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| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 6:14am On Jun 06, 2020 |
[quote author=KNOWMORE56 post=90355208][/quote]Thanks Bro and stay blessed! Note: Most of your quotes are not appearing because of wrong formatting. Always start your writeup with a paragraph (it will certainly clear up some of the issues) |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:15am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Rozz:Music made us friends back in the 90s, we met several times in studios and reasals, the first time we met was at a reasal studio along Ikorodu road name 'Master Sound' by then. That very sunny day, Majek came for his own reasal while i was with my own group in the studio. What surprised me was his way of making rain fall! ![]() Majek just said "let the rain fall" and as if he had the key to unlock the sky, the clowds immediately hide the sun and the rain began! ![]() So i pleaded with him to change the command in order for me and my band not to get home soaked but he said "never mind brother, you're safe, it's just the rain" ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:27am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:so you were into music at some point |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 6:27am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Janosky:What I'm saying is that, just as EL(God) was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus, The title Jehovah was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus in Genesis 18:1-10. So, if the point you are trying to prove is that ' because God is used for other beings, Jesus is not the true God if it is used for Him' In Genesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:38am On Jun 06, 2020*. Modified: 7:26am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Myer:The scriptural references backing this are everywhere in the scriptures, but you won't notice it if you are not careful! ![]() Note what Paul told Timothy @ 1Timothy 5:23 "drink little wine to CURE your stomach ulcer" of course Jesus would have CURED that without prescribing wine. Jesus said false prophets will perform signs so great that even the Born Again Christians will be amazed {Matthew 24:24} Please what fake miracles could deceive true Christians if they're still performing the original? True Christians know the period in which we're living now Sir, it's not the time to perform any miracles but to gather obedient people together under Jesus' group {Ecclesiastes 3:1} No wonder Jesus (who performed so many mighty works) said "a crooked and twisted generation seek for a sign but none will be given them" Matthew 12:39 Of course there has never been a time when God will not give his faithful servants a sign to make them know that their works has been approved, but crooked people will be dictating the type of signs God supposed to give them before they believe (trust) in his arrangements. For your information Sir, the atheists you're seeing around you are demanding for a sign not the way God wants to give his own obedient servants but they want to dictate the type of signs he must give them before they can (trust) believe him! But servants of Jehovah will be on the lookout for the sign he promised to give us NOT to stipulate the one we want! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 6:43am On Jun 06, 2020 |
enesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name of God according to the JWs) is used for other beings (especially men and Angels). So this makes Jehovah no more the true Jehovah. Ok, I remember your password "it's a FRAUD to put Jehovah for men and Angels" No be me put am, I see am definitely The being/beings is/are called Jehovah, your organization valued name. |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 6:46am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Ok, thanks |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:46am On Jun 06, 2020 |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 7:09am On Jun 06, 2020 |
No quality of the true God that is not found in Jesus, that is the summary of everything I'm posting about Trinity. Both angels and human beings worship this Jesus. And nothing can be done about this. Even those arguing about it here will finally worship Him, according to the Bible Philippians2 : 10 "KJV:That at the name of Jesus every knee should BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:11am On Jun 06, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:Jehovah is the personal name of the most powerful person in the universe! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18 But he always see whoever disregard his representative as if such a person is doing so directly to him! Humans often know that when we see any government official discharging his/her duty, we will call him/her Buhari, because any disregard for such an official is like a slap on the face of our President. Buhari will never take it lightly with whoever disregard any of those discharging their duties! In the same manner, whenever Jehovah sends a spirit (angel) to represent him, his name is upon that spirit {Mark 1:24} any angel that is carrying out Jehovah's order is like acting in Jehovah's place! Exodus 3:2-6 So as we know that Buhari is the man from Katsina that was voted into the office of the President in the year 2015, whenever you see a uniformed personnel anywhere in Nigeria discharging his duty, know today that such a person is Buhari, and whatever you say or do against such an individual will be taken up not by the individual but by Buhari whom the person is REPRESENTING. Yet Buhari remains the first man in Aso rock! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:18am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Good to know |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:20am On Jun 06, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:Eventually all the angels in heaven had God's qualities except those who rebelled and we're expelled from heaven! Both angels and human beings worship this Jesus. And nothing can be done about this.No servant of God worshipped Jesus in the Bible, they must obey him as Jehovah's representative in our midst, that's the import of his name "Emmanuel" (God is in our midst) Even those arguing about it here will finally worship Him, according to the BibleThe phrase "every knee must bow" applies ONLY to obedient people Sir, that's why Jesus himself said "those who refuses to accept me as King over them, i will exterminte" {Luke 19:27} certainly if every living being have bowed (obeyed) Jesus then what is the essence of destroying anyone? John 3:16-18 So it wasn't about WORSHIPING Jesus Sir, it's about obeying Jehovah's representative in our midst! John 3:17-18 God bless you! