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gregyboy:
And you didnt post thier aftermath screenshot and ogbemudia took back edo state and drove the Flattino soldiers.....


If we the weaponries to defend ourselves, we will conquer the full south east without sweat


Abi you think say we be yoruba

Mugu

Mouth... Conquer gelegele first be lfore we can take you serious with your two LGA which is Egor and Oredo


LoL

RedboneSmith:
Aya Idu na Oba was fought by Anioma communities in Delta State. Agbor, Ubulu-Uku, the Umuezechime clans in Aniocha, Ibusa, etc. No Southeast community fought any Aya Idu na Oba. If you claim otherwise mention one SE town that fought any such war and back it up with references.

A Facebook post from an obscure unknown person ranting incoherently about Annunaki and Sumer and Atlantis is not a reference, sir. I can go on my Facebook wall this minute and type that my village warriors in Illah flew on tortoises to Mexico to help Emperor Montezuma fight the Spanish, and someone will share the link as evidence that it happened. Give me a proper reference from a reliable source. A link that mentions specific towns in the Southeast that went to war with Benin. This thing is not a reference.

Please can you provide evidence that Aya idu na oba was fought by the western Igbos and not the easterners.

It’s not only a Facebook post.. there are many articles about the story.

Shiver99:
Nope, that never happened.
He was simply reciting the poor and crude knowledge of Africa that was prevalent in Europe then. From the perspective of Europeans then, the kingdom of Benin stretched all the way from western Nigeria to east Africa, neighbouring modern day Ethiopia. This was because these were the few Africans they had actually met.

Think of it this way, in the minds of Nigerians every Asian with slitted eyes and white skin is Chinese. Except this comes from generalisation and not just pure Ignorance like the Europeans . Asians reading historical Nigerian literature, if they didn't know their history, would assume every oriental Asian i.e Cambodian, Laotian, Vietnamese, Kazakhstan, were part of a secret ancient Chinese empire.

Olaudah made sure to clarify after saying that his town was under benin ; that he nor anybody he knew had ever heard of the benin empire in their lives.

Please provide evidence of this clarification by Olaudah.. if you can’t then Olaudah is right that Benin Kingdom ruled over southeast Igbos too.

davidnazee:
Please can you provide evidence that Aya idu na oba was fought by the western Igbos and not the easterners.

It’s not only a Facebook post.. there are many articles about the story.

You're the one saying the southeast fought Aya Idu. Therefore the onus is on you to prove it., not me. 'There are many articles'. Bring them.

AmuDimpka:
Mouth... Conquer gelegele first be lfore we can take you serious with your two LGA which is Egor and Oredo


LoL

Gelegele has already been ocvupied by benins and the ijsw chiefs has been released after he begged

davidnazee:
It’s in recorded history bro, if you research you will find.
The first educated Igbo man, Olaudah Equiano born 1725, wrote in his book about his birth place in present day Anambra state and said they were ruled by the Benin Kingdom and subjects to the Oba of Benin.

Davidnaze, gregyboy

These people say things that confirmed Olaudah's Igboness are correct, but when it comes to those that show Benin sovereignty over Igbo land, they say he was too young to know correctly.

But something interesting came up I think at number 4. It shows what we have always said that just 200 years ago, a single Igbo identity didn't exist. Same in Yorubaland.

Whereas by 1470s, Europeans were already writing about Benin Empire, its powerful king and his dominance over huge parts over that area of West Africa. People can try to hide the truth, but truth is like pregnancy, you cannot hide it forever.

They Yorubas claim that a Benin man told Europeans that there was one powerful "Organe" inland. They believe that story, but not others written by Europeans. So why did the European not go to seek out the so called more powerful "Organe"?

Organe, if such even existed, may well have been a shrine or priest somewhere inside Benin Empire, who knows?

Fact is in what is now Southern Nigeria, there were only small tribal chiefdoms. Both in Igbo & Yorubaland. Only Oyo later captured some other Yoruba chiefdoms. About 240 years after Benin grew as an empire in 1440 AD.

AreaFada2:
Davidnaze, gregyboy

These people say things the confirmed Olaudah's Igboness are correct, but when it comes to those that show Benin sovereignty over Igbo land, they say he was too young to know correctly.

But something interesting came up I think at number 4. It shows what we have always said that just 200 years ago, a single Igbo identity didn't exist. Same in Yorubaland. Whereas by 1470s, Europeans were already writing about Benin Empire, its powerful king and his dominance over huge parts over that part of West Africa. People can try to hide the truth, but truth is like pregnancy, you cannot hide it forever.

