteotrophic effect of exercise.

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A potential problem with physical activity and exercise on the epiphyseal plates is over-activity.

Reference:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194019/

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My point posting the excerpts from articles is to show that physical activities affect bone development. Ndidi was under intense physical activity for a long time. There seems to be a relation between physical activities and fusion of bones.

chidi1:
Can you show me where the article explicitly said intense exercise leads to early fusion of the epiphseal growth plates? Actual[img][/img]ly, go back and read the same article you just showed me again, it can be inferred that intense exercise actually hinder the fusion of the epiphseal growth plates. This can hence be adduced to mean prolonging the time of fusion of the growth plates.

TheGoodJoe:
The point raised on inactivity is due noted but does not in any way dispel that it could also lead to over activity. The point is, intense physical activity affects it.

How it affects it can be up for a research. From my study and from the few I have shown, there is a clear relationship between the fusion of bones and physical activity.

chidi1:
Oga, there is NO study that has proven a relationship between intense exercise to early fusion of growth plates. On the contrary, exercise is encouraged in kids for healthy growth of the kid. Every other assumption you are making now is theoretical and not based on FACTS.

jihday:

TheGoodJoe:
I am going through your words and I see you adding nothing to the point. This is something I have looked into and tried to get a deep understanding.

I did not and never frowned at the MRI. I am a very big supporter of it. Your assertion up there makes it look as if I or many Nigerians frown at the MRI. I have said it is something we have accepted. I have repeatedly said do not tag those that fail the test over aged. Why? Because of the accuracy is not 100%. It is good at screening out old players but young players get caught in the crossfire.

Ndidi, growing up was smaller than his peers. I am pointing this out because you made a wild suggestion of Ndidi being 28, forgetting he grew up under the watch of a coach. The screenshot below shows it.

Finally, I am okay with MRI screenings but I tried to understand why some young African players fail the test. If Maduabuchi Obinwa was not captured at birth, he would have been tagged an overage cheat. This changed my notion of failed MRI are age cheats.

Ndidi's case sparked my curiosity because we lost a supposedly special talent in the U17 team because of the test. Today, Ndidi is one of the most hardworking players in World football, if not the most hardworking. He attributed this to the highly intense training he was put under a long period by Nduka Ugbade. That was where I drew my hypothesis and did some research.

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Physical activity on competitive level and the skeleton

Today, there is compelling evidence indicating that physical activity affects the skeleton and the Bone Mineral Content (BMC) and Bone Mineral Density (BMD) in an anabolic way.

The first study that addressed this hypothesis showed that athletes subjected to high load activities had 10–20% higher BMD compared to the controls.

Further cross-sectional studies (note this is the MRI scan) supported this view when comparing the dominant and non-dominant arm in racket players, a study design that controlled for the genetic regulation of the BMC. The BMC was 25–35% higher among professional tennis players in the dominant arm compared to the non-dominant arm.

Reference:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596740/

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To give you a few enlightenment, the MRI scan is directly related to the development of the skeleton of the human body.

Ndidi being smaller than his peers and then growing huge, defeats your wild idea of 28 years.

chidi1:
My man, don't argue on what you have no clue about. To use very basic layman's term, bone mass (the actual bone) is different from a joint (where two bones meet).

Joint ossification and fusion occurs between 15-18 years of age for boys ( although there are outliners, but in about 99% of boys complete joint fusion occurs after age 17). Ossification (laying of bone mineral content to a cartilage, to convert it to bone) is one of the process involved in fusion of joints.. I read the article. All participants of the study were over the age of at least 20. It cannot be correlated to early ossification and bone fusion.
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On the other hand, bone density refers to how thick a bone is. The article only says THE MORE YOU EXERCISE THE THICKER YOUR BONES ARE. In the context of OSTEOPOROSIS, we all loose bone mass the older we get (osteoporosis in layman's term is brittle porous bones; think old women with hunch back that breaks a bone after a fall). Men at baseline have THICKER bones than women, that is why osteoporosis is more common in women (women start their bone loss at a lesser bone density compared to men). This article can hence be inferred clinically to mean that with all the thick bone density accumulated during your days of exercise, you are less prone to osteoporosis when you are older, as you start to loose bone mass.

elyte89:
We were not outplayed at all...we could av won dt match if it extended to extra time,cos it was obvious d Algerians were so tired...however, NDIDI COST US D MATCH , Not Akpeyi

benji93:
What is your problem now? . I never claimed my eye test was scientific. Before the advent of the MRI test, didn't most of us know our players have not been truthful about their ages? How did we come to that conclusion? By science? You seem to uphold the scientific process so much, yet that guy failed the test. My point is that the scientific process you so much believe in doesn't help you. And don't mention the fact that a few guys that are actually below 17 failed the test. Cos that argument is stale.

benji93:
What is your problem now? . I never claimed my eye test was scientific. Before the advent of the MRI test, didn't most of us know our players have not been truthful about their ages? How did we come to that conclusion? By science? You seem to uphold the scientific process so much, yet that guy failed the test. My point is that the scientific process you so much believe in doesn't help you. And don't mention the fact that a few guys that are actually below 17 failed the test. Cos that argument is stale.