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:41am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:You are not just stupid, u also refuse to learn . The personality that appear to Abraham is also an angel. You are yet to refute the fact that the Angel Jacob fought all night is called God. ( despite you at first denied he was an angel before I throw it to your face ) Are angels God or god according to KJB ? |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Peacefullove: 7:43am On Jun 06, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56:There is ONE GOD, The Father . 1Cor 8:5,6 Not Jesus . you still refuse to learn |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:08am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Rozz:You must be in your early 20s for you not to know the rain maker! He reigned from Nigeria, travelled to America and spent so many years before he returned. Bob Marley's wife screamed in amazement during the 20th anniversary of her husband's death when Majek performed alongside others world reggae artists, the track Majek was assigned to handle was "Redemption Song". The woman was screaming and crying saying "this man from Africa is Bob reincarnated" WHY? Majek was really good in the field of reggae music, in fact that year Majek was crowned best African reggae artists in the presence of his contemporaries like Lucky Dube! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:10am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:this got me thinking,you were in the world before right?lol |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:32am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Rozz:What do you think made me so versatile in handling scriptural debates? Well it's because i've tasted the world and come to know that there is nothing in the world, we will live and expire, all our love life, social life, family life and the rest will soon become history in the next 70 years now! Ecclesiastes 1:2 Back then i only managed to scale through some ladies, even though i never wanted to be promiscuous, that's when i learnt that it's not only men that run after women, there is no woman under this heaven that doesn't have the man she's eyeing, if only that man could make the move and the woman no matter how beautiful she is will begin to WORSHIP him because she already wanted him so badly! Genesis 3:16 It's just that they used to feel cheap making the first move, but because we perform for them and dance on stage with them, they feel free to express themselves so easily around us and most of my colleagues take advantage of them. So make sure you spend your time wisely my young lady {Ephesians 5:15-16} we blossom and expire in no time. Ecclesiastes 9:10 God bless you! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 8:38am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Peacefullove:And NWT says one of the Men/Angels that visited Abraham was Jehovah. If an angel is also called God, is an angel also called JEHOVAH? Don't forget that your argument is that Angels are also called by the title God. Is any Angel called Jehovah? shadeyinka:Is Any angel by the name JEHOVAH? You may call Maximus69 and Peacefullove to help you clarify the NWT and don't forget to tell Rozz that there is actually an angel or a man called by the NAME JEHOVAH! |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:43am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Lol but I'm not eyeing any man ooo, it will be a great mistake for any lady to make a first move,that man will never respect you.I have received some many mentions because of you,names calling,others think I'm a fraudster sef,so funny.Though if I have my way and things fall into place for me,i will like to settle down early,have all my kids before 30 and face my life fully. Im using my time wisely but God's plan superceeds all other plans.Amen,and you too |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:47am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:an angel or a man called Jehovah?just seeing this |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:04am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:In as much as i've been trying to avoid you since our last discussion, it's obvious you still have me in mind! ![]() Let it be clear to you that Jehovah's representative is coming in the name of JEHOVAH! Matthew 23:39 Malachi said Jehovah will come to Israel but he will first send his messenger ahead of him {Malachi 3:1 compare to Matthew 3:1-3} John the baptist came to prepare the way for Jesus, yet neither John nor Jesus is Jehovah but one of them will act in Jehovah's place amongst his people while the other get the people's minds ready for his arrival! Note that the angel in the burning bush spoke like Jehovah {Exodus3:2-6} just as the angel leading the team that was sent to inspect Sodom and Gomorrah did {Genesis 18:1-21} it's later that we learnt that JEHOVAH never left his throne in heaven so no man at anytime has seen him before {John 1:18} who then have all those people been seeing? They are angels representating Jehovah Sir! Exodus 13:21-22 compare to Exodus 14:19 God bless you! |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:07am On Jun 06, 2020 |
*. Jesus is the highest and the lowest Colossians 1: 18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE. Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST is ALL, and IN ALL . |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 9:24am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:All angels represent JEHOVAH but is there any man or angel by the Name Jehovah? I quoted from the NWT to ask you this question. shadeyinka:All angels represent JEHOVAH but is there any man or angel by the Name Jehovah? |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by KNOWMORE56: 9:25am On Jun 06, 2020 |
