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TAO11:
For (1), refer to my detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Also, For (2), refer to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Similarly for (3), refer again to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you


(4) In the light of the fact that Lagos kings trace their ancestry to Benin (through King Ado's Benin mother), and to Lagos itself (through King Ado's Yoruba father -- Ashipa); Lagos and Benin then developed the custom of burying Lagos' kings' "bodies" in Benin, but their "heads" were buried on the soil of their paternal home land -- Lagos.

Refer to R. Smith's "The Lagos Consulate, 1851 - 1861" on page 6 (which is interestingly the same attachment you've attached) where he writes as follows:

"Instead, the connection with Benin was recognized in the customs of taking the body of a dead king (after severing the head) to Benin for burial".

This ancient custom of retaining the heads is clearly reminiscent of the Yoruba saying that "ori ade kii sun ita" which simply translates to: "the crowned-head is never laid to rest in a foreign land".

This again proves the Lagos account which rightly identifies Ashipa as Yoruba (and thus disproving the Benin account of a supposed conquest leading to the supposed installing of an Edo man as king).

This becomes even clearer if one relates this to a similar Bini custom (documented by Chief Egharevba from his Bini informants) that Benin kings have their heads severed and taken to Ife (their ancestral paternal home) for burial, and their bodies buried in Benin.

As has been shown, your attachment at no point alludes to any report of a royal conquest, rather it indicates -- from the burial custom -- that the Lagos account which identifies Ashipa (the progenitor) as Awori, is astonishingly accurate.

The obvious influence of the Benin government which this attachment shows has already been explained repeatedly by the political pact between Lagos and Benin Kingdom which was initiated by Ashipa. Refer again to my point number (6ii) in one of my foregoing comments which you fled.

Keep it short oooh......

I just dey pity Etinosa1234
....


Keep it short, keep it short.... Ooohhhhhhhbbbb

Etinosa1234:
Asin...The first question we suppose dey ask them Na... WERE THEY THERE

Etinosa my advice drop all your proves down, every single one drop them here no need to mention or quote her again since she cant make her writeup short


Just drop your information here and go leave her to read dont reply her mentions again


She is too stubborn

BabaRamota1980:
Hayoholla, keep distance from these people. They are wicked. Theyve killed my car. I cant get it started. It was working fine. Keep away from them. Befoye you converse with Edo witcher chop plenty alligator pepper first so their strike can be deflected. Becareful, and dont touch any broom you see attached to a long stick, dont touch it.

What if I an Exco member of that same coven?

Hahahahha! Evil laughter like Mama G/ Susu.
Greyboy
Ghosttown.

gregyboy:
Keep it short oooh......

I just dey pity Etinosa1234
....


Keep it short, keep it short.... Ooohhhhhhhbbbb

I don tire... simple yes or no...she dey explain...Na once u go know say she dey tight corner already

BabaRamota1980:
Hayoholla, keep distance from these people. They are wicked. Theyve killed my car. I cant get it started. It was working fine. Keep away from them. Befoye you converse with Edo witcher chop plenty alligator pepper first so their strike can be deflected. Becareful, and dont touch any broom you see attached to a long stick, dont touch it.

What if I am an Exco member of that same coven?

Hahahahha! Evil laughter like Mama G/ Susu.
Gregyboy
Ghostwon
Valirex

Oh he wasn't quoting me directly.

TAO11:
Sir Allan Burns Governor General of Ghana and Acting Governor General of Nigeria around the 1920s confimed this same account that Ashipa was in fact a Yoruba from Isheri who formed a political alliance with the influential government of Benin Kingdom in order to emerge as the choice Awori prince to rule the new Lagos dynasty.


For (1), refer to my detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Also, For (2), refer to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you



Similarly for (3), refer again to the same detailed reply to you (which you've been avoiding) on the political alliance with Benin Kingdom which Asheru initiated in the course of the Lagos succession tussle between him and the other Awori prince-candidates for the details of these circumstances.

