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Peacefullove:
Okay , so who says I became dead in that same place ? That's what I want to know.

Perhaps you don't understand his dialect, he said

"Ole"

meaning

"Thief"

Truly there is a tin line between frustration and madness!

When arguing on what wasn't written in my presence, someone gave it a different meaning from mine and the next thing that comes to my mind is

"Ole" "Thief"

Thanks to Jehovah!

Peacefullove:
Emusan mumu get levels . admitting he died will finish him , so he had to keep insisting he never dies. Which make him an enemy of Jesus death for mankind. This movie dey sweet Guy

FRUSTRATION comes when someone is battling bitterly to establish what is untrue or when arguing profusely to refute what is obvious to everyone!

funny people

Rozz:
funny people

Exactly the same way people feel about our Master, Lord and King (Jesus)

John 10:20

Maximus69:
Exactly the same way people feel about our Master, Lord and King (Jesus)
John 10:20

JW can argue for Africa ehn

Peacefullove:
Guy dont run . I know u wanted to run

So if I decided not to reply to your deluded post means I run!

Just like I said, failure to answer my question anymore means bye bye.

Mary birth God from His womb

Mary Carry the divine nature in her womb making her Mother of God. You can't escape it. Man

Says a deluded JWs...

Only a deluded man make analysis from miracle. Which sperm fertilize Marys egg?

FOR THE LAST TIME on this

WHAT DID THE FATHER SEND TO EARTH?

The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary which lead to the Miraculous formation of the Human Baby!

So tell us what the Father sent from heaven to EARTH?

U called Act 12:9 a liar ?

This is again the first meaning of Horama I posted from Strong

The Greek word translated as vision is "Horama" which strong described as: something gazed at, i.e a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision

So to say Horama isn't REALITY is height of stupidity.

I think I need to ring it into your head more .

Act 12:9. HORAMA IS NOT REALITY .

" ' And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel WAS REAL, BUT THOUGHT he was seeing a vision [horama] "

Horama is not reality. Peter thought it was just an unreal vision which means He actually is still in the prison but saw himself been freed . But Unknown to him it wasn't an horama BUT REALITY

You are so deluded that you can't see that Horama was contrasted with reality here.

Burning bush is a vision

Act 7:31 Darby " And Moses seeing it wondered at the vision; and as he went up to consider it, there was a voice of [the] Lord, "

We are talking about actual Reality.

Its getting more than you think

Ole....Burning bush was REALITY the description perfectly said it all.

Also, I've reposted the meaning of Horama in STRONG which is about REALITY so stop lying.

This question again, "why did Jesus has to take the three disciples to a SECRET PLACE if what happened was just illusion?

Vision is not Reality ( Act 12:9 )

U are hanged on this one

Both the burning bush, reason why Jesus has to take them to a secret place, and the meaning of Horama have proved you to be a liar.

If its reality, Where did Moses and Elijah got there human body from with which they appear ? Has Ressurection occured ??

Them where does the verse say they appear in HUMAN BODY?

vision ! Not reality


So QUESTION: HOW COME it was a vision , if he has the divine nature for real ?

idiot I asked you question which you didn't answer but stupidly asking me question again.

It's REALITY!

So tell us how can ORDINARY HUMAN transfigure without DIVINE NATURE that was my first question!

Not all , that's why there is First and second ressurection. Second is general godly together with ungodly ones . all this godly/righteous ones in the second are not Christians ?? Tell me something interesting

So you means not ALL FOLLOWERS of Christ died with Christ...very interesting!

So which figure did the apostles saw ?

U no just wise . Figure they saw doesn't mean that's who he is.

The man said Yes . that's all I need. He proved the figure right

Jacob fought an angel, TOUCHED him and yet was called a man, because he appeared in Flesh and bones.

As long as that Angel in the case of Manoah is not lying, Jesus too is not lying, they were proving the figure seen Right.

This statement below is self explanatory!

Manoah: Are you the man my wife said talked to her
Angel of the Lord: Yes! Why? because the figure
the woman saw was the figure of a man , no further question to actualise the NATURE.
So which figure did the apostles saw?

Jesus disciples were so AFRAID when THEY SAW a FIGURE of a MAN and thought it to be GHOST but for Jesus to proof it to them, Jesus challenged them to TOUCH HIM "For a SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see ME HAVE"

The verse is very clear but only deluded JWs will read another meaning into it.

Are u insinuating He LIED ??

Because I dont know your problem here.

He didn't because that was the question the Angel was asked as that's what the woman saw. They're understanding changes immediately the Angel went to heaven with the same APPEARANCE.

In the case of Jesus

1. THEY SAW A FIGURE OF A MAN

2. BUT THOUGHT He WAS A GHOST

3. Jesus clear their THOUGHT by proving to them that what they are SEEING is actually HUMAN LIKE THEM not just freaking Ghost. "look at my hands AND TOUCH ME for a SPIRIT has no FLESH AND BONES as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus clear says "HE HAS FLESH AND BONES" but a deluded JWs says no Jesus is lying.

