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Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by gregyboy(m): 10:32am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: Yoruba man Benin had connections with yorubas which were recorded in history but With ife NO That shit was made up in the 30s |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 10:39am On Apr 30, 2020 |
gregyboy: Ife is Yoruba and vice-versal everyone who is connected to us have to respect that. We are arguing with ourselves over frivolous stuff, yet the real enemies are out there in the outside world. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 10:44am On Apr 30, 2020 |
gregyboy: There is no escaping your servitude to your ancestral master. 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 10:49am On Apr 30, 2020 |
History is our responsibility, in certain cases we have to compromise for the greater good. Most of my Binni friends love and respect their Yoruba history, my question to those minority members of the Binni community that think it nice to disrespect Yoruba culture at every given opportunity, who's side are you on? Yoruba is an ethnicity, we will lose no sleep if we cut ties with you. A word is enough for the wise. 1 Like |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by RamessesIV(m): 11:13am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Slave trade wasn't invented by arabs,slavery was always in africa and other part of the world the economic and culturally inequality was a cause of this,arabs were not the ones that brought slavery to nigeria,arabs took slaves they got from both europe and sub-saharan Africa,north africa once had million slaves from europe,and not all african societies took part in any whether sub-saharan slave trade or trans-atlantic,it was cheaper to get slaves in large numbers from sub-saharan africa than europe,maghreb and the midde east,and slavery existed in africa just like many places in the world,india had slavery,china even had slavery even Ethiopia couldn't enter the league of nations in 1923 cause they couldn't stop the practice of slavery,(ethiopia is the oldest country in the old so i wonder how arabs taught them how to own slaves) and slavery is not white vs black,mansa musa bought turkish slave girls on his way back from mecca,slave trade was mostly economical than cultural.history is history and is not for modern cultural agendas,and Benin had slaves and sold slaves this is recorded history Benin prides itself in not "selling it's people" and not selling slaves or have slaves at all,there are other african kingdoms that came in contact with europeans and refused to sell slaves,some tribes in Liberia,even in Angola,slave trade is not an "african thing" and it's historicity in africa should not be twisted for modern "culturally/political" bias,slavery is slavery,is not a competition of which was worst,serfdom in parts of europe was just as worst as slavery in parts of nigeria but I don't see anyone in europe comparing Amujale: 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by gregyboy(m): 11:16am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: Are u insane yoruba history Which benin people..... Shut the trap We came in contact with some yorubas not all and ife hapoeans not to be one of then
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Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 11:20am On Apr 30, 2020 |
gregyboy: And that was because the exhumed heads of your Obas originally buried there were put to other sacred/ritual use before modern times. Moreover, Willett's excavation found the burial pits for the heads there. And guess what! The number of burial pits he found there in the 1960s is exactly the same as the number of Obas' heads Egharevba wrote about in the 1940s. What therefore remains standing tall in the overall analysis of the information from the attachment is that: Eye-witness account of early-1500s European writtings compiled in Benin Kingdom confirms the dynastic dependence of the Benin dynasty on Ife. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by samuk: 11:26am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: Benin have relationship in the past with various tribes that are now part of the bigger Yoruba tribe/ethnicity. The Benin recognise their relationship with the various tribes from western Nigeria at various times in history. Benin doesn't recognise a general relationship with the recently created larger Yoruba group. There is very little to write about Benin/Ijebu relationship for example and an Ijebu person hiding under the name Yoruba to claim some relationship with Benin will be a lie. Benin/Lagos relationship, Benin/Owo, Benin/Ekiti and Benin/Akure relationships are more grounded and have far more historical authenticity to them than Benin/Ife relationship that was fabricated in 1930. Whilst the Benin acknowledges our various relationships with various Yoruba tribes, we will not accept and tolerate any historical fabrications with any group under the umbrella name of Yoruba. If you are claiming Benin/Yoruba relationship, you have to be specific and not muddle things up. Benin doesn't and didn't have a general relationship with all Yoruba tribes. Benin/Lagos relationship is seen as father and son relationship. Benin/eastern Yoruba was filled with wars and bloodshed. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 11:28am On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk:There is no escaping your eternal servitude to your ancestral slave-masters. And regarding Lagos, our first King is unrelated to Benin. Thief! 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 11:35am On Apr 30, 2020 |
