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CANTICLES:
You would have made sense but you lose it when you didn't realize . ABRAHAM CANNOT BEGET A CHILD ALONE.The point still stands . Begotten means brought into existence. And Isaac is the only one he got by promise to Sarah .


Now God has how many wives or how does God beget and brought into existence his own sons ?

No matter how u wan turn am. Abraham had other children.

The bible never stayed that Jesus was created. So applying Abraham logic to God is outright foolishness

Show me the verse where God created Jesus

sonmvayina:
It is detrimental to our development..don't you get it?

When FREEDOM is declared, it comes with a cost.
It depends on which side of the coin you are looking at, you're free to make your own choice without depriving others of theirs. Nobody will ever force anybody to accept anything by force anymore, so it's better to learn new techniques to preach what you know!

freshboi88:
No matter how u wan turn am. Abraham had other children.

God also has other children. other sons ... Silly no matter how u turn am , .

BEGOTTEN means Brought into existence , anyone begotten has a beginning

You are in trouble

The bible never stayed that Jesus was created. So applying Abraham logic to God is outright foolishness

Show me the verse where God created Jesus

Revelation 2:18 Jesus is a " Son of God "

Luke 1:35 Adam is a " Son of God "

Job 38:4-7 angels are " Sons of God "


What's the similarities between all of them As creation ? Who father them all ?

CANTICLES:
God also has other children. other sons ... Silly no matter how u turn am , .

BEGOTTEN means Brought into existence , anyone begotten has a beginning

You are in trouble



Revelation 2:18 Jesus is a " Son of God "

Luke 1:35 Adam is a " Son of God "

Job 38:4-7 angels are " Sons of God "


What's the similarities between all of them As creation ? Who father them all ?

New International Version
Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Adam didn't create all things
Angels didn't create all things

Jesus did....All things were created in him, through him and for him.. Even you, u were created through him, in him and for him. And u turn around and question his Divinity. God forgive u.

If Jesus is created then he must be part of all things. Meaning Jesus was created through Jesus.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

Colossians 1:15, 16 says of Jesus: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth . . . All other things have been created through him and for him.” So in heaven almighty God directly created his Son and then “by means of him,” or “through him,” created other things, much as a skilled workman might have a trained employee do work for him. Those things created “by means of him” did not include Jesus himself, for God had already created him. Thus, he is called the “firstborn,” the “only-begotten.” When a child is the firstborn, the only-begotten, it never means that the child is the same as the father. It always means that there are two different personalities involved, father and child.

Proverbs 8:22-31. NWT “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. . . . Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains . . . When he prepared the heavens I was there; . . . then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, . . . and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.”

The book of Proverbs says that long ago wisdom was beside Jehovah, the Creator, as “a master worker.” That certainly applies to Jesus. Long before he came to earth, Jesus worked so closely with Jehovah that God’s Word says: “He is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.”​— Colossians 1:17; Revelation 3:14 .

joyandfaith:
Colossians 1:15, 16 says of Jesus: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth . . . All other things have been created through him and for him.” So in heaven almighty God directly created his Son and then “by means of him,” or “through him,” created other things, much as a skilled workman might have a trained employee do work for him. Those things created “by means of him” did not include Jesus himself, for God had already created him. Thus, he is called the “firstborn,” the “only-begotten.” When a child is the firstborn, the only-begotten, it never means that the child is the same as the father. It always means that there are two different personalities involved, father and child.

New International Version
col 1:16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

New Living Translation
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

English Standard Version
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Berean Study Bible
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Berean Literal Bible
because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

New American Standard Bible
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

King James Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through him and for him.

Contemporary English Version
Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him.

Good News Translation
For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

International Standard Version
For by him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether they are kings, lords, rulers, or powers. All things have been created through him and for him.

NET Bible
for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him--all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers--all things were created through him and for him.

New Heart English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created by him and for him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers- everything has been created through him and for him.

New American Standard 1977
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.

King James 2000 Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American King James Version
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American Standard Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Douay-Rheims Bible
For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

Darby Bible Translation
because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.

English Revised Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Webster's Bible Translation
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Weymouth New Testament
For in Him was created the universe of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, thrones, dominions, princedoms, powers--all were created, and exist through and for Him.

World English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.

