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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 9:23pm On May 26, 2020
TATIME:
You're still with Emusan! undecided undecided undecided

Even freshboi88 has surrendered after seeing that all his arguments are futile! cheesy cheesy cheesy

Leave Emusan to continue hitting his head on the wall! smiley smiley smiley
Going through the thread now, emusan has finished u all
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:39pm On May 26, 2020
Emusan:
1)
I know this really pains you enter marrow, that's why you want to die in severe pain.

Just imagine only you spammed my mention more than 9 times! I must be really tormenting you in your dream.

2)
You better give your life to Christ before it's too late


(3)
So I don't have power to Russell fate but you hypocrite JWs have power to determine another people fate!

That's why you people will remain an hypocrite forever.


From the scripture, God hates idolatry which is worshipping another being along the true God.

Now, Russell and his team worshipped Jesus which you people claimed is an idolatry.

Do you need special deliverance to know that Russell did what Jehovah detests? Which Revation even said their end is lake of fire.
1)
Emusan GRAND DELUSION .
Have you not been writing my NL moniker in your posts? grin grin

2).
Idol WORSHIPPER, Matthew 4:10,Rev3:5 Jesus Christ is talking to you.
WORSHIP the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

3).
My Mama soup (I mean JW) Sweet pass the JUNK of idol WORSHIPPERS grin.
It's for the same reasoning why Kumuyi and him Slave call you and your Trinity crew IDOL WORSHIPPERS grin.

Acts 24:15
" I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked"


I have freeness of speech and freedom of speech.
If your way pure , you no go vex.
Because your way no pure, JW matter dey give you sifia pains & sleepless nights. grin


The Jealous God Yahweh is going to resurrect idol worshippers, Emusan deal WITH IT !

Ordinary Clay wants to decide for the Magnificent Potter.
TUEH !!!!!!!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:46pm On May 26, 2020
freshboi88:
Going through the thread now, emusan has finished u all
FRESH GIBBERISH. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by letu(m): 10:03pm On May 26, 2020
freshboi88:
Shut up Ur smelling mouth there, u r not on my level won't stoop as low as arguing with you.
Somehow this makes you feel alright, so much for I want to be like Christ as a Christian see the kind of language/things that's coming out from your mouth grin grin grin grin.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:04pm On May 26, 2020
Emusan:
So how is Russell and his team end up worshipped and reverence Jesus Christ?




So why did Russell and his team worshipped Jesus till they died?
The Trinitarian FRAUD of Hebrews 1:6 MISLEAD vast generations of sincere Bible readers since inception of the KJV.
The Mercies of the Magnificent Potter, Yahweh can speak for those in the past DECEIVED by the Trinitarian FRAUD

Acts 24:15 & Romans 9:14-21 still dey your Bible?


Yahweh's Mercies can not speak for today's IDOL WORSHIPPERS who deliberately PERSISTS with the Trinitarian FRAUD and ignore Jesus Christ's wise advice of Matthew 4:10
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:39am On May 27, 2020
Emusan:
1)So how did David commit idolatry and he didn't know according to you?

2)So are people not TRYING TO IMPROVE in what they do today?

3)Yet they still uphold the very doctrines of what they separated from, so what is the essence of the separation?

4)So the others who were making further research that the idol worshippers killed, are they JWs or Followers of Christ?

5)So what make this people and idol worshippers?

I know you'll boycott these questions as usual.
(1) All what David did with Bathsheba was IDOLATRY according to Paul's {Col 3:5} David ordinarily will never bow to an idol due to he knew from God's law {Exo 20:2-4} but because he didn't know that what he did was tantamount to IDOLATRY that's why he did it. So far so good he did made corrections to the level of what he knew back then, yet accurate knowledge of God eludes him because he never met Christ the only person who impact the knowledge of God in us! Joh 14:6

(2)No! Because God's people according to Paul must have the same line of thought (Rom 15:5-6; 1Cor 1:10} there shouldn't be differences in rules of conduct, Russell and his team did all they could see reasons with the churches in America but they told him bluntly "go and start your own, this is what our founder lay down" so the same thing is happening today Sir, all Christians supposed to have the same line of thought regarding justice, only the group that continued with Russell's further research that's going to meet people at home to make that possible today, all what you guys will say is "find a Bible believing Church" when there is Contradictions everywhere!

