Topsic70:




Deflective tactics!
You DT "know how awo was released and transferred to Lagos from calabar by ojuku", yet have no single proof of ojukwu releasing awo from prison apart from what ur father told u dare question d barrage of written, audio and visual evidences showing DT awo's release was orchestrated by Gowon.
Taaaaaaa!
I resemble ipob 4 ya aiz?

The only thing people like you have to explain to us is this video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos when Awolowo was in prison in Calabar

gidgiddy:

This is one story where you don't need source.. The simple question to ask is how is it possible that Gowon, who was barely a week in power and not recognized as head of state in the East, managed to free Awolowo who was in Calabar prison? The only person that could have released Awolowo was Ojukwu. Even the so called video was Awolowo meeting Gowon shortly after his arrival in Lagos

gidgiddy:


The only thing people like you have to explain to us is this video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos when Awolowo was in prison in Calabar

Clown....u dt have no single source to backup ur father's claim is scrutinizing credible sources.
The joke's on u!

The "Progressive" that joined the "retrogressives" to wage war against the"innovatives"

Topsic70:




Clown....u dt have no single source to backup ur father's claim is scrutinizing credible sources.
The jokes on u!

Why are you looking for source when you have a brain? Is your brain not functioning? You have a video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos, yet Awolowo was in Calabar prisons. Explain this magic for me, or is Calabar in Lagos?

gidgiddy:

Why are you looking for source when you have a brain? Is your brain not functioning? You have a video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos, yet Awolowo was in Calabar prisons. Explain this magic for me, or is Calabar in Lagos?

Lolz..... nwanne, a 1000 lying 'brains' can never override d smallest fact, inugo?
U can see how imbecilicc u sound. All along (from page 1) we've bn presenting 'facts and figures' whilst u've bn holding unto 'passed down stories from daddy' and 'brain'.

There's no need flogging a dead horse. How awo's release was orchestrated by Gowon has bn tendered in ds thread and previous threads as well.
Since all these audio, pictorial and video evidences are not enough to 'convince' u, the onus there4 lies on u to convince me that ojukwu indeed release awo from prison

Oh I forgot u have no proof nor source and according to u, neither is necessary. Your father told u d 'story' by word of mouth and that's it!
vvvvv

gidgiddy:
Everyone knows it was Ojukwu who ordered Awolowo's release after the death of Ironsi

Really?
Ngwa, mention one source to validate ur claim biko.

gidgiddy:
Why are you looking for source when you have a brain?........

gidgiddy:

This is one story where you don't need source..

#Lobatan

gidgiddy:


Gowon provided you with a video of himself meeting Awolowo. If you now take that as evidence he that freed Awolowo then thats your business. Even the video shows that Awolowo was already a free man, he came to the venue in his car. How can Gowon be releasing a man who came in his own car? How can people be this stupid?

You mean Gowon should go to the prison himself to release him? Does a head of state need to do that? He only needs to make a pronouncement for his release. Did buhari go to the prison to release dasuki?

gidgiddy:


Awolowo was in prison in Calabar, but the Video shows Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos. May be you can explain that one to me?

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So buhari can not release someone in prison in Lagos even though he resides in Abuja?


Awo was sentenced by the FG. How can a regional govt release him? Why are you igbos dull?

gidgiddy:


Why are you looking for source when you have a brain? Is your brain not functioning? You have a video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos, yet Awolowo was in Calabar prisons. Explain this magic for me, or is Calabar in Lagos?

I can’t believe you are this dumb.

The prison is under the FG not region

All Gowon needs to do is proclaim his release. He doesn’t need to go to calabar to release him.

PeterUdeme:


I can’t believe you are this dumb.

The prison is under the FG not region

All Gowon needs to do is proclaim his release. He doesn’t need to go to calabar to release him.