This may also be found, for example, in point number (6ii) in of an earlier refutation comment to you


(4) In the light of the fact that Lagos kings trace their ancestry to Benin (through King Ado's Benin mother), and to Lagos itself (through King Ado's Yoruba father -- Ashipa); Lagos and Benin then developed the custom of burying Lagos' kings' "bodies" in Benin, but their "heads" were buried on the soil of their paternal home land -- Lagos.

Refer to R. Smith's "The Lagos Consulate, 1851 - 1861" on page 6 (which is interestingly the same attachment you've attached) where he writes as follows:

"Instead, the connection with Benin was recognized in the customs of taking the body of a dead king (after severing the head) to Benin for burial".

This ancient custom of retaining the heads is clearly reminiscent of the Yoruba saying that "ori ade kii sun ita" which simply translates to: "the crowned-head is never laid to rest in a foreign land".

This again proves the Lagos account which rightly identifies Ashipa as Yoruba (and thus disproving the Benin account of a supposed conquest leading to the supposed installing of an Edo man as king).

This becomes even clearer if one relates this to a similar Bini custom (documented by Chief Egharevba from his Bini informants) that Benin kings have their heads severed and taken to Ife (their ancestral paternal home) for burial, and their bodies buried in Benin.

As has been shown, your attachment at no point alludes to any report of a royal conquest, rather it indicates -- from the burial custom -- that the Lagos account which identifies Ashipa (the progenitor) as Awori, is astonishingly accurate.

The obvious influence of the Benin government which this attachment shows has already been explained repeatedly by the political pact between Lagos and Benin Kingdom which was initiated by Ashipa. Refer again to my point number (6ii) in one of my foregoing comments which you fled.

Lemme ask u...was Allan Burns present in 1603 or he was told ?

What do u have to say abt Benin having the undisputed right to choose ur next oba and collect tributes with the use of political alliance

I'm tired of all this explanation...I've given u the platform to do so already ...now just answer yes or no...

Now go back and answer it...

Yes or no

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18#90602178

AreaFada2:
What if I an Exco member of that same coven?

Hahahahha! Evil laughter like Mama G/ Susu.
Gregyboy
Ghostwon
Valirex

Since we ruled them and sacrifice them to our gods they didnt learn anything rather than just making mouth up and down......

See the way he won use to aviod winch alligator pepper oo my god, maybe they tried it with our ancestors in the past while coming to invade them the thing vex our ancestors comot thier head sharperly

Those our ancestors were scary tho....
The ones i grew up to meet were very strict to culture... Unlike the ones now

gregyboy:
Since we ruled them and sacrifice them to our gods they didnt learn anything rather than just making mouth up and down......

See the way he won use to aviod winch alligator pepper oo my god, maybe they tried it with our ancestors in the poast while coming to invade them the thing vex our ancestors comot thier head sharperly

Those our ancestors were scary tho....
The ones i grew up to meet were very strict to culture... Unlike the ones now

Oh boy, even the Benin national/ war flag nor be here o. Blood red flag with a man beheading another. Those dope ancestors were truly scary.

If not, fighting off Jihadists in Edo North in 1515/1516 period for nor easy o. Those who embrace death for 72 virgins.

Na so Benin General Ezomo comot Deji Arakale of Akure head with one cut in 1818. The Deji go do yanga kill Osague, Oba's envoy bringing his instrument of inferiority (confirming Deji as a subordinate) from Oba's palace.

Not easy o.

Etinosa1234:
Lemme ask u...was Allan Burns present in 1603 or he was told ?

What do u have to say abt Benin having the undisputed right to choose ur next oba and collect tributes with the use of political alliance

I'm tired of all this explanation...I've given u the platform to do so already ...now just answer yes or no...

Now go back and answer it...

Yes or no

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18#90602178

Etinosa1234 , abeg stop arguing Lagos matter with these people. They believe they know history of Lagos monarchy more than late Oba Oyekan and current Oba Akiolu. That tells you the people you are dealing with. It's like arguing with a random motor boy at Mushin who says he knows Dangflower more than Aliko Dangote.