Young's Literal Translation
because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Can u show me the translation tht says all other things

I can't seem to find it in all these translations. They all say ALL THINGS

freshboi88:
New International Version
col 1:16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

New Living Translation
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

English Standard Version
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Berean Study Bible
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Berean Literal Bible
because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

New American Standard Bible
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

King James Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through him and for him.

Contemporary English Version
Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him.

Good News Translation
For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

International Standard Version
For by him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether they are kings, lords, rulers, or powers. All things have been created through him and for him.

NET Bible
for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him--all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers--all things were created through him and for him.

New Heart English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created by him and for him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers- everything has been created through him and for him.

New American Standard 1977
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.

King James 2000 Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American King James Version
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American Standard Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Douay-Rheims Bible
For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

Darby Bible Translation
because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.

English Revised Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Webster's Bible Translation
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Weymouth New Testament
For in Him was created the universe of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, thrones, dominions, princedoms, powers--all were created, and exist through and for Him.

World English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.

Young's Literal Translation
because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Can u show me the translation tht says all other things

I can't seem to find it in all these translations. They all say ALL THINGS

All other things or all things are just different of original verses in Greek.
Compare these verses
Colossians 1:15-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Rev 3:14 ASB
14And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

Proverbs 8:22-31 American Standard Version (ASV)

22 Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way,
[c]Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills was I brought forth;
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields,
Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there:
When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,
28 When he made firm the skies above,
When the fountains of the deep became strong,
29 When he gave to the sea its bound,
That the waters should not transgress his commandment,
When he marked out the foundations of the earth;
30 Then I was by him, as a master workman;
And I was daily his delight,
Rejoicing always before him,
31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth;
And my delight was with the sons of men.

Question
who is beginning of creation of God, firstborn of all creation and master worker?

joyandfaith:
All other things or all things are just different of original verses in Greek.
Compare these verses
Colossians 1:15-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Rev 3:14 ASB
14And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

Proverbs 8:22-31 American Standard Version (ASV)

22 Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way,
[c]Before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
Before the earth was.
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills was I brought forth;
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields,
Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there:
When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,
28 When he made firm the skies above,
When the fountains of the deep became strong,
29 When he gave to the sea its bound,
That the waters should not transgress his commandment,
When he marked out the foundations of the earth;
30 Then I was by him, as a master workman;
And I was daily his delight,
Rejoicing always before him,
31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth;
And my delight was with the sons of men.

Question
who is beginning of creation of God, firstborn of all creation and master worker?

There is a lot of ambiguity in your response. First the bolded doesn't help ur case.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

I asked u to provide the verse where u said all other things have been created through him. U couldn't find, I guess.

Now u went ahead to quote proverbs 8. In the whole of proverbs 8, Jesus or Son of God or Son of Man or anything that relates to Jesus isnt mentioned. If there is, pls show me. All u have is just Ur mere interpretation of a certain part of that chapter. Because I know verses 2 and 3 was referring to a she.

Are u aware that beginning has different meanings depending on the context it is been used?

Beginning can mean the origin or source of something. This context is what is consistent with scripture. John 1:4, col 1:16, 1cor 15:45

New International Version
1cor 15:45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

A Life-giving Spirit is a source or originator or the beginning of Life. This is how the scripture describes Jesus, a Life-giving Spirit.

Notice tht u base ur doctrine on your interpretations of proverbs 8, which has no relationship with Christ. I base mine on wht scripture says about Jesus and is consistent across scripture.

If u want to know more about Jesus and his Divinity. Let me know, I'll lecture u. We can even have a phone conversation n we would talk bout this

freshboi88:
There is a lot of ambiguity in your response. First the bolded doesn't help ur case.

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

I asked u to provide the verse where u said all other things have been created through him. I couldn't find, I guess.

Now u went ahead to quote proverbs 8. In the whole of proverbs 8, Jesus or Son of God or Son of Man or anything that relates to Jesus is mentioned. If there is, pls show me. All u have is just Ur mere interpretation of a certain part of that chapter. Because I know verses 2 and 3 was referring to a she.

Are u aware that beginning has different meanings.

you also agreed that master worker in pro 8:22-31 is Jesus who created by Jehovah. Jesus is firsborn of all creation as mentioned Col 1:15-16. If you compare above to Rev 3:14, Jesus was beginning of God creation unless you want to bring your personal interpretation of beginning.

joyandfaith:
you also agreed that master worker in pro 8:22-31 is Jesus who created by Jehovah. Jesus is firsborn of all creation as mentioned Col 1:15-16. If you compare above to Rev 3:14, Jesus was beginning of God creation unless you want to bring your personal interpretation of beginning.