They Yorubas claim that a Benin man told Europeans that there was one powerful "Organe" inland. The believe that story, but not other written by Europeans. Why did the European not go to seek the socalled more powerful "Organe"?

Fact is in what is now Southern Nigeria, there were only small tribal chiefdoms. Both in Igbo & Yorubaland. Only Oyo later captured some other Yoruba chiefdoms. About 240 after Benin grew as an empire in 1440 AD.

Nor mind dem, naso one igbo osagyefo98 Said his aim is to denial benin and anioma people any from of historical connections inorder to make perfect Biafra country

gregyboy:
Nor mind dem, naso one igbo osagyefo98 Said his aim is to denial benin and anioma people any from of historical connections inorder to make perfect Biafra country

Which is a fact.

There is no need encouraging what is not existing and as such should be rooted out.

Those encouraging or agree to such myth or stories do so out of Ignorance.

Their history starts and ends in Igboland.

AreaFada2:
Davidnaze, gregyboy

These people say things the confirmed Olaudah's Igboness are correct, but when it comes to those that show Benin sovereignty over Igbo land, they say he was too young to know correctly.

But something interesting came up I think at number 4. It shows what we have always said that just 200 years ago, a single Igbo identity didn't exist. Same in Yorubaland. Whereas by 1470s, Europeans were already writing about Benin Empire, its powerful king and his dominance over huge parts over that part of West Africa. People can try to hide the truth, but truth is like pregnancy, you cannot hide it forever.

They Yorubas claim that a Benin man told Europeans that there was one powerful "Organe" inland. The believe that story, but not other written by Europeans. Why did the European not go to seek the socalled more powerful "Organe"?

Fact is in what is now Southern Nigeria, there were only small tribal chiefdoms. Both in Igbo & Yorubaland. Only Oyo later captured some other Yoruba chiefdoms. About 240 after Benin grew as an empire in 1440 AD.

Igbos are Republican in nature and not aggressor looking for who to lord over or rule. They maintain their space without inch of it moving...


So the history of bini-igbo doesn't match at all and as such....such tales must be discouraged.


On the other hands Bini-Yoruba narratives, the money you try to break it, the more it tangles together. Both are same coin with same history and historical connection. If Someone can answer Tunde, Olusegun, Abidemi etc in Bini then it shows clearly how far the two are inter-twined.

davidnazee:
Mugu I guess China was afraid or weak that’s why they built a wall..
indigenous people of Agbor are not Igbo. Go and ask their Obi.. he is the ruler of Agbor.

Your Biafra ends on the eastern side of river Niger.

Lol

Are you sure, you aren't into land grabbing business?

We have yorubas on open arms waiting for their brothers(Edo) to come back and here u are looking the other way to grab land.

Be guided.

gregyboy:
Lol, when an inyamiris is pained slander becomes is tool


We were all here on nairaland when fellow nlanders were crying on behalf of ijaw, and we heard all forms bullshit talks from ijaw and how they will rain cat and dog on edo people, if dem do anyhow.....
Thier king ended up jailed thesame nalander cried on thier behalf too


See igbo man, we aint yorubas you tell shit, if una do anyhow una go see anyhow anofia.....

Mumu igboman

Mugu wen you be

Why cursing him?

He is only protecting his territory from external aggression.

The funny thing here is that I even come from the so-called Western Igbo, where Benin's power was evident, and I am not denying the evidence of that power there. So when I say it did not reach the southeast that does not stem from any ethnocentric desire to deny Benin imperial might. It stems from the fact that the evidence for that might in the east is... NIL. We know the stories of Benin adventure in Akure, Owo, Lagos, Agbor, Ubulu-Uku. We know the names of the war generals and princes involved in the campaigns there. Where are the Benin-East stories? Who were the generals? Who were the princes? Conveniently forgotten? Or never happened? A 'historical reality' that only one writer, who said Benin and Ethiopia were neighbours, recorded?

While we are on the subject of Equiano sef, let it be remembered that some historians still make the case that his homeland was in Anioma. So, there. And at least one historian has argued that he was born in South Carolina.

A book can be excellent in some regard and still be inaccurate in other regards. In fact, this is true of all great books, and Equiano's book is no exception. Herodotus is the Father of History and his book is still widely praised by the same historians who will still tell you that some of what he wrote was hearsay or widely exaggerated.

Osagyefo98:
Why cursing him?