Guy, u gonna get your reply . As usual emotions and sentiments .

Emusan:
So if I decided not to reply to your deluded post means I run!

Just like I said, failure to answer my question anymore means bye bye.



Says a deluded JWs...



FOR THE LAST TIME on this

WHAT DID THE FATHER SEND TO EARTH?

The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary which lead to the Miraculous formation of the Human Baby!

So tell us what the Father sent from heaven to EARTH?



This is again the first meaning of Horama I posted from Strong

The Greek word translated as vision is "Horama" which strong described as: something gazed at, i.e a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision

So to say Horama isn't REALITY is height of stupidity.





Ole....Burning bush was REALITY the description perfectly said it all.

Also, I've reposted the meaning of Horama in STRONG which is about REALITY so stop lying.

This question again, "why did Jesus has to take the three disciples to a SECRET PLACE if what happened was just illusion?



Both the burning bush, reason why Jesus has to take them to a secret place, and the meaning of Horama have proved you to be a liar.



Them where does the verse say they appear in HUMAN BODY?



idiot I asked you question which you didn't answer but stupidly asking me question again.

It's REALITY!

So tell us how can ORDINARY HUMAN transfigure without DIVINE NATURE that was my first question!



So you means not ALL FOLLOWERS of Christ died with Christ...very interesting!



This statement below is self explanatory!

Manoah: Are you the man my wife said talked to her
Angel of the Lord: Yes! Why? because the figure
the woman saw was the figure of a man , no further question to actualise the NATURE.
So which figure did the apostles saw?

Jesus disciples were so AFRAID when THEY SAW a FIGURE of a MAN and thought it to be GHOST but for Jesus to proof it to them, Jesus challenged them to TOUCH HIM "For a SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see ME HAVE"

The verse is very clear but only deluded JWs will read another meaning into it.



He didn't because that was the question the Angel was asked as that's what the woman saw. They're understanding changes immediately the Angel went to heaven with the same APPEARANCE.

In the case of Jesus

1. THEY SAW A FIGURE OF A MAN

2. BUT THOUGHT He WAS A GHOST

3. Jesus clear their THOUGHT by proving to them that what they are SEEING is actually HUMAN LIKE THEM not just freaking Ghost. "look at my hands AND TOUCH ME for a SPIRIT has no FLESH AND BONES as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus clear says "HE HAS FLESH AND BONES" but a deluded JWs says no Jesus is lying.

Peacefullove:
Okay , so who says I became dead in that same place ? That's what I want to know.

Jesus!

Now, Christ Himself said "....And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one,..." 17-18 NWT

This is the same expression about the Father

Not only the Father said to be "the First and the Last" but also having this unique attribute "The Living God, the LIVING FATHER"

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever!

I know your dull brain can't handle this.

Emusan:
So if I decided not to reply to your deluded post means I run!

Just like I said, failure to answer my question anymore means bye bye.

To run just dey hungry You. Is this tough for you ?

Says a deluded JWs...



FOR THE LAST TIME on this

WHAT DID THE FATHER SEND TO EARTH?

[color=purple] The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary which lead to the Miraculous formation of the Human Baby!

So tell us what the Father sent from heaven to EARTH?

Interesting U mean no sperm fertilized the egg like it should be , Sending Jesus as a baby follow the same format . miracle.

This is again the first meaning of Horama I posted from Strong

The Greek word translated as vision is "Horama" which strong described as: something gazed at, i.e a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision

So to say Horama isn't REALITY is height of stupidity.

Oh oh oh the writer of Act 12:9 is the height of stupidity because he clearly said it that HORAMA IS NOT REALITY ?? ?? ??

Ole....Burning bush was REALITY the description perfectly said it all.

Also, I've reposted the meaning of Horama in STRONG which is about REALITY so stop lying.

Most translations say " VISION" it's not reality . That Horama was even contrasted with reality has Already killed your deluded point.

I know u have search every usage of Horama and this is the only one u can hold on to , cos others will finish you in an instant, So I already know u will reply this way , or else u will have brought another verse. E dey sweet me

Horama is not reality!!! Act 12:9

This question again, "why did Jesus has to take the three disciples to a SECRET PLACE if what happened was just illusion?

Both the burning bush, reason why Jesus has to take them to a secret place, and the meaning of Horama have proved you to be a liar.

How exactly does Horama proved me a liar when the same Bible says its not the same as Reality ? How ? Explain ?

Or do I need to insert Act 12:9 into your head again.

Them where does the verse say they appear in HUMAN BODY?

Can the human eyes perceive spiritual beings ? So in a reality setting how could ordinary humans see them ?? This is what demand the question , WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR HUMAN BODY FROM IF THEY WERE REAL .

