bright007:




Yes the language was spoken by Yoruba slaves. I hope your ancestors weren't among the spoils of war that served the Benin Oba

No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba.

lawani:
No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba.

Lawani.....



You need sleep

lawani:
No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba.

This assertion can only be manufactured by your redundant brain.

Sorry it really hurt to know Yorubas worked as slaves in the Benin kingdom.


I know you cant take it. But pls dont drink sniper.

@bright007, this is in reply to your 9:32pm comment.

I'm not sure why you (or the mod who banned me) were worried about my evidence-based contents.

bright007:


Worried? Why should I be worried when your propaganda has been disbanded?


Anyone following this thread should get the full gist now and know where to stand in this debate

Sure, anyone following would have noticed how you wish the evidence I provided didn't exist, and how you wish that I was banned. Lol.

bright007:


This assertion can only be manufactured by your redundant brain.

Sorry it really hurt to know Yorubas worked as slaves in the Benin kingdom.

I know you cant take it. But pls dont drink sniper.

bright007:




Yes the language was spoken by Yoruba slaves. I hope your ancestors weren't among the spoils of war that served the Benin Oba

(1) Your hypocricy is disgraceful only to your own self.

Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or peopele from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the "Baribas".

Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending.

Moreover, I am still amazed as to how a handful of slaves could have influenced the Benin King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language -- Yoruba language.

They even managed the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

Logically then, the respective events of my article is clearly and obviously different and distinct from the event of your article.

The events of my article shows that Yorubas were administrators in Benin Kingdom, and that Yoruba language became Benin kingdom's lingua-franca.

This is in sharp contrast to the event of your own article which admits that the said Yoruba speakers here are possibly not Yorubas ethnically. And that they were enslaved not employed as administrators. Big difference! Lol.

In sum, both articles speaks to different and distinct events obviously. Open up your mind. Lol.

(2) See attached for how Ibadan forces sacked and slave-raided territories of your Benin Kingdom.

From R.E. Bradbury himself.

YauYamba:


(1) Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or some people from other ethnic group who have simply adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the Baribas.

Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending.

Moreover, a handful of slaves could not possibly have influenced the King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language.

The events of my article and of yours are clearly different and distinct, though both true.

See this link here for my earliwr cimment in this:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846948/benin-yoruba-empire/5#89957911

(2) See attached for how Ibadan forces sacked and slave-raided territories of your Benin Kingdom.

From R.E. Bradbury himself.

What's your argument exactly?

The article clearly states that these slaves were Yoruba!
And the uncertainty has to do with " if they were from Oyo".

Pls read.


Pls desist from saying the oba , the chiefs and the soldiers spoke Yoruba as no where in the article did it say the lies you are propagating.

It was the Lucumies that were Yoruba that spoke the language. So there was no language influence whatsoever. Pls use your brain. How can slaves influence their master to the extent the Oba and chiefs changes their language?

Common sense should tell you that the reason the Lucumies were speaking Yoruba was because they didn't understand the language of the Oba and the indigenous people.


I will respond to your last propaganda in due time

bright007:


What's your argument exactly?

The article clearly states that these slaves were Yoruba!
And the uncertainty has to do with " if they were from Oyo".

Pls read.


Pls desist from saying the oba , the chiefs and the soldiers spoke Yoruba as no where in the article did it say the lies you are propagating.

It was the Lucumies that were Yoruba that spoke the language. So there was no language influence whatsoever. Pls use your brain. How can slaves influence their master to the extent the Oba and chiefs changes their language?

Common sense should tell you that the reason the Lucumies were speaking Yoruba was because they didn't understand the language of the Oba and the indigenous people.


I will respond to your last propaganda in due time

Baribas are obviously not Yorubas ethnically. Anyone who have read one relevant book on the subject should know.

In other words, your article's mention of "Yoruba" there is in reference to people who speak Yoruba generally (not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba.

Its inclusion of the Baribas, for example, gives this away quickly.

