Edopesin:


The screenshots you shared clearly shows he doesn't just score, so if Firmino is an advanced striker I wonder what Osimhen is

The screenshoots show that both players have an added ability of winning possession.

Regarding their roles, Firmino drops deep to create chances for the team. That is an Advanced Forward.
Osimhen on the other hand hangs around the last defender waiting for chances to finish. That's a poacher. If the ball is played into the box, a poacher has to be available to finish.
But an Advanced Forward doesn't need to hang around the defence.

Look at Firmino's heat map over the last 3 seasons compared to Osimhen. It is as though Firmino doesn't want to get into the box. It's only this season he manages to get in more, due to the emergence of their attacking wingbacks. But Osimhen heat map in the box is very strong.

And lastly, since the 2013/14 season, Firmino has not provided less than 7 assists per season. 6 seasons in a row now.
They are very different kind of strikers man.

Pic 1: Firmino
Pic 2: Osimhen

sheyishemba:


azeez is not a natural AM his best position is just CM and DM

He plays as an AM for Granada

BascoVanVeli:


That game established Victor as our number 9. That position is actually undisputed if u ask me.

Ighalo has retired from international football before that game

Osimhen was never a competitor to Ighalo before he retired

TheLoneCitizen:


The screenshoots show that both players have an added ability of winning possession.

Regarding their roles, Firmino drops deep to create chances for the team. That is an Advanced Forward.
Osimhen on the other hand hangs around the last defender waiting for chances to finish. That's a poacher. If the ball is played into the box, a poacher has to be available to finish.
But an Advanced Forward doesn't need to hang around the defence.

Look at Firmino's heat map over the last 3 seasons compared to Osimhen. It is as though Firmino doesn't want to get into the box. It's only this season he manages to get in more, due to the emergence of their attacking wingbacks. But Osimhen heat map in the box is very strong.

And lastly, since the 2013/14 season, Firmino has not provided less than 7 assists per season. 6 seasons in a row now.
They are very different kind of strikers man.

Pic 1: Firmino
Pic 2: Osimhen

They are very different kind of strikers is my point, you hinted at the firmino trait that makes Osimhen one of the most sort after strikers and the first screenshot clearly shows that Osimhen doesn't just hang around the last defender but also tries to the ball in Midfield

Wow I saw this stat

Cool cool cool

TheLoneCitizen:


"Firmino whose stats are his passes and tackles" has 24G+A this season. Firmino is an Advanced Forward, he has to create chances and score goals. Osimhen is a poacher has to just score.

una go just come Buhari internet, dey give us lines like say na through window we dey watch ball.

Osimhen, poacher? Make we forget all those through balls e dey give Lille players? Or the two assists he recorded in one game? Please, we should be lenient in assessments. Osimhen isn't just a poacher and he does more than just scoring.

just watching Obafemi Martins' goals for Inter on YouTube men! dude was an absolute terrifying prospect to face then if you were an opposition defender. rockets in his boots left or right, blistering pace and movement, deadly in front of goal, very strong on the ball despite his size.

guy was easily Nigeria's best striker especially during that 2000-2010 period. can't put my finger why dude didn't have an even bigger impact in the super eagles. truly he was a weapon of mass destruction.

TheSuperNerd:
You are right Elyte man. Reason why the name Fabrice Akwa cannot be erased from my memory.

I remember Martins' debut for us against Republic of Ireland in 2004. He totally obliterated their defence with his lightening speed and quick change of direction. Indeed missing that 2006 WC was a major blow.

Nerdy no forget Paulo Figueiredo self oooo

safarigirl:
una go just come Buhari internet, dey give us lines like say na through window we dey watch ball.

Osimhen, poacher? Make we forget all those through balls e dey give Lille players? Or the two assists he recorded in one game? Please, we should be lenient in assessments. Osimhen isn't just a poacher and he does more than just scoring.

agree 100% Osimhen this season especially has shown his effectiveness in his link up play.

TheSuperNerd:
He indeed was the Weapon of Mass Destruction. He had a very high ceiling but just didn't reach those super heights. He had a very decent career for us and at club level but he could have been much much more. The talent was there. He could have been world class. In all, Martins was a real baller and one of the few players of that Mid-late 2000s era and early 2010s that I looked to for the Super Eagles when it came to tight games and tight corners. He was always one goal or one burst of lightening pace or super turn away from turning things around.

didn't know you had already commented before my post. he could be simply unplayable on his day. I think injuries to some extent didn't allow us see the best of him in the national team. anytime I remember that yakubu had more goals than him for Nigeria I just SMH!

chrisooblog:
agree 100% Osimhen this season especially has shown his effectiveness in his link up play.

