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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Nobody: 10:55am On Jul 19, 2020
my friend is christian but stopped tithing when he found out that a junior pastor stole tithes worth N15 million in the space of 9 months by collecting cheques and opening an account in the name of the church in another bank using church documents and fake signatories.

God did nothing and he left the church to form his own. - no repercussions

My friend is wealthy without tithing

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by seguno2: 10:56am On Jul 19, 2020
emrain:
It is only in Africa that people still interpret the Bible literally.

This is how Africans understand tithe - ”If you don't pay your tithe, you'll remain(become) poor forever. But if you do, you may become prosperous”

Here's the actual truth - ”If you pay your tithe, you are directly contributing to the sustainability of the Christian religion. By this singular act of kindness, your children will also benefit from Christianity.

But in Nigeria, everything na ”gra-gra”.

Christians are not required to pay tithes.
EOD!

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Enoch07: 11:04am On Jul 19, 2020
seguno2:

Bros, what did you see in the VAR? grin
even the least 50cent omo these men no pay sef

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by adetunjioludami(m): 11:14am On Jul 19, 2020
Errm a quick one, All y'all that doesn't pay tithe, Since you have not been paying, what has happened to the church of God?
At least IV seen almost 100 comments on nairaland from non tithers, millions of people don't pay tithe and still the Church of God is waxing stronger!!!! LEAVE TITHERS ALONE AND FACE YOUR LIFE. We are mumu,we are foolish ehn leave us oh ye wise ones!!!!! If you and your generation doesn't pay tithe forever, nothing will happen. God would still be God and his servants would still be flying jets!!!!
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by donmarshia(m): 11:16am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God

Did Jesus talk about tithing? I really would like to learn. All I have heard about tithing is from the old testament before Christ came and died for us. There are several laws in the old testament which are completely ignored but tithing is always the focus.
I addition to learning which I am very open to, my opinion is that the bible teaches giving as an attitude. A willingness to always help as opposed to hoarding.
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by awoluyi(m): 11:16am On Jul 19, 2020
It appears tithing is the only issue in the entire Holy Bible that needs to be discussed regularly.
The Arabs will soon land on Mars while we dissipate energy on a matter that can easily be understood if one reads the scriptures.
Despite the so-called prosperity the payment of tithes has brought to us, Nigeria is now regarded as the poverty capital of the whole wild world. Ironically Nigeria produces the richest preacher of material prosperity.
Discussing how to bring back qualitative and functional education, better Medicare services, equitable distribution of our resources and justice to the nation should be our preoccupation in the 21st century.
We should wake up to the reality, Nigeria is lagging and out of phase with the rest of the civilised world.

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by DarkJeddi(m): 11:17am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God
Shame of not paying tithe? grin

Nigga ain't no shame in how I decide to spend my hard earned money..

I should give 10% of my money to someone that is already a billionaire? shocked

God punish Devil.. angry

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by DarkJeddi(m): 11:22am On Jul 19, 2020
petra1:


You are wrong





Wrong . Tithes are not paid to Pastors account . Church Monty is not Pastors money . 90% of Pastors are doing it voluntarily without getting welfare because they have jobs . Before a ministry will give you a church to pastor you must have a job first . You must be a tither . Pastors are number one Rutgers and givers
Story for the gods..

Givers with pot bellies..

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by chigoziri2403(m): 11:25am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
If you can't obey God with your tithe, that means you will find it difficult to fully obey God. those people that are shouting I will give my tithe to the poor and how faithful are they with it. they are not faithful with it. give God ten percent that is not too much to ask now
where did God ask you to give him 10%

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Abiodunstephen(m): 11:25am On Jul 19, 2020
gospelpen:
Powerful principles of increase lesson from Avanzini

Can There Be Prosperity Without the Tithe?

God wants to build an end-time temple, a holy habitation not made with hands. To do this He must have an end-time army of special saints to accomplish His vision. This truth came to me by revelation after years of studying the Bible. It is totally based upon Scripture. God will give the responsibility of building His great end-time dwelling place to those who have proved themselves faithful in financial matters.

When King Josiah commissioned workers for the restoration of the temple, he gave the work to those craftsmen who had already proved themselves faithful in their financial transactions.

And let them deliver it into the hand of the doers of the work . . . to repair the breaches of the house, Unto carpenters, and builders, and masons, and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house.
Howbeit there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully.
2 Kings 22:5-7


God did not choose these men for the labor because they had promised to be faithful. He chose them because they had already proved themselves faithful. When it came time for King Josiah to choose who would work in the great restoration of the temple, God told the king to select these men because they had an established record of dealing faithfully in their finances. God uses people who are faithful in their finances, and tithing is part of that faithfulness.