AreaFada2:
Oh boy, even the Benin national/ war flag nor be here o. Blood red flag with a man beheading another. Those dope ancestors were truly scary.

If not, fighting off Jihadists in Edo North in 1515/1516 period for nor easy o. Those who embrace death for 72 virgins.

Na so Benin General Ezomo comot Deji Arakale of Akure head with one cut in 1818. The Deji go do yanga kill Osague, Oba's envoy bring his instrument of inferiority (confirming Deji as a subordinate) from Oba's palace.

Not easy o.

Back in the days growing every societal punishment then we were tikd was beheading naso fear they cstch me when i smalll and almost everything we did as kid was forbidden
I remember fetching water for my great grandma with left hand come see scene that day

Even crossing pass tuber if yams was forbidden
Under two decade's benin chsnged rapidly

Etinosa1234:
U keep denying the fact that ur forefathers paid tributes to us ...is this how u want to collect it back
Even oba Akitoye was trying to establish the fact that he was approved by the Benin to rule Lagos inorder to prove his legitimacy...
if u think I'm lieing ..see the letter here www-nairaland-com./5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597">https://https-www-nairaland-com./5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597%3BAfpO0sNZfVFSuWT9#90604252

what sort of political alliance does that
On this matter,akintoye is ur only authority and it was not corroborated by any European who were present around that period. low self-esteem now makes u say that Josua account corroborates the Lagos account(u are so druuuunnnk).. I know u lack understanding so I'll quote the Benin account for u one more time
Egharevba said" the oba set a A WAR CAMP in Lagos to extend his control over the area... Hope ur brain gets this
Then in the same page 73( that shame didn't allow you to post).. it was said that there is an early corroborative account by Josua Ulsheimer who said Lagos was A MILITARY CAMP with soldiers of the Benin kingdom governed by by four generals

See definition of camp
A base of a military group

So does that in anywhere state that Benin pple had settled down b4 1603.. its only ur Brown roof historian that has made such claims that Benin settled prior to 1603

There is no proof anywhere that Benin had been dwelling in Lagos b4 1603. Ur only authority is an Akintoye who was born 300yrs later and documented only what he was told

For ur info.. Josua was a German serving in the Benin army and there is every possibility that if Benin was residing there prior 1603 he would have included it in his account...but he didn't Because it never happened...stop taking in Akintoye tales by moonlight..
Besides the other professors are useless in this topic because...they didn't witness it and would be relying on oral stories to create their history

Once again...I have established the fact that ur Maggi historian called Akintoye only wrote what was told to him by the elders of the village...and his story is not in any way backed by any evidence of Europeans present as at that time...

So as u can see I have squashed ur false talk that the Benin lived in Lagos prior to 1603 except u can prove it with evidence of Europeans living during that period

By the way are u able answer my yes or no question or u want the Benin to re-brainwash u again like we did ur forefathers(if ur claim that it was by political alliance has a 1% truth attached to it lmaoooi)

Gregyboy...we don reduce am to the extent that she now writes a 20 page essay of lies that no one understands and then declare herself winner out of low self-esteem... Yunno this must be hard to deal with especially when u remember the fact that her forefathers were easily brainwashed by the Benin to be paying tributes and also give the Benin undisputed right to dictate who becomes the next oba....

Omo those Awori nor Smart at all my guy!!!!

Tao wake me up when u are brave enough to answer my questions with just yes or no

Refer to the attached for your replies. I have broken them into chunks for you, so you won't have to give the excuse of it's long.

Fell free to chose which part to read and focus on at any time "t".

