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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:32pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


thank u. you are bringing out the linguist in me gradually.

Oba is the only word in Yoruba that means he who presides.

Ooni is a title for a king, an Oba, it doesn't mean he who presides, it is a title for one who presides.
same as Kabiyesi which means, the unquestionable one.
Deji is another one, which is short for Owafadeji, the one whom Owa gave a crown etc.

Owa means the seeker or he who came.
I particularly I am Omo Owa by pedigree and am not even a prince.
Owa is the title for the Oba in Ilesha.

Omonoba nedo means the prince in Edo take it from a linguist or leave it.


Lol,


Prove benin and ife had connections from the earliest yoruba writer samuel johson

Am making it easier the author is one of your own




If you can prove it 10k for you
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:35pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Oromiyan that samuel johson didnt even write that he came from ife go sit down nor be only oromiyan na orayan

You expect me to believe your myth lol



We have more than 30 kings in yoruba land who heritage are from benin tell me why the word oba wont be adopted to the yorubas lexicon


Unlike oromiyan who some authors believe never existed but was a mythical idol


In the entire Edo state show me three kings who have Yoruba ancestory


The truth is edo overlorded you guys


Oduduwa is a political canopy to escape oyo rule


So emir title in kwara is also a Yoruba title abi

Benin - ife never had connections oga go sit-down

Untill proven otherwise

tell me the name of the 30 kings in Yoruba land that are of Benin heritage cuz apart from ogoga of ikere who claimed his ancestors are from Benin no king is descendants of Benin. Meanwhile in the first place ur king is descendant of oranmiyan a Yoruba so by extension the king of ikere is also yoruba.
Dumbass emir title is not even African but Arabs and its Amir and it’s beinv used as an Islamic title in ilorin. The ilorin people still call him oba cuz that’s the Yoruba word for king. Even the market is still called oja oba.
If there is no word called oba in Benin and it’s just an appellation what does name like Obaseki and co means. Why is ur king called oba ewuare.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:37pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas of its own.
emir is a Islamic title nothing to do with Fulani.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:39pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas oonis of its own.



All this are long stories first of all


Benin history was documented since 1475 tilll 1897 by different European tell me were they mentioned ife, oromiyan,

Or you can also use archaeological evidence to prrof benin-ife connection

After you finally prove it we can now start the debate who owns oba


Any answer given should not exceed 1914 publication you can even sort the earliest works of yorubas too

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:45pm On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


Nice one!

Keep giving it to thick-skulled boy.

His skull must be soft today.

I have already exposed them on that "Oba" thingy.

In the end we found that the word "Oba" does not even exist in Edo language till today.

cc: gregyboy, Edeyoung I lie?? grin
Oba is undisputed Yoruba from Nigeria to Benin to Togo. The word ba in relation to leadership is ever present. Apart from ojo oba, ojude oba. Long term title like otunba has been present in Yoruba for centuries. Yoruba names with oba attaches to them.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 2:45pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
emir is a Islamic title nothing to do with Fulani.
yeah sure.

I used fulani because that's what they call their kings and they were the one to ever use the title in Ilorin and Nigeria as a whole.
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:45pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
tell me the name of the 30 kings in Yoruba land that are of Benin heritage cuz apart from ogoga of ikere who claimed his ancestors are from Benin no king is descendants of Benin. Meanwhile in the first place ur king is descendant of oranmiyan a Yoruba so by extension the king of ikere is also yoruba.
Dumbass emir title is not even African but Arabs and its Amir and it’s beinv used as an Islamic title in ilorin. The ilorin people still call him oba cuz that’s the Yoruba word for king. Even the market is still called oja oba.
If there is no word called oba in Benin and it’s just an appellation what does name like Obaseki and co means. Why is ur king called oba ewuare.



You have started adding emotions to your comments soon we will tame you like tao



Amyway too much talk


First of all there was no connection between benin and ife throughout history oba eweka 11 was the one who coined it with his name eweka


Unless you say am lieing

You can prove it to me that benin had a connection with ife in the past by citing any documents from the European arrival since 1475 till 1897
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:47pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
Oba is undisputed Yoruba from Nigeria to Benin to Togo. The word ba in relation to leadership is ever present. Apart from ojo oba, ojude oba. Long term title like otunba has been present in Yoruba for centuries. Yoruba names with oba attaches to them.


Prove benin-ife connection from using a document written from 1475 to 1914
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:50pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:




You have started adding emotions to your comments soon we will tame you like tao



Amyway too much talk


First of all there was no connection between benin and ife throughout history oba eweka 11 was the one who coined it with his name eweka


Unless you say am lieing

You can prove it to me that benin had a connection with ife in the past by citing any documents from the European arrival since 1475 till 1897


u talk too much. U said there is nothing like oba it’s just an appellation. It’s called omo noba nedo. So why do u call ur king omo noba nedo uku akpolopo then call him oba ewuare or eweka again. What does name like obaseki translates to. And am still waiting for the 30 kings that came from Benin in Yoruba land.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 2:52pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Prove benin-ife connection from using a document written from 1475 to 1914
TAO11:


Prove that your ancestor Ekalderhan exist using any writting from 1500 to 1930

cc: Moneywomen17
TA011 replied u.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 2:56pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
Oba is undisputed Yoruba from Nigeria to Benin to Togo. The word ba in relation to leadership is ever present. Apart from ojo oba, ojude oba. Long term title like otunba has been present in Yoruba for centuries. Yoruba names with oba attaches to them.


