it's just amazing seeing how quickly a good topic of discussion goes south around this streets.

Yeah we know, we have different factions in the house.

I mean like, una go die if all of us just discuss on a mutual ground every once in a while?

Y'all should grow a pair jor. Take a chill pill.

A very nice topic just got dragged into the mud.
That's fu*ked up

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

On the operational side I will point fingers at our training institutions. Quantity seem to be the goal rather than quality these days.

Same for Depot and NDA, imo the last set of quality officers graduated in 2016.The army especially is a mess with low discipline from the rank and file to even senior officers which points at leadership too.
This current system cannot inspire any soldier to fight.

ugo4u:


1) Most atimes it is as a result of poor situational awareness, Boko guys will collect intels on the numerical strength of our troops, equipments etc and triple that number with high volume fire using unconventional weapons such as AA, SVBIED, RPGs etc and all other weapons that goes against Geneva convention. Again the said base may be in an isolated area with weak defensive setup so atimes it is easier for Boko to engage them for hours since they know backup either from other land forces or the NAF won't come ontime to rescue the situation. This is one of the reasons army super camp was setup and so far it has being a success because many soldiers were pulled out from their outposts to fortify bases but not w/o disadvantage as it has given BH leeway to operate freely in ungoverned areas.
2) It's not necessarily because of that most atimes it could be as a result of faulty equipments such as unserviceable vehicles, tanks etc that will enable them do their job effortlessly and as a soldier if your equipment fails you the only option is to japaa( tactical retreat) so that you will live to fight another day.
3) No matter how poorly trained we feel recruits are, they are better trained than the Insurgents, sometimes the media blow some of these attacks out of proportion and also the military have done a shoddy job in the other part of the war which is Media propaganda. I don't think Bokoharam fighters are trained for more than 3 weeks after which they are shipped like zombies to fight. If you even see some of the videos of their attacks the way they move and fire their weapons if you're a trained eye you will notice that they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers, ambushes and suicide attacks to win battles collateral damage isn't their business.

Nice explanation.

SamuelAnyawu:


1) Ammunition might not fully be a factor only. As most Bokoharam attacks on Military base are with Toyota Guntrucks.

2) Our Soldiers morale are kinda low bro. Some already got the feeling that this war is politicised and corruption by top heads of which they are not ready to pay the supreme. Sometimes Bokoharam attacks a base with fewer Guntrucks that what the military base has in it's stock.

3) The Psyche of our Government/Top Military needs to change. We are giving the Bastards so much room by not taking the war to their households. We cannot defeat these bastards by Repelling only. "[b]Haba an Nnamdi with an AK 47 comes to my house and we engage each other in a shootout, next week Nnamdi comes and we engage in a shootout , Next month Nnamdi visits again and we engage in a shootout. I no need brain to tell me say I suppose go search for Nnamdi on the streets to fall am na because if I keep on waiting for Nnamdi's visit soon I'll be scared of watching the English premier league in my sitting Room with my back on my window.

Repelling has now become a sign of Victory on how to end this Insurgency war by our leaders .... like WTF? [/b]


4) Too many stories on how the top Military diverts funds meant for fallen heroes and how they are so quick to chase the families of fallen heroes out of the barracks without their entitlements. Go and see most hotels now being builts in Kaduna and even Abuja by Military heads. The worst is those soldiers Missing in Action. Voicemail things.

We need to take this war to these Blood savage thirsty Terrorists and send them to judgement ASAP.

Thank you very much gentleman

komekn:


Are we ready for that debate are we ready to face hard truths.

We have two main camps here.

The first one is the Nigerian armed forces can do no wring and any criticism is an act of subversion and treason group .

The second is the knowledge based group mostly objective but still critical.

Like I said... just drop ur opinion.. nobody will stop you from saying ur mind here

BabaOwen:
The COIN expert is so so wrong about this. What you're talking about have been happening since the days of Ihejirika. Are you new on this thread? If you start from the first page, you will see this is how it has always been.

They will tell you 10 terrorist was killed in a shootout, then show you 2-3 AK47. Then they will tell us they are chasing the rest of the terrorist. This is how it has always been. Once in a while, they do show huge cache of weapons captured from boko haram.

You can go through this thread and see for yourself.

Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

Kalapizim:
On the operational side I will point fingers at our training institutions. Quantity seem to be the goal rather than quality these days.

Same for Depot and NDA, imo the last set of quality officers graduated in 2016.The army especially is a mess with low discipline from the rank and file to even senior officers which points at leadership too.
This current system cannot inspire any soldier to fight.

