Dannyfan:
Sure... It's never a crime to share your believe. I am waiting.

Thanks for the privilege given!
God's holy spirit is the active force that's put to use to accomplish all his purposes.
God gave humans body parts to fulfill certain responsibilities, but spirits weren't created like us they're more like him, unlike humans that needs body parts to do things spirits moves and do things without hindrance.
The holy spirit mean the instrument God uses to accomplish his own purposes, the word "holy" indicates that this force is pure and clean so it doesn't work with people who are crooked or evil.
God send out his active force (spirit) to assist his loyal ones amongst humans to fulfill his purposes, show them things that ordinary eyes can't see, tell them things that ordinary hears can't hear and other things. But God's holy spirit is not for any personal use, it's strictly given to help his loyal servants accomplish their Godly duties that's beyond their abilities. That's why God's only begotten son (Jesus) refuses to make use of this power for any personal use! Matthew 4:3-7
Before Jesus God has forewarned his people that he will release this power during the time Christ comes and many of his servants will make use of it to his glory {Joel 2:28} Jesus' followers began preaching and teaching at his order and God's holy spirit will act whenever the call upon Jesus' name to heal people, but they're still having doubts in their minds as to the real identity of this wonderful friend and leader of theirs so at times God's holy spirit that doesn't work with crooked minds will not obey them! Matthew 7:14-20
After Jesus has accomplished his earthly assignment and returned to heaven to present his earthly sacrifice before God's throne, God released his holy spirit on all those who believe in Jesus, so they began speaking in tongues, seeing visions and prophesying just as Joel 2:28 said! Act 2:16-18
But their is something totally different that most Jesus' first century followers don't understand!
To be continued...

Jerusalem supposed to be the seat of the appointed King that will rule the earth for 1,000 years to lead humans to perfection! Psalms 110:1-2; Isaiah 2:3
The Israelites often irritates God's holy spirit and God keep forgiving them based on the promises he made to their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
At last the failed to welcome the promised one who will rule the earth right from their city Jerusalem {John 1:11-12} so they treated him badly just as they treated God's loyal servants prior to him {Luke 11:47-51} that is why Jesus declared to them that Jerusalem is no more worthy of being the seat of God's appointed heavenly king {Matthew 23:37-38} when Jesus' followers heard him say this they became terrified because all their hopes is that since they've his closest confidants, he will make them part of his corulers when he begin his government! Matthew 20:20-23
Of course God won't select any of his servants before Jesus to rule with Christ since they've not received the leadership training Jesus must give those that will rule with him! Matthew 11:11 compare to Matthew 5:38-48, 23:11
Now that his followers have heard from his mouth that their beloved city is no more worthy of such glory they were devastated, that's why Jesus made a promise to them that they shouldn't worry because he is going back to where he came from and when he gets there, he will prepare another government seat that's better than what they expected here in the earthly Jerusalem, moreover he will come back and take them home to himself because it's where the king stays that his corulers must stay with him! John 14:1-4

This arrangement led to a change in the setting! Because on earth those who will rule must be anointed like other kings, so Jesus' followers who will rule with him will be taken to a place where humans can't go so they need to be transformed into spirits beings! That's why Jesus made it clear that those going to heaven with him will become like angels, they won't need to get married in heaven or have children like we do here on earth! Luke 20:34-36

So after normal baptism of all Christians, God (not Jesus) will pick out of the Christians who are worthy of this privilege to rule with Jesus in heaven {Matthew 20:20-23} that's where the baptism of God's holy spirit comes in, just as Jesus was baptized with God's holy spirit as a sign of his anointing as the chosen King! Matthew 3:16-16
To be continued...

Those who will rule with Jesus must also become baptized by the same spirit as a sign that they've been chosen to rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom.
Most of the first century Christians don't understand this!
The night before Jesus' execution, he established a covenant with his 11 faithful followers and told them "take this bread and wine, eat and drink with me, it's the covenant between me and you that you will be with me in my kingdom" {Luke 22:19} after his ascension to Heaven, those who have been baptized by God's holy spirit continue eating and drinking this emblem annually at exactly the date and time Jesus made that covenant with them, since this is not done in secret, many Christians who are seeing this Born Again Christians doing it though all of them can also join in eating and drinking of the emblem, so many of them were falling sick and some died.
Quickly God's holy spirit inspired Paul to correct them that it's God's holy spirit that's killing them because they're performing what belongs to just a chosen few! 1Corinthians 11:27-30

So it's all faithful Christians that will receive God's holy spirit which enables us to preach and teach effectively and incessantly but not all of us will be baptized with God's holy spirit.