For illustration: Either spiritual or physical body , both are Only available at Ressurection. So how could they get a body if not that it was as described , a Vision ?

idiot I asked you question which you didn't answer but stupidly asking me question again.

It's REALITY!

So tell us how can ORDINARY HUMAN transfigure without DIVINE NATURE that was my first question!

And the human does that through a VISION , DOES THAT NOT SHOW YOU ARE DELUDED TO THINK OTHERWISE ?

So you means not ALL FOLLOWERS of Christ died with Christ...very interesting!

U got no comment ? Are the righteous ones in the second resurrection unchristian ?

This statement below is self explanatory!

Manoah: Are you the man my wife said talked to her
Angel of the Lord: Yes! Why? because the figure
the woman saw was the figure of a man , no further question to actualise the NATURE.
So which figure did the apostles saw?

They disciples also saw the figure of a man.

Jesus disciples were so AFRAID when THEY SAW a FIGURE of a MAN and thought it to be GHOST but for Jesus to proof it to them, Jesus challenged them to TOUCH HIM "For a SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see ME HAVE"

The verse is very clear but only deluded JWs will read another meaning into it.

Was the angel lying that he was a Man ? Answer

He didn't because that was the question the Angel was asked as that's what the woman saw. They're understanding changes immediately the Angel went to heaven with the same APPEARANCE.

In the case of Jesus

1. THEY SAW A FIGURE OF A MAN

2. BUT THOUGHT He WAS A GHOST

3. Jesus clear their THOUGHT by proving to them that what they are SEEING is actually HUMAN LIKE THEM not just freaking Ghost. "look at my hands AND TOUCH ME for a SPIRIT has no FLESH AND BONES as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus clear says "HE HAS FLESH AND BONES" but a deluded JWs says no Jesus is lying.

Is the angel LYING ??

If the angel is not lying, Jesus too wasn't lying .. A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN.

Emusan:
Jesus!

Now, Christ Himself said "....And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one,..." 17-18 NWT

This is the same expression about the Father

Not only the Father said to be "the First and the Last" but also having this unique attribute "The Living God, the LIVING FATHER"

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever!

I know your dull brain can't handle this.

Jesus died. Deal with it , that exclude him from that Hebrews 1:10-12

Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus are both called King of Kings . in the same sense?

U no get sense .. Now you are contrasting Jesus with his Father in the usage of First and Last , Mumu . show me where the Father ever said " I was Dead " ??

Rozz:
JW can argue for Africa ehn

It's not about argument but standing up for what you know and presenting evidence of its effectiveness!

You know that Jehovah's Witnesses globally have the same line of thought and we have love amongst ourselves so that anywhere we go as long as a JW is there, we can feel at home.

Ask your friends to present a group that can meet up with that nah!

After all Jesus said the mark of true Christians is that LOVE will permeate their gathering! John 13:34-35

When i pointed to the way Adeboye asked the police to pursue destitutes who are members of redeem from the redemption camp, all what our friend could say is it's fake news when it was all over the media!

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization will never i repeat NEVER PURSUE members out like that!

When he got frustrated, he now wanted to use the case of one single person who committed a wrongdoing to compare the ill-treatment his church gave members of his church simply because they're poor!

What a shame!

Maximus69:
It's not about argument but standing up for what you know and presenting evidence of its effectiveness!

You know that Jehovah's Witnesses globally have the same line of thought and we have love amongst ourselves so that anywhere we go as long as a JW is there, we can feel at home.

Ask your friends to present a group that can meet up with that nah!

After all Jesus said the mark of true Christians is that LOVE will permeate their gathering! John 13:34-35

When i pointed to the way Adeboye asked the police to pursue destitutes who are members of redeem from the redemption camp, all what our friend could say is it's fake news when it was all over the media!

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization will never i repeat NEVER PURSUE members out like that!

When he got frustrated, he now wanted to use the case of one single person who committed a wrongdoing to compare the ill-treatment his church gave members of his church simply because they're poor!

What a shame!

I haven't read that about Adeboye,it could all be lies

Peacefullove:
To run just dey hungry You. Is this tough for you ?

Ok

Interesting U mean no sperm fertilized the egg like it should be , Sending Jesus as a baby follow the same format . miracle.

You truly lack wisdom and it's very obvious!

So WHAT BECAME THAT BABY?

THE BABY WAS ONCE A PERSON IN HEAVEN. isn't it?

WAS THE WHOLE PERSON (INCLUDING HIS NATURE) bacame the BABY or just one part of the PERSON....

This is the point you're still dodging and it's about consume your ignorance.

Oh oh oh the writer of Act 12:9 is the height of stupidity because he clearly said it that HORAMA IS NOT REALITY ?? ?? ??

How can you boldly lie like this?

Where was the writer says HORAMA IS NOT REALITY?

I posted the meaning which clearly says SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision.

Most translations say " VISION" it's not reality . That Horama was even contrasted with reality has Already killed your deluded point.