Thank you for your opinion

joshingjosh:
Happy Sunday All

This is a battle field discussion thread....I will like anybody that has an opinion to comment on this my question.

Why do Boko Haram overrun some(remember I said some) Military bases??(some of the bases have enough men to secure them)

1) Is it because of Lack of Ammunitions and Equipment:(Remember after successfully overruning the base, the loot weapons and Ammunitions.)

2)Is it because of Lack of Confidence??(Most times we hear of soldiers Neutralizing these attacks).

3) Is it based on their training?? (Somebody once said here that Depot graduates 4000+ recuits at once. Is it that during training their are not taught how to coordinate and return effective fire during attacks??

Gentlemen let us debate

Most points raised by others are true and play key factors but one important thing we all aren't considering is the fact that a soldier will think more than two times before he throws caution away to attack terrorists recklessly whereas the terrorists are actually looking forward to die in battle, they've been indoctrinated to believe a great reward await them on the other side. No one won't flinch when being attacked by waves of terrorist who care more about killing you or die trying than protecting themselves. That is why the terrorists have high casualty rate on their side in any engagement with the Army. If it were to be a conventional military, the result would be entirely different.
Another point is that the army is very slow in evolving to meet up with the dynamics of warfare today,they've been trying to catch up lately (super camps, Hescos, and others) but we are too far behind.
So many other little things play important roles in the defeat of the army.
Take for example, the Army as a whole has lots of bullets but a specific number is assigned to each soldier/unit daily, if you exhaust, they will definitely give you more but the process of requesting for too much time than you can have in battle, so such a soldier/unit will be conscious of the fact that they do not have unlimited bullets and since you are the one defending and do not know when the enemy will stop attacking, you might be economical with the use of your bullets. On the other side, the enemy attacking knows the duration it can attack for, he came prepared and has planned most of what he is going to do, when he exhaust his ammunition, he simply retreats.

komekn:


Everything you have said is either total Balderdash for instance with regards to Geneva convention.

Or assumptive ignorance with no substance, you talk about bases being isolated, and as such by implication defensively and offensively weak and compromised. That's a nonsensical proposition.

The first casualty of War is truth. The NA has never in its history within the civil disposition that started in 1999 been so politicised as it now under Burutai.

The Nigerian Army has been spewing out its own propaganda it's not the exclusive preserve of Boko haram. We have had the Governor and elected members in the National Assembly very vocally contradict the reports of the PMB with regards to large territorial control by Boko in Borno.

The so called unserviceable equipment claim has some credence but not entirely. The same dead equipment is then used by Boko or destroyed by them. It's argued that the larger % of Boko harams weaponry is captured from the NA.

Your entire write up seems the sort of presentation the Nigerian Army PR machinery would present not anybody with independent thought.

I've never come across a post on NL that's sooo full of IGNORANCE. This post is what I see as BALDERDASH. Next time make your point (if you have any) without insults.

Whyem15:


Most points raised by others are true and play key factors but one important thing we all aren't considering is the fact that a soldier will think more than two times before he throws caution away to attack terrorists recklessly whereas the terrorists are actually looking forward to die in battle, they've been indoctrinated to believe a great reward await them on the other side. No one won't flinch when being attacked by waves of terrorist who care more about killing you or die trying than protecting themselves. That is why the terrorists have high casualty rate on their side in any engagement with the Army. If it were to be a conventional military, the result would be entirely different.
Another point is that the army is very slow in evolving to meet up with the dynamics of warfare today,they've been trying to catch up lately (super camps, Hescos, and others) but we are too far behind.
So many other little things play important roles in the defeat of the army.
Take for example, the Army as a whole has lots of bullets but a specific number is assigned to each soldier/unit daily, if you exhaust, they will definitely give you more but the process of requesting for too much time than you can have in battle, so such a soldier/unit will be conscious of the fact that they do not have unlimited bullets and since you are the one defending and do not know when the enemy will stop attacking, you might be economical with the use of your bullets. On the other side, the enemy attacking knows the duration it can attack for, he came prepared and has planned most of what he is going to do, when he exhaust his ammunition, he simply retreats.

This is one reason that many soldiers and officers have been lamenting about..

How can I be given example an m60 Machine Gun with only one pack of ammo??