(3) Separation becomes necessary when you notice dogmatism in the people you worship with, Russell and his team noticed that the church is not meeting up with the requirements of pure worship but they don't know what was the cause until they separated {Rev 18:4} then Jesus (in spirit) began putting them through gradually as his custom! Hebr 13:8

(4) Jesus came to rescue sinners {Matthew 9:13} so no matter how degrading your former beliefs as long as you're gradually making research for the truth Jesus (TRUTH) will cherish you! Joh 14:6

(5) You only become an idol worshiper in God's view when you're furious at those trying to make further research on what you all knew but if you produce what is expected, those leaving are now the idol worshipers, because where the spirit of God dwells there must be improvement! 1Cor 14:33
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:44am On May 27, 2020
freshboi88:
Going through the thread now, emusan has finished u all
Really pathetic! huh huh huh

Emusan is dying slowly out of heart attack seeing God's people who are in harmony where love, joy and peace reigns. He wants to prove them wrong but he couldn't so he's now frustrated and so ashamed to hide his face! Isaiah 54:17 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:57am On May 27, 2020
freshboi88:
Going through the thread now, emusan has finished u all
Just as you did before you disappeared into tin air! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:39am On May 27, 2020
Maximus69:
Just as you did before you disappeared into tin air! cheesy
Before I went to make loads of cash u mean....On the flip side, why dnt u deal with the fact that Russel was an idol worshipper. Rutherford was also into the trade of worshipping idols.

Nd u r a descendant of idol worshippers.


When u come to terms with that we can continue discussing
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:41am On May 27, 2020
TATIME:
Really pathetic! huh huh huh

Emusan is dying slowly out of heart attack seeing God's people who are in harmony where love, joy and peace reigns. He wants to prove them wrong but he couldn't so he's now frustrated and so ashamed to hide his face! Isaiah 54:17 embarassed embarassed embarassed
That doesn't mean that Russell and his team weren't idol worshipper. Did he or did he not worship and revere Jesus.?

If yes....doesn't tht make u a descendant of idol worshipping

Deal with that....dnt run away from it, cos it's not going to go away
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:43am On May 27, 2020
letu:
Somehow this makes you feel alright, so much for I want to be like Christ as a Christian see the kind of language/things that's coming out from your mouth grin grin grin grin.
What language, what's wrong saying I dnt want to argue with u, or telling a kid to keep shut.i c no wrong there boy!

By the way deal with the fact that Russell and his team are idol worshippers who are in hell right now
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:46am On May 27, 2020
Janosky:
FRESH GIBBERISH. grin grin grin grin grin
U r laughing, not amusing boy. I'm sure it laughing at Ur foolishness.

U have no response to @Emusan. Shame on you.

If Russell and his team Worshipped Jesus that makes him an idol worshipper according to u. So he is in hell right now....deal with that
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:21am On May 27, 2020
What you guys failed to realize is the fact that the one and only nation God sanctified for himself was Israel, all other nations were IDOL WORSHIPERS! cheesy

It's our love for the true God that's making us navigate towards him as we keep striving to know him.

So who is an idol worshiper?

From God's viewpoint, it's those who refuses to accept correction and according to the Bible there was no time when people who accepts counseling are more than those who remain in falsehood, Satan always have the majority! 1Joh 5:19

For all of you to have come from different religious groups claiming worshipers of God with your contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines is enough proof that you're all IDOL WORSHIPERS.
Our ancestors worshiped many deities with different norms and standards, so it's evident you people are still worshiping those demons unknowingly! wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:27am On May 27, 2020
Janosky:
1)
Janosky GRAND DELUSION .
Have you not been writing my NL moniker in your posts? grin grin
I put your moniker where it fitted....

So stop spamming my mention.... I know you're doing that in other to make everything confusing and your lies are covered.

2).
Idol WORSHIPPER, Matthew 4:10,Rev3:5 Jesus Christ is talking to you.
WORSHIP the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So Jesus Christ wasn't talking to Russell and his team in Matt 4:10, Rev 3:5 or that place was written after their death?

Hypocrite!

3).
My Mama soup (I mean JW) Sweet pass the JUNK of idol WORSHIPPERS grin.
It's for the same reasoning why Kumuyi and him Slave call you and your Trinity crew IDOL WORSHIPPERS grin.
Just as very pathetic that your own demonic organization called his founder an idolater. Kumuyi can anyone idol worshippers including JWs but your organization calling its own founder an idol worshipper is the height of it when you know both claim to be directed by the same SPIRIT.

