Macro231101:
Ban Lang is not that difficult, 231 has a lot to do with d Lang Though.... If u understand that of Ahoy (pyrate) U will fully grasp Dat of sealord, they kind of d same OT, Just small differences and means of identity and deck names and pieces. Like if u are a lord and u Want to id your self there are some certain things u must say b4 introducing yourself...

Kingfish542:


these Greenlanders,Icelanders,redskins e.t.c u mentioned are they like different from each other or what, why so many offshoots...... I taught JVC was the junior

ndoeyopbennet:


In Pyrates, they use 3-4-7 as their guiding principles. 3 watchwords, 4 compass points, 7 rudderblades. I believe the equivalent of this is the 231 of BAN. I also know the code runs through BAN language but I thought the numbers may mean something more personal to the BAN member.

In any case, I'm also aware that, like PC, BAN decks are named after Islands (especially those in the Caribbean archipelago).

One major difference in naming pattern between PC and BAN is in the syllabic structure (where five vowel sounds are used). Do you guys have any clear reasons for that or it just happened like that from the onset?

Sinistami:


I don't really know much about the Red skins but I do know about the Green landers and Icelanders. Both are offshoots of the vikings. The JVC or De well was formed as a result of the SVC trying to rival the Debam nowadays known as the Bobos who were actually another splinter group from the Klansmen of Unical as a street and creek wing of their university counterparts, the KKK or Klans men of calabar. These groups wanted to get their own piece of the oil money through bunkeries, kidnapping of foreign oil workers etc. But the JVC or Dewell formed by the SVC couldn't match up with the Debam so the SVC partnered with Ateke Tom's NDV militants to form the Icelanders or Germans (Jahmans). The Icelanders outnumbered the Debam (Bobos) 3 to 1 ans did a lot of damage. This period was bloody in the Delta (Bayelsa, Rivera state).

The Icelanders still control a lot of places in PH with the Debam rivaling them as well as the outlaws and the Red skin, there was even a group called the Elegem face but there are no more Sha. The Greenlanders are said to have split from the Icelanders at the year 2013 but I don't believe that, I've been hearing of them since 2003 anyway the Icelanders, Greenlanders, Debam and Vikings are the four major groups wrecking havoc in Bayelsa although Bayelsa is said to be majorly controlled by the Greenlanders. The Icelanders are said to have formed their own splinter groups mainly the Klaint force, Black city, Glemment Boys, Glemment Girls etc. New groups are sprinting up as time goes and all of them are practicing vikings culture eg the Chineke boys of Down Yenagoa. In the south there's a thin line between street slang and Viking OT. And people mix both a lot and its seen as OK.

Macro231101:
there is a clear reason though..... But I cant help u again sorry...

Macro231101:
there is a clear reason though..... But I cant help u again sorry...

hustla:



You will not be missed

StrongandMighty:

Personally I'm enjoying the research, it's more enlightening..
It's exposing a lot of things which ordinarily you won't know if you're not a member of any cult....
The researcher is doing a great job by making his findings public for all to see, it's not easy to carry out a research of this type..

mmrinn:


All these plenty cults for just inside Bayelsa and Port Harcourt? . No wonder the crime rate there is high.

Chris525:

Most of the mentioned are basically gangs. Much like the 1million boys in Lagos using SVC lingua.

mmrinn:


All these plenty cults for just inside Bayelsa and Port Harcourt? . No wonder the crime rate there is high.

Sinistami:



The Icelanders still control a lot of places in PH with the Debam rivaling them as well as the outlaws and the Red skin, there was even a group called the Elegem face but there are no more Sha. The Greenlanders are said to have split from the Icelanders at the year 2013 but I don't believe that, I've been hearing of them since 2003 anyway the Icelanders, Greenlanders, Debam and Vikings are the four major groups wrecking havoc in Bayelsa although Bayelsa is said to be majorly controlled by the Greenlanders. The Icelanders are said to have formed their own splinter groups mainly the Klaint force, Black city, Glemment Boys, Glemment Girls etc. New groups are sprinting up as time goes and all of them are practicing vikings culture eg the Chineke boys of Down Yenagoa. In the south there's a thin line between street slang and Viking OT. And people mix both a lot and its seen as OK.

See names of cult groups like 'Federal and State Universities.

Nigeria tì cast.

WIZGUY69:



See names of cult groups like 'Federal and State Universities.

Nigeria tì cast.