Good luck!

cc: gregyboy

Etinosa1234:
U keep denying the fact that ur forefathers paid tributes to us ...is this how u want to collect it back
Even oba Akitoye was trying to establish the fact that he was approved by the Benin to rule Lagos inorder to prove his legitimacy...
if u think I'm lieing ..see the letter here www-nairaland-com./5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597">https://https-www-nairaland-com./5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18?iorg_service_id_internal=1646953538912597%3BAfpO0sNZfVFSuWT9#90604252

what sort of political alliance does that
On this matter,akintoye is ur only authority and it was not corroborated by any European who were present around that period. low self-esteem now makes u say that Josua account corroborates the Lagos account(u are so druuuunnnk).. I know u lack understanding so I'll quote the Benin account for u one more time
Egharevba said" the oba set a A WAR CAMP in Lagos to extend his control over the area... Hope ur brain gets this
Then in the same page 73( that shame didn't allow you to post).. it was said that there is an early corroborative account by Josua Ulsheimer who said Lagos was A MILITARY CAMP with soldiers of the Benin kingdom governed by by four generals

See definition of camp
A base of a military group

So does that in anywhere state that Benin pple had settled down b4 1603.. its only ur Brown roof historian that has made such claims that Benin settled prior to 1603

There is no proof anywhere that Benin had been dwelling in Lagos b4 1603. Ur only authority is an Akintoye who was born 300yrs later and documented only what he was told

For ur info.. Josua was a German serving in the Benin army and there is every possibility that if Benin was residing there prior 1603 he would have included it in his account...but he didn't Because it never happened...stop taking in Akintoye tales by moonlight..
Besides the other professors are useless in this topic because...they didn't witness it and would be relying on oral stories to create their history

Once again...I have established the fact that ur Maggi historian called Akintoye only wrote what was told to him by the elders of the village...and his story is not in any way backed by any evidence of Europeans present as at that time...

So as u can see I have squashed ur false talk that the Benin lived in Lagos prior to 1603 except u can prove it with evidence of Europeans living during that period

By the way are u able answer my yes or no question or u want the Benin to re-brainwash u again like we did ur forefathers(if ur claim that it was by political alliance has a 1% truth attached to it lmaoooi)

Gregyboy...we don reduce am to the extent that she now writes a 20 page essay of lies that no one understands and then declare herself winner out of low self-esteem... Yunno this must be hard to deal with especially when u remember the fact that her forefathers were easily brainwashed by the Benin to be paying tributes and also give the Benin undisputed right to dictate who becomes the next oba....

Omo those Awori nor Smart at all my guy!!!!

Tao wake me up when u are brave enough to answer my questions with just yes or no

And this too!

cc: gregyboy

gregyboy:
Ooh can you point out the edo names from the kings of urhobo people or do you need the names presented to you

I think you're dyslexic. Again I wrote Edoid not Edo.

So the challenge is still there for you to meet below:

Which of the following is Edoid:?

Rilwan, Aremu, Osuolale, or Akiolu.

gregyboy:
(1) So you mean the urhobo king have Edoid names

(2) Again what your understanding by ediod names

(3) You're becoming too emotional now, i never even tackle you ooh

(4) Respect your licking mouth there

(5) f you equate ediod by people having thesame geneology then lagos, ondo, ekiti and the others have ediod geneology too and thier names maybe sounding yorubas but it is still edo

(6) Asikpa was a benin man his name was initially asikpaka meaning a very slim fellow

(1) Yes!

(2) What makes you believe that every knowledge you will acquire in life must come from me?

(3)

(4)

(5) Why did you begin with "if"? Are you stylishly asking me what "Edoid" means?

Can you explain what you mean by the phrase "Edoid genealogy" because such phrase is absurd and incoherent. It doesn't exist, and it's meaningless.

(6) In order words, we can call him Mr "Very Slim"? And he will answer??

Attachment: The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of your attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096

gregyboy:
.

The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of that attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096

gregyboy:
Says Yoruba revisionists media

Nope! That was the so-called interview by Gabriel Omonhimin.

And I have shown that this so-called interview is a made-up fraud by this Edo man (Gabriel Omonhimin) to whip up the emotion of gullible Edos like yourself.

Refer to the following comment wherein I have already demonstrated this:


*Having said that, even your link which was supposed to go to a one-to-one interview with Oba Akiolu shows that his supposed responses cannot possibly be from a one-to-one interview context.