I know u have search every usage of Horama and this is the only one u can hold on to , cos others will finish you in an instant, So I already know u will reply this way , or else u will have brought another verse. E dey sweet me

Horama is not reality!!! Act 12:9

Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT...that verse didn't say Horama isn't reality that's just your selfish conclusion.

How exactly does Horama proved me a liar when the same Bible says its not the same as Reality ? How ? Explain ?

Or do I need to insert Act 12:9 into your head again.

Because Horama means SOMETHING GAZED AT that's why vision is different from DREAM.

Can the human eyes perceive spiritual beings ? So in a reality setting how could ordinary humans see them ?? This is what demand the question , WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR HUMAN BODY FROM IF THEY WERE REAL

Yes!

Show us where the verse says THEY APPEAR WITH HUMAN BODY first! I've told you stop asking stupid question when you first asked question!

For illustration: Either spiritual or physical body , both are Only available at Ressurection. So how could they get a body if not that it was as described , a Vision ?

So you mean they already resurrected for them to appear in a vision? Because if it's a vision the body they also APPEARED with must be SPIRITUAL BODY.

And the human does that through a VISION , DOES THAT NOT SHOW YOU ARE DELUDED TO THINK OTHERWISE ?

JESUS transfiguration is a REALITY EVENT that's why Jesus has to take the three disciples INTO A SECRET PLACE!

If it's something that comes like illusion, the event could've taken place anywhere, like when Jesus was in the synagogue.

The verse added "...BEFORE THEM" which is REALITY.

U got no comment ? Are the righteous ones in the second resurrection unchristian?

They will resurrect in the LIKENESS of the resurrection of Christ! which means if Christ resurrected as A SPIRIT BEING then they will be resurrected as a SPIRIT BEING TOO.

They disciples also saw the figure of a man.

And thinking they saw GHOST or didn't they?

Was the angel lying that he was a Man ? Answer

Is the angel LYING ??

Already answered!

If the angel is not lying, Jesus too wasn't lying .. A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN.

Let me complete your statement for you:

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

Peacefullove:
Jesus died. Deal with it , that exclude him from that Hebrews 1:10-12

So why didn't your deluded organization use JEHOVAH in that verse?

Just like I said earlier, Jesus is the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE, THE LIFE

Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus are both called King of Kings . in the same sense?

U no get sense .. Now you are contrasting Jesus with his Father in the usage of First and Last , Mumu . show me where the Father ever said " I was Dead " ??

Imagine, so first and last has two different meanings bravo!

So in what SENSE does Jesus and His Father both called the First and the last? and also the LIVING?

At least you know Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar are both KING

Rozz:
I haven't read that about Adeboye,it could all be lies

Google it Rozz it's not fake news!

The Church pursued their poor members out of the Redemption camp!

I never thought of this because we know that their Daddy GO and his cohorts are after their tithes, but when he raised the issue of what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing for people during the Covid19 pandemic, i reminded him that charity begin at home, if his church wants to prove they care they need to begin with their own members first!

Maximus69:
Google it Rozz it's not fake news!

The Church pursued their poor members out of the Redemption camp!

I never thought of this because we know that their Daddy GO and his cohorts are after their tithes, but when he raised the issue of what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing for people during the Covid19 pandemic, i reminded him that charity begin at home, if his church wants to prove they care they need to begin with their own members first!

hmmm let me just shut up lol

Rozz:
hmmm let me just shut up lol

We are Jehovah's Witnesses! Hebrew 12:1

So we are not scared of them, because just as their ancestors killed faithful men of old, they can kill us too, but they can only kill our body {Matthew 10:28} while our fine works will continue to speak for us! Genesis 4:10; Hebrew 12:24

Emusan:
So why didn't your deluded organization use JEHOVAH in that verse?

Just like I said earlier, Jesus is the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE, THE LIFE

So who said I became dead ?

Imagine, so first and last has two different meanings bravo!

So in what SENSE does Jesus and His Father both called the First and the last? and also the LIVING?

At least you know Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar are both KING

Does the Father ever said " I became dead " if the meaning were the same ?


Answer me

Emusan:
Ok



You truly lack wisdom and it's very obvious!

So WHAT BECAME THAT BABY?

THE BABY WAS ONCE A PERSON IN HEAVEN. isn't it?

WAS THE WHOLE PERSON (INCLUDING HIS NATURE) bacame the BABY or just one part of the PERSON....

This is the point you're still dodging and it's about consume your ignorance.

What fertilize that Baby ? Sperm ?

Until u answer that It was sperm . The whole event was a miracle.

How can you boldly lie like this?

You are actually the liar ...

Where was the writer says HORAMA IS NOT REALITY?

He said peter didn't know it was real

Peter thought it was vision

Peters thought wasn't correct for the phrase " didn't know it was real " to be Correct. Its a reality not vision.

I posted the meaning which clearly says SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision.