*. Jesus is living things and nonliving things Lamb, Lion, Man; Rock, Light Revelation 7 :17 "KJV:For the LAMB which is in the MIDST of the THRONE shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes Note that the LAMB is right in the center of the Throne. Oh my God! Jesus is Lord; Jesus Christ is Jehovah! the Son |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:27am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Rozz:Hmmmmmmmm, Well the bolded is a blunder and of course a misconception my dear! Undoubtedly you will make yourself cheap if it's the wrong person but you will always thank God if it's the right man! Just as men also make wrong moves (choices) women can make wrong moves but life in itself is about chances my dear. I've seen ladies who become embittered because their friends took the bold step to express themselves to the man they love, only to find out that the man in question had them in mind not their friend! ![]() But once the step is taken the man will go for the bold, beautiful and confident lady who stood up and demanded for what she knows is good for her! Matthew Olusegun Aremu Okikiola Obasanjo had so many women as wives but it was only Stella that stood boldly for her man even when Segun has been sentenced to death, that's why Segun stood by this woman until her last breath! Though he had all of them as wives but the others feel they're not that cheap to be running here and there for an old man who has been sentenced to death! ![]() So do not think it's always wrong to make that move but be cautious and articulate with your moves, there must be one man out there that will cherish you the way Adam did Eve {Genesis 2:23} Jehovah's Witnesses follow God's standard in choosing their future partners, the person must love Jehovah (JW) first, then they can start examining other features they like, our ladies do approach our guys to express their feelings for them though it's been difficult in this side of the world due to our African culture, but our sisters in advance countries do make the move to express themselves freely because they knew there is no intimacy until they are married! |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 9:33am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Rozz:The original post leading to this shadeyinka:According to JW, God is just a title and that JEHOVAH is his personal name. Jehovah is the personal name of the most powerful person in the universe! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18Their argument is that angels can assume the title "God" but their NWT showed that JEHOVAH came with two Angels in visiting Abraham. They insist that the three men were Angels but their scripture proves otherwise Gen18:13/17 NWT 13 Then Jehovah said to Abraham: “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Am I really going to give birth even though I am old?’ 17 Jehovah said: “Am I keeping hidden from Abraham what I am going to do? So, I ask them the question Is any Angel the one true God Jehovah? |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:37am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:The three men mentioned in Genesis 18:3 were angels Sir! ![]() One of them represented Jehovah in speaking with Abraham, notice that the scriptures never said any of the other two said anything to Abraham meaning the one speaking is the only one granted the permission to speak with Abraham. But it was the other two that got to Sodom {Genesis 19:1} meaning the one speaking for Jehovah has returned make the report he was sent to confirm {Genesis 18:20-21} so they were angels Sir, that's why Apostle Paul later said it's good to be hospitable because by doing so (Abraham) entertained angels unknowingly! Hebrew 13:2 God bless you! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:50am On Jun 06, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Our scriptures is our book Sir! Jesus never said anyone will read it and get the sense of it but that his followers will have to come and TEACH you {Matthew 28:20} what the scriptures means and the practical application thereof. So no matter how you read our book (Bible) if you refuse to humble yourself to learn from us, you will continue to get it twisted and you'll never find any group of persons having the same line of thought on the written texts! Luke 11:23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 ![]() Jesus' true followers have been given the wisdom to discern what is WRITTEN in the scriptures, if you don't humble yourself to learn from them, you'll never find any group united in FAITH! John 17:21-23 God bless you! ![]() |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:53am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:me I can't ooo, the highest I can go is to stylishly show green lights and if you are not observant as a man, you won't even notice it because it can be in different forms,like frowning my face whenever the person is around me haha,i do this one alot.Make a first move on an African man at your own peril,it never ends well.Its very natural to like someone once in a while but I would rather bury it inside me than make any move. |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:03am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Typical African lady! ![]() You only need to be articulate my dear, there is no crime in taking chances! That's why Africa is not advancing, we tend to keep doing things the primitive way! ![]() Well you need to be scared Sha because it is not about JWs those who believe (trust) in God's word. If it's in the midst of those who believe in Jehovah, there is no reason to be scared, there is no room for baby daddys or mamas in God's Organization, you must be happily married before you can join us in worshiping our own God! ![]() Rozz: |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 10:07am On Jun 06, 2020*. Modified: 10:23am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:Of course two of the three personalities were Angels. These were the ones that went to Sodom and rescued Lot. Gen 18:22 NWT 22 Then the men left from there and went toward Sodʹom, but Jehovah remained with Abraham. Please according to NTW, who remained with Abraham? Gen 18:22 NWT 33 When Jehovah finished speaking to Abraham, he went his way and Abraham returned to his place According to NWT, who went his way after speaking with Abraham? Your argument holds no water! Let's look at your NWT together and answer the attending question Gen18:1 NWT 1 Afterward, Jehovah appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹreb while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during thehottest part of the day. According to NWT, who appeared to Abraham? Gen18:2-3 NWT 2 He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 3 Then he said: " Jehovah , if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant According to NWT what name did Abraham call one of the three men? Gen18:13 NWT 13 Then Jehovah said to Abraham: “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Am I really going to give birth even though I am old?’ According to NWT, who asked the question "why did Sarah laugh...?" Compare your rhetorics with: Is42:8 NWT 8 I am Jehovah . That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. |
| Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:07am On Jun 06, 2020 |
Maximus69:So JW is an organization meant for married people only,i didn't know before,but I do see young people who are JW |
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