This is in light of the fact of the perfect lexis & structure of the responses, as well as their absolute lack of spontaneity. These observations are evidently anomalous to one-to-one interview responses.

In fact, the delineation between the king’s supposed responses and the author’s own analyses was deliberately blurred. And the reason why the author engaged in all these foul-plays is not far-fetched at all. He is an Edo man – Gabriel Omonhimin.*

gregyboy:
Lagos account, people when them nor get any form of document prior to to tge British arrive na u dey listen to because thier account sweet you

Babe you mumu abeg..... Na thier account you suppose reason abi the account of early historical document from 1603

Sense you nor get anything when sweet you dey post..... I will be force to entire this discussion and end it once and for all

You too like talk

Or do you think the article we are giving you are authors from benin


So that your brothers will shouting on your behalf
Unfair....... Calling me names like winch

Lagos has had contact with the Portuguese as early as the 1400s when it was named Lago de Curamo. Just putting that out there.

Moreover, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that Lagos was violently infiltrated and captured for royal conquest by the Binis. In which part of the account does it say that?

Furthermore, I am not aware of any 1603 account which says that an Edo man was imposed by Benin as king of Lagos.

gregyboy:
Keep it short oooh......

I just dey pity Etinosa1234

Keep it short, keep it short.... Ooohhhhhhhbbbb

You will cry blood on this one.

I'm glad you later agreed that he should be pitied for being stuck on this one.

Your application for Lagos indigenship has been torn to pieces. I am set to even burn the pieces.

Lagosian wanna-bes.

Etinosa1234:
(1) Lemme ask u...was Allan Burns present in 1603 or he was told ?

(2) What do u have to say abt Benin having the undisputed right to choose ur next oba and collect tributes with the use of political alliance

I'm tired of all this explanation...I've given u the platform to do so already ...now just answer yes or no...

Now go back and answer it...

Yes or no

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/18#90602178

(1) His account is, at least, the earliest independent account which positively confirms this detail of one of the two traditional accounts -- that is, of the Lagos traditional account.

Can you bring me any independent account which is earlier or around the same time as Allan Burns which says that Ashipa is not Yoruba but Bini??

(2) Your question goes: "What do you have to say...?"

Yet you added, "just answer yes or no".

Are you sure you're normal?

Moreover, this question and others like it which you've repeatedly asked has been answered in details repeatedly.

I'm not sure why you don't want to engage the response I gave, but would rather re-ask again thus creating a false impression that you didn't see the earlier responses.

Attachments:
1st: The eyewitness account of Ulsheimer does not support this interpretation of the author of that attachment. Refer to my comment at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/5846195/benins-owners-ogboni-confraternity-olokun/20#90608096

2nd: This attachment has zero corroboration or confirmation to your Benin traditional account.

3rd: I have addressed this where I showed that it refutes your view that Ashipa is a Bini. It confirms my position that he is Yoruba. You just have to engage my reply to it and not simply pretend not to see it by bringing it up again.

4th: This has been addressed over and over. You need to stop pretending to be unaware that it's been addressed. What you should be doing at this point is to enagage the response I gave and raise reasonable contentions from it (if any).

gregyboy:
Guy i dont buy this ife thing ooh, except you won provide me evidence say all yorubas migrated from ife and oduduwa existence as man......

Usen people were originally benins who were influenced yorubas, we have smd it is not just pertaining to usen.... We have a bini tribe inflenced by edo and igbos oza ngogo