Acts 24:15
" I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked"

I have freeness of speech and freedom of speech.
If your way pure , you no go vex.
Because your way no pure, JW matter dey give you sifia pains & sleepless nights. grin
It's obvious here that you never addressed any of my points but just perambulating up and down.

You said only God can determine Russell and his team who worshipped Jesus Christ and later became idol worshippers.

Here is my point again:

So I don't have power to Russell fate but you hypocrite JWs have power to determine another people fate!

That's why you people will remain an hypocrite forever.

From the scripture, God hates idolatry which is worshipping another being along the true God.
Now, Russell and his team worshipped Jesus which you people claimed is an idolatry.

Do you need special deliverance to know that Russell did what Jehovah detests? Which Revation even said their end is lake of fire.

The Jealous God Yahweh is going to resurrect idol worshippers, Emusan deal WITH IT !
So what happened if jealous God Yahweh resurrected the IDOL WORSHIPPERS?

But I thought Russell is already with Christ ruling in heaven.

Ordinary Clay wants to decide for the Magnificent Potter.
TUEH !!!!!!!
Are you not deciding for this same magnificent Potter by claiming other aren't part of His kingdom?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:53am On May 27, 2020
Maximus69:
(1) All what David did with Bathsheba was IDOLATRY according to Paul's {Col 3:5} David ordinarily will never bow to an idol due to he knew from God's law {Exo 20:2-4} but because he didn't know that what he did was tantamount to IDOLATRY that's why he did it. So far so good he did made corrections to the level of what he knew back then, yet accurate knowledge of God eludes him because he never met Christ the only person who impact the knowledge of God in us! Joh 14:6
So did David die by continue to commit adultery or immediately he slept with Bathsheba?

Did God condemn David for what he did?

Did David repent from that act and was another such incident recorded about him in the Bible again?

These are the questions that beg for answers but as usual you will boycott them just as you can't point a single verse from the scripture to support your GOD'S PROPHETS died as idolaters.

(2)No! Because God's people according to Paul must have the same line of thought (Rom 15:5-6; 1Cor 1:10} there shouldn't be differences in rules of conduct, Russell and his team did all they could see reasons with the churches in America but they told him bluntly "go and start your own, this is what our founder lay down" so the same thing is happening today Sir, all Christians supposed to have the same line of thought regarding justice, only the group that continued with Russell's further research that's going to meet people at home to make that possible today, all what you guys will say is "find a Bible believing Church" when there is Contradictions everywhere!
If this is true, then why is there DIFFERENCES in the line of thought of Russell and today's JWs?

Worshipping and reverence Jesus Christ is it the same line of thought with worshipping and reverence Jesus Christ is an idolatry?

(3) Separation becomes necessary when you notice dogmatism in the people you worship with, Russell and his team noticed that the church is not meeting up with the requirements of pure worship but they don't know what was the cause until they separated {Rev 18:4} then Jesus (in spirit) began putting them through gradually as his custom! Hebr 13:8
But you first Claimed that Russell wasn't inspired....

How come he was taught by Jesus Himself?

If Russell and his team were taught by Jesus Christ Himself, don't you think Jesus would have told him that worshipping and reverence Him is an idolatry?

Wasn't the same Jesus who told John in Revelation that all idolaters will have their base in the lake of fire?

(4) Jesus came to rescue sinners {Matthew 9:13} so no matter how degrading your former beliefs as long as you're gradually making research for the truth Jesus (TRUTH) will cherish you! Joh 14:6
Then why do you claim only JWs have the TRUTH when the door of searching for the TRUTH for everyone has not closed?

Is it only JWs who are searching for the truth today?

How can we know who has the truth when we already have the Bible?

It was written before RUSSELL and his team were born, that God hates idolatry which is worshipping another being along side of God.

You claim Jesus Himself began to teach Russell and his team, yet Russell and his team ended up worshipping the same Christ.

Doesn't that mean RUSSELL and his team are the one doing the right thing why today's JWs are wrong?

(5) You only become an idol worshiper in God's view when you're furious at those trying to make further research on what you all knew but if you produce what is expected, those leaving are now the idol worshipers, because where the spirit of God dwells there must be improvement! 1Cor 14:33
See another delusion....

