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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Maximus69: 10:31pm On May 23
Monveronique:





I don't belief a shred of all these battered and misinterpreted scripture. Why don't you guys believe in the Holy Ghost. Why does the JW bible continue to water down the bible. You may be genuine but here's me hoping you find the truth before it's too late!

Just two to three comments and your ignorance will become obvious!

Spirit ~ Unseen intelligent being, God is a spirit {John 4:24} and all heavenly Creatures (angels) with him! Luke 20:36

Ghost ~ The living dead, humans who formerly lived but at death became unseen beings walking around (this idea is from pagan origin because God's word says the dead don't know anything) Psalms 146:4 ; Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

So the text translated as "Holy Ghost" is wrong Sir. The correct interpretation of that text is "Holy Spirit"! smiley

Further more what exactly do you expect of genuine Christians as you discard what Jesus himself said about how to identify his REAL followers?

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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 10:32pm On May 23
Monveronique:




Did you do logic in school?

two do you know how you came about?

three. Can you take that as far as possible and tell me what you come up with?
1.no i didn't study philosophy (logic)

2. Well,i was born and not created

And i dont understand your 3rd question
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 10:33pm On May 23
Maximus69:


So you're not as tough as you claim! cheesy

Sorry Sir, i'm not here to exchange words with you.

Just know that when it comes to real intelligence, Christianity will bury atheism! Isaiah 54:17


I didnt want to waste time talking about Jehovah's Witness as an organisation. A cult that has no bearing.

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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:34pm On May 23
odinson1:

1.no i didn't study philosophy (logic)

2. Well,i was born and not created

And i dont understand your 3rd question


1. It's sufficiently evident.

2. You were born. Fine.


3. Number asks you to go backwards till the beginning of time
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Plead(m): 10:34pm On May 23
Monveronique:




You tell me?


Wrong! Africa was the cradle of civilisation long before Europeans exported Christianity. Long before Christ was born, Tombs of pharaohs were built with exact specification to the constellations of night sky in order to ease their passage to the heavens. The average man has a measure of God in him and that's the conscience, his spirit that basically sustains him. My God you're shallow.

You’re the dumbest individual I’ve encountered on nairaland.

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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 10:34pm On May 23
Monveronique:
Which person's death are you blaming on God?


Is that what you think atheists do? Blame death of loved ones on God?

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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:37pm On May 23
Maximus69:


Just two to three comments and your ignorance will become obvious!

Spirit ~ Unseen intelligent being, God is a spirit {John 4:24} and all heavenly Creatures (angels) with him! Luke 20:36

Ghost ~ The living dead, humans who formerly lived but at death became unseen beings walking around (this idea is from pagan origin because God's word says the dead don't know anything) Psalms 146:4 ; Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

So the text translated as "Holy Ghost" is wrong Sir. The correct interpretation of that text is "Holy Spirit"! smiley

Further more what exactly do you expect of genuine Christians as you discard what Jesus himself said about how to identify his REAL followers?



I'm sorry Whether you call it holy spirit that's just semantics. There's plenty of Holy Ghost citations in the KJV but that is not the point. Why do guys not believe in the Holy spirit and speaking in tongues, a literal hell?
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 10:37pm On May 23
Monveronique:



1. It's sufficiently evident.

2. You were born. Fine.


3. Number asks you to go backwards till the beginning of time

3. not possible,but if it were,then it would be a good start to prove either the creation story or the big ban theory
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:37pm On May 23
Plead:


You’re the dumbest individual I’ve encountered on nairaland.



How so?
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:38pm On May 23
odinson1:


3. not possible,but if it were,then it would be a good start to prove either the creation story or the big ban theory


Of course. You didn't do logic and you're an atheist? Pigs may fly.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 10:38pm On May 23
Monveronique:




Apparently you are misinformed. People know what happens after death and it is called the afterlife! And the brain is still alive for minutes after death. Read about Near death experience and out of body experience to recondition your thinking. There's is life after death because the soul doesn't die. This plane of existence is only transient at our core, we are energy and energy cannot be destroyed, it only mutates.


No one knows what happens after death. Near death experience is not death. People hallucinate at times in such extreme situations. All the christian pastors who claim that they went to heaven and back are all liars because they all tell different stories. The same bible they use says that God is not a god of confusion....so why are pastors telling confused stories?