From Usen Development Foundation website: The People Of ODE AWURE
(USEN)
"Usenland originated as a farmstead about the tenth
century A.D. It was founded by some indigenes of
Ile-Ife, who migrated to settle on the well-drained
and fertile plain of the present Odomukpe quarters
of the town. The leader of these first settlers was
called Oyebo. He was a farmer and a famous
hunter who was very eager to kill any game in the
gigantic forest where he settled. Tradition has it
that during one of his expeditions he discovered a
stream which he named ERI-ODE (the hunter’s
stream) the stream is now commonly called
EREDE. The stream was later believed to have
some mystical powers. It was accordingly deified.
Erede is one of the most revered deities that are
worshipped by the people of Usen.
Oyebo was an elegant man, he was hardworking,
respectful, honest, and courageous. He had strong
affinity with Ile-Ife which made him to visit Ile-Ife
frequently and to persuade his co-settlers to
adhere strictly to the culture of Ile-Ife. The
prosperity, comfort and peace which he radiated
whenever he visited Ile-Ife attracted more indigenes
of Ife to the “new foundland”. The place expanded
and Oyebo and his co-settlers regarded it as an
extension of Ile-Ife and named it Ufe-kekere (Little
Ife).
He went to request the Olofen (Ooni of Ife) to send
one of his sons to rule over the settlement so as
to enhance its status among other settlements. It
was the practice in those days for Princes of Ife to
be sent out to rule in other settlements. The Ooni
obliged and gave the necessary regalia and staff of
office to one of his sons to become the traditional
ruler of the settlement. The new traditional ruler
took the title ALADIN.
On arrival at the settlement, he decided to change
the name “Ufe-Kekere” so that it would not conflict
with Ile-Ife his ancestral home. He considered the
place as a land of fortune and named it “Ode
Awure”. His royal highnessAladin thus became the
first OluAwure of Ode Awure. The current OluAwure,
His Majesty,OluOgbe II, is the thirty third (33rd)
OluAwure of OdeAwure (Usenland)."

This is from the Usen people themselves telling you their own origin. You Bini revisionists should stop being shameless for once. Geez!

I use this post to re-construct the reason of Benin in Lagos. I also show some heirarchy of Yoruba Obas ever before anything was known as Nigeria or Western Region or Western Nigeria.....back when it was just Yorubaland.

Using these references I bring forth evidence that on the coast there were two two known forces between the Niger and westward to the Volta. They were Benin and Abidjan, Benin having a upper hand. In the old days, wars were fought using cavalry, naval or infantry. These three mediums were factors that contributed to Benin dominance on the coast. Ijebu was also a coastal city and maintained its independence from Benin with its focus on international trade, exporting clothes and serving as middlemen between coast and hinterland. There was no place known as Abeokuta or Owu or Ibadan in 1500 to 1700. The Empires of Ife, Oyo, Ghana, Dahomey, Nupe and Borgu Kingdoms, were all hinterland and did not use navy to fight wars. Hence we can say Benin had no competition on the coast initially. Benin military might was naval, it did not expand conquest to the interior beyond the forest belt.

Why was Benin in Lagos? The King of Benin himself did not go to war, rather, trading proxies used his authority to protect their own merchant trades along the swamps and coastal areas between River Niger and River Volta. A similar arrangement was entered into between Beecroft and Britain, where as private citizen he began by serving as proxy of the Crown in securing treaties with coastal chiefs and his impressive successes secured trust and he ended gaining administrative responsibilities that saw him acting as Commander in the assault of British Navy on Lagos in 1851. This explains the presence of mercenaries in the Benin war camps and war conflicts along the coast. For the proxies, their bottom line is securing trade advantage and retaining domination of trade with the natives. They did not care one bit whether their victory in a war helped Benin to expand real territory and conquest over surbordinate natives. This explains why Benin language, culture and tangible ownership is missing in almost all the native lands where in Benin derived token income.

Dahomey gained prominence in early 1600 but by late 1500 it was already taking assaults to the coast. Whydah, Adja, Popo, Badagry, Eko and so on. Dahomey had captured some coastal trade ports under Abidjan authority and even threatened Badagry and Adja numerous times. The traders in Eko did not want to suffer defeat in hand of Dahomey and end up loosing their trade advantage. The merchants (war proxies) thus approached Benin and obtained the King's authority for Lagos. The Oba's authority is what led to the war camps...one in Lagos port, the other in Badagry. The Badagry port was the deterrent to stall Dahomey from reaching Lagos. In return for the seal of authority, the proxies remitt income back to Benin. There was no sail boats that left Benin to power canoes to Lagos to go fight a war and conquest Lagos.