It's boldly written in the law of God which is even the first commandment "Thou shall not have ANY OTHER god nor bow down before any god"

You have inserted your own lie into scripture.

If we should go by that line, then how do you call a Trinitarian, Traditional worshippers, Islam, Buddhism e.t.c an idol worshippers when both are all making FURTHER RESEARCH.

Or you mean only JWs are the one making FURTHER research?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:02am On May 27, 2020
Janosky:
The Trinitarian FRAUD of Hebrews 1:6 MISLEAD vast generations of sincere Bible readers since inception of the KJV.
The Mercies of the Magnificent Potter, Yahweh can speak for those in the past DECEIVED by the Trinitarian FRAUD

Acts 24:15 & Romans 9:14-21 still dey your Bible?


Yahweh's Mercies can not speak for today's IDOL WORSHIPPERS who deliberately PERSISTS with the Trinitarian FRAUD and ignore Jesus Christ's wise advice of Matthew 4:10
So Russell and his team were deceived for more than 40years waoooooo another delusion.

Only when you even realize that Russell claimed to be the very MOUTHPIECE of Yahweh and that everything he taught were are inspired. Just as your deluded brother added that they were began to be taught by CHRIST HIMSELF.

Only for this follower of idol worshippers to come and said RUSSELL was deceived.

If RUSSELL was deceived, were Rutherford and Knorr also deceived?

If the excuse of Russell being deceived holds, then everyone before Russell were also part of the heavenly one. Since God knows that they were deceived.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:11am On May 27, 2020
TATIME:
Really pathetic! huh huh huh

TATIME is dying slowly out of heart attack seeing God's people who are in harmony where love, joy and peace reigns. He wants to prove them wrong but he couldn't so he's now frustrated and so ashamed to hide his face! Isaiah 54:17 embarassed embarassed embarassed
Did God hate idolatry? Which is worshipping and reverence another being along side of the true God.

Did Russell and his team worshipp and reverence Jesus Christ?

Revelation 21:8 says "...all idolaters will have their part in the lake of fire" do you agree?

I know you will craw back to your hiding place again.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by letu(m): 9:39am On May 27, 2020
freshboi88:
What language, what's wrong saying I dnt want to argue with u, or telling a kid to keep shut.i c no wrong there boy!

By the way deal with the fact that Russell and his team are idol worshippers who are in hell right now
What kind of name be Russell nawhere encome from? I don't have time for your obsession with the man Russell, all you need to do is to take up to his devotees.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:18am On May 27, 2020
Emusan:
Or you mean only JWs are the one making FURTHER research?
Just mention one single religious group that has made FURTHER research, period!

All what you're seeing around you today are groups of Protestants who have left their former religions to start a new group.

When their human founder died they stop making further research because there will be disagreement on whether to change some things or to continue with the teachings of their human founder.

The same thing happened to Russell's group, after his death in 1916 many left the group because Rutherford and others began progressing and making changes based on new discoveries during further research.

But today all those groups are nowhere to be found beside the group that has continued digging deep for insight.
I once met a Brazilian who argued profusely saying Rutherford have deviated from what Russell laid down, he complained bitterly saying God will punish Rutherford for changing many things, so i asked him "is Russell the founder of Christianity or Christ?" {1Cor 1:12} of course he was dumbfounded! huh

All the churches of Christendom globally belongs to their human founders but JWs belongs to Christ who said "keep on asking, knocking and seeking, God will give you the holy spirit" {Matt 7:7-8} only those following Jesus' instruction will be given the spirit to improve! Joh 14:26 smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 11:59am On May 27, 2020
The image well placed @Emusan.

Don't think they will ever come to terms with the below. It simply can't sink into their HEARTS and MIND. Should it sink they will have take BACK all their CONDEMNATION of other Christians and they don't want to.

It's EASY for them to call the doctrines of other Christian denominations FALSE TEACHING/RELIGION but when shown theirs it becomes OLD LIGHT. See how they find it difficult to DEFEND RUSSELL from being an IDOLATRY. Even FORCING others into IDOLATRY in order to save FACE.

Delusion is saying a JW telling you God is coming to bring an END to ORGANIZED religion. Ask JWs is the JW ORGANIZATION also among ORGANIZED religion that will be destroyed. You get NO for an ANSWER.