And your article clearly expresses its doubt and uncertainty as to whether or not the Yorubas proper (i.e. Yourubas ethnically) were among those slaves.


Once again, free your mind and read carefully below:




Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or peopele from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the "Baribas".

Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending.

Moreover, I am still amazed as to how a handful of slaves could have influenced the Benin King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language -- Yoruba language.

They even managed the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom. Lol.

Logically then, the respective events of my article is clearly and obviously different and distinct from the event of your article.

The events of my article shows that Yorubas were administrators in Benin Kingdom, and that Yoruba language became Benin kingdom's lingua-franca.

This is in sharp contrast to the event of your own article which admits that the said Yoruba speakers here are possibly not Yorubas ethnically. And that they were enslaved not employed as administrators. Big difference! Lol.

In sum, both articles speaks to different and distinct events obviously. Open up your mind. Lol.

YauYamba:


Baribas are obviously not Yorubas ethnically. Anyone who have read a relevant book on the subject should know.

In other words, your article's mention of Lucumies there is in reference to peopele who speak Yoruba generally (not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba.

Its inclusion of the Baribas, for example, gives this away quickly.

And your article clearly expresses its doubt and uncertainty as to whether or not the Yorubas proper (i.e. Yourubas ethnically) were among those slaves.


Once again, free your mind and read carefully below:




Your article obviously made it clear that it was unsure and uncertain if the said Yoruba-speaking slaves were actually Yorubas ethnically, or peopele from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language, e.g. the "Baribas".

Your article admitted this. So, stop pretending.

Moreover, I am still amazed as to how a handful of slaves could have influenced the Benin King, his chiefs, and the whole Kingdom into adopting a foreign language -- Yoruba language.

They even managed the administrative affairs of Benin Kingdom.

Logically then, the respective events of my article is clearly and obviously different and distinct from the event of your article.

The events of my article shows that Yorubas were administrators in Benin Kingdom, and that Yoruba language became Benin kingdom's lingua-franca.

This is in sharp contrast to the event of your own article which admits that the said Yoruba speakers here are possibly not Yorubas ethnically. And that they were enslaved not employed as administrators. Big difference! Lol.

In sum, both articles speaks to different and distinct events obviously. Open up your mind. Lol.

First the writer mentioned that the Lucumies were Yoruba. Pls read that line like twenty times so you can comprehend it.

Then the writer went further to list 3 types of Lucumies.

1) the main Lucumies are from Oyo ( emphasis on main)

2) lucumi bariba

3) Lucumi sabe.

Now the writer say the Lucumies employed in the palace are possibly but necessarily from Oyo. As much as the writer wasn't sure if the Lucumies employed in the palace were from Oyo, he wasn't also sure they were not from Oyo.

In one of the supporting documents you posted, it was specifically stated that the onukumi are a small group of eastern Yoruba people. I dont know why you are trying to separate the lucumi identity from the Yoruba at this point of the argument when you have admitted severally that they were Yorubas.

Is it because you have been enlightened they were slaves in the Oba's palace?

bright007:


First the writer mentioned that the Lucumies were Yoruba. Pls read that line like twenty times so you can comprehend it.

Then the writer went further to list 3 types of Lucumies.

1) the main Lucumies are from Oyo ( emphasis on main)

2) lucumi bariba

3) Lucumi sabe.

Now the writer say the Lucumies employed in the palace are possibly but necessarily from Oyo. As much as the writer wasn't sure if the Lucumies employed in the palace were from Oyo, he wasn't also sure they were not from Oyo.

In one of the supporting documents you posted, it was specifically stated that the onukumi are a small group of eastern Yoruba people. I dont know why you are trying to separate the lucumi identity from the Yoruba at this point of the argument when you have admitted severally that they were Yorubas.

Is it because you have been enlightened they were slaves in the Oba's palace?

You're only affirming my point, but your bigotry isn't letting you realize that yet.