Act 12:9


" And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was REAL "

REALITY


" but thought he was seeing a vision. ( horama) "


Do u have sense ? Peter didn't know its REALITY

He thought ( thinks ) its a vision ( not real )

Reality is not a vision.

Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT...that verse didn't say Horama isn't reality that's just your selfish conclusion.

" I didn't know it was real, I thought its a vision" ... Does that not communicate to you that vision is different from reality ?

Because Horama means SOMETHING GAZED AT that's why vision is different from DREAM.

Did Peter think What the angel was doing was Real ?

The verse would be a Lie if Peter knows it was real. Cos it says Peter don't know it was real. But knows its a vision. That means vision is not reality.

Yes!

Show us where the verse says THEY APPEAR WITH HUMAN BODY first! I've told you stop asking stupid question when you first asked question!

Okay with which body do they appear since Jesus hasn't even died for anyone to be ressurected with either Spiritual or physical body ??

So you mean they already resurrected for them to appear in a vision? Because if it's a vision the body they also APPEARED with must be SPIRITUAL BODY.

A Vision is not real , In a vision many animals appear to Peter from heaven , so it means animals dwell in heaven ? Do u have sense ? I doubt

JESUS transfiguration is a REALITY EVENT that's why Jesus has to take the three disciples INTO A SECRET PLACE!

If it's something that comes like illusion, the event could've taken place anywhere, like when Jesus was in the synagogue.

Dead point. Jesus said only few will see that vision , so he took the few to where many won't see them .

If real , tell me which body with which Moses and Elijah appeared ?

The verse added "...BEFORE THEM" which is REALITY.

You are now grabbing straw's
Paul saw Ananiah in a VISION come in before him and restore his sight when Ananiah himself is yet to move an inch.


You further proved right Vision ain't reality!!!

They will resurrect in the LIKENESS of the resurrection of Christ! which means if Christ resurrected as A SPIRIT BEING then they will be resurrected as a SPIRIT BEING TOO.

Correct . first ressurection.

And thinking they saw GHOST or didn't they?

Because he walk through walls , the doors are locked . point is He can claim to be a man if he appear in a man figure.

Already answered!

Oh the angel wasnt lying

Point proved.

Let me complete your statement for you:

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

That's the point at bold.

Peacefullove:
What fertilize that Baby ? Sperm ?

Until u answer that It was sperm . The whole event was a miracle.

If not because your brain is paining you you wouldn't have spew this thrash.

Then let say Jesus as a PERSON (NATURE WITH CONSCIOUSNESS AND INTELLIGENCE) was in heaven before He was sent a BABY to Mary womb.

You are actually the liar ..

He said peter didn't know it was real

Peter thought it was vision

Peters thought wasn't correct for the phrase " didn't know it was real " to be Correct. Its a reality not vision.

Act 12:9


" And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was REAL "

REALITY

" but thought he was seeing a vision. ( horama) "

Do u have sense ? Peter didn't know its REALITY

He thought ( thinks ) its a vision ( not real )

Reality is not a vision.

" I didn't know it was real, I thought its a vision" ... Does that not communicate to you that vision is different from reality ?

Did Peter think What the angel was doing was Real ?

The verse would be a Lie if Peter knows it was real. Cos it says Peter don't know it was real. But knows its a vision. That means vision is not reality.

Because the verse says Peter didn't know DOES THAT make HORAMA not REALITY as you previously FORCED THE SCRIPTURE to say?
Lair....

The meaning of Horama as being given to you, if you like continue to twist it.

Okay with which body do they appear since Jesus hasn't even died for anyone to be ressurected with either Spiritual or physical body ?

If real , tell me which body with which Moses and Elijah appeared ?

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....

My first question to you is that, show us from the verse the BODY they were said to appear?

It's evident you just read your own delusion out from that

A Vision is not real , In a vision many animals appear to Peter from heaven , so it means animals dwell in heaven ? Do u have sense ? I doubt

Dead point. Jesus said only few will see that vision , so he took the few to where many won't see them .

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....
So until you can wrap your dull skull into that meaning then you'll understand what we're discussing here!

So Jesus has to TAKE FEW PEOPLE TO A SECRET PLACE for the so called VISION to happen!

This is evidence that you know it was A REALITY EVENT but just decided to remain deluded.

You are now grabbing straw's
Paul saw Ananiah in a VISION come in before him and restore his sight when Ananiah himself is yet to move an inch.


You further proved right Vision ain't reality!!!

You ignorance is stinking...

Jesus transfiguration happened "BEFORE THEM (in their korokoro eyes, in their presence)" but Ananiah wasn't there with Paul when he had his own experience, so everyone knows what that means.

Correct . first ressurection.

We will all DIED with Christ so also will be resurrected in the LIKENESS OF CHRIST

Because he walk through walls , the doors are locked . point is He can claim to be a man if he appear in a man figure.