Joebie:
Ndidi past the MRI test until just before the World Cup, showing he was close to the border at least. Mikel never took that test because it wasn’t a standard then. and you expect me to sit down and listen to your lesson i. eye test? We have moved past that time. Some people look older or younger naturally. It’s an argument that no get head and tail.

Humility017:
but still I think Uzoho would have save that F. kick
simply put both Akpeyi and Ndidi cost US that match and this guy Called Henry Onyekuru missed a beautiful chance inside the Algeria 18 yard box something he should play a direct ground shot or pass the ball but rather played it up to high heavens

TheGoodJoe:
I do not think Ndidi failed MRI due to being overage but excess training. If you read about his early days with Ugbade, you will notice how tedious the training Ndidi faced and how some players gave up because they could not deal with it.

‘Take the ball and pass’ – keeping it simple pays dividends
The discipline he developed from being coached by Ugbade meant he treated every game equally – competitive or friendly – and his big chance to impress the wider world came in a tournament in Nigeria, where international scouts were watching.

https://bestchoicesports.com.ng/how-nduka-ugbade-disvovered-wilfred-ndidi-europes-top-tackler-at-leicester/

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[color=#000099]Same thing I feel happened with Maduka Obinwa who despite being within the age limit failed the MRI scan.

benji93:
. Ndidi passed the MRI test just before the World Cup? What bullshit. Source, please. The MRI test was conducted during the under 17 championship in Morocco and Ndidi was one of 3 Nigerian players who failed. The bottom line is that he failed the test. A guess of his actual age is within my discretion. Take it or leave it.

Subzero047:
Miguel Azeez highlights

https://twitter.com/MiguelAzeezz/status/1252393506972164097?s=19[/quote]highlly rated in arsenal

barackodam:
Ndidi and Nacho were in the same class?

Or isn't that KC I'm seeing?

TheGoodJoe:
Yes. It is Iheanacho and Musa Yahaya.

TheGoodJoe:
It is a hypothesis I posted and I did that due to information from sources. There is no sign that Ndidi did not have a healthy growth. Same with Maduabuchi Obinwa. The thing about these guys was that they developed faster than regular kids.

That is why the percentage of error is noted in the test. Because, some kids can develop faster than normal.

Because you have not seen a study on the relationship between early fusion of plates and intense exercise can not rule out the possibility.

What matters is that fusion of plates is affected by intense exercise. To find out the degree is up for research. Not that it is not true.

Signing out.

Finito.

Meliforme:
I think the bolded summarises the entirety of what TheGoodJoe is trying to explain to you.

Even from your own points, you are yet to grasp it.

Subzero047:
Miguel Azeez highlights

https://twitter.com/MiguelAzeezz/status/1252393506972164097?s=19[/quote]This particular edit won't do the lad any good, nothing spectacular in that video. He needs to dig more

jihday:

Joebie:
I meant to say prior to the U17 AFCON, that does not change the fact he passed several MRI tests until that point. Do your research. You want to argue with me based on your eye test opinions. I have better discussions to engage in.

chidi1:
Then it may not be a good idea to use unverified hypotheses to reach concrete assertions!!!!

chidi1:
Then it may not be a good idea to use unverified hypotheses to reach concrete assertions!!!!

barackodam:
Ndidi and Nacho were in the same class?

Or isn't that KC I'm seeing?

chidi1:
Chief, I suggest you read the article before giving your opinion. Ossification of bone occurs in both bone density formation and in epiphseal joint fusions. The article only mentioned ossification due to bone density ( not due to epiphseal joint fusion). I made the statement you highlighted to enlighten the initial writer on what I perceived was his misconstrued understanding of the article. Please read his bolded again and compare it to my explanation.

"Primary ossification centers only show minimal bone calcification density (BMD)."

daveP:
Taribo must have been a comical at Inter. Saw the one Zanetti said he invited his teammates to him home for dinner and then when it was time to eat, he enter prayer mode for 3hrs... They had to lesve without eating anything.

They enjoyed him though. His dressing prayers at halftime when they needed a win, etc. Lol