When somebody like me will definitely need like 5 packs to both lay suppressive fire and just Incase
of "tactical retreat"

GeneralFarouq:

The tyrant always believes he is fighting for the good of his people,
Any opinion that seems to support the military is seen as wrong. That shows the kind of person u are...pple must agree with u "DOLE"
Can u piint one person that belongs to ur first category
But I can point pple that belongs to the emotional, and nonsensical category who never applaud the military even for good things, just say what u wanna say and stop beating around the bush like u have something new to say

This will always be an area of never ending contention on this particular discourse.

Your background, environment, education and experiential competencies will determine your unit of measurement and therefore expectations.

As a consequence what someone consider good, satisfactory and commendable. Will by someone else be considered ineptitude incompetence and comdemnable.

In this regard the contention will never end.

Because there are too many who start from emotive sentiment not the substantive objective measurement of issues.

In a nutshell the Nigerian problem.

When a Governor repairs a dilapidated road, we commend and eulogize him that's mediocrity.

That's what is at play here, low self esteem and low expectations.

Jelal0007:
I've never come across a post on NL that's sooo full of IGNORANCE. This post is what I see as BALDERDASH. Next time make your point (if you have any) without insults.

Lol, , later he will have us believe he post no insults.

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komekn:


[s][/s]This will always be an area of never ending contention on this particular discourse.

Your background, environment, education and experiential competencies will determine your unit of measurement and therefore expectations.

As a consequence what someone consider good, satisfactory and commendable. Will by someone else be considered ineptitude incompetence and comdemnable.

In this regard the contention will never end.

Because there are too many who start from emotive sentiment not the substantive objective measurement of issues.

In a nutshell the Nigerian problem.

When a Governor repairs a dilapidated road, we commend and eulogize him that's mediocrity.

That's what is at play here, low self esteem and low expectations. [s][/s]

so since 2016 the military has never done anything commendable, even to the world best military expert like you(Armchair General).. Your standard is second to none in the world
Lol, I won't fall for this, let go back to the actual discussion

Whyem15:


Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

This is a military that once denied an Air force officer that was captured by boko haram and later beheaded. Is also a military that told Nigerians no part of Nigeria is under the control of Boko Haram. I won't be surprise if they do what you wrote up there.

The answer to the question you asked the COIN expert for me is that, Boko Haram do pick up the weapons of their dead colleagues when ever they are withdrawing tactically from an attack.

Whyem15:


Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

it's so sad you can think this negative of the army? What the hell do y'all want?

If they don't release photos and videos, Una go say dem no dey try via pr and stuffs..if they release, na so so wahala.

Maybe the airstrikes too were lifted from movies and edited too before been released to the public

If you believe the army will go such length against a ragtag group, then am sorry you I'll never see anything good as you have already pre conditioned your mind not to

seankafor:
it's so sad you can think this negative of the army? What the hell do y'all want?

If they don't release photos and videos, Una go say dem no dey try via pr and stuffs..if they release, na so so wahala.

Maybe the airstrikes too were lifted from movies and edited too before been released to the public

If you believe the army will go such length against a ragtag group, then am sorry you I'll never see anything good as you have already pre conditioned your mind not to

You misread

He said if they were interested in photo ops***

Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

Edopesin:


You misread

He said if they were interested in photo ops***

Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

am sorry I don't believe that.

To what end of I may ask?

Edopesin:


You misread

He said if they were interested in photo ops***

Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

Most peeps here read with a preconceived sentiment already

SamuelAnyawu:


Most peeps here read with a preconceived sentiment already

It can happen to anyone,

seankafor:
am sorry I don't believe that.

To what end of I may ask?

Very simple propaganda.

Like l always say the first casualty of war is the TRUTH.

Even more so when we don't have any info media given access to the NE.

komekn:


Very simple propaganda.

Like l always say the first casualty of war is the TRUTH.

Even more so when we don't have any info media given access to the NE.

what is this truth you always speaking of?

Maybe Sahara reporter kinda truth

Whyem15:


Don't you think the Army can assemble 100s of weapons and claim they were recovered from bokoharam if they were interested in photo ops and propaganda?

Moreso, I'm sure BabaOwen never notices the other arms recovered. If 10 terrorists are killed and the list of arms is like this; 3 Ak47s, 1 AAA gun, 1 RPG, 1GPMG etc, one can deduce it takes 2 guys to man the AAA, 2 others are manning the other equipments listed. Meaning at least 7 guys are active. Using this analogy, equipments usually match more than half the number of dead Terrorists

It's very irritating when lazy minds just try to raise dust here. More irritating is how they never seem to own up to their shits when superior reasoning is thrown at them.

komekn:


Very simple propaganda.

Like l always say the first casualty of war is the TRUTH.

Even more so when we don't have any info media given access to the NE.