Oh the angel wasnt lying

DID HE only CLAIM to be A MAN? Liar....

He confronted their THOUGHT to TOUCH HIM for A Spirit has no flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE...

This is a fact that spirit can appear in human figure but NOT FULLY HUMAN (having FLESH and BONES), just the appearance.

Point proved.
That's the point at bold.

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

Janosky:
LIENUS Musing....

Emusan no dey even dey shame to blow this LIE for public forum, NWT is a Bible Translation of great scholarly repute...
The evidence is solid indeed.
However, there will always be critics.

Show PROOF where the new testament Scholars takes your 1 John 5:7 KJV FRAUD and every fraud in your KJV serious

Used by only Jehovah Witness....dnt u have shame?...y r u disgracing Ur family lineage on the internet?... Am sure that Ur ancestors will be turning in their graves due to your stupidity.

Janosky:
So called double standard exist only in the figment of Emusan imagination.

1)
Hebrews 1:1-6, 9 SHUT DOWN any attempt to ascribe verse 10-12 to Jesus Christ.
Imperfect Humans copied the manuscripts from which the Bibles were translated as we have it today. We can't rule out errors of copyists.

2)
The Masoretic Text of Psalms 102:25 has no YHWH, or anything else remotely connected to Jesus.

3)
More so ,other parts of the Scriptures,even Jesus Christ himself DOESN'T lend credence to Hebrew 1:10 (Compare Matt 11:25. Acts17:24. Deut 10:14,21).

4).
It is possible that the same mischievous way Hebrew 1:8 was twisted (but DISPROVED In the Masoretic Text) , probably birthed Hebrew 1:10 in similar fashion.

So the bible now has errors...Janosky says bible has errors o......I don hear for JW hand.....shame leave u dey catch me chai!!!!!!!....

Peacefullove:
To run just dey hungry You. Is this tough for you ?



Interesting U mean no sperm fertilized the egg like it should be , Sending Jesus as a baby follow the same format . miracle.



Oh oh oh the writer of Act 12:9 is the height of stupidity because he clearly said it that HORAMA IS NOT REALITY ?? ?? ??



Most translations say " VISION" it's not reality . That Horama was even contrasted with reality has Already killed your deluded point.

I know u have search every usage of Horama and this is the only one u can hold on to , cos others will finish you in an instant, So I already know u will reply this way , or else u will have brought another verse. E dey sweet me

Horama is not reality!!! Act 12:9




How exactly does Horama proved me a liar when the same Bible says its not the same as Reality ? How ? Explain ?

Or do I need to insert Act 12:9 into your head again.



Can the human eyes perceive spiritual beings ? So in a reality setting how could ordinary humans see them ?? This is what demand the question , WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR HUMAN BODY FROM IF THEY WERE REAL .

For illustration: Either spiritual or physical body , both are Only available at Ressurection. So how could they get a body if not that it was as described , a Vision ?



And the human does that through a VISION , DOES THAT NOT SHOW YOU ARE DELUDED TO THINK OTHERWISE ?



U got no comment ? Are the righteous ones in the second resurrection unchristian ?



They disciples also saw the figure of a man.



Was the angel lying that he was a Man ? Answer



Is the angel LYING ??

If the angel is not lying, Jesus too wasn't lying .. A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN.

Sorry o...are by ny means saying the transfiguration was not real but a vision?

Peacefullove:
What fertilize that Baby ? Sperm ?

Until u answer that It was sperm . The whole event was a miracle.




You are actually the liar ...



He said peter didn't know it was real

Peter thought it was vision

Peters thought wasn't correct for the phrase " didn't know it was real " to be Correct. Its a reality not vision.



Act 12:9


" And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was REAL "

REALITY


" but thought he was seeing a vision. ( horama) "


Do u have sense ? Peter didn't know its REALITY

He thought ( thinks ) its a vision ( not real )

Reality is not a vision.



" I didn't know it was real, I thought its a vision" ... Does that not communicate to you that vision is different from reality ?




Did Peter think What the angel was doing was Real ?

The verse would be a Lie if Peter knows it was real. Cos it says Peter don't know it was real. But knows its a vision. That means vision is not reality.




Okay with which body do they appear since Jesus hasn't even died for anyone to be ressurected with either Spiritual or physical body ??



A Vision is not real , In a vision many animals appear to Peter from heaven , so it means animals dwell in heaven ? Do u have sense ? I doubt




Dead point. Jesus said only few will see that vision , so he took the few to where many won't see them .

If real , tell me which body with which Moses and Elijah appeared ?



You are now grabbing straw's
Paul saw Ananiah in a VISION come in before him and restore his sight when Ananiah himself is yet to move an inch.


You further proved right Vision ain't reality!!!



Correct . first ressurection.



Because he walk through walls , the doors are locked . point is He can claim to be a man if he appear in a man figure.



Oh the angel wasnt lying

Point proved.



That's the point at bold.

