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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:08pm On May 23, 2020 |
Joshthefirst:As usual, you fail to understand and then, blame me for your lack of understanding. I gave a simple analogy to explain how in a wider sense, something can be meaningless but we humans can attach meaning and purpose to that thing. You dismissed the analogy without any sensible objections. This is not fair. Another analogy- A paradox of meaning/scale- a "heap of sand" is just sand clustered together. Now, at what point does that heap turn to a "sprinkling of sand" if we remove from the heap, grain by grain? The paradox is to show how meanings of things change at different scales and that the line drawn between them is arbitrary (ergo meaningless) This is just like how on the grand scale of things, life is meaningless and paradoxical. We are born to die. Every day we live is another day we get closer to death. Every day we live, we also die. Should the sun explode, the earth will be decimated and all our human inventions or logic will be for nothing- just gone. However, individually, we can choose to make meaning of what has no meaning. Writing on a blank slate. Joshthefirst: Christianity (religion) is dying in all developed countries. America, UK, Europe, Singapore, Japan etc. Pick any top 10 countries and you will see that they are increasingly secular. I also repeat that most Jews arent christians and most Jews do not believe in Jesus. That is a fact. Jesus failed his own people. His death was meaningless. He came for the lost sheep of isreal. The sheep are still lost. Joshthefirst: I will point you to my first paragraph. Address the points and the analogy. Dont get into your soapbox and dramatise your disdain of my beliefs or lack thereof. 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:09pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: My brain is working when I am dreaming. My brain wont work when I am dead. A clear difference 3 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by lekbel09(m): 11:13pm On May 23, 2020 |
odinson1:My brother I have been on this forum for a numer of years now and I am done trying to make people like you see the light. If your reply is to make me start typing espistles this night then you've gotten the wrongest person.��� Believe waht you want but like it or not there is a God that created heaven and Earth and his name is Jehovah. With this few points of mine I draw the curtain on our discussion Peace |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:16pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: I became an atheist after reading about slavery in the bible. It chilled me to the bone. Then, as time went on, I started seeing more and more contradicitions and then, I went on to find evidence for God............ long story short, your bible does not hold up to scrutiny |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:17pm On May 23, 2020 |
odinson1: Has anyone proven you will die? Why do you believe so? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:20pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus: What scrutiny are we talking about. And btw slavery was eastern tradition at the time. Even before the advent of Europeans in Africa, slavery was widely practiced but note that God gave the Israelites a timeline for slavery after which they were to let the slave go. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:20pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus: What scrutiny is This? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:22pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: 95% of the earth's water is salt water. You drink that water and you die. 1 Like |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:22pm On May 23, 2020 |
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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:24pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus: Really? How come it doesn't kill the fishes and aqualife if I'm to follow you to your small detracted tunnel |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Monveronique: 11:24pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus: What do you think is the function of the brain? Have you heard of the headless chicken that survived for some days before dying? How do you think that's possible? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:35pm On May 23, 2020 |
incogni2o: 0. Where is your compassion and common sense? Do you really want me to be writing epistles? Even the bible says "a word is enough for the wise" Proverbs 17:27; A wise man will be of few words: A fool may gain the reputation of being wise if he have but wit enough to hold his tongue 1. The simple story is that your God is illogical. How can an omnipotent God get jealous? Someone that knows what will happen before it happens? 2. I am saying that they are slaughtered but money does not just appear in a room after the sacrifice like how it is told in the movies. 4. Thanks for being dishonest- here is the main meaning of "evangelism" from the same dictionary;
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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:37pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: Part of the brain remained. Read the full story of mike the headless chicken. The brain is vital to our consciousness. No brain, no consciousness 1 Like |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Joshthefirst(m): 11:39pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus:I don’t fail to understand anything. It is either life actually has meaning, or it doesn’t. Since you believe life doesn’t have meaning, then any attempt at infusing any meaning to it is futile, a futile and meaningless attempt from a meaningless life, yes? Your analogy is also meaningless, eventually forgotten, empty and empty wind, as our reality is? Abi is that not what you believe. See, you cannot eat your cake and have it. You cannot claim life is meaningless and meaningful at the same time. whitelotus:I saw your red bird and killed it. We cannot bring it back to life. whitelotus:Does it really matter then? Is logic and rationality and science not meaningless and purposeless? Does death not laugh in the face of any true happiness? You see, you aren’t being honest with your beliefs. Life should be empty for you, as meaningless as death. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:41pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: Do you know what salt alone does to your body? 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:45pm On May 23, 2020 |
Monveronique: Is God not powerful to stop slavery at once? He couldnt forbid the Jews from doing it and punish anyone who refused? See the contradiction of an all powerful and merciful God? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by Nobody: 11:46pm On May 23, 2020 |