Chris525:

Most of the mentioned are basically gangs. Much like the 1million boys in Lagos using SVC lingua.

mmrinn:


Oga, before you leave. Please tell us the meaning of your 231101. It seems you and that researcher are in your own world. I could barely make sense of wetin una dey yan.

MeinKampf:
It seems you can't be a cultist and be an atheist at the same time, the two seems impossible

Kingfish542:


why do u say so

ndoeyopbennet:


Thank you for agreeing to answer a few of my questions. Like I said before, my aim in this has to do with how language is used to reinforce cult culture and that is what I'm mostly concerned with. I won't ask you questions pertaining to your initiation rites, cult rituals or violent encounters. I believe I know those already. I have more than 50 BAN documents in my possession and these documents do explain many things. However, you are right in your submission that speaking with a current member may be useful in making more sense of the information at my disposal.

When I was designing the method for my research, I had to use a mixture of non-participant observation, content analysis and interviews. For the non-participant observation, it was clear that I wouldn't be allowed to witness certain aspects of the cults' activities. Apart from that, I am working with up to 5 cult groups and I can't possibly have observatory leeway into all. I had to use the online medium. I became a member of virtual groups and website forums and I've been doing my participant observation virtually (for ethical reasons, I had to seek consent in some cases).

With regard to the content analysis, I have many documents, including the official handbook of many of the groups. I also have poems, essays, songs and other exchanges that can be analysed. I've interviewed some persons (they are very secretive). I've not made real progress with my interviewees so far. However, other things have covered for this.


I'm giving you this background so that you can rest assured that I do not have any ulterior motive other than my research. One of the major challenges I've had with BAN (unlike other groups) is that members seem too committed to it and therefore, are unwilling to share important insights on how language is exclusively used to create a true sense of belonging. If you are willing to answer my questions, that'll be great. I've asked some before (to Macro231101) and you can still help me answer those ones. However, more specifically, I want to know how much value your group gives to your cult language? Have you ever encountered situations where non-initiates learnt the language and impersonated? What happened to them? Would you say the group places more value on personal identification (via decknames) or on the "capping" abilities of the member?

If you're not comfortable answering these questions publicly, you can send me a pm (although I'd very much like if you answer them here as others can learn too). If you have to say something sensitive, you can use your "13:13" lingo. I'm able to read it well enough.

Happydude291:


I think that kingazubuike is a cultist. I once read his confession here

Saltzman00:
okay..I’ll start by saying this ,firstly I never belonged to a cult but a fraternity and yes true buccaneers are known for their ability to catch people’s attention just with their capping (speech)he’ll never shy away from a quiz or open speech contest cos that’s one of the major things you’re taught as soon as u become a buccaneer....”let your capping deliver you”...FYI it’s used to be a thing of pride when u hear ur fellow buccaneer capping even in the midst of pyrates you would differentiate them quickly in an much as the terms are almost the same there’s just that uniqueness attached to it which makes it different...I wish i could spill it out here for u to read and understand why i said bolaji Carew wasn’t just a man with a normal above the belt iq...but painfully that would be me crossing the line...and about impersonations I’ve experienced a couple ...well this one hasn’t left my head cos it was so funny 2009 my younger cousin was getting married immediately after the engagement in the morning I stepped out to receive a phone call and then I over heard this guy capping on the phone with someone else who also happened to be a non member ...according the the first guy after he knew he’s been caught ..(my younger cousins husband was a sea lurd too back then ,the funny thing is he saw me and noticed the way I stared at him only for him to walk up to me and the next thing he uttered was “are u a nyben” I quickly played along and said yes he then went ahead and tried identifying himself which he did well even claimed to have been salted(left the higher institutions) a year back...[b]buh because as a Nigerian you can’t speak queens English more than a guy from London [/b]I knew he wasn’t a sea lurd and then i asked the overall question which a true sea lurd should know and he just kept staring at me ...my brother even as much as I made sure nothing happened that day cos of my cousins weeding and with my office as a buccaneer then I can still tell you what that guy passed through that day wasn’t anywhere near nice... there were so about 5 or 6 other buccaneers present on that day ..so you see what I’m trying to point out here is that truly in Ban there can never be too much of everything...ur deck name matters so as ur capping abilities but all of that isn’t something a non member can EVER learn ...that’s just the simple truth...

inspirator1:
Lets just be careful with all these BAN sphinx brouhaha. When acclaimed intellectuals wants to sell an ideology to you or star ruby a fellow, they take you on subtle route via discussion cum research. Those research chats up there is subtly promoting BAN and derailing this thread. If they acclaimed XY Lords, still holds back some information to demystify this group; of what importance of the above discourse, if not an astute avenue to promote BAN?