For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

For he received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory: 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain (2 Peter 1:16-18).


Bros suffery lie nah even Peter says he was an eye witness to it. What does it mean to be an eye witness bros?

freshboi88:
Used by only Jehovah Witness....dnt u have shame?...y r u disgracing Ur family lineage on the internet?... Am sure that Ur ancestors will be turning in their graves due to your stupidity.

The New Word Translation (NWT)


Used by the one and only group that have succeeded in making LOVE JOY and PEACE reign in their midst Isaiah 2:2-4

By their FRUIT you will know them~ Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 7:20

I think every right thinking person supposed to be ASHAMED of being a member of such a group! Isaiah 5:20

Emusan:
If not because your brain is paining you you wouldn't have spew this thrash.

Then let say Jesus as a PERSON (NATURE WITH CONSCIOUSNESS AND INTELLIGENCE) was in heaven before He was sent a BABY to Mary womb.

All I want to know is if a sperm fertilize the Eggs ? U can't play around one as a miracle and dismiss the other

Besides what are you trying to prove ,Mary Carried Gods nature in her womb for 9 months making her Mother of God ?

Because the verse says Peter didn't know DOES THAT make HORAMA not REALITY as you previously FORCED THE SCRIPTURE to say?
Lair....

Liar 10.0

Peter thought it was a Vision

Meaning : He was thinking all what was happening is just a gaze ( Vision) , But NOT AN EVENT IN REALITY .

The meaning of Horama as being given to you, if you like continue to twist it.

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....

Gazed at BUT NOT REAL. Let that sink

Exactly Peters thought He was just viewing it like film but in reality was still in prison , He dismiss it as Horama Rather than Reality .

Very clear .

My first question to you is that, show us from the verse the BODY they were said to appear?

Moses and Elijah appear in what form, physically present ? Clearly two persons were standing .


I PUT THAT TO YOu!

It's evident you just read your own delusion out from that

Peter dismiss what was happening as ordinary vision and NOT REALITY. Clearly Horama is not reality. Keep grabbing straws.

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....
So until you can wrap your dull skull into that meaning then you'll understand what we're discussing here!

Gazed at But NOT REAL

That's why Peter dismiss what was happening as HORAMA.
The key word here is its not REAL.

So Jesus has to TAKE FEW PEOPLE TO A SECRET PLACE for the so called VISION to happen!

This is evidence that you know it was A REALITY EVENT but just decided to remain deluded.

Reality when even your deluded mind is not ready to explain with which form Moses and Elijah appear . U know You be will teared to pieces.

You ignorance is stinking...

Jesus transfiguration happened "BEFORE THEM (in their korokoro eyes, in their presence)" but Ananiah wasn't there with Paul when he had his own experience, so everyone knows what that means.

Same Horama, see your life.
Ananiah wasn't physically present.
Was Moses and Elijah physically there with the apostles ??

U no get shame .

We will all DIED with Christ so also will be resurrected in the LIKENESS OF CHRIST

So those raised in the likeness of Christ can die ?

Only first ressurection promised that those experiencing it won't be over powered by second death. No such promise is guaranteed to others, whereas The second resurrection has both Righteous and unrighteous ( John 5:28,29) hearing Yeshuas voice at the same hour . So this Righteous ones are non Christian , how are they righteous then??

DID HE only CLAIM to be A MAN? Liar....

He confronted their THOUGHT to TOUCH HIM for A Spirit has no flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE...

This is a fact that spirit can appear in human figure but NOT FULLY HUMAN (having FLESH and BONES), just the appearance.

So the angel that fought Jacob Is fully human? U no just have sense. I dey always tell you

A fully human has blood na Mumu, Why is Jesus not having blood ? Zombie . He claimed a figure he assumed just like that Angel.

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

The angel didn't lie, likewise Jesus.

freshboi88:
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

For he received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory: 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain (2 Peter 1:16-18).


Bros suffery lie nah even Peter says he was an eye witness to it. What does it mean to be an eye witness bros?

Eye witness means I was there to witness the VISION . were moses and Elijah physically Present ?

freshboi88:
Sorry o...are by ny means saying the transfiguration was not real but a vision?

Matthew 17:9

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead


This is the main problem you and emusan faced , how someone who is claimed to be Divine nature on earth needed to do that in a vision and not reality Is A SLAP on the Face of your claims.

Peacefullove:
All I want to know is if a sperm fertilize the Eggs ? U can't play around one as a miracle and dismiss the other

And I've told you that no sperm fertilized the egg the human nature was done by the Holy Spirit.

The other one isn't miracle because THE PERSON existed in heaven before He was SENT TO EARTH.

In doing so, you're to tell us WHAT THE FATHER SENT

Was is it the WHOLE PERSON which include both Divine Nature, Consciousness, and Intelligence?

because of your lack of comprehension you've forgotten the point of view which is centered of DIVINE NATURE DWELL in BODILY....