gregyboy: You are derranged and logic challenged Riddle me this, where does the term 'Oba' originate? 1 Like |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by samuk: 11:37am On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: The current Oba of Lagos doesn't mix words when claiming Benin ancestry and he is a very proud son of Benin. Lagos monarchy and traditional institutions don't recognise Ife but Benin. Please remove the clogs from your ears and hear from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o 1 Like |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 11:40am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: gregyboy, please note that I am still very active on this thread. So watch the lie you type in response to this challenge from Amujale. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 11:43am On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: I aint claiming nothing. One is simply following simple logic. History isnt that hard to ascertain. Eko predates Lagos. What is the etymology for the term Eko? In what language will we find the root word for Eko? How many honomyns does Eko have and in what language are the majority of them found? 1 Like |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by samuk: 11:47am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: Incase you missed it. Please hear it from the horse's mouth, the Oba of Lagos himself. History is history as told by the people and not what you wish it to be. Are you the custodian of Lagos history. Are you one of the chiefs of Oba of Lagos, I guess not and as a result, your logic doesn't count. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 11:47am On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: I have no problem with the Binis taking their kings as historians. But for us, Akiolu is not a historian. He has only regurgitated one version of a popular story, not history. And he issued a statement afterwards (having realized his bungle) to control his earlier error. He noted that only an idiot (like samuk) will say Lagos is not Yorubaland. Even his own ancestry does not trace to Ashipa --- the Ife prince who became the first King of the present Eko dynasty. Rather, his ancestry goes back to Ologun-Kutere, and from thence to Ilesha. But does the Lagos dynasty have an important relationship with the Benin dynasty? Yes! But is the first King of Lagos a Bini indigene in any way shape or form? NO! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by samuk: 11:53am On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: I have written that Benin have relationship with various Yoruba groups, I didn't say anything about Lagos being or not being Yoruba. You are the one that have problems with simple comprehension because your brain has been eaten up by bigotry. I should discard what Omoluabi, the Oba of Lagos said about himself and his people and believe what Omo-ale like yourself who is probably not from Lagos is saying. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 11:56am On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: Is this a way of admitting that the story popular among Binis that Ashipa (the first king of the present Eko dynasty) is a Benin indegene is a false story?? Otherwise you have to be clearer with what you're saying here. Modified The boldened part of your comment here was sneaked in later by your miserable self. You wish I wouldn't notice it, hence your decision to sneak it in there quietly after I had already replied your original comment there. This goes to prove that you already admitted, about yourself, what you intend to falsely attribute to me; because only a bastard would be so quavery, weak and feeble to have gone such an ignobly desperate route. Moreover, Akiolu is a King, and was a policeman. But historian? Even he will deny that. And I am a Lagosian in every sense of the term. I am already living your life-long dream. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by samuk: 12:00pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: The land called Eko that is now populated by various Yoruba tribes due to the close proximity of their various states to Lagos was founded by Benin and the monarchy and traditional institutions are of Benin. The monarchy have it's allegiance to Benin and not Ife the supposed cradle of the Yoruba race. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 12:00pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: That is in reference to the rulers of the then Benin Kingdom during that time. Theres no contradiction, the history of Lagos isnt foreign to anyone. However, Eko predates Lagos. How old is that jingle? Who celebrates Adamu Orisa? That is simply modern history that we are all aware about, yet the original people of Eko are the Yoruba. Anyone disputing that needs a reality check. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 12:06pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: A claim devoid of any evidence or proof has been made here as it is typical of you. It can therefore be debunked simply by a mere-counter statement, until you provide the evidence with which I will proceed with schooling you. In summary: It is FALSE that Lagos was founded by Benin or that the Lagos monarchy and traditional institution originates from Benin. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Edeyoung: 12:15pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: You need beating |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 12:15pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
