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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:42am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:


Yes the itsekiri and the Europeans knew why they addressed the benin as angry people and called it a land of blood

Every yoruba we came in contact we defeated them even the village empire called oyo


Is that why ordinary baby Ibadan decimated your 2by2Benin Kingdom?? grin cheesy

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:46am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Hahahaha. Again, the history of the elders from which the first ogiso emerged is out there. Ashanti have said the golden stool didn't come from the sky yet outsiders still claim so.

King Bling Frederick and Ooni in their writings about Oduduwa still do not match. Olugbo even claims seniority to Ooni.
Your people here still claim chain from the hill, sky, Egypt, Israel. grin

Who do we believe among these Bini versions:

Ogiso Igodo from Egypt

or

Ogiso Igodo from Ife

or Ogiso Igodo from the sky to Benin City round about.

Even you yourself are embarrased to add your own version.


Mind you, while all these conflicting versions about your Ogiso are your own indigenous accounts, the accounts of Israel, Egypt, Mecca are not found originally in Yoruba traditions.

They are either classical Hausa views or modern blog writings. Nothing indigenous or scholarly.

Same can't be said of your Ogiso.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:47am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Is that why ordinary baby Ibadan decimated your Benin Kingdom?? grin cheesy



Were are you from



The other nigga said his but you keep hiding yours......

I know you have sworn to drag benin into your mythical dreams


Even going around alk thread bad mouthing me to the igbos

As god will have it even your brothers accepted oba is indegenous to benin



You know how nollywood movies end on wicked people that would indeed be your end

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 10:49am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:


Were are you from



The other nigga said his but you keep hiding yours......

I know you have sworn to drag benin into your mythical dreams


Even going around alk thread bad mouthing me to the igbos

As god will have it even your brothers accepted oba is indegenous to benin



You know how nollywood movies end on wicked people that would indeed be your end

Is this how you will explain why Ibadan crushed your Benin Kingdom.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 10:51am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:


Yes the itsekiri and the Europeans knew why they addressed the benin as angry people and called it a land of blood

Every yoruba we came in contact we defeated them even the village empire called oyo

Yes, action is what they called anger. No time to bark, brag, raise dust and then be doing suwegbe or pick race when action time comes. grin

I remember one day one Asaba guy (a fellow Bendelite as we were then) saw okpor JuJu belonging to a Yoruba boy inside his trainers in the morning. It was after a house party and everyone slept off later.

When the Asaba guy voiced his displeasure over how the okpor got into his shoe. The Yoruba boys there surrounded the Asaba guy to hush him up and intimidate him. Oh boy, we Bendel guys got them scampering for safety. 4 of us against 10 or eleven of them. grin

Chai, I laugh tire that day. I used to consider those guys "brothers" until I saw their tribalism at work. Carrying tribalism all the way to diaspora. Carrying JuJu tied with red cloth, threads and pins to a house party. Smh.

They were later saying these Anini people nor dey joke o. grin

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:52am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Is this how you will explain why Ibadan crushed your Benin Kingdom.



Where are you from



You transgendered answer first
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 10:56am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Yes, action is what they called anger. No time to bark, brag, raise dust and then be doing suwegbe or pick race when action time comes. grin

I remember one day one Asaba guy (a fellow Bendelite as we were then) saw okpor JuJu belonging to a Yoruba boy inside his trainers in the morning.. It was after a house party and everyone slept off later.

Whenbthe Asaba guy voiced his displeasure over how the okpor got into his shoe. The Yoruba boys there surrounded the Asaba guy to hush him and intimidate him. Oh boy, we Bendel guys got them scampering for safety. 4 of us against 10 or eleven of them. grin

Chai, I laugh tire that day. I used to consider those guys "brothers" until I saw their tribalism at work. Carrying tribalism all the way to diaspora.

They were later saying these Anini people nor dey joke o. grin



Lol,

I swear democracy favours number if not wentin them use take pass us nothing

I staged an igbo and a yoruba guy on different occasions to prove what they have use to supercede benin people in nigeria they couldn't talk
Yet they were the first to call us minority


Maybe we be small but mighty

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 10:58am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


If I sama you e-slap with your moronic lying tongue!

No be only older than Ife. Na older than Egypt you for talk.

