whitelotus:


There is common descent. All life comes from the same source.

It becomes a meaningless question when you realise that it depends on your definition of "plant" or "animal" at a cellular level.

what source? and did everything just come up magically once? there was no order?

did science back your claim?

Kay25 post=89867374
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there is nothing straight you can set you are just a bunch of confused soul that needs Jesus and your spirit will be set free.Accept Jesus today and receive liberty from the devil holding you captive.that devil himself that has cover your face knows that there is God.ask the devil if u can.

Can you prove that your God exists?

I do not believe in the devil as well. I am a free individual, just like yourself.

Lostz:


what source? and did everything just come up magically once? there was no order?

did science back your claim?

That is why I mentioned common descent.

I am not talking about how life first started. I am talking about how all life have the same common ancestor and this has been proven by DNA.

whitelotus:



Secular humanism is simply a philosophy surrounding the idea that man can achieve a moral framework without religion or gods. Secular humanists believe in use of reasoning and science in determining truth and making decisions such as government policies.

https://secularhumanism.org/what-is-secular-humanism/

Please i hate reference materials apart from what you have in your own brains!

How do you think humanism can solve the problems of racism and politics, since the brains of people from each race has been molded by their historicity?

For instance consider Nigeria, we have three major tribes apart from other minor tribes numbering about 60 with divers cultures, traditions and rules of conduct.

How possible is peaceful cohabitation?

whitelotus:



That is why I mentioned common descent.

I am not talking about how life first started. I am talking about how all life have the same common ancestor and this has been proven by DNA.

plant and animals came from one ancestor?

why don't you just answer my questions instead of running away from them

Maximus69:


How do you think humanism can solve the problems of racism and politics, since the brains of people from each race has been molded by their historicity?

For instance consider Nigeria, we have three major tribes apart from other minor tribes numbering about 60 with divers cultures, traditions and rules of conduct.

How possible is peaceful cohabitation?

Humanists value the use of reasoning and logic to answer questions/problems.

The logical answer to Nigeria's problems of division lies in the historical practices of other countries faced with the same problem

When you have a non-homogeneous or diverse population who are in disagreement with each other, there are two solutions

1. Proportional representation in government and transparent policies respecting such diversity.

2. Division and separation of the country so that warring tribes can stay on their own.


Solution 1 is the meeker solution. Civil wars have erupted over solution 2.

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Also, the definition of secular humanism came from my own brain. I included a link for further research. Thanks

Lostz:


plant and animals came from one ancestor?

why don't you just answer my questions instead of running away from them

I answered your question clearly. Plants and animals come from the same ancestor.

whitelotus:



I answered your question clearly. Plants and animals come from the same ancestor.

what ancestor and which one came first?

whitelotus:


Humanists value the use of reasoning and logic to answer questions/problems.

The logical answer to Nigeria's problems of division lies in the historical practices of other countries faced with the same problem

When you have a non-homogeneous or diverse population who are in disagreement with each other, there are two solutions

1. Proportional representation in government and transparent policies respecting such diversity.

2. Division and separation of the country so that warring tribes can stay on their own.


Solution 1 is the meeker solution. Civil wars have erupted over solution 2.

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Also, the definition of secular humanism came from my own brain. I included a link for further research. Thanks

I will appreciate whatever comes directly from you, no references please!

Please give one example of a human society, group or organization that you've noticed to have gotten excellent result regarding this Solution 1?

Lostz:


what ancestor and which one came first?

I am happy with your curiosity, but I do not have time to be explaining evolutionary biology. That is a whole complicated lecture I just dont have the time or energy for.

Rather, I would ask you to do your research and come back to ask much more informed and specific questions.

whitelotus:


I am happy with your curiosity, but I do not have time to be explaining evolutionary biology. That is a whole complicated lecture I just dont have the time or energy for.

Rather, I would ask you to do your research and come back to ask much more informed and specific questions.

you didn't need to type a long answer.

just identify the ancestor and the one that came first.


you said we should ask you anything

Maximus69:


I will appreciate whatever comes directly from you, no references please!