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 12:03pm On May 27, 2020
TATIME:
You're still with Emusan! undecided undecided undecided

Even freshboi88 has surrendered after seeing that all his arguments are futile! cheesy cheesy cheesy

Leave Emusan to continue hitting his head on the wall! smiley smiley smiley
Question: Who will the housefly defend in a court of LAW?

Answer: It's the individual that has WOUNDS on the body.

Hope you catch the drift.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 12:10pm On May 27, 2020
Maximus69:
Just mention one single religious group that has made FURTHER research, period!

All what you're seeing around you today are groups of Protestants who have left their former religions to start a new group.

When their human founder died they stop making further research because there will be disagreement on whether to change some things or to continue with the teachings of their human founder.

The same thing happened to Russell's group, after his death in 1916 many left the group because Rutherford and others began progressing and making changes based on new discoveries during further research.

But today all those groups are nowhere to be found beside the group that has continued digging deep for insight.
I once met a Brazilian who argued profusely saying Rutherford have deviated from what Russell laid down, he complained bitterly saying God will punish Rutherford for changing many things, so i asked him "is Russell the founder of Christianity or Christ?" {1Cor 1:12} of course he was dumbfounded! huh

All the churches of Christendom globally belongs to their human founders but JWs belongs to Christ who said "keep on asking, knocking and seeking, God will give you the holy spirit" {Matt 7:7-8} only those following Jesus' instruction will be given the spirit to improve! Joh 14:26 smiley
Maximus69: All the churches of Christendom globally belongs to their human founders but JWs belongs to Christ who said "keep on asking, knocking and seeking, God will give you the holy spirit" {Matt 7:7-8} only those following Jesus' instruction will be given the spirit to improve! Joh 14:26 smiley


Achorladey: Deciding FATE OF OTHERS as USUAL. Matthew 7:7-8 was not written for CHRISTENDOM. Hahahahaahha.

The HOLY SPIRIT given to RUSSELL led him to IDOLATRY abi and was declared RIGHTEOUS?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:25pm On May 27, 2020
Through with you! wink
achorladey:
Maximus69: All the churches of Christendom globally belongs to their human founders but JWs belongs to Christ who said "keep on asking, knocking and seeking, God will give you the holy spirit" {Matt 7:7-8} only those following Jesus' instruction will be given the spirit to improve! Joh 14:26 smiley


Achorladey: Deciding FATE OF OTHERS as USUAL. Matthew 7:7-8 was not written for CHRISTENDOM. Hahahahaahha.

The HOLY SPIRIT given to RUSSELL led him to IDOLATRY abi and was declared RIGHTEOUS?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey:
Maximus69:
Through with you! wink
Maximus69:: All the CHURCHES of CHRISTENDOM globally BELONGS to their HUMAN FOUNDERS but JWs belongs to Christ who said "keep on asking, knocking and seeking, God will give you the holy spirit" {Matt 7:7-8}

Achorladey: Since other Christian denominations don't belong to CHRIST why do you JUDGE THEM since they are OUTSIDERS?

Before you RESPOND read the below

1 Corinthians 5: 12, For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “[/b]Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.

In REALITY Maximus69 is that not going beyond the BOUNDARIES set?

The only reason you can call other [b]CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS false Christians and false religion
is because THEY are part of YOU and in extension part of the JW ORGANIZATION.

If [b]you don't see them as part of the JW ORGANIZATION in CHRISTENDOM and count them as Outsiders, [/b]were you asked to JUDGE them?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 4:29pm On May 27, 2020
letu:
What kind of name be Russell nawhere encome from? I don't have time for your obsession with the man Russell, all you need to do is to take up to his devotees.
Deal with it Ur founder is an idol worshipper and is currently paying for his sins of idol worshipping in hell
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by sonmvayina(m): 4:54pm On May 27, 2020
freshboi88:
Deal with it Ur founder is an idol worshipper and is currently paying for his sins of idol worshipping in hell
What is the difference between somebody worshipping a man as God and another who worships a snake...?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 5:01pm On May 27, 2020
sonmvayina:
What is the difference between somebody worshipping a man as God and another who worships a snake...?
I know who u can ask that question

Hmmm.....y not try ur grand father, I'm sure he will answer u, cos I dnt have time for foolish questions
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 7:31am On May 28, 2020
achorladey:
@ Emusan got something interesting you might REALLY want to look at. The image below CARRIES part of it. While the link attached CONVEYS the REST. This will be INTERESTING as it concerns your DISCUSSION on VISION......