Just prove benin-ife connection with a written document from 1475 to1914


See the scrrenshot below this men know the stories were made up

Make una get sense

Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 3:00pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
TA011 replied u.



Ekaladeran never existed it was just a a political stunt to get the oba eweka story passed you see
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:01pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


you are mixing history up.

Ilorin never had an Oba. it's simply an Oyo military Outpost Headed by the generalissimo Aare Afonja.

Alaafin was the supreme king.

the Fulanis took over the kingdom after Aares mutiny.

Emir is a funani titile.

Ilorin never had obas of its own.

If Ilorin never had an Oba, then what was the title of the Yoruba ruler before the fulani conquest of Ilorin? or was Ilorin always Fulani?
The reason Ilorin never had an Oba title is because by the time the Yorubas adopted the Benin Oba title Ilorin was already in control of the fulanis who had introduced the emir title..

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 3:05pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
u talk too much. U said there is nothing like oba it’s just an appellation. It’s called omo noba nedo. So why do u call ur king omo noba nedo uku akpolopo then call him oba ewuare or eweka again. What does name like obaseki translates to. And am still waiting for the 30 kings that came from Benin in Yoruba land.


Oga prove benin-ife connection


The Portuguese mentioned benin owo connections

Benin-igala connections


Benin-akure connect


Benin-, eko connectio

But benin-ife connection wasnt there





Mind you am not reading your writeup i just look if no evidence given i skip all of it and write this
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:08pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
u talk too much. U said there is nothing like oba it’s just an appellation. It’s called omo noba nedo. So why do u call ur king omo noba nedo uku akpolopo then call him oba ewuare or eweka again. What does name like obaseki translates to. And am still waiting for the 30 kings that came from Benin in Yoruba land.

You are confusing yourself..
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 3:10pm On May 10, 2020
davidnazee:


If Ilorin never had an Oba, then what was the title of the Yoruba ruler before the fulani conquest of Ilorin? or was Ilorin always Fulani?
The reason Ilorin never had an Oba title is because by the time the Yorubas adopted the Benin Oba title Ilorin was already in control of the fulanis who had introduced the emir title..
Ilorin never had a king. it was a military Outpost under the leadership of a general, it was part and parcel of the old Oyo empire... read between the lines

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(m): 3:12pm On May 10, 2020
TAO11:


(1) Provide any document from 1500 to 1930 to prove that your ancestor Ekaladerhan really existed.

(2) Provide any document from 1500 to 1930 to prove that Eweka has parents /s.

(3) Provide any document from 1500 to 1930 to prove that Eweka coined the word "Oba" for the Edos after the Yorubas have been using the word for millennia.

You have a prize of $700 to grab if you prove any one of the foregoing.




She-male
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:16pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:

Ilorin never had a king. it was a military Outpost under the leadership of a general, it was part and parcel of the old Oyo empire... read between the lines

As a linguistic, what is the meaning of Ooni and Alafin?
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 3:16pm On May 10, 2020
gregyboy:



Just prove benin-ife connection with a written document from 1475 to1914


See the scrrenshot below this men know the stories were made up

Make una get sense
I love this ur source lol.
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 3:19pm On May 10, 2020
davidnazee:


If Ilorin never had an Oba, then what was the title of the Yoruba ruler before the fulani conquest of Ilorin? or was Ilorin always Fulani?
The reason Ilorin never had an Oba title is because by the time the Yorubas adopted the Benin Oba title Ilorin was already in control of the fulanis who had introduced the emir title..
shut up ilorin doesn’t have oba title. It was a military outpost with no king under oyo empire. Ilorin has an emir but the people still refer to their king as oba cuz that’s yoruba word for king. Did the Yoruba also adopt Otunba title from Benin cuz the word has no meaning regarding leadership in Benin language. Ur word for king is ogie. Itsekiri king is ogiamen (king of the water.) while the title is olu of Warri.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 3:20pm On May 10, 2020
davidnazee:


As a linguistic, what is the meaning of Ooni and Alafin?

it is linguist.

Ooni is short for Oonirisa ( human god or demigod)

Alaafin means owner of the palace.

these are titles for Obas (those who presides) in Ile Ife and Oyo respectively.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:20pm On May 10, 2020
Moneywomen17:
shut up ilorin doesn’t have oba title. It was a military outpost with no king under oyo empire. Ilorin has an emir but the people still refer to their king as oba cuz that’s yoruba word for king.

Yorubas are confused.. you have many words for kings..
Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by illicit(m): 3:23pm On May 10, 2020
davidnazee:

Yorubas are confused.. you have many words for kings..
you are the confused one here.
Oba means king.
Now kings have different titles.
you should understand now

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 3:23pm On May 10, 2020
davidnazee:


Yorubas are confused.. you have many words for kings..
only one word for king which is oba. Just like ur word for king in edo is ogie. Yoruba has otunba title urs is enogie. Just accept the fact oba means nothing In ur language.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by Moneywomen17(m): 3:24pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


you are the confused one here.

Oba means king.

Now kings have different titles.

you should understand now
correct one general word for king which is oba while the rest of the king have different titles. Don’t know what’s confusing about that.

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Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by davidnazee: 3:24pm On May 10, 2020
illicit:


it is linguist.

Ooni is short for Oonirisa ( human god or demigod)

Alaafin means owner of the palace.

these are titles for Obas (those who presides) in Ile Ife and Oyo respectively.

So why weren't Yoruba kings called Oba till recently? the title Oba was adopted by the Yorubas in the 20th century..

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