I never agreed to proverbs 8 and I said there's no correlation with Jesus in proverbs 8. I quoted verses 2-4 of proverbs 8 and it was referring to understanding and wisdom.

Can u point out where Jesus was mentioned in proverbs 8?

I have quoted 3 verses tht counters Ur Jesus created by Jehovah thrash.

col 1:16 All things were created in him, through him and for him.

Going by this verse, if Jesus is created then, Jesus created Jesus.

I challenge u to show me a bible verse that says God created Jesus first.

For beginning I said u r looking at only 1 meaning when the word has other meanings.i hve attached other dictionary meaning of beginning....read it n look at the synonyms

freshboi88:
I never agreed to proverbs 8 and I said there's no correlation with Jesus in proverbs 8. I quoted verses 2-4 of proverbs 8 and it was referring to understanding and wisdom.

Can u point out where Jesus was mentioned in proverbs 8?

I have quoted 3 verses tht counters Ur Jesus created by Jehovah thrash.

col 1:16 All things were created in him, through him and for him.

Going by this verse, if Jesus is created then, Jesus created Jesus.

I challenge u to show me a bible verse that says God created Jesus first.

For beginning I said u r looking at only 1 meaning when the word has other meanings.i hve attached other dictionary meaning of beginning....read it n look at the synonyms

Pro 8:22-31, Col 1:15,16, Rev 3:14. Read those verses carefully

freshboi88:
New International Version
col 1:16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

New Living Translation
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

English Standard Version
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Berean Study Bible
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Berean Literal Bible
because in Him were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him.

New American Standard Bible
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

King James Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through him and for him.

Contemporary English Version
Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him.

Good News Translation
For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

International Standard Version
For by him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether they are kings, lords, rulers, or powers. All things have been created through him and for him.

NET Bible
for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him--all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers--all things were created through him and for him.

New Heart English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities; all things have been created by him and for him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By him was everything created which is in Heaven and in The Earth: everything that is seen and everything that is unseen, whether Thrones or Dominions or Principalities or Rulers; everything has been created by his hand and in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers- everything has been created through him and for him.

New American Standard 1977
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.

King James 2000 Bible
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American King James Version
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

American Standard Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Douay-Rheims Bible
For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.

Darby Bible Translation
because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.

English Revised Version
for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

Webster's Bible Translation
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Weymouth New Testament
For in Him was created the universe of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, thrones, dominions, princedoms, powers--all were created, and exist through and for Him.

World English Bible
For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.

Young's Literal Translation
because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Can u show me the translation tht says all other things

I can't seem to find it in all these translations. They all say ALL THINGS

Freshboi88, Did Jesus Christ create his Father?

Mumu Virus is worse than Corona....

* Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.1Cor1:24,30
FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE


FRESHBOI88, Liberate Yourself from Trinity GIBBERISH

Janosky:
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Mumu Virus is worse than Corona....

* Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22
FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE

Freshboi88, Did Jesus Christ create his Father?

FRESHBOI88, Liberate Yourself from Trinity GIBBERISH

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You have not said nything all these verses u have quoted no one has said God created Jesus first. Nah akpu full Ur brain

joyandfaith:
Pro 8:22-31, Col 1:15,16, Rev 3:14. Read those verses carefully

It's not a matter of me reading it carefully. I quoted col 1:16 to help my cause. If tht verse says everything was created by, through and for Jesus. Then that alone counters all ur Jesus creation story. Do u get now?

Now u tell me how col 1:15-16 helps ur case

freshboi88:
You have not said nything all these verses u have quoted no one has said God created Jesus first. Nah akpu full Ur brain

freshboi88:
No matter how u wan turn am. Abraham had other children.

The bible never stayed that Jesus was created. So applying Abraham logic to God is outright foolishness

Show me the verse where God created Jesus

Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.1Cor1:24,30.

*Evidence No 4.
Ephesians 3:14-15. John 20:17. Rev 3:5,12.

FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE


If Freshboi88 get liver, I challenge am to PASTE HERE ALL THESE Scriptures, *Evidence 1,2 & 3

freshboi88:
It's not a matter of me reading it carefully. I quoted col 1:16 to help my cause. If tht verse says everything was created by, through and for Jesus. Then that alone counters all ur Jesus creation story. Do u get now?