Energy is converted, yes. But the human body is converted to fertilizer for the soil. A different energy without consciousness.

There is nothing like the soul. Only your consciousness.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:40pm On May 23
whitelotus:



Is that what you think atheists do? Blame death of loved ones on God?


Not really. I've seen a few flip because of that. I was thinking you were in that company.

So since that's being eliminated? How did you become an atheist?
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 10:41pm On May 23
Monveronique:



Of course. You didn't do logic and you're an atheist? Pigs may fly.

you dont have to study logic in school for you to be an atheist
Everyone has common sense and therefore has the capability to do rational thinking and evaluation
which i did
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Joshthefirst(m): 10:42pm On May 23
odinson1:

By trying to add meaning and purpose to my existence...i dont need any God for that
Choi! cry
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 10:42pm On May 23
whitelotus:



I'm replying 3 to 4 people at the same time. You cannot expect me to write so much for each person

1. I'm using your Abrahamic definition of God. Is your God not omnipotent? All powerful? With great power comes great responsiblity and characteristics

2. I pointed out that all those blood money stories are just stories. Where is the video evidence of body parts turning into money? There is never proof for the spiritual

4. Evangelism is a christian word. I do not go from door to door. I am just arguing on the internet and making people aware of my own ideology.

0. You started the thread right, but the passion to comprehensively explain isnt there, you should be ready not just to give responses, but be comprehensive also.

1. With Great Power comes great responsibilities, Yes . Responsibilities to care about every single soul he created, including you. Responsibility enough to make a way of salvation for mankind. Great characteristics, well i clearly dont get what you mean by that.

2. So you are saying people arent slaughtered and thier body dismembered?

4. See this screenshot below and confirm to me you are still ignorant of a whole lot of simple things but choose to blindly lead others.

Go and make further research before coming here to lead others astray.

Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:43pm On May 23
whitelotus:



No one knows what happens after death. Near death experience is not death. People hallucinate at times in such extreme situations. All the christian pastors who claim that they went to heaven and back are all liars because they all tell different stories. The same bible they use says that God is not a god of confusion....so why are pastors telling confused stories?

Energy is converted, yes. But the human body is converted to fertilizer for the soil. A different energy without consciousness.




No comments. If you only swallow your pride and read the many comments of people who has partially died, confirmed dead by doctors and their experience you woudnt be saying this. Let me tell as a survivor of a Near death Experience. When you die, your are aware, you drift upwards, there is consciousness.

There is nothing like the soul. Only your consciousness.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 10:43pm On May 23
Monveronique:



Do you think the universe is an accident. Do you know that a few inches closer to the earth and the sun will kill off all life in the earth. Do you know that thst interplanetary forces are perfectly poised to support gravity, that microscopic differences will alter. There is no clear proof of a God but the universe is clearly designed. It's too perfect not to be. Do you know about statistical indeterminacy that you can't simultaneously determine the position and momentum of an electron?Do you know if all the empty space in an atom collapsed, all the universe will fit into a grain of sand? Scientists can not account for that they call it dark matter. It shouldn't be possible but it is. Do you think these things are coincidences?


The universe is also poorly designed. If there is a creator, he or she must be somewhat reetarded. The universe is filled with vast amounts of empty space while the earth is 70% water. Just imagine that waste.

There is no proof of a god. even if there is a creator, he or she might just be some highly powered alien. See the engineers in the Alien/Prometheus movie franchise.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:43pm On May 23
odinson1:


you dont have to study logic in school for you to be an atheist
Everyone has common sense and therefore has the capability to do rational thinking and evaluation
which i did


I'm afraid I have to leave you to your version of common sense.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 10:45pm On May 23
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I'm afraid I have to leave you to your version of common sense.[/quote goodbye then,keep living in beliefs
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:47pm On May 23
whitelotus:



The universe is also poorly designed. If there is a creator, he or she must be somewhat reetarded. The universe is filled with vast amounts of empty space while the earth is 70% water. Just imagine that waste.

There is no proof of a god. even if there is a creator, he or she might just be some highly powered alien. See the engineers in the Alien/Prometheus movie franchise.