Sandoval documented to the effect that:

"These "foreign Lucumies" were Yorubas, possibly but necessarily from Oyo, ..."

The author (Thornton) here highlighted this clause because Sandoval himself identified three types of these foreign Lucumies -- i.e. three types of these Yorubas.

The three types of such "foreign Lucumies" are Oyo, Chabe, and Barbas.

But guess what Baribas (at least I know) are not Yorubas ethnically.

However, a few of them sometimes adopted the Yoruba language and they speak it till date.

The clarification of the word "Yorubas" as used in that context thus becomes obvious.

In other word, not necessarily people whose ethnicity is Yoruba -- but people who speak the language whether by adoption or by ethnicity.

So, the mention of "Yorubas" (in that particular context) could refer to any of Oyo, Chabe, or Barbas -- according to Thornton and Sandoval himself.

But guess what! Your source was honest enough to say that we don't know which of these "Yorubas" is being talked about -- i.e. he doesn't know if it was Oyo, Chabe, or Barbas precisely.

bright007:


First the writer mentioned that the Lucumies were Yoruba. Pls read that line like twenty times so you can comprehend it.

Then the writer went further to list 3 types of Lucumies.

1) the main Lucumies are from Oyo ( emphasis on main)

2) lucumi bariba

3) Lucumi sabe.

Now the writer say the Lucumies employed in the palace are possibly but necessarily from Oyo. As much as the writer wasn't sure if the Lucumies employed in the palace were from Oyo, he wasn't also sure they were not from Oyo.

In one of the supporting documents you posted, it was specifically stated that the onukumi are a small group of eastern Yoruba people. I dont know why you are trying to separate the lucumi identity from the Yoruba at this point of the argument when you have admitted severally that they were Yorubas.

Is it because you have been enlightened they were slaves in the Oba's palace?

They will soon tell you, it ain't clear that the writeup is bad they can't see it properly because its blur....

But no excuse for them i got a clearer one here

The name lucumies was even derived from benin
To refer to the yoruba people


The yoruba should adopt thier original benin name and drop the hausa given forsaken name that affect you all

gregyboy:
The name lucumies was even derived from benin
To refer to the yoruba people


The yoruba should adopt thier original benin name and drop the hausa given forsaken name that affect you all

gregy u are the dumbest bini boy on nairaland I swear. What u posted never said lucumi was a name derives from Benin but argue that it was first heard there due to the fact that the olukumi communities lived in Benin that were into chalk production. What does olukumi mean in Bini language. Read to understand. U lack an ability to comprehend what u read

YauYamba:


Again your own attachment confirms my point that Benin Kingdom adopted Yoruba language as lingua franca.

It says towards the end (citing the same French father I cited earlier) that:




"A Breton Capuchin, Colombino de Nantes, noted that by the 1630s Yoruba (Lucumi) was a lingua franca of muchof the coast."




It clearly says that this lingua-franca called Lucumi is one and the same thing as Yoruba -- your last straw has just been demolished.

Again it cited! the same French missionary I cited earlier -- who wrote that Benin adopted same foreign language as its lingua-franca.

But you're free to ignore whatever won't let you sleep at night. Lol.

Now you have agreed that the Lucumies are Yorubas as opposed to your earlier stance.

We are progressing.

If the Lucumies were Yorubas and they were employed to serve the Oba, how is it possible that slaves influenced the mother tongue of the king , the chiefs and the soldiers?

Let your brain figure that out if it is working properly.

As for the french writer, his claims are debatable and will require another independent source to corroborate it.

From all the books you have read about Benin kingdom, he was the only one that made such claims despite not being the only visitor to the Benin kingdom as at that time.

Many writers wrote explicitly about the Benin kingdom in great details and none ever mentioned that there was a change of language at anytime in history of the kingdom.

Such an important assertion can not be proved by one wild claim.