Well thats not how things worked back then. Back in the times of the Regions, before anyone could become president or head of state, the Regions had to recognise that person as one. The Regions were almost as powerful as the FG, if not more powerful. So it doesn't matter if Gowon was head of state, it was all about the Regions that accepted him as so. Thats why Gowon could not fire Ojukwu nor release Awolowo, the Eastern Region never recognised Gowon as head of state until Gowon met Ojukwu in Aburi. Didnt you ask your self why a head of state like Gowon would be meeting Ojukwu, who is supposed to be under him, in another country for talks?


Gowon simply had no control over the Eastern Region, thats why Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 states. The Regions were just too powerful for any head of state to order about.

Gowon simply had no power to order anyones release in the Eastern Region, the person who had that power was Ojukwu

PeterUdeme:


I can’t believe you are this dumb.

The prison is under the FG not region

All Gowon needs to do is proclaim his release. He doesn’t need to go to calabar to release him.

You are an ignoramus.

Well thats not how things worked back then. Back in the times of the Regions, before anyone could become president or head of state, the Regions had to recognise that person as one. The Regions were almost as powerful as the FG, if not more powerful. So it doesn't matter if Gowon was head of state, it was all about the Regions that accepted him as so. Thats why Gowon could not fire Ojukwu nor release Awolowo, the Eastern Region never recognised Gowon as head of state until Gowon met Ojukwu in Aburi. Didnt you ask your self why a head of state like Gowon would be meeting Ojukwu, who is supposed to be under him, in another country for talks?


Gowon simply had no control over the Eastern Region, thats why Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 states. The Regions were just too powerful for any head of state to order about.

Gowon simply had no power to order anyones release in the Eastern Region, the person who had that power was Ojukwu

maestroferddi:


Ojukwu maintained that he released Awo while he was alive.

Never once did Gowon challenge him.

End of discussion

gidgiddy:


Why are you looking for source when you have a brain? Is your brain not functioning? You have a video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos, yet Awolowo was in Calabar prisons. Explain this magic for me, or is Calabar in Lagos?

The whole saga is befuddling...


The chap went to a faceless website to do copy and paste all he could have done is to spare a minute of critical reasoning.


Even in this day, seemingly reputable platforms have been known to mix up issues only to issue rectification let alone an article written over fifty years ago when it was not uncommon to jumble things up and grossly misrepresent everything Africa...

gidgiddy:

You are an ignoramus.

Well thats not how things worked back then. Back in the times of the Regions, before anyone could become president or head of state, the Regions had to recognise that person as one. The Regions were almost as powerful as the FG, if not more powerful. So it doesn't matter if Gowon was head of state, it was all about the Regions that accepted him as so. Thats why Gowon could not fire Ojukwu nor release Awolowo, the Eastern Region never recognised Gowon as head of state until Gowon met Ojukwu in Aburi. Didnt you ask your self why a head of state like Gowon would be meeting Ojukwu, who is supposed to be under him, in another country for talks?


Gowon simply had no control over the Eastern Region, thats why Gowon abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 states. The Regions were just too powerful for any head of state to order about.

Gowon simply had no power to order anyones release in the Eastern Region, the person who had that power was Ojukwu

Stop saying nonsense on social media especially when debating with superior minds like the Yorubas.

Rather bring your Igbo Professors in your citadel of learning to debate with us because we only speak with facts and not “My daddy tell me” like the Igbos do.

Check the timeline below:

—Awolowo was imprisoned in 1963.

—Ironsi became head of state January 17, 1966

— Ojuku was appointed governor January 17, 1966

— Ironsi was assassinated July 29, 1966

— Gowon took power in August 1, 1966

— Awolowo was released August 3, 1966

Some question arise from the above:

1) Please what is Ojuku and Ironsi looking at for over 7month that they couldn’t deem it fit to release Awolowo? Why is is that he was released almost immediately as Gowon took power.

2) How could Ojuku have taken command of the whole Eastern region (Federal prison) from the federal government to release Awolowo only 4 days after the death of Ironsi. Just 4 days oooooo (infact Ironsi corpse was initially missing few days after the coup with some people speculating whether he is dead or alive)

Going forward, bookmark this moniker and be always prepared before you engage me in an argument because I only speak based on facts and I only engage in topics I know I have 100% supporting facts about with credible sources.