Now u tell me how col 1:15-16 helps ur case

Jesus is firstborn of all creation in heaven and earth. mind you all angels and humans are children of God. God created Jesus and he helped in creating other things as master worker as we read in prov 8

joyandfaith:
Jesus is firstborn of all creation in heaven and earth. mind you all angels and humans are children of God. God created Jesus and he helped in creating other things as master worker as we read in prov 8

God created Jesus and yet Everything was created through, by and for the same Jesus?......are u okay at all... Think nah.

The bible says everything was created through, by and for Jesus and The bible called Jesus a Life- giving Spirit. Are u denying this?

Janosky:
Evidence No 1
Romans 11:35-36 , you done komot am from your Bible ?

*Evidence No2
Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19 you done DELETE THEM FROM YOUR BIBLE?

* Evidence No 3:
Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22.1Cor1:24,30.

*Evidence No 4.
Ephesians 3:14-15. John 20:17. Rev 3:5,12.

FRESHBOI88 MUST HAVE REMOVED ALL THESE VERSES FROM HIS OWN BIBLE


If Freshboi88 get liver, I challenge am to PASTE HERE ALL THESE Scriptures, *Evidence 1,2 & 3

I am not the one paste ur scriptural backing for ur lies. When I want to put out my point. I paste my scriptural reference and my explanation of tht verse for all to see.

So u c u r just making noise. U know wht they say about empty barrels. I'm sure u do

freshboi88:
God created Jesus and yet Everything was created through, by and for the same Jesus?......are u okay at all... Think nah.

The bible says everything was created through, by and for Jesus and The bible called Jesus a Life- giving Spirit. Are u denying this?

because after God created Jesus. then God used Jesus Christ as master worker in creating all angels and humans.

  1 Cor 15: 45So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Do u see reason why Jesus is called life-giving spirit. please read 1 cor 15 slowly and prayerful.

freshboi88:
I am not the one paste ur scriptural backing for ur lies. When I want to put out my point. I paste my scriptural reference and my explanation of tht verse for all to see.

So u c u r just making noise. U know wht they say about empty barrels. I'm sure u do

try to read all verses he mentioned slowly and prayerful without being sentimental. you stand to learn more.

freshboi88:
God created Jesus and yet Everything was created through, by and for the same Jesus?......are u okay at all... Think nah.

The bible says everything was created through, by and for Jesus and The bible called Jesus a Life- giving Spirit. Are u denying this?

Selective amnesia leads Freshboi88 to cherry picking.....

Romans 11:35-36

35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

Ephesians 3:14-15, "Every family in heaven and earth owes their name to the Father"


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Every one in heaven including Jesus Christ are CREATURES of the Father.
Jesus says "My Father and your Father" in heaven (Revelation3:5,11,12) and earth (John 20:17)
If this Bible TRUTH is unacceptable to you, Omo go and write your own Bible.
It's not by force to ACCEPT Jesus words in heaven and earth.

Shalom.

joyandfaith:
try to read all verses he mentioned slowly and prayerful without being sentimental. you stand to learn more.

Freshboi88 mind done tell am & he knows his Trinity GIBBERISH have met it's Waterloo here... If he get Liver to PASTE ALL these 4 Evidences from his own Bible. .

Anybody who argues against them has confirmed himself to be Enemy of Jesus Christ.

Janosky:
Selective amnesia leads Freshboi88 to cherry picking.....

Romans 11:35-36

35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

Ephesians 3:14-15, "Every family in heaven and earth owes their name to the Father"


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Every one in heaven including Jesus Christ are CREATURES of the Father.
Jesus says "My Father and your Father" in heaven (Revelation3:5,11,12) and earth (John 20:17)
If this Bible TRUTH is unacceptable to you, Omo go and write your own Bible.
It's not by force to ACCEPT Jesus words in heaven and earth.

Shalom.

Romans 11:35. Shows Jesus is God.

36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy, then The Son and then The Holy Spirit. So u c u have not proven anything with this verse. It doesn't help Ur case

Jesus says My Father doesn't help Ur cause either due to the explanation above.

U on the other hand have failed to explain how all things were created through Jesus. Including Jesus since u say he is created

Did Jesus create Jesus

joyandfaith:
try to read all verses he mentioned slowly and prayerful without being sentimental. you stand to learn more.