What do you mean by "vast amounts of empty space " because this is completely stupefying. A clear law states Nature abhors a vacuum. . . but I'm sure you're unaware of that.

What do you know about design?



And your second paragraph is completely contradicting.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 10:48pm On May 23
Monveronique:




Can you point out contradictions in the bible?


An omniscient God that knows everything that will happen is somehow jealous in the bible.

A God that doesn't change moved from vengeance in the old testament to peace/salvation in the new testament.

A God that is so good but allowed slavery as an institution s

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:49pm On May 23
whitelotus:



The universe is also poorly designed. If there is a creator, he or she must be somewhat reetarded. The universe is filled with vast amounts of empty space while the earth is 70% water. Just imagine that waste.

There is no proof of a god. even if there is a creator, he or she might just be some highly powered alien. See the engineers in the Alien/Prometheus movie franchise.



Are you implying that too much water is waste? Do you know the human body is 70% water? Of course not or are you implying you're a waste too?
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 10:52pm On May 23
whitelotus:



The universe is also poorly designed. If there is a creator, he or she must be somewhat reetarded. The universe is filled with vast amounts of empty space while the earth is 70% water. Just imagine that waste.

There is no proof of a god. even if there is a creator, he or she might just be some highly powered alien. See the engineers in the Alien/Prometheus movie franchise.

Let me add to this


Let's be honest, God is not a star when it comes to the brains department.
Apparently, within days of creation he was outwitted by a crafty snake. Soon everything went pear-shaped and he regretted making humans. So he decided to try again and drowned every living thing.
That meant unnecessarily killing millions of innocent creatures but worse than that, he kept eight of the original untrustworthy humans alive hoping Noah's descendants would be better than the first lot. But they weren't and it all went wrong again.
These events would be unfortunate for any creator but God apparently has the power of omniscience and STILL didn't see the disasters coming!
God is not much better when it comes to making things. He made the penis with a foreskin and then realised it was a mistake that had to be cut off.
In Judges 1, he helped the men of Judah defeat the Canaanites but they couldn't defeat the Canaanites on the plains because they had chariots of iron--God was defeated by simple Iron Age technology.
The Bible has plenty of examples of God's errors and ineptitude that show him to be a dim and bumbling god. It is this reputation that contradicts a favourite Christian argument...
Christians often point to something complex, like DNA, or human beings and argue these things couldn't have come about without an intelligent creator. But then they claim the dim and error-prone Jewish god was the intelligent creator!
What are the chances that a god who couldn't make an iron chariot could manage complex molecular engineering? What are the chances that a god who was outwitted by a snake could plan an intricate DNA code that would form the basis of ALL living things?
If Christians really consider DNA too complex to arise naturally, why don't they search for a super-smart god that does not make simple mistakes instead of wildly claiming the dim god they were raised to believe in must have done it?
Or does anyone here think I am unreasonable?

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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Maximus69: 10:52pm On May 23
whitelotus:



Kindly explain your problem with secular humanism....

From the start i told you ATHEISM is not difficult for me to define with efficacy, but i just want to know your own definition of HUMANISM!

For your information Sir, there are atheists claiming believers and there are believers claiming atheists! This is the result of misinformation!

Jesus taught me that actions speaks louder than words! Matthew 7:15-20

So to identify REAL atheists all you need to do is watch their attitude towards the choice of others regarding lifestyles and morals, no REAL atheist will object to your choice regarding rules of conduct!
Whatever you choose is OK, just be good to others, a misinformed atheist may tell you you must accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour but what are the rules of conduct that must be kept?
He/she will begin quoting man-made ideas! cheesy

A misinformed believer may also claim atheist, he/she will continue looking for ways to reason with you but since he has been brainwashed with the concept of no Creator, there will be no specific rules to outline yet he/she will continue to feel bitter towards people who simply supposed to be free agents (according to the concept of atheism)

The concept HUMANISM makes no practical sense because 9,000,000,000 intelligent beings are known as humans on this planet today, each having his/her own ideas, opinions, plans and hobbies. So without the concept of a Supreme Being (Central unit of control) it's impossible for humans to cohabit peacefully! smiley
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:52pm On May 23
whitelotus:



An omniscient God that knows everything that will happen is somehow jealous in the bible.