The Yorubas are brought up to always pursue the truth and advance it every time because that’s the Omoluabi honor that we always uphold.

Igbos on the other part are brought up to always regurgitate any thing their parents tell them and defend it even when there is no evidence to support their parent’s argument. You should know when to GIVE UP and when to fight.

In this thread, you have lost it right from the first page.

maestroferddi:
The whole saga is befuddling...


The chap went to a faceless website to do copy and paste all he could have done is to spare a minute of critical reasoning.


Even in this day, seemingly reputable platforms have been known to mix up issues only to issue rectification let alone an article written over fifty years ago when it was not uncommon to jumble things up and grossly misrepresent everything Africa...

You are trying to beat a dead dog here coz you practically have nothing to dispute my facts. Infact NONE of you can dispute the fact.

@bolded, what could be more factual than when 4 international leading media platform covered a news in both prints and video with time stamp for the actual date it occurred. (They have the image of the actual newspaper and not just an article)

These guys have the intel that most people in government don’t even have during such period. New York Times covered some of the British war against Nigeria natives giving account of the actual casualties and location of those said wars. They have been in existence since 1850s.

These same foreign agencies are who gave the Biafran war the required international exposure. You think you have any news channel in Nigeria to showcase the Biafran children kwashiorkor to the world to aid Ojuku’s propaganda? Do you know how many times Ojuku always do press briefing with the international folks who in turn take it to the media to get some sympathy and aid to the Biafran people.

Who captured all the Nigeria struggle for independence in the international space? These same guys. They are the one that documented the video of all those meeting our founding fathers are having and what we come to know as our history.

There is a website that you can see a lot of videos of Ojuku and his speeches during the war in my hand that not only give only video but wrote an account of what transpired in each video with time stamps. Same for Awolowo/Azikwe/Gowon/etc and Nigeria as a whole.

So those are the same set of people you are condemning their report. Moreso, they don’t even have any reason to support propaganda against Ojukwu then because the Igbos are still the ones in power. Ironsi only died 5days ago to the Awo release news on their medium. So there is no issue of rebel, animosity, nothing whatsoever against Igbos or Biafra. Biafra is not even yet birthed.

YorubaHero12:


Stop saying nonsense and see the video of the day Gowon released Awo.

He was flown from Calabar prison to Lagos and was driven to Gowon’s office in a convoy. The video below showed when Gowon was receiving him at his office the same day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMNa4671Yuw

question is how did he release Awolowo that was locked up in the east.

YorubaHero12:


You are trying to beat a dead dog here coz you practically have nothing to dispute my facts. Infact NONE of you can dispute the fact.

@bolded, what could be more factual than when 4 international leading media platform covered a news in both prints and video with time stamp for the actual date it occurred. (They have the image of the actual newspaper and not just an article)

These guys have the intel that most people in government don’t even have during such period. New York Times covered some of the British war against Nigeria natives giving account of the actual casualties and location of those said wars. They have been in existence since 1850s.

These same foreign agencies are who gave the Biafran war the required international exposure. You think you have any news channel in Nigeria to showcase the Biafran children kwashiorkor to the world to aid Ojuku’s propaganda? Do you know how many times Ojuku always do press briefing with the international folks who in turn take it to the media to get some sympathy and aid to the Biafran people.

Who captured all the Nigeria struggle for independence in the international space? These same guys. They are the one that documented the video of all those meeting our founding fathers are having and what we come to know as our history.

There is a website that you can see a lot of videos of Ojuku and his speeches during the war in my hand that not only give only video but wrote an account of what transpired in each video with time stamps. Same for Awolowo/Azikwe/Gowon/etc and Nigeria as a whole.

So those are the same set of people you are condemning their report. Moreso, they don’t even have any reason to support propaganda against Ojukwu then because the Igbos are still the ones in power. Ironsi only died 5days ago to the Awo release news on their medium. So there is no issue of rebel, animosity, nothing whatsoever against Igbos or Biafra. Biafra is not even yet birthed.