God bless you!

hoopernikao:
Read Rom 1-3 well. There is nothing as faith and another faith. Same faith from old to new. That is exactly what he is saying. No difference. Infact it is saying the opposite of what you are saying.It will simply translate that the faith preached in OT is same. Nothing different. Faith in Christ. Check all verses that reference Hab 2:4. They all mean the same. Same faith in from Genesis to Revelation. Same gospel to Adam to us. God's word didn't change according to faith.

Hi hooper. Eerrhn... you'll need to slow down hooper. If you don't take off your lens, you'll read some other meaning into my text as well as the scriptures. This is what I said, remember?

It's not two faiths but it's the degrees through which we come into the fullness of one faith. So also it's the degrees in which we come into the fullness of the baptism.

So the righteous will live from faith. But notice, in the gospel(as in NT), the righteousness of God will be revealed from faith to faith(Rom1:17). Meaning not all at once in the instant of initial faith.
Hence faith was only started at the receiving of the gospel but must still be finished to its consummation or final degree.(Heb12:2, 1Pet1:9)

But as I said baptism is what I want to focus on here else we will change the whole topic. So, I want you to state for me the different baptisms require of believers.

Degrees of baptism, not kinds. Like Ezek47. Actually if you baptism always goes together with faith. Each degree of baptism translates us to another degree of faith.
Note that it is one baptism into oneness with Divinity, to become the body of one Lord through the agency of one Spirit. So at every degree, the one Spirit is the agent of the baptism but His composite nature is revealed one layer at a time.
I have already expounded on the second degree in my first post here- the baptism/infilling of the Holy Spirit and shown from scriptures, irrefutably, that they are the same thing.
I will go on to expound on the first degree using scriptures and then point you to the next degree after the infilling only touching lightly on it here because this is a public forum and it is even needless for this thread. There is in fact a final degree even after this preached throughout scripture but that will as well be unnecessary and unsuitable here. So I'll be on to just the first degree and a little into the third.

As per your question. Surely Jesus is our example.

Yeah. But actually, what I mean is that He is not just our example as in to imitate or emulate but more than that. He is our syllabus and pattern for every believer, our very doctrine. Meaning we must go through every single step/phase of His life if we would complete our course on earth (1Pet2:21, Php2:5-12), yeah?


I still need you to acknowledge this because it will leave you with a need for an explanation of the pluralism in Heb6:4

Hence you must acknowledge that Eph4:6 doesn't take away from Heb6:4 before we proceed. You can also see this degrees of baptism in Ezk47.

Finallydead:

Hi hooper. Eerrhn... you'll need to slow down hooper. If you don't take off your lens, you'll read some other meaning into my text as well as the scriptures. This is what I said, remember?

So the righteous will live from faith. But notice, in the gospel(as in NT), the righteousness of God will be revealed from faith to faith(Rom1:17). Meaning not all at once in the instant of initial faith.
Hence faith was only started at the receiving of the gospel but must still be finished to its consummation or final degree.(Heb12:2, 1Pet1:9)

Degrees of baptism, not kinds. Like Ezek47. Actually if you baptism always goes together with faith. Each degree of baptism translates us to another degree of faith.
Note that it is one baptism into oneness with Divinity, to become the body of one Lord through the agency of one Spirit. So at every degree, the one Spirit is the agent of the baptism but His composite nature is revealed one layer at a time.
I have already expounded on the second degree in my first post here- the baptism/infilling of the Holy Spirit and shown from scriptures, irrefutably, that they are the same thing.
I will go on to expound on the first degree using scriptures and then point you to the next degree after the infilling only touching lightly on it here because this is a public forum and it is even needless for this thread. There is in fact a final degree even after this preached throughout scripture but that will as well be unnecessary and unsuitable here. So I'll be on to just the first degree and a little into the third.

Yeah. But actually, what I mean is that He is not just our example as in to imitate or emulate but more than that. He is our syllabus and pattern for every believer, our very doctrine. Meaning we must go through every single step/phase of His life if we would complete our course on earth (1Pet2:21, Php2:5-12), yeah?

I still need you to acknowledge this because it will leave you with a need for an explanation of the pluralism in Heb6:4

You must know how to read Paul and understand his usage of words.

But my issue here is that you are mixing lots of issues together. You may need to seperate discussion by issues. And that is the one reason I said discussing the explanation of faith to faith here will derail the purpose of tread. I don't want to.

I know opportunity will arise again for this, pending that, study more on your position on this and also try to put side by side how Paul used such type of phrase in 2 Corinthians 2:16

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

It is Paul's play of words so you will need to put that in view for full discussion when the time comes.

Now on baptism.