Where is the archaeological dating result?

You think every sane person buys into your nonsensical king list of Ogiso and pre-Ogiso jokes??

Bring archaeological results like that of Paul Ozanne or Robin Horton that have variously adduced archaeological evidence dating many settlements in the Ife bowl to at least 500BC.

Not your feel-good imaginations with which you Binis compensate desperately for your inferiority complex.

Nonsense and Oba Ovoranmwen.

cc: illicit
Yes. Am here
No carbon dating can prove what he is saying.
Archaeological remains in Ife are older than that of Benin.
As a linguist I know that the yorubas used the word oba and Ogboni first before the benins too....

He wants to rewrite history ni.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 11:02am On May 10, 2020
illicit:

Yes. Am here
No carbon dating can prove what he is saying.
Archaeological remains in Ife are older than that of Benin.
As a linguist I know that the yorubas used the word oba and Ogboni first before the benins too....

He wants to rewrite history ni.

Perfect!

In fact, not only does archaeological evidence show Ife to be ancient, those results particularly mentioned that by circa500BC MANY SETTLEMENTS have already flowered in the Ife bowl.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 11:06am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Who do we believe among these Bini versions:

Ogiso Igodo from Egypt

or

Ogiso Igodo from Ife

or Ogiso Igodo from the sky to Benin City round about.

Even you yourself are embarrased to add your own version.


Mind you, while all these conflicting versions about your Ogiso are authoritative, the accounts of Israel, Egypt, Mecca are not found originally in Yoruba traditions.

They are either classical Hausa views or modern blog writings. Nothing indigenous or scholarly.

Same can't be said of your Ogiso.
Your problem is you copy and paste anything you see. Like I mentioned elsewhere before, I grew up in a house with a rich library. Books and journal articles were written in my presence. For you anything written is impressive.

Not me who saw history being written and can discern.

You will probably learn that with time. Experience is the best teacher.

Well, Muslim scholars wrote your history and gave you Yoruba/Yoruba name. My part of SW is Ado-Akure.

Not Islamic baptismal name. To tell them Alakubar to correct your history. grin

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by AreaFada2: 11:08am On May 10, 2020
illicit:

Yes. Am here
No carbon dating can prove what he is saying.
Archaeological remains in Ife are older than that of Benin.
As a linguist I know that the yorubas used the word oba and Ogboni first before the benins too....

He wants to rewrite history ni.
Better do hydrogen dating. Then do Uranium dating. grin
Carbon dating will not be enough. A linguist educated where? Ife, Ibadan, Lagos or where?

I read up to 5 books to get a balance view of Napoleon Bonaparte. All in original languages. It took the American and Swiss authors to give the most balanced narrative. The British and French authors were either writing about a hero or a villain.
Lol.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 11:08am On May 10, 2020
illicit:

Yes. Am here
No carbon dating can prove what he is saying.
Archaeological remains in Ife are older than that of Benin.
As a linguist I know that the yorubas used the word oba and Ogboni first before the benins too....

He wants to rewrite history ni.

Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 11:20am On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Your problem is you copy and paste anything you see. Like I mentioned elsewhere before, I grew up in a house with a rich library. Books and journal articles were written in my presence. For you anything written is impressive.

Not me who saw history being written and can discern.

You will probably learn that with time. Experience is the best teacher.

Well, Muslim scholars wrote your history and gave you Yoruba/Yoruba name. My part of SW is Ado-Akure.

Not Islamic baptismal name. To tell them Alakubar to correct your history. grin

I'm not sure what kind of books and articles they wrote in the house you grew up.

But I'm sure it must be some fvcked up books going by how you lie through your teeth everywhere on Nairaland.

Binis be amazing me. They lie through their tooth, but get rattled and slip into tantrum when they get busted.

What were you all thinking? To lie freely and not get exposed??

C'mon spare me those nonsense!

Moreover, you fail the second time to mention which version of your ancestor you subscribe to.

Is it Ogiso Igodo from Ife, or Ogiso Igodo from Egypt, or Ogiso Igodo from the sky without parachute?? Which one?? grin

You can freely add other views if you think I didn't mention them all.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by TAO11(f): 11:22am On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:
.

