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fortran12:
So you agree with me that Mo' killed lots of people!

Am just quoting the Bible for you.

"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(1 Samuel 15:3)

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From Jesus' testimony, he was a violent "God" (Luke 22:36; Matthew 10:34).

So you agree with me that mohammed was a violent man, he even tempted one of his men to join in the jihad with blonde ladies

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Am just quoting the Bible for you.

"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"
(1 Samuel 15:3)

I made the statement first, agree then i will explain the Amalikites for you

fortran12:
God made the law he is the creator and has every right to do as he wills, he did not create anyone with perverse sexual preferences. What is civil right when you are confronted with your creator?

Ahaaaaa!
So when God does his will, why do you have problem?
But now you have seen that who ever must come to equity must come with clean hands.

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Ahaaaaa!
So when God does his will, why do you have problem?
But now you have seen that who ever must come to equity must come with clean hands.

Tell that to God

fortran12:
I made the statement first, agree then i will explain the Amalikites for you

But be assured today that the LORD your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the LORD has promised you.

This is what Jesus is doing.
When am through, I will give you room to respond.

fortran12:
Tell that to God

You see whenever a Muslim is having a discourse with a Christian & the Christian is not comfortable, the next thing to do is to introduced violence as the sole property of Muslims.
But no matter how one tries to explain that in Islam, self-defense was as a result of enemy attacks. For violence was the brain child of Jesus.
For 600yrs That Christianity was older than Islam you can imagine the calamity that befall non Christians.
Just recently, Hitler a Christian massacred "6 million" Jews.
Stalin of USSR also a Christian, committed genocide in which 15-20million people died.

fortran12:
So you agree with me that Muhammad was a violent man, he even tempted one of his men to join in the jihad with blonde ladies

Never accepted that

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Never accepted that

Ok, what if i show reference from your hadiths?

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You see whenever a Muslim is having a discourse with a Christian & the Christian is not comfortable, the next thing to do is to introduced violence as the sole property of Muslims.
But no matter how one tries to explain that in Islam, self-defense was as a result of enemy attacks. For violence was the brain child of Jesus.
For 600yrs That Christianity was older than Islam you can imagine the calamity that befall non Christians.
Just recently, Hitler a Christian massacred "6 million" Jews.
Stalin of USSR also a Christian, committed genocide in which 15-20million people died.

Let us judge the religions by their founders, not the people who practice as they are fallible. do you agree?

fortran12:
Tell that to God

Jesus pbuh from the word go, was complicit by error or commission of all the violent acts in the Bible.

How can one exonerate Jesus pbuh as an accomplice from the heinous acts, genocide & crimes against humanity that one condemns Muslims & prophet Muhammad pbuh to have committed?

Remember Prophet Muhammad pbuh spent less than 100 years in his ministry while Jesus was right from Genesis till manna comes.

600 years of violence perpetrated in the name of Christianity before Islam coupled with Christian crusade and killings by Western Christians during slave trade, Evangelism, colonizations & conquest, invasions of different nations in the quest for dominance (Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Chile, Kosovo, Bosnia, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc.) Out ways any killing by any other religion other than Christians from now till manna comes.

So can we now have a fruitful discourse devoid a violence?

fortran12:
Let us judge the religions by their founders, not the people who practice as they are fallible. do you agree?

This is what my Qur'an tells me;
"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors (Qur'an 5:32).

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Jesus pbuh from the word go, was complicit by error or commission of all the violent acts in the Bible.

How can one exonerate Jesus pbuh as an accomplice from the heinous acts, genocide & crimes against humanity that one condemns Muslims & prophet Muhammad pbuh to have committed?

Remember Prophet Muhammad pbuh spent less than 100 years in his ministry while Jesus was right from Genesis till manna comes.

600 years of violence perpetrated in the name of Christianity before Islam coupled with Christian crusade and killings by Western Christians during slave trade, Evangelism, colonizations & conquest, invasions of different nations in the quest for dominance (Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Chile, Kosovo, Bosnia, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc.) Out ways any killing by any other religion other than Christians from now till manna comes.

So can we now have a fruitful discourse devoid a violence?

Violence is part of islam, its in your books, your prophet was violent. the crusades were a response to the jihads. It was a push back to stop the jihad.
Show me proof that Jesus killed anyone, give me a biblical refernce, and i will show you several by mohammed. Cruel killings that you have to wonder what sort of person he is. Splitting someone in half, driving nails into people's eyes

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This is what my Qur'an tells me;
"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors (Qur'an 5:32).

So what of the part that tells to attack the Jews and Christians?
Mohammed was gentle at the start of his religion, he wanted followers and he even said everyone will goto heaven, when they asked him for a sign or miracle he did not have any to show. Later he turned violent, attacking his city and then attacking his neighbors

fortran12:
Violence is part of islam, its in your books, your prophet was violent. the crusades were a response to the jihads. It was a push back to stop the jihad.
Show me proof that Jesus killed anyone, give me a biblical refernce, and i will show you several by mohammed. Cruel killings that you have to wonder what sort of person he is. Splitting someone in half, driving nails into people's eyes

Was that Jesus teaching?
Are you defending massacre done by Christians and opposed to those done by non Christians?

fortran12:
So what of the part that tells to attack the Jews and Christians?
Mohammed was gentle at the start of his religion, he wanted followers and he even said everyone will goto heaven, when they asked him for a sign or miracle he did not have any to show. Later he turned violent, attacking his city and then attacking his neighbors

Read the Qur'an to understand, and not have a stereotyped mind.
I like you as a person though have never met you.
He was persecuted.

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Was that Jesus teaching?
Are you defending massacre done by Christians and opposed to those done by non Christians?