whitelotus: I became a Christian after my first encounter with the word "Christian Soldiers"! As a Muslim and Soldier carrying weapons against my fellowman wasn't pleasurable to me but i have to do it anyway because i believed in defending my country and people. So the word "Christian Soldiers" sounds preposterous because i've read the Bible several times and focusing on the Bible's main Character Jesus, there is nowhere this guy used weapons or encouraged using it, so i started asking myself "how can one be a Christian and at the same time fighting for Jesus who never engaged in physical battle?" But i soon understood fully the meaning when i met Jehovah's Witnesses! The aim of any army is to make the opposing side surrender their weapons NOT TO KILL THEM! So the best army the world never had is that which will make their enemies surrender without the use of force or weapons or records of casualties (numbers of dead oppositions) to scare them! Well Jehovah's Witnesses performed excellently in this regard. Their strategy is what the army calls PSYCHOLOGICAL APPROACH! They will not force their enemies rather they will compel them to surrender all harmful weapons willingly and wholeheartedly, not only that but each disarmed soldier of the opposing side will become part of them to start fighting on WITHOUT THE USE OF FORCE, WEAPONS NOR RECORDS OF CASUALTIES! There is no army in human history that had a great Commander in chief whose soldiers are not fighting to kill but making the opposing side surrendering peacefully, willingly and wholeheartedly like that! That's why i believe what an ancient prophet wrote about Jesus of Nazareth saying :- he will be called the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6 |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:54pm On May 23, 2020 |
Joshthefirst: The paradox of meaning should have cleared this simple point for you. A thing can mean something else on a different scale. A boat can be a few metres short of being a yatch. I am amused by your mockery, though. A sign of your unwillingness to learn 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 11:56pm On May 23, 2020 |
Maximus69: Go and sleep. You are not fooling anyone. If you talk too much, I will report you to your elders in the kingdom hall or watchtower that you are fraternising with atheists 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:18am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: 0. being comprehensive doesn't mean writing epistles, or does it ? you are twisting what prov says, totally off what you are saying, wisdom is found in being comprehensive, never in giving a short comprehensive response. 1. I already told you God is a personality similar to ours in the sense of making us in his image, you twisted your response away from that. 2. if they are killed, why is the killing increasing? your conclusions are without evidence or do you have any evidence to back up your claim. I am agnostic when it comes to that, find something logical to convince me blood money isn't real with the killings we are experiencing. 4. Funny you say I am being dishonest after exposing your ignorance, are you saying the screenshot I posted was wrong? or that I don't know an evangelist is also someone who preaches the gospel. infact, gospel means good news which is where the other definition comes from. I am not dishonest, just exposing your ignorance. Do you agree you are trying to make disciples now and lead people astray now or not? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:23am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: Thats what you are best at. making mokery of other people's beliefs and convictions without proper understanding. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 12:25am On May 24, 2020 |
incogni2o: You are wrong. The guy went into full preaching mode and I reacted appropriately. Imagine having a discussion, only for someone to start hammering gibberish at you. 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:28am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: is meaning an absolute or relative term in this context ? if relative, how do you find meaning in that relative sense. if absolute too, how do you find meaning in an absolute sense of existence. I believe in an absolute meaning though, my life should have an absolute meaning, if not, it's still meaningless in any relative way to try to explain. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 12:29am On May 24, 2020 |
incogni2o: 0. Move on. My comments are comprehensive enough. If you want epistles, join a writing club 1. God is not man, stop remixing your own bible. That the bibl 2. You are just repeating yourself on this issue. Human body parts do not turn to money. There is no magic there. Simple and short. 4. You went for the second meaning that is more colloquial. You omitted the original meaning- that was dishonest 1 Like |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:29am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: are you here to react or to reason? |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by odinson1(m): 12:33am On May 24, 2020 |
Monveronique: I dont even know where to start 3 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 12:40am On May 24, 2020 |
incogni2o: I would say the meaning is "fixed" instead of using "absolute". The meaning of words and things are fixed upon certain conditions. But once those conditions change, the meanings change. 2 Likes |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 12:41am On May 24, 2020 |
incogni2o: I'm here to reasonably react. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:41am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: 0. You continue telling yourself you are right, be comprehensive doesn't mean write epistles, you keep saying it's same. 1.My Bible tells me I am made in the image of God, I did not say God is Man. you jumped to that conclusion cos you either lack understanding or took the statement in the way you prefer. 2. I asked did you have evidence blood money doesn't exist, you say there is no magik, is that the right response? or the evidence I asked. I see you being Hypocritical with this response. You are certain you dont have an explanation but keep on giving me naive explanations. 4. Before I posted the screenshot, I already told you what evangelism meant which you refuted, didn't you? if you want to learn also, you don't just choose what to respond too. It shows you are avoiding the others and trying to show you know. lot of questions I ask you which you dont respond to. |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:44am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: which shows you are fake. Being logical and reasonable 'isn't reacting. Reacting means you are getting emotionally attached which is dangerous. Muslims react to people cursing Moamd |
Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by whitelotus: 12:46am On May 24, 2020 |
incogni2o: Do you know the definition of react? 3 Likes
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Re: I Am An Atheist And A Humanist. Ask Me Anything! Let's Talk! by incogni2o: 12:49am On May 24, 2020 |
whitelotus: changing to suite your narrative again, I wouldn't stop responding to you though. I am sure of what I believe, I am sure you are oblivious of what you believe and it's the devil that's controlling you mind. and as the Bible says : and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: |
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