He may have met and interacted with only the slaves who run errands in the kingdom. The Oba of Benin at that as well the chiefs were not open to receiving visitors not to mention a mere missionary who was on a trip to propagate his religion.

bright007:




Now you have agreed that the Lucumies are Yorubas as opposed to your earlier stance.

We are progressing.

If the Lucumies were Yorubas and they were employed to serve the Oba, how is it possible that slaves influenced the mother tongue of the king , the chiefs and the soldiers?

Let your brain figure that out if it is working properly.

As for the french writer, his claims are debatable and will require another independent source to corroborate it.

From all the books you have read about Benin kingdom, he was the only one that made such claims despite not being the only visitor to the Benin kingdom as at that time.

Many writers wrote explicitly about the Benin kingdom in great details and none ever mentioned that there was a change of language at anytime in history of the kingdom.

Such an important assertion can not be proved by one wild claim.

He may have met and interacted with only the slaves who run errands in the kingdom. The Oba of Benin at that as well the chiefs were not open to receiving visitors not to mention a mere missionary who was on a trip to propagate his religion.

don’t know who u are but is seems u are as dumb as Gregy too. TAO11 never denied lucumi were Yoruba it was obvious. The point was relating to the scholars who said there were 3 types of lucumi from oyo, chabe or Bariba. But bariba are not Yoruba they only speak the language hence his refrence to them as also lucumi but not proper. Now the author said he wasn’t sure if the lucumi was proper lucumi which is oyo or just bariba who just speaks lucumi. No one knows for sure. With that said several sources claim that lucumis were employ as administrators in ur bini kingdom and not only that lucumi was the lingual Franca. U can do ur further research to dispute it but until u do it remains credible.

Honorable lawani


Cc: lawani


Author Lawani believed olukunmi people firsf moved out from benin to settle in delta state he never one day thought otherwise he is the only author we have on nairaland he is so lazy to do research i believe he is an elderly man......



Here is the story of the olukumi people

Like the hausa will say Yoruba(cunny people

See the way the olukunmi people paint the whole story just to avoid the fact benin conquered them
They turned the whole conquering to just migration from ondo to benin then to esan then to delta state.....
And peeps like lawani got confused and misread it and felt he has seen his food


Time to eat lawani..... Food is ready ooh

Moneywomen17:
gregy u are the dumbest bini boy on nairaland I swear. What u posted never said lucumi was a name derives from Benin but argue that it was first heard there due to the fact that the olukumi communities lived in Benin that were into chalk production. What does olukumi mean in Bini language. Read to understand. U lack an ability to comprehend what u read

Baba it is called deduction........you are the one that have reasoning and assimilation problems


I didnt say the article mentioned benin gave the name olukunmi neither in my previous comment on ijesha royalty did i mention the article saying the benin crowned the ijesha king....

With the little info you read from an article you can draw your conclusion....


Your brothers have been doing same drawing off point conclusions since you didn't bother calling them names



The name ijebu was gotten from benin

When benin captures the ijebu people as sacrifice and throw them in the benin River and they make the sound jebuuuu.... It sweetness our heart the sacrifice were accepted and we Nickname them ijebu


Olukunmi means chalk makers in benin language


You didnt calk

gregyboy:



Baba it is called deduction........you are the one that reasoning and assimilation


I didnt say the article mentioned benin gave the name olukunmi neither in my previous comment on ijesha royalty did i mention the article saying the benin crowned the ijesha king....

With the little info you read from an article you can draw your conclusion....