So long a lletter...

You have not succeeded in refuting my assertion that the source you chose to rely on could have gotten the whole issue mix up....

Or are you saying it is beyond the realm of possibility for even New York to commit a blunder?

Awolowo was a convict, at least in the eyes of the Nigerian system Gowon usurped...

So is it difficult to see that he could have taken liberties with words by claiming to have relleased Awo when what he actually did was to invite Awo into his cabinet?

Think out of the box....

maestroferddi:
So long a lletter...

You have not succeeded in refuting my assertion that the source you chose to rely on could have gotten the whole issue mix up....

Or are you saying it is beyond the realm of possibility for even New York to commit a blunder?

Awolowo was a convict, at least in the eyes of the Nigerian system Gowon usurped...

So is it difficult to see that he could have taken liberties with words by claiming to have relleased Awo when what he actually did was to invite Awo into his cabinet?

Think out of the box....

I am not thinking outside the box based on this subject. You should rather stop being adamant.

The sources below gave the same account for the scenario.
-NYT: American newspaper (est 1851)
-The Guardian: British newspaper (est 1821)
-Reuters: British newspaper (est 1851)
-Britishpathe: British picture/videos (est 1910)

Infact I have seen the same news on the Australian archives before. If I lay my hand on the document I will also post it here. That’s cutting across 3 continents and they all gave the same account.

But you said I shouldn’t believe all these sources and I should instead think outside of the box. Think outside the box for what exactly?

Independent readers on Nairaland will judge who among us is actually intelligent.

YorubaHero12:


I am not thinking outside the box based on this subject. You should rather stop being adamant bro.

The sources below have the same account for the scenario.
-NYT: American newspaper (est 1851)
-The Guardian: British newspaper (est 1821)
-Reuters: British newspaper (est 1851)
-Britishpathe: British picture/videos (est 1910)

Infact I have seen the same news on the Australian archives before. If I lay my hand on the document I will also post it here. That’s cutting across 3 continents and they all have the same account.

But you said I shouldn’t believe all these sources and I should instead think outside of the box. Think outside the box for what exactly? Independent readers on Nairaland will judge who among us is actually intelligent.

What is the object of the name-dropping you are doing?

I have convincely punctured your argument that we should believe your account of things because you claim your source is infallible.

Whether New York has been existing pre-histiory is immaterial here.

Bottom line: Your hypotheses are built on shifting sands...

maestroferddi:
What is the object of the name-dropping you are doing?

I have convincely punctured your argument that we should believe your account of things because you claim your source is infallible.

Whether New York has been existing pre-histiory is immaterial here.

Bottom line: Your hypotheses are built on shifting sands...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

We defeated the age long propaganda of Ojuku and his cronies with facts such that his kinsmen resorted to saying sources don’t matter when giving account of the past. Especially when it’s 4-5 independent sources verifying the same thing.

Normally I would have stopped engaging you. But I won’t, I will keep playing the psychological game with you to dampen your moral. I know it hurts to know that the people you loved and trusted(Elders) lied to you all this while but I am here to be your therapy and I’m willing to take you through the healing process.

Remember we are not arguing here, I am lecturing you instead.

Yorubahero12,why waste your time and energy in educating those who refused to be educated.Let them continue to delude themselves.Where have they seen a federal prisoner being released by the state or regional government?So Ojukwu just woke up and released Awo just for Gowon to welcome him in Lagos without Gowon's consent, what an irony.Nigeria will be a better country if we allow these parasitic Igbo to secede and save ourselves from these awful parasites who have been invading every Yoruba towns and villages yet evil is what they wish their hosts.What should the Germans, Japanese be wishing British and American for a war which ended 75 years ago?These people are forging on whereas Igbo are still sulking on the war the useless Ojukwu caused to massage his ego.Let us go our different ways if that will save us from these compulsive liars.They were not made to pay for human and materials losses caused by Ojukwu's madness why won't they be talking thrash.