How does this correlate with what you quoted. Must you be a dunce in every of your posts?

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Odunayaw:
How does this correlate with what you quoted. Must you be a dunce in every of your posts?

Jelal0007:
I've never come across a post on NL that's sooo full of IGNORANCE. This post is what I see as BALDERDASH. Next time make your point (if you have any) without insults.

Going back to your write up, its blatantly obvious you have no idea, knowledge and or understanding about the "GENEVA CONVENTION". If l sound insulting it's not intended but the context in which you use it, leaves me bewildered. How can you say use of RPG's and AA (HMG) contravenes the Geneva convention.

Your approach is essentially making excuses for the inexcusable. For instance ;

The bases are isolated, and as a consequence are unable to present a defensive and or offensive threat against Boko. By nature forward bases are always in isolated locations closer to areas of contention. That excuse is simply not just not plausible, doesn't make any sense.

Equipment, MBT's, APC's, etc are not operational and unserviceable, that's not true. ls that why we see Boko using the same captured equipment. And then using arms captured to fight against us. Thats a whimsical excuse and baseless.

To quote you verbatim " they lack coordination or discipline, they take advantage of numbers - - -" Are you suggesting that they Boko outnumber the NA.

Those uncoordinated and indisciplined Boko Haram as you claim have held the nation to ransome for a decade and killed thousands. Don't ever underestimate your enemy my advice.

Now go back to what you have written, review and appraise and after a cool drink or Coca-Cola have a smile and admit my observations are not anchored on IGNORANCE

And if my language in my first post was condescending and insulting, l apologise, I guess l got a bit emotive.

seankafor:
it's so sad you can think this negative of the army? What the hell do y'all want?

If they don't release photos and videos, Una go say dem no dey try via pr and stuffs..if they release, na so so wahala.

Maybe the airstrikes too were lifted from movies and edited too before been released to the public

If you believe the army will go such length against a ragtag group, then am sorry you I'll never see anything good as you have already pre conditioned your mind not to

Please read my post again, then read the one before it, I'm not the one antagonizing the military here.
I posted that in response to his comment that the military has been showing disproportionate quantity of weapons captured to terrorists killed(he speculated that they are using it for propaganda) and I proposed to him that the military could do such propaganda without raising suspicions like he is having if they really wanted to, like the lie will be more believable if we are told they killed 100 terrorists and 100 weapons were shown as proof, they could easily assemble 100 guns from their amoury to prove that point. My inference was that it is very unlikely that all the statistics we've been seeing are doctored.

Who has a meaningful topic for us to discuss please.

somewhere in Maiduguri

Some people on this thread have just chosen to be fool!!sh. I never sound rude to the person I quoted. A swine just mentioned me and used some foul words. When person reply now, one pikin go cry to the mods like a baby he is


In the last 15-20 pages, how many times have we seen the Nigeria military capturing AAA guns? How many times have we seen pictures of the army capturing GPMG or RPG? Most of what we do see are just AK47 and bullets, go through the post and confirm yourself.

We mostly see AAA when Boko Haram attack a military formation and they are struck by tnk shell, artillery shell or they are been bombed by the NAF.

Anytime the military tell us they kill Fulani herdsmen in the MB, same things happen. There are more dead body than weapons.

So I stand by my words, when there is a firefight between the insurgents and the military, is possible Boko Haram terrorist do pickup their dead colleagues small arms while retreating.

If the military com like, make dem put 100 ak47 beside 7 dead terrorists, nah dem sabi

If you think when Boko Haram is attacking with about 10 men, 4 do come with AK47, while the rest come with stones, catapult, axe,dagger and cutlass... Nah u sabi. As for me, Boko Haram have enough fire arms.

This was just my own opinion to the guy I quoted.

Abeg dey reason am well before you mention me in quotes. I have the rights to my opinion, if you don't like it, and you can't waka pass, you're free to drink sniper.

If una like, make una like make una reply or not, I no go even read am not to talk of replying.

About eight hundred more personnel of The Nigeria Police Force have been deployed to Zamfara State to maintain law and order and ensure the people of the State are not disturbed by bandits.

This is coming after a strategic meeting between governor of the State, Bello Matawalle and Inspector General of Police, Mohammed Adamu at the force headquarters in Abuja.

The deployed personnel are from the counter Terrorist, Police Mobile Force and Special Forces among others. The move according to Police authorities is to ensure remnannts of unrepentant bandits are cleared from the State.

https://www.tvcnews.tv/police-deploy-special-forces-to-tackle-bandits-in-zamfara/

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