Your brothers have been doing same drawing off point conclusions since you didn't bother calling them names



The name ijebu was gotten from benin

When benin captures the ijebu people as sacrifice and throw them in the benin River and they make the sound jebuuuu.... It sweetness our heart the sacrifice were accepted and we Nickname them ijebu


Olukunmi means chalk makers in benin language


You didnt calk

ode so u admit that u are dumb and merely drawing off point conclusions. I rest my case cause nothing in the article claim Benin named the olukumi rather they were merely living there. Meanwhile it’s olukumi not olukunmi. Check the meaning in Yoruba on google cuz I don’t have time to lecture ur dumbass. There is nothing to deduce from what u posted other than the fact that olukumj were already a community in Benin who were into chalk production. If olukunmi in edo language means chalk maker. Which one is chalk and which one is maker. Meanwhile several sources already affirm that the lucumi language was the lingua Franca of Benin and this is not of point conclusion but actual fact. we also gave ur name bini. Without Yoruba ur name will not exist nor ur monarchy. Accept the bitter truth.
At the bolded u need help.

gregyboy:
Honorable lawani


Cc: lawani


Author Lawani believed olukunmi people firsf moved out from benin to settle in delta state he never one day thought otherwise he is the only author we have on nairaland he is so lazy to do research i believe he is an elderly man......



Here is the story of the olukumi people

Like the hausa will say Yoruba(cunny people

See the way the olukunmi people paint the whole story just to avoid the fact benin conquered them
They turned the whole conquering to just migration from ondo to benin then to esan then to delta state.....
And peeps like lawani got confused and misread it and felt he has seen his food


Time to eat lawani..... Food is ready ooh

u are a dumbass. The oral story matched with historical facts. According to what u posted it says the olukumi community did come from Yoruba land and were in Benin involved in chalk production and the oral story also affirms they came from Yoruba land then to Benin before going to their current location.how is that painting a picture when there is a lot of fact to back it up from multiple source including the one ur dumb self posted chai. How u manage to contradict urself in little over 2 post is why u are referred to as dumbboy the number one dumbass of Benin kingdom.
Did the olukumi come from Yoruba land: YES
Did they move to Benin: another Yes (and they were even involve in chalk production according to what u posted)
Did they move to their current location from Benin: another huge Yes.
Where was a picture painted that doesn’t match the true story.

Moneywomen17:
ode so u admit that u are dumb and merely drawing off point conclusions. I rest my case cause nothing in the article claim Benin named the olukumi rather they were merely living there. Meanwhile it’s olukumi not olukunmi. Check the meaning in Yoruba on google cuz I don’t have time to lecture ur dumbass. There is nothing to deduce from what u posted other than the fact that olukumj were already a community in Benin who were into chalk production. If olukunmi in edo language means chalk maker. Which one is chalk and which one is maker. Meanwhile several sources already affirm that the lucumi language was the lingua Franca of Benin and this is not of point conclusion but actual fact. we also gave ur name bini. Without Yoruba ur name will not exist nor ur monarchy. Accept the bitter truth.

Dumb ass there was any yoruba influence on benin


Moneywomen17 i dare you
Provide me writing evidence of ife-benin connections over the 400yrs of trading with the Europeans if the french and other European could recognize lucumies in benin i don't see why ife who established benin monarchy wouldn't have been noticed or even oyo relationship with benin father(oyo) and son (benin) when the oba heads were usually taken to ife after every reign....

The truth is it never existed eweka said it for political sake to join benin under tge umbrella of yoruba and he said that our lost prince went to establish ife and not the other way around



If you cant provide me with this evidence of benin-ife and oyo-benin connection make you just go sleep make other yoruba come talk better thing



Watch out for my thread benin infleunce on yorubas

gregyboy:



Dumb ass there was any yoruba influence on benin


Moneywomen17 i dare you
Provide me writing evidence of ife-benin connections over the 400yrs of trading with the Europeans if the french and other European could recognize lucumies in benin i don't see why ife who established benin monarchy wouldn't have been noticed or even oyo relationship with benin father(oyo) and son (benin) when the oba heads were usually taken to ife after every reign....