Brigadier66:
Yorubahero12,why waste your time and energy in educating those who refused to be educated.Let them continue to delude themselves.Where have they seen a federal prisoner being released by the state or regional government?So Ojukwu just woke up and released Awo just for Gowon to welcome him in Lagos without Gowon's consent, what an irony.Nigeria will be a better country if we allow these parasitic Igbo to secede and save ourselves from these awful parasites who have been invading every Yoruba towns and villages yet evil is what they wish their hosts.What should the Germans, Japanese be wishing British and American for a war which ended 75 years ago?These people are forging on whereas Igbo are still sulking on the war the useless Ojukwu caused to massage his ego.Let us go our different ways if that will save us from these compulsive liars.They were not made to pay for human and materials losses caused by Ojukwu's madness why won't they be talking thrash.

Brother I understand you and you are right.

However I have a different school of thought. Leaving these igbos alone is what has led to all this rubbish they always say every time that make them get away with lies. Our fathers did a great mistake by maintaining the culture of silence against the igbos because an Igbo man will never play by the rules.

—Do you know there are still lot of Yorubas online that believed the hogwash that Ojuku released Awo? Don’t you think those Yorubas will be like “Oh Awo betrayed Ojuku, why will he release Awo and he supported Gowon against him”. Ojuku played his game right, after losing the war he found a fall guy in Awo.

— Another example, why should Igbos be calling Yorubas Fulani slaves because we voted Buhari in 2015? Don’t we have documented historical facts of Igbo alliance with Fulanis ? How could a tribe like Igbo suddenly turn around to label the Yorubas the betrayer of south when their history showed they had countless betrayal of the south (Yorubas). Some Yorubas online don’t even know about what transpired in between 1957-1999, they all just swallow the propaganda from the igbos like that.

The reason why the Igbo man is getting away with this is because they always resort to throwing the Biafra war victim card to project their propaganda because most Yoruba felt sorry for them. You don’t treat Igbos with love, you have to give it to them hot like they would if they were in our shoes.

—-That is why I want to make sure I correct him to the end until he has nothing else to say. And this should even be moved to other social media space to sensitize millions of Yorubas and other tribes out there.

Can you now see why I’m doing all this? Normally he has nothing more to say but I want him to keep silent.

Yorubas on this forum, please let us be factual, these pigs have gotten away with re-writting our history for so long. what legendhero is doing is trying to reach other omoluabis that has been misinformed by the lies the pigs have spread all through the years.

Nobody is trying to convince them, it is a futile mission. But the naive yorubas and the intelligent foreigners on this forum will put the pieces together and know who is actually saying the truth

gidgiddy:


Two international newspapers, that are not even in Nigeria, are the ones telling Nigerians what happend in Nigeria? Then we have a video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos even though Awolowo was in Calabar prisons.

Dont you find this narrative laughable?

Aren't you a joke man? Who told you that the press simply sat in their parlour and wrote down the news? You should go and learn a bit about how journalism works instead of embarrassing yourself like this

YorubaHero12:


Brother I understand you and you are right.

However I have a different school of thought. Leaving these igbos alone is what has led to all this rubbish they always say every time that make them get away with lies. Our fathers did a great mistake by maintaining the culture of silence against the igbos because an Igbo man will never play by the rules.

—Do you know there are still lot of Yorubas online that believed the hogwash that Ojuku released Awo? Don’t you think those Yorubas will be like “Oh Awo betrayed Ojuku, why will he release Awo and he supported Gowon against him”. Ojuku played his game right, after losing the war he found a fall guy in Awo.

— Another example, why should Igbos be calling Yorubas Fulani slaves because we voted Buhari in 2015? Don’t we have documented historical facts of Igbo alliance with Fulanis ? How could a tribe like Igbo suddenly turn around to label the Yorubas the betrayer of south when their history showed they had countless betrayal of the south (Yorubas). Some Yorubas online don’t even know about what transpired in between 1957-1999, they all just swallow the propaganda from the igbos like that.

The reason why the Igbo man is getting away with this is because they always resort to throwing the Biafra war victim card to project their propaganda because most Yoruba felt sorry for them. You don’t treat Igbos with love, you have to give it to them hot like they would if they were in our shoes.