Read col 1:16 slowly, dnt infuse what's not there to help Ur cause.

All things were created through, by and for Jesus....look at this critically n juxtapose thus with all u have said.

As for Janosky I just quashed all the verses he put up Der as it has to proof that Jesus is created

joyandfaith:
because after God created Jesus. then God used Jesus Christ as master worker in creating all angels and humans.

  1 Cor 15: 45So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Do u see reason why Jesus is called life-giving spirit. please read 1 cor 15 slowly and prayerful.

Show me the verse that says God created Jesus and created other things after that


No, I didn't see explain the correlation

Janosky:
Freshboi88 mind done tell am & he knows his Trinity GIBBERISH have met it's Waterloo here... If he get Liver to PASTE ALL these 4 Evidences from his own Bible. .

Anybody who argues against them has confirmed himself to be Enemy of Jesus Christ.

I quashed all Ur half baked evidence with one explanation. Sorry, it must hurt so much.

Why is Jesus called a Life giving Spirit...ansa this one first.....

Homework....go and do research, u can ask Ur pastor if it is beyond u, or better still call Ur pastor cos he go still chop am for my hand

freshboi88:
Romans 11:35. Shows Jesus is God
36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy,

36. Affirms that 35 is referring to Jesus cos For from him and through him and for him are all things. This same verse is referenced in John 1::4, col 1:16 which pointed to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3 proves nothing... remember 1 God but three persons, same in form, essence and nature.The Father comes first in the hierarchy, then The Son and then The Holy Spirit. So u c u have not proven anything with this verse. It doesn't help Ur case

Jesus says My Father doesn't help Ur cause either due to the explanation above.

U on the other hand have failed to explain how all things were created through Jesus. Including Jesus since u say he is created

Did Jesus create Jesus

Freshboi88 FALSELY claimed the 4 Evidences from his own Bible are LIES...

*6 Bible based questions Freshboi DODGED and ran away from...

Freshboi88 enjoy your LIES , Your PERPETUAL SELF DECEPTION & SELECTIVE AMNESIA..
Confirmed Enemy of Jesus Christ.
Congratulations..

freshboi88:
New International Version
Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Adam didn't create all things
Angels didn't create all things

Jesus did....All things were created in him, through him and for him.. Even you, u were created through him, in him and for him. And u turn around and question his Divinity. God forgive u.

If Jesus is created then he must be part of [b]all things. [/b]

Yeah , All things that was made by the Father . that's why Jesus BELONG to the Father .

Meaning Jesus was created through Jesus.

You would have made sense if the bible didn't say the Someone passed through the Father.

Hebrews 2:10

" It was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering as part of his plan to glorify many children,


Someone passed through the Father remember ?

Freshboi88 , the only problem you have now is identify what passed through the Father , for something to pass through the Father it means what passed through the Father needed no Jesus to be made. It was made and Through the Father himself [ NOT Through Jesus ]

freshboi88:
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New International Version
Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Adam didn't create all things
Angels didn't create all things

Jesus did....All things were created in him, through him and for him.. Even you, u were created through him, in him and for him. And u turn around and question his Divinity. God forgive u.

If Jesus is created then he must be part of all things. Meaning Jesus was created through Jesus. [s]

Begotten means brought into existence .. And The Father dont need Jesus to make Jesus . The Father made Jesus Through himself. Heb 2:10

You are shouting God need Jesus to make Jesus , forgetting that the bible explains that someone was made through the Father too . whoooooooooo ? ? The big Question

freshboi88:
Read col 1:16 slowly, dnt infuse what's not there to help Ur cause.

All things were created through, by and for Jesus....look at this critically n juxtapose thus with all u have said.

As for Janosky I just quashed all the verses he put up Der as it has to proof that Jesus is created

which native language do you speak. you need to read col 1:15,16 in your native language. jesus is firstborn of creation. God used him to create other beings. you can harmonize col 1, prov 8: and rev 3;14. your explanation has not able to harmonize all the verses. try to do that.

CANTICLES:
Begotten means brought into existence .. And The Father dont need Jesus to make Jesus . The Father made Jesus Through himself. Heb 2:10

You are shouting God need Jesus to make Jesus , forgetting that the bible explains that someone was made through the Father too . whoooooooooo ? ? The big Question

yes