samuk: The Awori were the first settlers of Eko. The Awori are the people who first settled in Lagos with the Ijebu close to them towards the North and East and the Egbado close to them towards the North and West. I don’t think there is anybody disputing that. In fairness to the Oba of Lagos, I don’t think he’s saying any other group but the Awori are the owners of Lagos because there is no basis for saying that. What he has been saying is that at some point in the history of Lagos — not when Lagos was founded as a human settlement, but many centuries later after Lagos had become a kingdom — people who first settled in these places were not kingdoms; we know that from Yoruba history. We know it from the Edo history as well. It was not until more than 3,000 years that kingdoms began to emerge among the Yoruba first, then among the Edo, and so on. And it wasn’t until the kingdoms had existed for hundreds of years that the Edo had contact with the kingdom of Lagos and became involved in the royal family of Lagos. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 12:19pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Edeyoung: I apologize if I've hurt your feelings. 1 Like |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 12:20pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
There was an Awori kingdom in Lagos before any contact with the Bini. The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Urhobo, Nupe, Tiv, Igala, Idoma, and so on, from our archeological research and linguistic research, we believe that though all those peoples evolved along the banks of the Middle Niger up to the confluence with the Benue and that at some point in 5000-3000 BCE they began to spread out from there and gradually, the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Igbere evolved, and so on. People then went out roughly from 3000 to 1000 BCE, spread out and gradually occupied the country that became the Aro. The Yoruba, which happened to be the largest of these groups, spread out roughly southwards and westwards and occupied what is now Yorubaland, from the Yoruba in Kogi, west of the Niger, that is, Lokoja — southwards, all the way to the coast, what is now the islands of Lagos and westwards into what is now Benin Republic, Togo Republic and even a little bit of Ghana. Every group had its own homeland. The Edo had its own homeland, a little smaller than that of the Yoruba, to the east of the Yoruba. And there were no kingdoms; these were just people that were coming as agricultural communities, evolving and getting better. The Yoruba started to evolve kingdoms; they ruled themselves by kingdoms and the first kingdom to be created was Ife. From Ife, people went out and created other kingdoms. The kings are not the creators of the people. The people was (already) there. So, it is not that the king is the owner of the people; the people was there. A prince would come from Ife, establish a kingdom among the people and become the king of the people. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 12:25pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
According to historical sources, prior to the founding of the kingdom of Eko by the Awori, there was the kingdom of Ota. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 12:27pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: I can hear Professor S. A. Akintoye's voice in your comment here. True? Lol. Moving on, even in light of the fact that aboriginal Lagosians (i.e. the Aworis) later had their first contact with the Binis in the 1500s/1600s, the claim of the Benin people today that the first King of Lagos (from thence) --- i.e. Ashipa --- was a Bini indegene is nothing but a capital FALSEHOOD. Ashipa is well established in Lagos tradition as a Yoruba prince of Ife royal descent from Isheri Olofin. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Amujale(m): 12:30pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: Your are spot on. Professor S.A Akintoye gives a good basic breakdown. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Edeyoung: 12:56pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Amujale: https://www.nairaland.com/5826609/how-come-title-oba-became |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Edeyoung: 12:56pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: Ok https://www.nairaland.com/5826609/how-come-title-oba-became |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by TAO11(f): 1:02pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
Edeyoung: Edeyoung: Lol! I have already overflogged this "Oba" issue, and your Bini brothers here couldn't show me the word "Oba" in Edo lexicon from an etymological point of view. I will share the link with you shortly because I notice your willingness to learn. |
Re: Benin And Ife Never Had Any Connections more facts to this by Edeyoung: 1:05pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
TAO11: Yea i need |
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