This is what makes it impossible to reconstruct the boat sail with its supposedly thousands of warriors that left Benin to go fight and conquer Lagos. The boats that formed the naval force were already boats in the rivers and canals that had hitherto been in everyday use commercially to transport people and goods upstream and downstream River Ogun and the Lagos Lagoon. They were manned by peace time merchants who in readiness for conflict had now become mercenaries and warriors for Benin and positioned to deal first opportunity blows to Dahomey than sit still and allow their trade and economy ruined and their land seized while they become prisoners and slave stock sold off to sea. Prudence!

Any war attack from Benin directly on Lagos would have impacted Ijebu and Oyo far more severe than it would impact the native Aworis. Ijebu controlled the right of way in all directions from Benin to get to Lagos, as it did hinterland to Oyo. Ijebu collected tolls on the rivers. A war in Lagos would disrupt trade and resulted in people deserting their homes and towns to escape into nearby towns. Ijebu would not have allowed such ambition without participating to defend Lagos against Benin. Neither would Oyo! The reason Ijebus are notorious in Yorubaland is nothing but stereotypical labels stemming from their shrewdness and first grade stratagem around market protections and business continuity. You will first kill Ijebu before you will unjustly interfere and disrupt his income; you can't take what Ijebu cherishes while he is breathing. It is on record that Ijebu retained its independence from Benin rule in its entire history, and in fact there is cordial trade relationship between the two. So the idea of Benin taking war to attack and conquer Lagos is untrue. Benin had authority of war in Lagos....but it was for DEFENSE of Lagos, not conquest of Lagos. If a ward had broke out it would have happened at the Badagry camp....and only Dahomey defeated that post will they then enter to attack Lagos but it never happened. The deterrence in Badagry served its purpose well.


The Cessation Treaty of 1861 caught the Idejo Chiefs unawares but they gradually petitioned Britain and steadily reverted Dosunmu's act in ceeding their land to foreigners. In their petition their core points relied on two historical facts.

1. Dosunmu can ceede his crown and throne that's a business between him and Oba of Benin but he has no authority, nor does Oba of Benin, on the legal rights of lands in Lagos without an express authority of the Idejo Council.

What this means is, the Idejo Council acknowledged that an earlier treaty existed between Benin and Lagos and it established peace and security allowing the Oba to sit in Lagos in person of a proxy that acts out his authority. The throne and crown are symbols of the authority. That treaty of peace and security did not confer nor include authority over the land of Lagos. They mentioned three classes of nobility that act out Oba of Benin authorities, in addition to Eleko - Akarigbere (Aides and Ministers), Ogalade (Priests), Abagbon (Warriors).

2. Idejo submitted that their treaty of peace and security with Benin motivates them to vacate their palace and leave town when there is a raging conflict in town. The Eleko must secure town, not Idejo (Land Barons), and this has been the practice.

The Colonial government contested in court and lost the argument.


Let me stop here but I followup with attachments, starting with a word of wisdom from a scholar, admonishing the need to filter and get facts out of the many versions, including those issued from places of high credibility and nobility.

Not every rulership was won by a conquest, many rulership in fact started from a position of allegiance and defense. Such is the case of Benin and Lagos. Britain had to destroy many Yoruba coastal towns to bring them under its rule, yet Yoruba hinterland also came under same rule without a single fire shot! America blew the Spaniards and Mexicans to pieces to acquire Florida and California...but same America signed trade treaty with France and purchased Louisiana without a single fire. America bought Alaska from its avid opponent, USSR, without a war but took battle to Panama just to secure a right of way.