Please give one example of a human society, group or organization that you've noticed to have gotten excellent result regarding this Solution 1?

Rwanda. The Hutus and the Tutsis were rival tribes and a civil war broke out. However, today, the Rwandan government is actively trying to involve both sides in government offices. So far so good in Rwanda as it is a growing economy now and the middle class is growing.

Malaysia, the Chinese. the Malay and the Indian groups are all given some representation in government. Although, the muslim Malaysians will always have the most power in government.


The solution is not an easy one and it is difficult to employ in a democracy (both examples, do not exist in a democracy). But it is the only peaceful solution.

Lostz:

you didn't need to type a long answer.

just identify the ancestor and the one that came first.


you said we should ask you anything

You have asked and I have answered. Your questions are starting to be repetitive and circular. Before you ask any more, do some reading on common descent before we go further.

whitelotus:


You have asked and I have answered. Your questions are starting to be repetitive and circular. Before you ask any more, do some reading on common descent before we go further.

is it that you don't know the answer? science can't answer? or you can't explain ?

Lostz:


is it that you don't know the answer? science can't answer? or you can't explain ?

Kindly, go and read first. Enlighten yourself so that your questions can be precise.

I have given you a fishing rod. I will not give you the fish.

Read about common descent and get back to me.

whitelotus:



Rwanda. The Hutus and the Tutsis were rival tribes and a civil war broke out. However, today, the Rwandan government is actively trying to involve both sides in government offices. So far so good in Rwanda as it is a growing economy now and the middle class is growing.

Malaysia, the Chinese. the Malay and the Indian groups are all given some representation in government. Although, the muslim Malaysians will always have the most power in government.


The solution is not an easy one and it is difficult to employ in a democracy (both examples, do not exist in a democracy). But it is the only peaceful solution.

I love the optimism @ the bolded!

But it's obvious no human society has achieved noteworthy PEACE the way you presented this humanism thing!

All human society have continued to have one dispute or the other and there is little or zero tolerance in all human society till now, so how long do you think this humanism thing will work out noteworthy peace?

whitelotus:


I'm very sorry but that would be a waste of my time. You would have to be specific in saying what is special about your God. Holiness, power and fire are not special things to most Gods.

Took another bit to suite your response.

Continue.

whitelotus:


Kindly, go and read first. Enlighten yourself so that your questions can be precise.

I have given you a fishing rod. I will not give you the fish.

Read about common descent and get back to me.

there has to be a good reason to read. theist don't ask you to read religious book in defense of their faith.

you have to be able to read, understand and explain.......to convince us of atheism

Maximus69:


I love the optimism @ the bolded!

But it's obvious no human society has achieved noteworthy PEACE the way you presented this humanism thing!

All human society have continued to have one dispute or the other and there is little or zero tolerance in all human society till now, so how long do you think this humanism thing will work out noteworthy peace?

You are mistaken, confused and making category errors. Humanism is not a system of government. It only calls for secularism and reason in creating government policies. Secular humanism is a philosophy.

We human beings will always have problems. There is no perfect system of government. The Covid19 virus showed us that, at least.

I never expressed any optimism. If you read my reply, none of my solutions are perfect. I did mention that it would be difficult to implement a solution within a democracy. Are Rwanda and Malaysia perfect countries?

Let's be honest with each other. Thanks

incogni2o:


Logical Fallacies Right?

The Devil is your master , but you are oblivious of that fact.

Keep following his commands , he'll reap you sooner or later if you don't repent.

Surrender your life to Christ and run from the grip of the mind control of darkness.

The Devil has no good for you.

I hate it when you people regard the devil like he's wicked ....
Check it, with facts the devil is much more sincere and loving and caring than god .....
No wonder people worship him


It's your bible that says so not me....

Lostz:


there has to be a good reason to read. theist don't ask you to read religious book in defense of their faith.

you have to be able to read, understand and explain.......to convince us of atheism

I am not defending my faith. I do not have a faith.