I am very surprised about thet term; the man hustles for ball, e no dey just wait make dem find am. If Lille forwards were as effective as Osimhen, he should have had up to 8 assists this season

Subzero047:
Unpopular Opinion :

I think Ramon Azeez is SE only natural AM aside Iwobi

Azeez is better as a CM. haven't seen much of him in the AM role but I have my doubts if he has that creative element to function in that position.

safarigirl:


Doesn't matter, Bundesliga teams are comparatively better when it matters.

To further buttress my point, a brief list of some ex-Bundesliga players that are doing quite well in the EPL:

Pierre Emerick Aubameyang
Kevin De Bruyne
Caglar Soyuncu
Bernd Leno
Heung-Min Son

lol you came loaded with receipts

chrisooblog:
just watching Obafemi Martins' goals for Inter on YouTube men! dude was an absolute terrifying prospect to face then if you were an opposition defender. rockets in his boots left or right, blistering pace and movement, deadly in front of goal, very strong on the ball despite his size.

guy was easily Nigeria's best striker especially during that 2000-2010 period. can't put my finger why dude didn't have an even bigger impact in the super eagles. truly he was a weapon of mass destruction.

that guy was tested for drugs every week in inter.Very fast and strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7ujfA4YkY

Gernot Rohr should look at this prospect. Much better attacking midfielder than Iwobi. On the same level as ejaria. Will become a better AM than Ebere Eze in future.

chrisooblog:
Azeez is better as a CM. haven't seen much of him in the AM role but I have my doubts if he has that creative element to function in that position.

It is not about the creativity but the ability to take and release the ball in tight spaces

waffiboi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7ujfA4YkY

Gernot Rohr should look at this prospect. Much better attacking midfielder than Iwobi. On the same level as ejaria. Will become a better AM than Ebere Eze in future.

What a bold statement

Edit: His touches are heavy

andrewbaba44:


Ighalo has retired from international football before that game

Osimhen was never a competitor to Ighalo before he retired

No vex ooo na me confuse the situation

Kelechi Nwakali's interview. He goes into alot, Nigerian football, U17, his career, our media and more




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DZYrZBsejk

Subzero047:


It is not about the creativity but the ability to take and release the ball in tight spaces

I hear what you say but that is reducing the crucial role AMs effect on the game. A proper AM apart from negotiating tight spaces feeds his team mates with chances to score apart from taking up positions to score as well.

Edopesin:


Aguero is an experienced world class striker, which coach wouldn't prefer him to jesus? Mind you he has more minutes played than jesus and has also started more matches than him

Jesus is a proper striker, no sane coach will start firmino ahead of him

When Gabriel Jesus first joined Man City,he was starting ahead of Aguero.. And he wasn't scoring goals.. it got so bad that some fans started to say it would have been better to keep iheanacho in the team... Guardiola had to return Aguero to the starting lineup when things got bad...we remember it very well.. Aguero is a better goal scorer but Jesus had the qualities that Guardiola like in his players .Even TheGoodJoe has admitted that..

It's like I said, a lot of coaches have their preference for players . Firmino isn't a good goal scorer but he is very hard-working..he creates chances and goal scoring opportunities for his team mates..be has created 48 big chances in the premier league, not even the likes of Lampard,Gerrard or Giggs created that much chances during their premier league playing days .
The bottom line: Klopp likes his style of play... If Werner won't deliver the kind of things Firmino does,he won't start..that's the bitter truth..

That being said,here's Firmino and Jesus stats for Liverpool and Man City in all competitions

Firmino - 235 apps, 77 goals , 59 assists (1.72 G/A per game )

Jesus - 139 apps 63 goals 25 assists (1.57 G/A per game )

elyte89:



Dts a bad analogy...osimhen was never in d picture with ighalo as a competitor... Ighalo was in anoda level

I disagree . Ighalo was misfiring after that goal against Cameroon at the WCQ.. And once Osimhen moved to Charleoi,he was in contention for a spot in the CF role...
Rohr just preferred Ighalo to him .

Even right now,Rohr has already said he want Ighalo back to the team... We have players who can play the CF role and are yet to get their chances,but Rohr still want Ighalo back..

If Ighalo returns to the national team today and Osimhen is benched for him,it won't be because he is better..it's because Rohr prefers him..

BascoVanVeli:



No vex ooo na me confuse the situation

Okay baba

No yawa

Danielnino00:


Being a long time Liverpool fan,I believe I'm perfectly entitled to use the term "we"...