IMOHS:
I have never commented on this thread before but I will today. I was a victim of cult shooting in the university,that was 2002/2003 in the university of uyo. I was never a cultist ,but lived with my relatives who were cultist,they were actually klansmen. War broke out between the Vikings and the klansmen on the day of matriculation. The klansmen I lived with all left the house. We were now three guys left in the house, myself (a ju man), Jacob(a electrical/electronics student from futo who just finished defending his project n came to stay with us ,since we were all childhood friends,also a ju) ,and his brother (a graduate from unical,but a BAN boy).
Behold,the next day, after we heard about the issue in school the previous day, this Vikings guys came to our house around 7/8pm , numbering about 15 or more n accosted all three of us. We were made to sit on the ground n someone used a Torchlight to point at our faces n asked 'NA DEM BE THIS?', and behold someone answered 'NA DEM', d guy asked a second time,'NA DRM BE THIS?' n d guy answered again,'NA DEM'. Omoh!,dats how it started o! This guy's now started beating us, marching us with boots, before I knew wat was happening,I saw one guy cocking a gun n pointing at me, before I knew wat was happening,dis guy had shot me in the face. That when we all realized that shit had hit d fan.
Dats wen I started shouting dat I had been shot, the other two guys now reacted n started fighting back,so attention was on dem, one voice inside me den told me to make a run for it or I ll die. So I stood up and made a run for the gate,since it was a fenced compound,I successfully made it to the gate,when I got outside ,I saw a number of Vikings boys outside, one of dem made a move to come grab me,but as it turned out,he happened to be my coursemate,n he was surprised to see me cos he never expected seeing me der cos he never tot I was a cultist. So he held back n dat gave me the opportunity to escape.
But Jacob didn't make it,he was killed dat night (may he farewell wherever he is). His brother the BAN guy also escaped with matchet cuts. I was shot with an awka made, I guess dats y am still alive today.
So cultism stinks,n dats my story.
#SAYNOTOCULTISM#

Saltzman00:
okay..I’ll start by saying this ,firstly I never belonged to a cult but a fraternity and yes true buccaneers are known for their ability to catch people’s attention just with their capping (speech)he’ll never shy away from a quiz or open speech contest cos that’s one of the major things you’re taught as soon as u become a buccaneer....”let your capping deliver you”...FYI it’s used to be a thing of pride when u hear ur fellow buccaneer capping even in the midst of pyrates you would differentiate them quickly in an much as the terms are almost the same there’s just that uniqueness attached to it which makes it different...I wish i could spill it out here for u to read and understand why i said bolaji Carew wasn’t just a man with a normal above the belt iq...but painfully that would be me crossing the line...and about impersonations I’ve experienced a couple ...well this one hasn’t left my head cos it was so funny 2009 my younger cousin was getting married immediately after the engagement in the morning I stepped out to receive a phone call and then I over heard this guy capping on the phone with someone else who also happened to be a non member ...according the the first guy after he knew he’s been caught ..(my younger cousins husband was a sea lurd too back then ,the funny thing is he saw me and noticed the way I stared at him only for him to walk up to me and the next thing he uttered was “are u a nyben” I quickly played along and said yes he then went ahead and tried identifying himself which he did well even claimed to have been salted(left the higher institutions) a year back...buh because as a Nigerian you can’t speak queens English more than a guy from London I knew he wasn’t a sea lurd and then i asked the overall question which a true sea lurd should know and he just kept staring at me ...my brother even as much as I made sure nothing happened that day cos of my cousins weeding and with my office as a buccaneer then I can still tell you what that guy passed through that day wasn’t anywhere near nice... there were so about 5 or 6 other buccaneers present on that day ..so you see what I’m trying to point out here is that truly in Ban there can never be too much of everything...ur deck name matters so as ur capping abilities but all of that isn’t something a non member can EVER learn ...that’s just the simple truth...

inspirator1:
Lets just be careful with all these BAN sphinx brouhaha. When acclaimed intellectuals wants to sell an ideology to you or star ruby a fellow, they take you on subtle route via discussion cum research. Those research chats up there is subtly promoting BAN and derailing this thread. If they acclaimed XY Lords, still holds back some information to demystify this group; of what importance of the above discourse, if not an astute avenue to promote BAN?

Passionate888:
I don't know about BY, but there are no gangs in PH, only cult groups