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Edeyoung:
You are quoting gregyboy and you're calling my name as him, why are you all dump, mostly the
Shegoat that gave you guys that idea i am gregyboy....... What a pity. confused peeps

Funny enough, your Gregboy moniker could not differentiate between "dumb" and "dump" and he repeatedly write "dump" instead of dumb. One would expect Edoyoung, a different entity, different person to be able to note the difference. But no. He too writes "dump" for "dumb".

What more evidence do I need to confirm Edoyoung is Gregboy and gregboy is Edoyoung?

Baba, you are the dumPEST to think people are dumb enough to buy into your deceit.

This was the recognized list of paramount kings of Yorubaland before a placed called Nigeria was formed.

Oba Ado.

How did it change to Omo n Oba of Benin?

sesan85:
From Usen Development Foundation website: The People Of ODE AWURE
(USEN)
"Usenland originated as a farmstead about the tenth
century A.D. It was founded by some indigenes of
Ile-Ife, who migrated to settle on the well-drained
and fertile plain of the present Odomukpe quarters
of the town. The leader of these first settlers was
called Oyebo. He was a farmer and a famous
hunter who was very eager to kill any game in the
gigantic forest where he settled. Tradition has it
that during one of his expeditions he discovered a
stream which he named ERI-ODE (the hunter’s
stream) the stream is now commonly called
EREDE. The stream was later believed to have
some mystical powers. It was accordingly deified.
Erede is one of the most revered deities that are
worshipped by the people of Usen.
Oyebo was an elegant man, he was hardworking,
respectful, honest, and courageous. He had strong
affinity with Ile-Ife which made him to visit Ile-Ife
frequently and to persuade his co-settlers to
adhere strictly to the culture of Ile-Ife. The
prosperity, comfort and peace which he radiated
whenever he visited Ile-Ife attracted more indigenes
of Ife to the “new foundland”. The place expanded
and Oyebo and his co-settlers regarded it as an
extension of Ile-Ife and named it Ufe-kekere (Little
Ife).
He went to request the Olofen (Ooni of Ife) to send
one of his sons to rule over the settlement so as
to enhance its status among other settlements. It
was the practice in those days for Princes of Ife to
be sent out to rule in other settlements. The Ooni
obliged and gave the necessary regalia and staff of
office to one of his sons to become the traditional
ruler of the settlement. The new traditional ruler
took the title ALADIN.
On arrival at the settlement, he decided to change
the name “Ufe-Kekere” so that it would not conflict
with Ile-Ife his ancestral home. He considered the
place as a land of fortune and named it “Ode
Awure”. His royal highnessAladin thus became the
first OluAwure of Ode Awure. The current OluAwure,
His Majesty,OluOgbe II, is the thirty third (33rd)
OluAwure of OdeAwure (Usenland)."

This is from the Usen people themselves telling you their own origin. You Bini revisionists should stop being shameless for once. Geez!

Thats not a Benin man. Thats Edo man. There is difference. Benin is Yoruba, Edo is just.....non-Yoruba!

babtoundey:
Funny enough, your Gregboy moniker could not differentiate between "dumb" and "dump" and he repeatedly write "dump" instead of dumb. One would expect Edoyoung, a different entity, different person to be able to note the difference. But no. He too writes "dump" for "dumb".

What more evidence do I need to confirm Edoyoung is Gregboy and gregboy is Edoyoung?

Baba, you are the dumPEST to think people are dumb enough to buy into your deceit.

Mumu autocorrect all phones do that

gregyboy:
Mumu autocorrect all phones do that

Why e be say na only your phone does it?

gregyboy:
Mumu autocorrect all phones do that

All phones.. You're an irredeemable liar. Kuku say your phone does it.

babtoundey:
Funny enough, your Gregboy moniker could not differentiate between "dumb" and "dump" and he repeatedly write "dump" instead of dumb. One would expect Edoyoung, a different entity, different person to be able to note the difference. But no. He too writes "dump" for "dumb".

What more evidence do I need to confirm Edoyoung is Gregboy and gregboy is Edoyoung?

Baba, you are the dumPEST to think people are dumb enough to buy into your deceit.

TAO11 don finsh this one