And you are totally wrong like 100%. Keita problem is injury. Injury has limited his game time,but he has picked form this season. .
And nobody has put him up for sale.. You can call your friend Micheal Edwards to confirm ..

Do you mean a TV fan or fan that comes to games, involved with the club as an official fan club member, occasional associated engagement with coaches and other staff, etc


Because "WE" is very ambiguous.

Danielnino00:


You just don't understand.. You were talking about Werner being more prolific and I gave you Origi as an example.. Check Origi's goal to game ratio and compare it with Firmino...
Sometimes when Origi plays,he is deployed on the wing...even Salah,Mane and Wijnaldum have been used as false9s ..

It's not just about scoring goals... If you remove Firmino from that lineup,Salah and Mane won't be at the level they are now,I can assure you that...

Agreed without reservation

Danielnino00:


Lol okay o.

We Sha thank God that we have him with us... A striker that drops deep to hustle for the ball... A striker that creates chances (48 big chances created in the premier league), a striker that creates space for the wingers ..A striker that can tackle(had over 90 tackles in one EPL campaign)

We thank God for giving us Roberto Firmino!

Seconded and confirmed.

kingphilip:
how about Giroud and Benzema?

That's just plain dislike and the internal politics of French football.

Benzema is on another level far above Giroud.

andrewbaba44:


But you always see laliga and others league as an easy league ,but we all saw that Costa found things easy in the Epl than laliga

Different set and system that doesn't allow him to play the way he played in the Bundesliga.

Danielnino00:


When Gabriel Jesus first joined Man City,he was starting ahead of Aguero.. And he wasn't scoring goals.. it got so bad that some fans started to say it would have been better to keep iheanacho in the team... Guardiola had to return Aguero to the starting lineup when things got bad...we remember it very well.. Aguero is a better goal scorer but Jesus had the qualities that Guardiola like in his players .Even TheGoodJoe has admitted that..

It's like I said, a lot of coaches have their preference for players . Firmino isn't a good goal scorer but he is very hard-working..he creates chances and goal scoring opportunities for his team mates..be has created 48 big chances in the premier league, not even the likes of Lampard,Gerrard or Giggs created that much chances during their premier league playing days .
The bottom line: Klopp likes his style of play... If Werner won't deliver the kind of things Firmino does,he won't start..that's the bitter truth..

That being said,here's Firmino and Jesus stats for Liverpool and Man City in all competitions

Firmino - 235 apps, 77 goals , 59 assists (1.72 G/A per game )

Jesus - 139 apps 63 goals 25 assists (1.57 G/A per game )

2017/18
Jesus- 13 matches started
Aguero- 22 matches started
2018/19
Jesus- 8 matches started
Aguero- 31 matches started
2019/20
Jesus- 13
Aguero- 17

Here you go, Jesus was never starting ahead of Aguero

Guardiola might like the qualities of Jesus but Aguero will always be preferred going forward because he scores and Klopp won't drop Werner if he scores every now and then hardworking or not

Edopesin:


But then again his primary job as a striker is to score and assist while Henderson and Wijnadum should be doing the tackling in center midfield

Even though Klopp might probably start firmino, Timo Werner would have played his position like a champ and shown firmino how to convert Arnold and Robertson's crosses

Teams will rather have a proper goal contributing striker than one that tries to gather defensive stats

Unfortunately Klopp doesn't agree with you Lol.

Otherwise Liverpool would have got him ages ago, as you know Klopp is German and would know all about Werner.

Subzero047:
Leicester are intent on buying Lallana

Rodgers is bad on the transfer market

Its going to be a free transfer
Lallana's contract expires with liverpool this summer

TheLoneCitizen:


The screenshoots show that both players have an added ability of winning possession.

Regarding their roles, Firmino drops deep to create chances for the team. That is an Advanced Forward.
Osimhen on the other hand hangs around the last defender waiting for chances to finish. That's a poacher. If the ball is played into the box, a poacher has to be available to finish.
But an Advanced Forward doesn't need to hang around the defence.

Look at Firmino's heat map over the last 3 seasons compared to Osimhen. It is as though Firmino doesn't want to get into the box. It's only this season he manages to get in more, due to the emergence of their attacking wingbacks. But Osimhen heat map in the box is very strong.

And lastly, since the 2013/14 season, Firmino has not provided less than 7 assists per season. 6 seasons in a row now.
They are very different kind of strikers man.

Pic 1: Firmino
Pic 2: Osimhen

Agreed