Many times people have said to me, "Brother John, when I get a large sum of money (such as an inheritance, sweepstakes, or windfall from some get-rich-quick scheme), I will become a faithful tither to the Lord."

That's not God's way! God requires that we first be faithful in the little matters, right in the midst of our current circumstances. Then He will grant us an abundance. It was true in the Old and New Testaments, and it's true today.

Read what the ruler said to his faithful servant in the Parable of the Talents.

His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Matthew 25:23


Remember what Jesus said to His disciples about faithfulness.

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luke 16:10


If you want to be a part of the next big move of God, don't just get your finances in order temporarily. Keep them in order from now on, and be faithful.

Moreover it is required [not just desired] in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Corinthians 4:2


What Is an Offering?

By now you probably know that an offering is different from a tithe. The tithe is clearly 10 percent of what you have earned, an amount set by God. It is a non-negotiable obligation you owe Him.

An offering is a different matter. An offering is not a specified amount. It is totally discretionary on our part, an amount we give freely to God. The amount of our offering establishes the measure, or rate by which God will bless us and increase our substance.

...For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
Luke 6:38


An offering is anything you give over and above your tithe. You are not generous in the eyes of God when you tithe. Tithing is simply evidence of honesty and obedience.

It is paying God what you owe Him. However, when you hear the voice of God leading you to give beyond your tithe, that is an offering. It is a freewill love gift to your God.

You can give offerings to help finance your local church, a missionary, or any Christian outreach. Many ministries in the Kingdom of God survive solely on the freewill offerings of God's prosperous people. In many cases, offerings are God's way of meeting their needs.

Remember, your tithe only opens the windows of heaven. God begins to pour out His blessings when you give generous offerings. Your offerings determine the measure God will use to give back to you. Through your tithes and offerings, you will move into a dynamic new realm, working with God, ministering to the needs of a hurting and needy world.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20


Source: https://jerco.org/2020/07/19/can-there-be-prosperity-without-the-tithe/

I will say this, I am a tithe payer, but I have told my pastor several times that they should change the name, because from what the Bible says in Leviticus, tithe should not be paid in cash but in food, secondly tithe is not weekly basis but every three years, so if you pay it in monetary way and weekly it means you are going against the commandment.
in Malachi we are using is says "bring ye tithe to my house so that there will be food", not money.
even in Leviticus it warned Israelites that if you are leaving far from Jerusalem and you want to pay your tithe, first convert in to money that is if you can carry the food because of the distance, and when you get to Jerusalem, go and buy what pleases you and set it down with the levite and destitute and your house hold, eat it with them.
which means tithe is not only for pastor but even for poor and even you must eat from it.

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Samysearch(m): 11:25am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
If you can't obey God with your tithe, that means you will find it difficult to fully obey God. those people that are shouting I will give my tithe to the poor and how faithful are they with it. they are not faithful with it. give God ten percent that is not too much to ask now
Are u being sarcastic?
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by DarkJeddi(m): 11:28am On Jul 19, 2020
emrain:
It is only in Africa that people still interpret the Bible literally.

This is how Africans understand tithe - ”If you don't pay your tithe, you'll remain(become) poor forever. But if you do, you may become prosperous”

Here's the actual truth - ”If you pay your tithe, you are directly contributing to the sustainability of the Christian religion. By this singular act of kindness, your children will also benefit from Christianity.

But in Nigeria, everything na ”gra-gra”.
Who Christianity help?

What is the positive impact of Christianity on Africa and Nigeria in particular?

Japan,China,India,Russia, Saudi Arabia and most other advanced nations with low number of Christians..

How are we better than them with the Christianity we carry for head?

These people want to keep Africans perpetually subjugated with religion,by threats of fire and brimstone if you don't do what their interpretation of the Bible says..

Well,furck them!! grin

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by KingRollins01(m): 11:33am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God
Do you or ur pastor obey tithing according to Deut 14:22-29?

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Flyingngel(m): 11:33am On Jul 19, 2020
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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by BackllGodNaija: 11:36am On Jul 19, 2020
StubbornGENIUS:
Show the verse in the book of job that supports this claim of yours.
Why not show just one that disputes it. Many verses spoke of how much he helped the poor, but none of tithes.

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Burstbrain(m): 11:45am On Jul 19, 2020
Let me check how many Chinese pay there tithe that made them so successful

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Globad(f): 11:49am On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
I am not saying that you are secured financially if you pay your tithe. I am looking at it from the obedience point of view. if you find it difficult to obey God by giving God ten percent of your income, then you will find it difficult to fully obey God.

God doesn't need a dime of your income. Was God not surviving before the coming of christianity?