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004466

Some critics have endeavored to class the TRANSFIGURATION as SIMPLY a DREAM. However, Peter, James, and John would not LOGICALLY all have had EXACTLY the SAME DREAM. Jesus himself called what took place a “VISION” (Mt 17:9), but not a mere ILLUSION. Christ was actually there, though Moses and Elijah, who were dead, were not literally present. They were REPRESENTED in VISION. The Greek word used for “VISION” at Matthew 17:9 is HOʹRA·MA, also rendered “SIGHT.” (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they INSENSIBLE to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES [/b]and [b]EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME.​—Lu 9:32.
I revisited this thread and saw this . Explain the red part for me : REALITY ?

The funniest part was when it says it doesnt imply unreality, it was making a comparison with a mere dream. And added as though. THE ARTICLE NEVER SAID IT WAS REAL. It only says its not a mere illusion as a dream.


If you dont understand things ask questions.



" Although this is a vision, it APPEARS so real that Peter begins to participate in the scene, "


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988002


It didn't say its REAL , but appears .

If it was REAL , Moses and Elijah must have been physically present. Deal with it.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 7:35am On May 28, 2020
Emusan:
You know I said something the last time about Heb 1:10 that it's only their online e-warriors that do twist most things even though they derive the zeal from the same lying organization.

That's why I left them to their delusions because THE TRANSFIGURATION of Christ has never been viewed as mere vision.
Coming from a deluded man that Fully human is flesh and bones. Its not a mere vision but was described as Horama. Go and tear it from your Bible na

The point I want him to get by himself without me pointing it out for him while I posted different meanings of Horama for him was "....also rendered “SIGHT" (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —Lu 9:32.

You can even see that the same article agreed that Peter's eyewitness was a confirmation of the reality which he was fighting tooth and nail to dismiss.


But you can see how his lying mouth was exposed by his own demonic organization.
Reality of what exactly , when the article you quoted denied Moses and Elijah were REAL ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 7:41am On May 28, 2020
achorladey:
Its just funny, funny because it took close to ten pages on this thread and see them say and repeat SAME thing. It discussion won't have got to this extent at all. Its a pity they do GO against the TEACHING of the ORGANIZATION and equally say they are TELLING the truth. Even the truth about the ORGANIZATION the way they defend it leave less to DESIRE.
grin grin its real, then they saw Moses and Elijah in reality ? Talk nah
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 7:46am On May 28, 2020
Emusan:
Just notice, when they see this your post they'll shamefully hide their lying faces in the sand and pretend as if they didn't see it.

Four 4 points that article confirmed about my post are:

1. Horama is also reality.
2. The experience of Moses at the burning bush was REAL as cited by the article.
3. The account of Apostle Peter as an eyewitness was real not just mere illusion.
4. The same article said Apostle John must have alluded to that TRANSFIGURATION experience in John 1:14.

When you asked, what did John 1:14 say?

You can only read "And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us,..."

This is a clear point that Apostle Paul was actually right to have written "DIVINE NATURE DWELLS IN BODILY"
Guy , I know life was hard during that previous discussion for you, grin grin . Dont come and try to console yourself because what he gave you didn't prove its real, the same article denied any Real presence of Moses and Elijah. It doesnt help you.

U see the highlighted is why have been asking : Do you then agree Mary Carry in her Womb God and his Divine nature ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 7:49am On May 28, 2020
Janosky:
1-3 maybe correct, no wahala...

If Emusan claim is true,therefore Moses and Elijah is God.

Luke 9:29-30.
"29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus".

We now have another strong EVIDENCE that Trinitarian John 1:1,14 is HOGWASH !
LUKE 9:34-35 .. Yahweh said so..
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34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

We now know that Luke 9:35 no dey Emusan Bible.

The Word is NOT God in the flesh.
John 5:37, God did not dwell in the flesh with man.
Luke 9:35. Romans8:3 , YAHWEH says Dump your John1:14 Trinitarian Delusion in the Trash can.
Guy, Either that event is real or its not. Everything that happened including presence of Moses and Elijah were all termed Vision.


If its Real , Then Moses and Elijah must be physically present to have been seen by the literal eyes. According to Emusan stupid man, They were spirit beings manifesting human body. The deluded person is yet to prove they are spirit beings. See another comedy will unravel here.
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