He is only protecting his territory from external aggression.

I didn't curse him because he was protecting is territory, i insulted him because he lied on the various point he gave

gregyboy:
Gelegele has already been ocvupied by benins and the ijsw chiefs has been released after he begged

Go and Chase Ijaw away ... They would descend on you ...

gregyboy:
Gelegele has already been ocvupied by benins and the ijsw chiefs has been released after he begged

Blablabla

gregyboy:
Gelegele has already been ocvupied by benins and the ijsw chiefs has been released after he begged

Choi

gregyboy:
Gelegele has already been ocvupied by benins and the ijsw chiefs has been released after he begged

Chai

AmuDimpka:
Go and Chase Ijaw away ... They would descend on you ...

He concern you,

Go drive fulani herdsmen from the yeast

gregyboy:
He concern you,

Go drive fulani herdsmen from the yeast

Where again if I might ask? Tell me the name of the place....

RedboneSmith:
The funny thing here is that I even come from the so-called Western Igbo, where Benin's power was evident, and I am not denying the evidence of that power there. So when I say it did not reach the southeast that does not stem from any ethnocentric desire to deny Benin imperial might. It stems from the fact that the evidence for that might in the east is... NIL. We know the stories of Benin adventure in Akure, Owo, Lagos, Agbor, Ubulu-Uku. We know the names of the war generals and princes involved in the campaigns there. Where are the Benin-East stories? Who were the generals? Who were the princes? Conveniently forgotten? Or never happened? A 'historical reality' that only one writer, who said Benin and Ethiopia were neighbours, recorded?

While we are on the subject of Equiano sef, let it be remembered that some historians still make the case that his homeland was in Anioma. So, there. And at least one historian has argued that he was born in South Carolina.

A book can be excellent in some regard and still be inaccurate in other regards. In fact, this is true of all great books, and Equiano's book is no exception. Herodotus is the Father of History and his book is still widely praised by the same historians who will still tell you that some of what he wrote was hearsay or widely exaggerated.

Bro if you are 100% Igbo then your ancestors are not indigenous to delta state but rather migrants who came across the Niger from the east. North delta is not originally Igbo land.

RedboneSmith:
The funny thing here is that I even come from the so-called Western Igbo, where Benin's power was evident, and I am not denying the evidence of that power there. So when I say it did not reach the southeast that does not stem from any ethnocentric desire to deny Benin imperial might. It stems from the fact that the evidence for that might in the east is... NIL. We know the stories of Benin adventure in Akure, Owo, Lagos, Agbor, Ubulu-Uku. We know the names of the war generals and princes involved in the campaigns there. Where are the Benin-East stories? Who were the generals? Who were the princes? Conveniently forgotten? Or never happened? A 'historical reality' that only one writer, who said Benin and Ethiopia were neighbours, recorded?

While we are on the subject of Equiano sef, let it be remembered that some historians still make the case that his homeland was in Anioma. So, there. And at least one historian has argued that he was born in South Carolina.

A book can be excellent in some regard and still be inaccurate in other regards. In fact, this is true of all great books, and Equiano's book is no exception. Herodotus is the Father of History and his book is still widely praised by the same historians who will still tell you that some of what he wrote was hearsay or widely exaggerated.

Bro is it because Olaudah wrote that Benin Kingdom once ruled eastern Igbos you are calling his book false?
I think you Igbos should rather be happy because his book is evidence that Igbos existed in 16th century.. because there’s no other mention of Igbos in history prior to the end of the 19th century.. even Igbos can’t recount their history beyond 19th century.

AreaFada2:
Davidnaze, gregyboy

These people say things the confirmed Olaudah's Igboness are correct, but when it comes to those that show Benin sovereignty over Igbo land, they say he was too young to know correctly.

But something interesting came up I think at number 4. It shows what we have always said that just 200 years ago, a single Igbo identity didn't exist. Same in Yorubaland. Whereas by 1470s, Europeans were already writing about Benin Empire, its powerful king and his dominance over huge parts over that part of West Africa. People can try to hide the truth, but truth is like pregnancy, you cannot hide it forever.

They Yorubas claim that a Benin man told Europeans that there was one powerful "Organe" inland. The believe that story, but not other written by Europeans. Why did the European not go to seek the socalled more powerful "Organe"?

Fact is in what is now Southern Nigeria, there were only small tribal chiefdoms. Both in Igbo & Yorubaland. Only Oyo later captured some other Yoruba chiefdoms. About 240 after Benin grew as an empire in 1440 AD.