Hurray!! grin cheesy ... gregyboy finally cites his trusted "scholar" and "authority".

grin grin


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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 11:25am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Hurray!! grin cheesy ... gregyboy finally cites his trusted "scholar" and "authority".

grin grin


cc: illicit



Mumu which part of yoruba are you from
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 11:47am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


I'm from all parts of Yoruba as my parents have parents, and their parents also with parents, and so on adinfinitum all iver Yorubaland.

Is their anyway an answer to that question will help you explain why ordinary Ibadan attacked, raided, and decimated your Benin Kingdom??
ibadan is not ordinary, they were the successor of oyo and they made it seem as if they were under the Alaafin in those days in the 19th century.
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 11:53am On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


I'm from all parts of Yoruba as my parents have parents, and their parents also with parents, and so on adinfinitum all iver Yorubaland.

Is their anyway an answer to that question will help you explain why ordinary Ibadan attacked, raided, and decimated your Benin Kingdom??


Mumu they are tribe in yoruba name yours mumu




After this you shoudnt go and commit suicide ooh you called it for yourself
My hand nor dey ooo


I will stop abusing you now, youre making me feel guilty and also making me go against my norms



Babe stop been abusive.......



And pass whatsoever massage you want to pass with no insult biko
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 12:52pm On May 10, 2020
AreaFada2:

Better do hydrogen dating. Then do Uranium dating. grin
Carbon dating will not be enough. A linguist educated where? Ife, Ibadan, Lagos or where?

I read up to 5 books to get a balance view of Napoleon Bonaparte. All in original languages. It took the American and Swiss authors to give the most balanced narrative. The British and French authors were either writing about a hero or a villain.
Lol.

A linguist is a linguist. institution doesn't matter here, we read the same books and the methods are the same. FYI from UNILORIN.
Language is the best source of history FYI.
You are talking about Napoleon and original languages, can you tell me the first language spoken on Earth? I may tell you about Nimrod and how languages began and spread .

Take it or leave it, Benin kingdom is later than Ife or Oyo kingdom, the evidences are plethora.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 1:11pm On May 10, 2020
you can ask yourself why the oba of Benin is referred to as omonoba.
Omo oba in yoruba means a prince

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:03pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:
you can ask yourself why the oba of Benin is referred to as omonoba.
Omo oba in yoruba means a prince




Sicko



Omo n'oba nedo ukwakpolopolo title

Eware11 = name


Calling just oba as the title is incorrect oba is just an abbreviations of the full name

The question should be why did the yorubas adopt the word oba to represent kingship in yoruba land was the power of power so strong among yoruba territories just like we nigerians adopted king as an English title for our king.....



You guys simply adopted the title oba into your lexicon in the early 30s

Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 2:06pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:





Sicko



Omo n'oba nedo ukwakpolopolo title

Eware11 = name


Calling just oba as the title is incorrect oba is just an abbreviations of the full name

The question should be why did the yorubas adopt the word oba to represent kingship in yoruba land was the power of power so strong among yoruba territories just like we nigerians adopted king as an English title for our king.....



You guys simply adopted the title oba into your lexicon in the early 30s

oh boy you don't get it.

what language do u speak.

Oba in Yoruba translates to "he who presides"


omo oba means the Scion of he who presides.

omonoba nedo.... means the prince in edo....

what does oba mean in your language. answer that.

am a linguist you know.


Obadiah or whatever you are quoting from Edom has nothing to do with this.
No linguistic correlation.

How do you even know the right pronunciation for Obadiah....

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:13pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:





Sicko



Omo n'oba nedo ukwakpolopolo title

Eware11 = name


Calling just oba as the title is incorrect oba is just an abbreviations of the full name

The question should be why did the yorubas adopt the word oba to represent kingship in yoruba land was the power of power so strong among yoruba territories just like we nigerians adopted king as an English title for our king.....



You guys simply adopted the title oba into your lexicon in the early 30s
shut up and stop lying oba is yoruba word. The title otunba a very prominent title in all yoruba land means king right hand man. So tell me how yoruba copy Benin when it’s clear as day it’s the other way around. Every market in Yoruba land there is oja oba. Even the Europeans wrote about it. The truth is Benin adopted the word when oranmiyab from came to rule ur people. Cuz the word oba has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language while it does in Yoruba.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:15pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


oh boy you don't get it.

what language do u speak.