You aren't stating clearly what you implies. If there are several levels or degrees as you said of baptism, state them clearly to me here. Who taught it, how is it being taught, who practiced it bearing in my the exact meaning of the word BAPTISM. This is the first thing you need to defend. So kindly state clearly when you refer to baptism the type you are refering to. Is it baptism of the holyghost? Water or what? State them clearly.

hoopernikao:


You must know how to read Paul and understand his usage of words.

But my issue here is that you are mixing lots of issues together. You may need to seperate discussion by issues. And that is the one reason I said discussing the explanation of faith to faith here will derail the purpose of tread. I don't want to.

I know opportunity will arise again for this, pending that, study more on your position on this and also try to put side by side how Paul used such type of phrase in 2 Corinthians 2:16

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

It is Paul's play of words so you will need to put that in view for full discussion when the time comes.

Now on baptism.

You aren't stating clearly what you implies. If there are several levels or degrees as you said of baptism, state them clearly to me here. Who taught it, how is it being taught, who practiced it bearing in my the exact meaning of the word BAPTISM. This is the first thing you need to defend. So kindly state clearly when you refer to baptism the type you are refering to. Is it baptism of the holyghost? Water or what? State them clearly.

Wonderful. You've brought an important point. Please note that Paul's usage here of life and death points to degrees. The Lord Himself speaks of these (Jn10:10, Mt13:12). "Life" and the "superabundant life"


Back to baptism. Because you will teach believers, it's important to set these out straight. I've seen believers who were unwilling to receive the power/infilling of the Holy Spirit and explore the next provision of faith because they were convinced they already had the Holy Spirit in them, which they were right about. Teaching these will help such.

Now let's take a look into this.

Acts 2:38
Peter asks them to be baptized in the first degree of baptism, into the name of the Lord Jesus Christ first before the gift of the Holy Spirit upon him will be received.

What is the purpose of this baptism?
He says it's to the remission of sin.

This is the first degree of baptism every believer automatically receives at initial faith. Here, the Holy Spirit enters the spirit of the believer and makes him surrender to the Lordship (government) of Jesus Christ changing the heart orientation of the believer toward the Lord and effecting the absolution of sin. He is immersed into the government of light translated from the government of darkness and at any point in the believer's life, his spiritual environment is the light. This spiritual baptism is connoted by a physical water baptism and the physical baptism is ineffective unless the spiritual also takes place.(Acts22:16, Rom6:3)

The apostles received this from the Lord in Jn20:22 which was basically their first meeting after His resurrection and about 40+ days later received the next degree-the infilling of the Holy Spirit, having prayed for days.

It's unfortunate the KJV rendition and most others confer this remission of sins on the apostles (v23), whom we know never have such authority, when it was really directed at the Spirit Himself who was received into the apostles.

We also see that this is our first immersion by the Spirit by which also we lay claim to resurrection from the dead which is the first step of union with Divinity every believer obtains.
Notice also that it was after His resurrection but before His ascension which leads to the next degree.

Paul received this in His encounter with the Lord and after 3 days of praying, also received the next degree through Ananias ministration.

The Samaritans also received this first at their conversion to the Lord by the gospel and were water baptised as well before the apostles ministered the next degree days later(Acts8:16).

Please understand though that these first two degrees being distinct, often received distinctly and affording distinct privileges(the first to resurrection and the second to power through His ascension/exaltation over all things) can actually also be received near simultaneously.

In summary, this first degree affords us hope of resurrection(hence came upon the Lord's resurrection from the dead and before His ascension) and remission of sins (Rom6:1-4, 1Cor15:29), effected in our reception of the gospel and is connoted in a physical water baptism but it does not afford us the power to see the gifts of the Holy Ghost operating in our daily lives which come with the second degree (in His ascension), hence the reason many believers lack power for the gifts and do not even believe in tongues.

Ideally, we can easily see the degrees in the Lord Jesus's pattern. He needing no remission of sin, only partook in the physical aspect of water baptism to establish a pattern for us "fulfilling all righteousness" (Mt3:15).
We see that, having fulfilled that, He was as well baptized with the Spirit receiving the infilling and the power that goes with it.(Mt3:16, Lk4:1,14, Acts10:38).

I have explained the second degree in my first post and shown irrefutably that the baptism of the Spirit is the infilling.

Now here, I touch on the third degree. The Lord having fulfilled the first two degrees, speaks of another degree to follow(Lk12:50) and it is also specifically named in other places but I will not want to draw attention to it here because of the gravity of it and how it can be misconstrued. However I only point out that scripture for you to see the next degree in the Pattern. I will say you seek the Spirit which I know you have and He will reveal it to you.
There is even a degree after this like I said before.