You are right bro

gregyboy:
I didn't curse him because he was protecting os territory i insulted him because he lied on the various point he gave

He didn't lie. He is only trying to be realistic.

davidnazee:
Bro is it because Olaudah wrote that Benin Kingdom once ruled eastern Igbos you are calling his book false?
I think you Igbos should rather be happy because his book is evidence that Igbos existed in 16th century.. because there’s no other mention of Igbos in history prior to the end of the 19th century.. even Igbos can’t recount their history beyond 19th century.

Happy that a little boy that his brain was still on formative stage wrote a book that the points raised can't be proved...

Such history doesn't exist and I have consistently said it here that Bini-Yoruba history remains the only sound and convincing history even to this day.

Hearing the stories, you will fully agree that these two people edo-yorubas are of same stock. Why because you don't look for points to prove such as many critical facts are there to prove it. ..The tundra, the oluseguns, the rotimis, the Obas etc are what is been shared by both that someone will have no doubt to agree...

All come to history with equity and fairness.

davidnazee:
Bro if you are 100% Igbo then your ancestors are not indigenous to delta state but rather migrants who came across the Niger from the east. North delta is not originally Igbo land.

No, it was originally Yorubas right?

Because saying DN is Edos invariably means you are tagging them Yorubas..

Be guided.

davidnazee:
Bro if you are 100% Igbo then your ancestors are not indigenous to delta state but rather migrants who came across the Niger from the east. North delta is not originally Igbo land.

The way Nairalanders and Nigerians in general hold conversations is weird. When did the topic of the conversation shift to whether the area that I come from is 100% Igbo or not? All along we've been talking about Benin, Equiano and the Southeast. I mentioned where I'm from in passing and you shift the topic to my people's identity question? Even after I purposely used the expression "so-called" in an attempt to avoid this derailment and stay on topic?

Weird.

davidnazee:
Bro is it because Olaudah wrote that Benin Kingdom once ruled eastern Igbos you are calling his book false?
I think you Igbos should rather be happy because his book is evidence that Igbos existed in 16th century.. because there’s no other mention of Igbos in history prior to the end of the 19th century.. even Igbos can’t recount their history beyond 19th century.

How many times am I going to say that I'm not calling the book false?

How many times am I going to say that even the best books are likely to have one or two points that will raise the eyebrow of critical scholars? How many times?

Benin people respect Egharevba and his work, don't they? They even have a lecture series or an award (I'm not sure which) named after him. Still Benin people today do not agree with everything Egharevba had to say about Benin history, and that is totally understandable.

davidnazee:
You are right bro

Sorry I wrote that post in a hurry. Good that you got my point despite the many errors in it.

HERE ARE SOME IGBO WORDS IN OLAUDAH EQUIANO'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY BOOK.

Sources:
✓ THE LIFE OF OLAUDAH EQUIANO OR GUSTAVUS VASSA THE AFRICAN WRITTEN BY himself published in 1837.

It's important to note that the accounts of OLAUDAH EQUIANO'S childhood picture about the Igbo customs and manners dates back to his birth year (1745).

Here are some Igbo words in his book, if you have any please do contribute:


1. Essaka: Essaka is the anglicized form of the original Igbo word ISSEKE(a community located in Ihiala local government area, Anambra state). It seems Essaka(Isseke) was the birth place of Olaudah Equiano. Citing from page 9 of his autobiography:
"...This kingdom is divided into many provinces or districts : in one of the most remote and fertile of which, was born,
in the year 1745, situated in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. The distance of this province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable..."


2. Embrenche: This is an anglicized form of the original Igbo word M[G]BURICHI(an act of facial scarification in Igboland which depicts -honour or Noble-). From his book on page 9;
"...My father was one of those elders or chiefs I have spoken of, and was styled Embrenche ; a term, as I remember, importing the highest distinction, and signifying in our language a mark of grandeur. This mark is conferred on the person entitled to it, by cutting the skin across at the top of the forehead, and drawing it down to the eye-brows : and while it is in this situation applying a warm hand, and rubbing it until it shrinks up into a thick weal across the lower part of the forehead..."



3. Eadas: This should be "Ede" in the Igbo language which means Cocoyam. From his book on page 13 and 42
"...Our vegetables are mostly plantains, eadas, yams, beans, and Indian corn...I shall therefore only observe, that in all the places where I was, the soil was exceedingly rich ; the pumpkins, eadas, plaintains, yams..."