Instead, I am curing your lack of knowledge. If you believe that there is no reason for you to understand evolution and the root of common descent of all life, then I feel that there is no much I can do for you.

Science is not a religion. Neither is atheism a religion of science.

incogni2o:


No other God claims being the Alpha and Omega.

No other God respects our freewill.

No other God cares about Humankind and Salavation and makes it our Choice.

No other God has outlined history before its happening.

No other God claims perefect Holliness.

No other God has a great future plan for Man.

No other God has more fiery.

No other God receives with open arms in forgiveness us even when we are at are most dissapointing lowest times.

God is Love.

God as also a comsuming fire.

Chukwu is the alpha and Omega

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Your Christian God is a beast worst than the devil
....
He kills his children because they disobey him....
He asked that we love and forgive people who offend us, but he cannot forgive the devil.

MuttleyLaff:
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Lmao
Current mood. These guys seem like a handful.

I got no questions tho.

whitelotus:


I am not defending my faith. I do not have a faith.

Instead, I am curing your lack of knowledge. If you believe that there is no reason for you to understand evolution and the root of common descent of all life, then I feel that there is no much I can do for you.

Science is not a religion. Neither is atheism a religion of science.

it is not hard to figure out you don't even know enough of what you want to explain.

maybe we should end it here!

Lostz:


it is not hard to figure out you don't even know enough of what you want to explain.

maybe we should end it here!

I am an atheist and a humanist . I am not your science teacher.

comos:


There is one and Almighty GOD.

you can choose how you worship him.

There is life after death and reincarnation.

The problem with Africans is that they have thrown away their traditional religion for Whites and Arab religion

Now I've seen someone to agree with....

I'll rather belong to the Religion of my ancestors than worship an Arab or Israeli god.

Xavfra:




Chukwu is the alpha and Omega

.....

Your Christian God is a beast worst than the devil
....
He kills his children because they disobey him....
He asked that we love and forgive people who offend us, but he cannot forgive the devil.

Firstly let me quote from the book of revelation for you.

Rev22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Unfortunately you dont think deep.

What does Kill mean to a God who lives in your current dimension of life and the dimension beyond.

What does Pain(which is temporary) mean to a God who sees the next moment when the Pain is gone.

The devil is in a worse case, but even you wouldn't be forgiven if you don't ask, without forgiveness , You are damned , and that's not God's fault.

What character does describe God as a beast?

Xavfra:


Now I've seen someone to agree with....

I'll rather belong to the Religion of my ancestors than worship an Arab or Israeli god.

What if you discover your ancestors worship that God the wrong way?

whitelotus:
A lot of people have misconceptions about atheism and I want to set that straight. Also, some people might be curious and so, I want to help!


Please, feel free to ask any question about atheism or humanism that you want to!




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1. how did you become an atheist?
2. If you can't believe in supernatural, how do you explain miracles like SS to AA, hands growing back, and even Juju.
3. If you die, where will you go?
4. How do you survive in the society?
I am Christian and please don't insult me while answering.

whitelotus:



I am an atheist and a humanist . I am not your science teacher.

What premise made you come you your conclusions and beleifs.

Science, Freethinking, or someone's Philosophy?

I bet you the three can't be mutually exclusive .

incogni2o:


What if you discover your ancestors worship that God the wrong way?

Why would they be wrong and a foreign god be right......

incogni2o:

Firstly let me quote from the book of revelation for you.

Rev22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Unfortunately you dont think deep.

What does Kill mean to a God who lives in your current dimension of life and the dimension beyond.

What does Pain(which is temporary) mean to a God who sees the next moment when the Pain is gone.

The devil is in a worse case, but even you wouldn't be forgiven if you don't ask, without forgiveness , You are damned , and that's not God's fault.

What character does describe God as a beast?

Read your bible very well and you'll see it
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Even the revelation you just quoted has it.

Why would he send me to hell because I refuse to worship him ....