A God that doesn't change moved from vengeance in the old testament to peace/salvation in the new testament.

A God that is so good but allowed slavery as an institution s

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)



1. What does it mean to be jealous?


2. Alright do you know why that happened?
3.God wasn't behind slavery. This was eastern practice, a superior tribe takes some of the conquered as slaves and btw it wasn't perpetual. There was a point when the slavemaster had to let go of the slave
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:54pm On May 23
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You don't live in belief? What are you even saying,??
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by lekbel09: 10:55pm On May 23
All the Christian's trying to advise OP and the rest of his people are just wasting their time. I have been on this forum for close to 8 years and I have seen how this atheist people are so stubborn and unyielding .

The devil has truly captured the hearts of many people through nairaland.

However, 2timothy vs 2 vs 24-26 is my prayer to them all. Peace
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Maximus69: 10:56pm On May 23
Monveronique:




I'm sorry Whether you call it holy spirit that's just semantics. There's plenty of Holy Ghost citations in the KJV but that is not the point. Why do guys not believe in the Holy spirit and speaking in tongues, a literal hell?

It's obvious you're just one of those misinformed churchgoers, so welcome my brothers and sisters coming to knock on your doors with their Bibles for discussion.

Malachi said that's what God's servants will be doing now {Malachi 3:16} and it's the only sign to know the true worshipers of God! Malachi 3:18

I'm not here to teach you, my brothers and sisters in your neighbourhood will do that, if you permit them! wink
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 10:59pm On May 23
Maximus69:


It's obvious you're just one of those misinformed churchgoers, so welcome my brothers and sisters coming to knock on your doors with their Bibles for discussion.

Malachi said that's what God's servants will be doing now {Malachi 3:16} and it's the only sign to know the true worshipers of God! Malachi 3:18

I'm not here to teach you, my brothers and sisters in your neighbourhood will do that, if you permit them! wink



I actually want to dare you to teach me if you can,? I won't bite. I have to break it to you but those brothers and sisters are headed to doom as with you if you don't recant!
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 11:02pm On May 23
Monveronique:




You don't live in belief? What are you even saying,??
what I'm saying is that i refuse to believe in what no one has ever proven to exist.
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 11:07pm On May 23
lekbel09:
All the Christian's trying to advise OP are just wasting their time. I have been on this forum for close to 8 years and I have seen how this atheist people are so stubborn and unyielding .

The devil has truly captured the hearts of many people through nairaland.

However, 2timothy vs 2 vs 24-26 is my prayer to them all. Peace
If your god exists and your religion is true, does this give you an obligation to help others who do not share your beliefs?
If you saw a child floundering in a shallow pond, you would surely feel obliged to make an effort to save its life but how much greater is your moral obligation if you see a multitude of people headed to an eternity of unimaginable agony? Could anything possibly be more important than saving them?
So why don't all religious people dedicate their lives to saving those who worship fake gods or no gods at all? Why do most religious people shrug their shoulders and say people are entitled to their own beliefs? Are we really so selfish and wicked?
This is hard to understand. Perhaps it is because you feel it is too hard to convince others that their beliefs are wrong and yours are right. But if your beliefs are true and you know they are true, it should be possible to pass that knowledge to others. After all, if you cannot do that, how can you be sure your beliefs ARE true?
I don't know why religious people are so selfish. Perhaps they will tell us. But I do have my suspicions. I suspect they don't do this because they are not really sure their own beliefs are true--they just find them agreeable and hope they are true. They have faith.
And how can you expect to convince others, if all you have is faith?
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Maximus69: 11:07pm On May 23
Monveronique:




I actually want to dare you to teach me if you can,? I won't bite. I have to break it to you but those brothers and sisters are headed to doom as with you if you don't recant!

Prove it by presenting the evidence!

God is the one coming to destroy unbelievers. Jesus said those not doing his father's will will be condemned {Matthew 7:21-23}

I've presented a global family of peace loving worshipers in the name of "Jehovah's Witnesses" {Isaiah 2:2-4} so if you think your God is coming to destroy evil people just as my God also promised, present the group that's working towards the fulfilment of what your God said! James 2:18-26

Everyone here can see that you believe (trust) in some kind of concept, but there is nothing as in NOTHING to show for it! cheesy

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