—-That is why I want to make sure I correct him to the end until he has nothing else to say. And this should even be moved to other social media space to sensitize millions of Yorubas and other tribes out there.

Can you now see why I’m doing all this? Normally he has nothing more to say but I want him to keep silent.

Many thanks for your painstaking efforts I have had occasions where I enlightened many people on many subjects concerning these issues, but they choose to hold on to lies, their motives are unclear.Based on deductive reasoning I can surmise that their angst is their inability to attain Presidency for the past 20 years.It is unfortunate many Yoruba fell for their propaganda .It took me a lot of reading several books before I found out that the 1963 Treasonable trial of Awolowo was a sheer hogwash conceived and designed by NCNC and NPC to subjugate Awolowo and Western Nigeria.Micheal Okpara played an inglorious role in that event.As for Yoruba voting for Buhari in 2015 & 2019, do you have any apology for that?who are/were the betrayers in 1951(claiming they won elections into Western House Of Assembly) though records show contrary.In 1964 Elections they initially formed alliance with AG just to form "broad based government "with Balewa leaving AG to remain as opposition,in 1979,1983 and 1993 they voted against Yoruba candidates yet they call us names for rejecting a corrupt riddled Jonathan's government.Won to to nkaanka

Brigadier66:

Many thanks for your painstaking efforts I have had occasions where I enlightened many people on many subjects concerning these issues, but they choose to hold on to lies, their motives are unclear.Based on deductive reasoning I can surmise that their angst is their inability to attain Presidency for the past 20 years.It is unfortunate many Yoruba fell for their propaganda .It took me a lot of reading several books before I found out that the 1963 Treasonable trial of Awolowo was a sheer hogwash conceived and designed by NCNC and NPC to subjugate Awolowo and Western Nigeria.Micheal Okpara played an inglorious role in that event.As for Yoruba voting for Buhari in 2015 & 2019, do you have any apology for that?who are/were the betrayers in 1951(claiming they won elections into Western House Of Assembly) though records show contrary.In 1964 Elections they initially formed alliance with AG just to form "broad based government "with Balewa leaving AG to remain as opposition,in 1979,1983 and 1993 they voted against Yoruba candidates yet they call us names for rejecting a corrupt riddled Jonathan's government.Won to to nkaanka

Nice and apt. You captured the situation perfect.

Gandollar:
Amen!

Amukunmeko omo abipabe, ti o ba feran Awolowo pada sile Igbo. Oponu afofungbemu

maestroferddi:
[s]What is the object of the name-dropping you are doing?[/s]

I have convincely punctured your argument that we should believe your account of things because you claim your source is infallible.

[s]Whether New York has been existing pre-histiory is immaterial here.[/s]

[s]Bottom line: Your hypotheses are built on shifting sands...[/s]

Stop lying you haven’t, we won’t let you get away with your lies anymore, it’s over!

abduljabbar4:



Aren't you a joke man? Who told you that the press simply sat in their parlour and wrote down the news? You should go and learn a bit about how journalism works instead of embarrassing yourself like this

Forget what was written in other countries and explain to this video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos when Awolowo was in prison in Calabar

gidgiddy:


Forget what was written in other countries and explain to this video of Gowon releasing Awolowo in Lagos when Awolowo was in prison in Calabar

Did anybody tell you that the video was captured while Gowon was actively releasing him? What if he was transported to Lagos immediately after being released. Let me tell you what you are sounding like with this argument.

It is as if you are saying that I cannot tell my gateman to let visitors in just because I am not around and he is incharge of the house. Ojukwu had not declared independence as at when Awolowo, a FEDERAL prisoner was released. How hard is that for you to understand?

@Gidgiddy I have a question for you.

If CNN, Al jazeera and BBC should come out and say that Tinubu is a thief while Reno Omokri and Lai Mohammed deny it, who would you believe?

Keep in mind that none of them is based in Nigeria while Reno and Lai are right here living in the country.