I told you the muslims attacked everyone and the crusades were there to stop them. Jesus never practiced or call anyone to kill. It was the roman catholic guys that led the crusades, if you see all the benefits the pope promised the guys that fought you will see its not found anywhere in the bible

fortran12:
I told you the muslims attacked everyone and the crusades were there to stop them. Jesus never practiced or call anyone to kill. It was the roman catholic guys that led the crusades, if you see all the benefits the pope promised the guys that fought you will see its not found anywhere in the bible

This is the stereotyped doctrine we are talking about.
Read the Qur'an.
And come back let's discourse.

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Read the Qur'an to understand, and not have a stereotyped mind.
I like you as a person though have never met you.
He was persecuted.

I have read the quran online and physically. I have read the hadiths too. All i am quoting are deeds by your prophet. If they were just words one could excuse mis-interpretation

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This is the stereotyped doctrine we are talking about.
Read the Qur'an.
And come back let's discourse.

I have read the quran, I read a copy at a library

fortran12:
I told you the muslims attacked everyone and the crusades were there to stop them. Jesus never practiced or call anyone to kill. It was the roman catholic guys that led the crusades, if you see all the benefits the pope promised the guys that fought you will see its not found anywhere in the bible

. . . whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. . . (Qur'an 5:32)

Just as you have bad people in every tribe, country, religion (esp the pope you just denounced)so its universal.

fortran12:
I have read the quran online and physically. I have read the hadiths too. All i am quoting are deeds by your prophet. If they were just words one could excuse mis-interpretation

But you will agree with me that Christians have killed more than Muslims can ever kill from historical facts & evidences.

Isolated cases of Muslims is attributed to Islam, while that of a Christian is not.
Was it Muslims that killed George Floyd or his Christian brothers?

fortran12:
I told you the muslims attacked everyone and the crusades were there to stop them. Jesus never practiced or call anyone to kill. It was the roman catholic guys that led the crusades, if you see all the benefits the pope promised the guys that fought you will see its not found anywhere in the bible

Was it Muslims that are fanning the flame of racism in America & Europe?
Hell No.
They are mostly Christians. But was that Jesus message?

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But you will agree with me that Christians have killed more than Muslims can ever kill from historical facts & evidences.

Isolated cases of Muslims is attributed to Islam, while that of a Christian is not.
Was it Muslims that killed George Floyd or his Christian brothers?

Just cos a man is white does not mean he is a Christian. A Christian according to the bible is a born again disciple of Jesus.
So tell me was the police man born again? Again like i say judge the religion by its founders. The people following can make mistakes

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. . . whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. . . (Qur'an 5:32)

Just as you have bad people in every tribe, country, religion (esp the pope you just denounced)so its universal.

I told you your prophet started peaceful then later went violent. Its a fact. Its in your books

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Was is Muslims that are fanning the flame of racism in America & Europe?
Hell No.
They are mostly Christians. But was that Jesus message?

Judge by the founders. Did Jesus own slaves did Mohammed own slaves? The followers of Jesus shld behave like Jesus followers of Mohammed shld behave like him. If Mohammed was peaceful his ppl shld be, but was mohammed a peaceful man?

fortran12:
I told you the muslims attacked everyone and the crusades were there to stop them. Jesus never practiced or call anyone to kill. It was the roman catholic guys that led the crusades, if you see all the benefits the pope promised the guys that fought you will see its not found anywhere in the bible

Let's learn to discuss without attributings violence to each other.
Because the evidences on the net are so damning.
All our deeds we shall account for them someday. Whoever kills an innocent soul, is as he has killed the whole of humanity, likewise he that saveth a soul.

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Let's learn to discuss without attributings violence to each other.
Because the evidences on the net are so damning.
All our deeds we shall account for them someday. Whoever kills an innocent soul, is as he has killed the whole of humanity, likewise he that saveth a soul.

That quote was whn islam started and Mohammed was. Peaceful. In his later years he started Jihad and killed several. All these are in your books. They are in the deeds of Mohammed. Just say the truth and stop sugar coating it

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Let's learn to discuss without attributings violence to each other.
Because the evidences on the net are so damning.
All our deeds we shall account for them someday. Whoever kills an innocent soul, is as he has killed the whole of humanity, likewise he that saveth a soul.

I am all for the truth instead of being politically correct. I will not lie just to make someone feel good.

fortran12:
Judge by the founders. Did Jesus own slaves did Mohammed own slaves? The followers of Jesus shld behave like Jesus followers of Mohammed shld behave like him. If Mohammed was peaceful his ppl shld be, but was mohammed a peaceful man?

But Jesus pbuh wanted to kill Moses pbuh before prophet Muhammad was born.
Slavery (Galatians 4:1- & Racism got its offshoot from the Bible (Romans 9:6-8; 2Kings 17:15).

You can't claim to read & know the Glorious Qur'an and yet not know how to spell Muhammad pbuh correctly.

fortran12:
That quote was whn islam started and Mohammed was. Peaceful. In his later years he started Jihad and killed several. All these are in your books. They are in the deeds of Mohammed. Just say the truth and stop sugar coating it

I gave you my understanding of the Prophet's acts multiple times, but as you can't defend the Bible, you kept asking same question.

Now, don't sugar quote. I'll give you references to your Scripture on racism, slavery, violence.

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I gave you my understanding of the Prophet's acts multiple times, but as you can't defend the Bible, you kept asking same question.

Now, don't sugar quote. I'll give you references to your Scripture on racism, slavery, violence.

What act is there in killing and looting? Pls explain. You say Islam was peaceful, why did they go about killing and doing Jihad ?