4. Oye - Eboe: It's crystal clear that the Igbo word "Onye-Igbo/Ibo" was corrupted to "Oye-Eboe". Igbos who are from a particular district call other Igbos of other districts "Onye Igbo" if they don't know your name or your home town. And it's likely that the frequent usage of the term ONYE IGBO by Igbos made the Europeans to tag all Igbo speaking people as Igbo(NB- During the pre colonial times of the Igbos, no Igbo identified himself/herself as an Igbo person; they commonly identify themselves with the name of their districts like Isuama, Ohafia, Agbaja, Onitsha, Abor, Nri etc). From page 16;
"...These are sometimes visited by stout mahogany-colored men from the south-west of us: we call them Oye-Eboe, which term signifies red men living at a distance..."
–It is likely those mahogany stout men were Arochukwu men who dispersed in all IGBO areas for slaves–


5. Eboe- An anglicized form of "Igbo". From page 17;
"...The West India planters prefer the slaves of Benin or Eboe, to those of any other part of Guinea, for their hardiness, intelligence, integrity, and zeal..."
The Igbos during pre colonial era paid tributes to the Benin kingdom –which means they were subjects to the Oba of Benin–
"...our subjection to the king of Benin was little more than nominal ; for every transaction of the government, as far as my slender observation extended, was conducted by the chief or elders of the place..." - page 9


6. Olaudah- Olaudah is no form of anglicized Igbo word. Some Igbos still bear that archaic name as Olauda. OLA in the Igbo tongue means Wealth, riches etc and UDAH in the central Igbo/Isuama dialect means LOUD/CELEBRATED. I think if they (Ola+Udah meanings in Igbo) are juxtaposed with OLAUDAH'S narrative, they are related and close. From his book on page 23:
"...I was named Olaudah, which in our language signifies vicissitude, or fortunate ; also, one favored, and having a loud voice and well spoken..."

7. Ah Affoe Way Cah: It's a corruption of the Igbo words "Afor Nwoke"(pronounced Ah-for Wo Keh). Afor means a lot in Igbo - Year, Stomach, name of a market day -. Nwoke simply means man.
Page 24, "...They calculated our time, and foretold events, as their name imported, for we called them Ah-affoe way-cah, which signifies calculators or yearly men, our year being called Ah-affoe..."


8. Ah-affoe: "Afor"(meaning year in the Igbo tongue) is same with Ah-affoe. It was just corrupted! Reference same as 7.

@bold...Ah Affoe Way Cah is actually afo nwa ika, ancient men who knew how to calculate the start and end of each linear year.

To better understand Olaudah's Igbo words, you need to first establish his Igbo orthography which he used, because as of the time of his biography modern day Igbo onwu orthography had not been created.

'ay' in 'way' is actually pronounced 'ai' or 'eye', 'cah' would be 'ka'. 'way-cah' = 'wa-ay-cah' = nwa ika.

davidnazee:
Igbos have in their oral history account of a war of resistance they fought against Benin Kingdom were thousands of fighters died on both sides. The war wasn’t fought in the west but deep in the southeast in Anambra and surrounding areas.

If you take that account plus Equiano’s story it seems very true that Benin Kingdom ruled in southeast Igboland maybe the rule wasn’t very long probably due to Igbo aggressive nature and the land not economically viable unlike the Yorubas that Benin Kingdom ruled for over 700years.

Lol. You're a big clown. I guess you're just trolling.

AmuDimpka:
Minority...you would always be defeated..make noise again

You know see as Ijaw take gelegele from una ..una with una weak elders no fit do anything

He's a pained Yeriba not a Bini.

RedboneSmith:
The way Nairalanders and Nigerians in general hold conversations is weird. When did the topic of the conversation shift to whether the area that I come from is 100% Igbo or not? All along we've been talking about Benin, Equiano and the Southeast. I mentioned where I'm from in passing and you shift the topic to my people's identity question? Even after I purposely used the expression "so-called" in an attempt to avoid this derailment and stay on topic?

Weird.

Lol. You can save the argument by telling him you're not Igbo. His attack is strictly against Igbos. Igbos give some people nightmares.
Delta North remains Igbo territory. Anthropologists are aware of the foray of nearby tribes into the area and today these tribes have been acculturated and it's our desire that we maintain a single identity without recourse to the search for ancestry because some of our own people forayed into the territories of those neighbouring tribes and have been acculturated over there.
Let's be proud of our present heritage.
Kudos to your responses to that clown. I couldn't have said them better.