Oba in Yoruba translates to "he who presides"


omo oba means the Scion of he who presides.

omonoba nedo.... means the prince in edo....

what does oba mean in your language. answer that.

am a linguist you know.


Obadiah or whatever you are quoting from Edom has nothing to do with this.
No linguistic correlation.

How do you even know the right pronunciation for Obadiah....
apart from oba. There is yoruba title like otunba. Even the people that get killed with the king in the Olden days of oyo are called abobaku. The only word Benin has regarding the oba is their omo noba nedo the shining one.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by lawani: 2:16pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
shut up and stop lying oba is yoruba word. The title otunba a very prominent title in all yoruba land means king right hand man. So tell me how yoruba copy Benin when it’s clear as day it’s the other way around. Every market in Yoruba land there is oja oba. Even the Europeans wrote about it. The truth is Benin adopted the word when oranmiyab from came to rule ur people. Cuz the word oba has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language while it does in Yoruba.
thanks for this insight.
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:18pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


oh boy you don't get it.

what language do u speak.

Oba in Yoruba translates to "he who presides"


omo oba means the Scion of he who presides.

omonoba nedo.... means the prince in edo....

what does oba mean in your language. answer that.

am a linguist you know.


Obadiah or whatever you are quoting from Edom has nothing to do with this.
No linguistic correlation.

How do you even know the right pronunciation for Obadiah....



Nigga if oba is who preside that is oba for Yoruba

Our own is not oba but omo no ba not omo oba



Omo no ona( a shinny one)



Yoruba have so many word for king

Olu=one who preside
Ooni=one who preside
Kaybeysi=one who preside
Deji=one who preside

The world oba is borrowed by the yoruba will overlorded the entire weak Yoruba tribe

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 2:26pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:




Nigga if oba is who preside that is oba for Yoruba

Our own is not oba but omo no ba not omo oba



Omo no ona( a shinny one)



Yoruba have so many word for king

Olu=one who preside
Ooni=one who preside
Kaybeysi=one who preside
Deji=one who preside

The world oba is borrowed by the yoruba will overlorded the entire weak Yoruba tribe

thank u. you are bringing out the linguist in me gradually.

Oba is the only word in Yoruba that means he who presides.

Ooni is a title for a king, an Oba, it doesn't mean he who presides, it is a title for one who presides.
same as Kabiyesi which means, the unquestionable one.
Deji is another one, which is short for Owafadeji, the one whom Owa gave a crown etc.

Owa means the seeker or he who came.
I particularly I am Omo Owa by pedigree and am not even a prince.
Owa is the title for the Oba in Ilesha.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:26pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
shut up and stop lying oba is yoruba word. The title otunba a very prominent title in all yoruba land means king right hand man. So tell me how yoruba copy Benin when it’s clear as day it’s the other way around. Every market in Yoruba land there is oja oba. Even the Europeans wrote about it. The truth is Benin adopted the word when oranmiyab from came to rule ur people. Cuz the word oba has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language while it does in Yoruba.


Oromiyan that samuel johson didnt even write that he came from ife go sit down nor be only oromiyan na orayan

You expect me to believe your myth lol



We have more than 30 kings in yoruba land who heritage are from benin tell me why the word oba wont be adopted to the yorubas lexicon


Unlike oromiyan who some authors believe never existed but was a mythical idol


In the entire Edo state show me three kings who have Yoruba ancestory


The truth is edo overlorded you guys


Oduduwa is a political canopy to escape oyo rule


So emir title in kwara is also a Yoruba title abi

Benin - ife never had connections oga go sit-down

Untill proven otherwise

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 2:31pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Oromiyan that samuel johson didnt even write that he came from ife go sit down nor be only oromiyan

You expect me to believe your myth lol



We have more than 30king who heritage are benin tell me why the word oba wont be adopted to the yorubas lexicon


Unlike oromiyan who some authors believe never existed


In the entire Edo state show me three kings who have Yoruba ancestory


The truth is edo overlorded you guys


Oduduwa is a political canopy to escape oyo rule


So emir title in kwara is also a Yoruba title

Benin - ife never had connections oga go sit-down




you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas of its own.

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