The truth is it never existed eweka said it for political sake to join benin under tge umbrella of yoruba and he said that our lost prince went to establish ife and not the other way around



If you cant provide me with this evidence of benin-ife and oyo-benin connection make you just go sleep make other yoruba come talk better thing



Watch out for my thread benin infleunce on yorubas

what of the ones that TAO11 has provided on eye witness account what have u done with it.. the French and Europeans recognized lucumi as ur lingua franca. Ur name bini(yoruba) ur oba (Yoruba) doesn’t mean shit in edo. Ur monarch from ife several sources wrote about it including ur own son eghraveba who got his own source straight from the king elders and chiefs of Benin. Ur gods that u worship in Benin like Ogun and co are Yoruba. Ogboni that u tried to claim another Yoruba influence. Accept the bitter truth and stop fooling ur dumb self on nairaland.

Moneywomen17:
u are a dumbass. The oral story matched with historical facts. According to what u posted it says the olukumi community did come from Yoruba land and were in Benin involved in chalk production and the oral story also affirms they came from Yoruba land then to Benin before going to their current location.how is that painting a picture when there is a lot of fact to back it up from multiple source including the one ur dumb self posted chai. How u manage to contradict urself in little over 2 post is why u are referred to as dumbboy the number one dumbass of Benin kingdom.
Did the olukumi come from Yoruba land: YES
Did they move to Benin: another Yes (and they were even involve in chalk production according to what u posted)
Did they move to their current location from Benin: another huge Yes.
Where was a picture painted that doesn’t match the true story.

Oga dont get me wrong i can never contradict myself


And i dont have time to explain any shit to you


I posted that screenshot for lawani


On the other hand........ Because the article said they once migrated doesn't make me believe that
Olukumi is different lukunmies

The Europeans reported lucumies as servants in the palace Nothing was said about olukumi

If we are to believe they settle in benin and esan before finally settling at delta state you have to prove it to me....... In my mentioned i clear stated i didnt believe in thier false migration

I post articles to draw dedication from the info given, i dont post articles to believe completely what The author said....

Person wen i mention understand my post. You amebo say na you know pass

Moneywomen17:
what of the ones that TAO11 has provided on eye witness account what have u done with it.. the French and Europeans recognized lucumi as ur lingua franca. Ur name bini(yoruba) ur oba (Yoruba) doesn’t mean shit in edo. Ur monarch from ife several sources wrote about it including ur own son eghraveba who got his own source straight from the king elders and chiefs of Benin. Ur gods that u worship in Benin like Ogun and co are Yoruba. Ogboni that u tried to claim another Yoruba influence. Accept the bitter truth and stop fooling ur dumb self on nairaland.

You dont read,


You and lawani na one rope tie una.......




You speaking out of assumptions


The scrrenshot nareate oba eweka version of Oduduwa are we to believe that or should we believe the ifes account


Anyone you choose give me reasons

Moneywomen17:
don’t know who u are but is seems u are as dumb as Gregy too. TAO11 never denied lucumi were Yoruba it was obvious. The point was relating to the scholars who said there were 3 types of lucumi from oyo, chabe or Bariba. But bariba are not Yoruba they only speak the language hence his refrence to them as also lucumi but not proper. Now the author said he wasn’t sure if the lucumi was proper lucumi which is oyo or just bariba who just speaks lucumi. No one knows for sure. With that said several sources claim that lucumis were employ as administrators in ur bini kingdom and not only that lucumi was the lingual Franca. U can do ur further research to dispute it but until u do it remains credible.

You are the dumb one here with comprehension problems.

Out of the numerous writers that wrote on the Benin history, no one wrote anything about the Benin kingdom having to

1) First change its language from Edo to Yoruba

2) Then later to Edo again.

If you have excellent reasoning, you would know the account of the french writer is either false, a misconception or he visited some other places he thought were part of the Benin kingdom. His statements opposes common sense on the matter on ground.

If you think otherwise, how is it possible Yoruba slaves that served the king in the palace influenced the king to change his mother tongue to Yoruba?

At what time did the king decide to change back to Edo language?

If you cant provide this, then let common sense guide you.

TAO11:


(1) This is like saying there is no evidence that Benin Kingdom had any historical event at all in the 1600s, etc.