So, by knowing what the Father sent then we can know if it's QUALITY/Nature.

But it's evident you know the implication of revealing who the Father sent that's why you keep dodging the question.

And if you failed to answer that now, that's end to our discussion!

Besides what are you trying to prove ,Mary Carried Gods nature in her womb for 9 months making her Mother of God?

Answer my question first, idiot!

What did the Father sent?

Complete person including divine nature or just LIFE FORCE?

Liar 10.0

Peter thought it was a Vision

Meaning : He was thinking all what was happening is just a gaze ( Vision) , But NOT AN EVENT IN REALITY .



Gazed at BUT NOT REAL. Let that sink

Exactly Peters thought He was just viewing it like film but in reality was still in prison , He dismiss it as Horama Rather than Reality .

Very clear .



Moses and Elijah appear in what form, physically present ? Clearly two persons were standing .


I PUT THAT TO YOu!



Peter dismiss what was happening as ordinary vision and NOT REALITY. Clearly Horama is not reality. Keep grabbing straws.



Gazed at But NOT REAL

That's why Peter dismiss what was happening as HORAMA.
The key word here is its not REAL.

Finally your dull brain now picked up GAZE

Olodo....how can you gaze at what isn't real?

Also, you only GAZED AT something with your naked eyes.

That's why I that you earlier that vision is different from dream! because vision mostly happenes when the person is FULLY CONSCIOUS with ALL THE SENSES

But your dull skull couldn't just grasp it.

Reality when even your deluded mind is not ready to explain with which form Moses and Elijah appear . U know You be will teared to pieces.

WHICH FORM DID THE VERSE SAY THEY APPEARED?

Was that not my first question to you?

Barawo....

Same Horama, see your life.
Ananiah wasn't physically present.
Was Moses and Elijah physically there with the apostles ??

U no get shame .

It's evident that you've lost touch with the main point and the only thing left is to be beating about the bush.

I said Jesus transfigured "BEFORE THEM" which is what the verse says but you went on to bring the story of Ananiah which is different from the point I raised.

Now, you lump the whole thing together on VISION...

Oma se oooo

And Apostle Peter himself testified to this when he said "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain."

Can you see as your life outside?

So those raised in the likeness of Christ can die?

Only first ressurection promised that those experiencing it won't be over powered by second death. No such promise is guaranteed to others, whereas The second resurrection has both Righteous and unrighteous ( John 5:28,29) hearing Yeshuas voice at the same hour . So this Righteous ones are non Christian , how are they righteous then??

You're still confused!

The question you refused to answer is what hurting you now.

Are all FOLLOWERS of Christ going to die with Christ?

The more you keep dodging questions the more it will keep hurting you.

So the angel that fought Jacob Is fully human? U no just have sense. I dey always tell you

A fully human has blood na Mumu, Why is Jesus not having blood ? Zombie . He claimed a figure he assumed just like that Angel.

Oponu oshi...

Go and read the story of Jacob very well from a scholarly source because the more you stick with watchtower magazine and awake the more your dull brain will remain.

Jesus statement is this "NIV: Look at My hands and My feet. See! It is I, Myself! Touch Me and see for yourself. A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have.”

NLT: Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

NWT: See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Only a chronicle liar will read another meaning into this verse.

The angel didn't lie, likewise Jesus.

Then the angel entered heaven with the human body!

Peacefullove:
Eye witness means I was there to witness the VISION . were moses and Elijah physically Present ?

This guy is soo dull. How can the eyes be a witness to what it did not see been that a vision in itself is not physical.

Peacefullove:
Matthew 17:9

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead


This is the main problem you and emusan faced , how someone who is claimed to be Divine nature on earth needed to do that in a vision and not reality Is A SLAP on the Face of your claims.

How can Peter be an eye witness to a vision. Does it make sense to you. So the human eyes can now see into the subconscious?

Peacefullove:
Matthew 17:9

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead

You're a great idiot....

Even after quoting Peter own statement for you, what did you say? It means he was there to WITNESS the VISION. is that what EYESWITNESS means?

Liar like your father the devil...

I've even said from onset that, if it's a vision, then no need of Jesus TAKING THEM TO A SECRET PLACE because vision can happen in the midst of millions people but only the person(s) receiving the vision will know what is happening while the rest won't even aware of anything.

So for Christ to take them to SECRET PLACE with Horama as SOMETHING GASED AT and from Peter own statement that HE WAS AN EYESWITNESS truly prove you to be a liar.

This is the main problem you and emusan faced , how someone who is claimed to be Divine nature on earth needed to do that in a vision and not reality Is A SLAP on the Face of your claims.

When you even notice that I was the one who first asked you that question which you couldn't answer but trying to proof that it's not REAL but VISION with a twisted mouth because you know if you take it to be REALITY then you've roped yourself into trouble which is the reason you've been fighting tooth and nail to shift it into VISION.

Mumu