This is because the only eyewitness evidence we have of past historical events in Benin was from the reports of these visitors.

We didn't write those accounts ourselves. Lol.

So, you have a lot of things to illogicaly reject, and by the time you are done with your illogical rejection, historical Benin Kingdom will be non-existent, at least in your mind.

(2) Probably that's why the visiting Europeans and the local Binis never communicated with each other since their first contact in the year c.1490. Lol.

(3) What about our ancestors who were not "brought up" in these foreign languages, but yet learnt them to communicate during the early years of their first contacts with these foreign visitors?

May be they never communicated. Who knows!? Lol.

(4) How did Latin become the lingua-franca of all of Europe? Did the Latins set up a class to teach all Europeans Latin?

Again, think about "Eweka" from "Owo mi ka" -- the young lad's first words. Your answer may lie here. Don't ignore.

(5) The same report does not talk about the decline of Latin throughout Europe, hence Latin was never once the lingua-franca of Europe.

Moreover, if I'm writing today as an eyewitness of the prevalence of English as a lingua-franca in Nigeria, I can't possibly document an eyewiness account of the decline of same lingua-franca.

Such decline will perhaps happen only in the future, centuries from now. Any such report I give about decline is not an eyewitness report but a prophesy.

Hmmm! The kind of reasoning we see from you guys is so pathetic to say the least.

Yet you indicated somewhere that you're different from the normal Binis who "can't reason critically".

Sighs!

(6) "Scared" to include things that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual purpose of the report??

Again, the report was a note, by this church Father, to the higher authorities back in France -- explaining to them that "climate" and "language" is not even a barrier for settling in Benin for missionary purposes.

He said their climate is "good" unlike in other parts of the Guinea, and their lingu-franca "is easy".

How is the name of the then ruler supposed to be one of such essential factors to be included in his note to the church leaders?

So that the leaders back in France may pray over the ruler's name before coming?

I want YOU to provide me with evidence of decline of Latin in Europe

Moneywomen17:
ode so u admit that u are dumb and merely drawing off point conclusions. I rest my case cause nothing in the article claim Benin named the olukumi rather they were merely living there. Meanwhile it’s olukumi not olukunmi. Check the meaning in Yoruba on google cuz I don’t have time to lecture ur dumbass. There is nothing to deduce from what u posted other than the fact that olukumj were already a community in Benin who were into chalk production. If olukunmi in edo language means chalk maker. Which one is chalk and which one is maker. Meanwhile several sources already affirm that the lucumi language was the lingua Franca of Benin and this is not of point conclusion but actual fact. we also gave ur name bini. Without Yoruba ur name will not exist nor ur monarchy. Accept the bitter truth.
At the bolded u need help[].

lucumi was never the lingua franca of Benin...use ur common sense

lawani:
[s]Pls if you can not be polite, do stop commenting on my post. The Benin palace had a palace language and that language was Yoruba. Deal with it[/s].

U talk like someone struggling with jamb

lawani:
No, the language was spoken by the royalty, soldiers, judges, and all empire builders. They even went as far as naming new towns like agenebode a Yoruba name. Ago onibode means outpost of the sentry in Yoruba.

agenebode is not related to ago onibode...

where is ur source

Igbosmoker:
From ondo to Lagos, then ekiti to even osun and ibadan you'll see some Benin presence.

So of your king's even have ada vbe eben a staffs meant to show allegiance to Benin kingdom.

The only thing Yoruba have is population and because Benin people were kind not to enforce their language to the territories they conquered.

Hence ondo and Lagos would have been speaking Benin

I'm Igbo to tell the truth....why did the first Oba of Benin from Ife?

Etinosa1234:


U talk like someone struggling with jamb

Why is it not Ogiso of Benin. Why Oba of Benin?
Kindly tell me

Mraphel:

I'm Igbo to tell the truth....why did the first Oba of Benin from Ife?

You're igbo and you created a thread to spite igbos


Mumu man



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