If you must give, give directly to the needy and not through any intermediary/pastor. Na there corruption dey start

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by llade(m): 11:51am On Jul 19, 2020
smiley wink
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Abdogood(m): 11:58am On Jul 19, 2020
Anyone who believe in tithing should continue..

And if you don't, then let it be....

Tithing is not a gateway to paradise. There more important teachings in the bible which requires an adjustment in our behavioral attitude towards our daily living in accord to the teachings of Christ.

I believe God does not need your 10cent to bless you. The beauty of the gospel for me is that Christ didn't collect any tithe. He didnt bring any church too. He brought the good news.

The law above all laws is to love God and ur neighbor as urself.

For years now. I don't pay tithe. Yet i dont go broke which I am contented with.

I pay my parents tithe monthly. And they prayers works wonders.

If only Africans obey God's laws the way they obey tithing. African will be a better place today.

If truly religion is what they say it, Nigeria will have been the best country in the world. We have more churches/Mosques then schools and businesses. Yet we deeps in corruption, wickedness, selfishness all kind of nothing good.

Even the Pastors are not helping the matter all.

The Bible said you couldn't differentiate Christ from his disciples.

One day one day una eyes go open to the truth. Just as Covid19 has open the eyes of few to the idealogy of religion.

We will be alright las las...

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by igboamakaaa: 12:03pm On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
I am not saying that you are secured financially if you pay your tithe. I am looking at it from the obedience point of view. if you find it difficult to obey God by giving God ten percent of your income, then you will find it difficult to fully obey God.
You are not Giving God any freaking 10% you are enriching one con man somewhere who decieves and swindles you off your money.

If you want to Give back to God, go to the hospitals and pay bills of people who cant afford to, Go and pay for the bail release of unlawfully conscripted prisoners, go and support orphanages, sponsor poor families to get small buisness that will break them out of poverty line, and send the wards which are wasting away to school.

You will see the bountiful blessings of Good health and unending happiness that will flow in your life afterwards.

It is written in the bible, "in as much as you do these to the least of the brethren, you do these also to me". Are these not the kind of things Jesus would have done?

Elohim is not a human that has accounts littered here and there. He does not wear gold, does not eat human food and does not live in human made houses, Even his Son Jesus whim he sent as a messiah to liberate us from the shackles of sin and everlasting death didn't ride horses and chariots when he was on earth, he didnt wear long flowing purple robes nor did he or his followers rob the rich or poor of their belongings in the name of 10%.
Whenever a follower of Christ sold a piece of land, got a lot of profits from a buisness or wanted to donate funds, HE BROUGHT IT TO THE CONGREGATION OF BELIEVERS and it WAS SHARED EQUALLY AMONG ALL so that there was no rich nor poor among them. This was one of the reasons they were called 'Christians' in Antioch. The people of antioch said to themselves, "see how they love one another".

STOP FUNDING THESE CON MEN'S FLAMBOYANT LIFESTYLE. They are only after your money, that's all. When they get enough, they use these same funds to open multiple buisness centres (churches) that bring forth more revenue to them. They do not serve YHWH Elohim nor are they followers of his Son Yeshua ha mansiach (Jesus Christ). They are wolves milking the poor dry and promising them paradise in heaven (which they are not going to enter). Use your heads people!!!

Church is the most lucrative buisness in Nigeria atm, you dont need much capital, just N1000 bible will do. You just have to learn how to deceive people and tell them what they want to hear and in the long run.....obtain fetish powers from magicians, that's all. You'd be a billionaire (and you wont even have to pay tax on the massive profit returns).

True followers of God ought not to be fed with milk, you all should start eating solid food by now. GO AND READ YOUR BIBLE!!!!! Pray to God for Wisdom and insights before doing so and he would unravel the mysteries that lie therein. Go and research on the books that were taken out of the bible, read them and you will see why the europeans (who destroyed Israel, carted away all the holy scrolls and modelled God, his Son and all his servants on earth to be 'white, european looking people) did what they did just to be called the 'supreme race'.

After doing all these, you will see that there is a huge difference between the followers of God in the Bible and the "Buisness men, their slave controllers and the slaves who have refused to reason" kind of religion being practiced today.

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Queen500: 12:06pm On Jul 19, 2020
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FrLukas:
I know that Bill Gates has never paid tithes before in his life.

Ditto Mark Zuckerberg

Ditto Alhaji Dangote.

Maybe what the author of this article is trying to ask is

Can our pastors prosper without the tithes of church members?
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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by fairheart(m): 12:11pm On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
If you can't obey God with your tithe, that means you will find it difficult to fully obey God. those people that are shouting I will give my tithe to the poor and how faithful are they with it. they are not faithful with it. give God ten percent that is not too much to ask now

It is Christians like you that distort the tenet of God!
May I tell you that in Nigeria, even thiefy politicians pay tithe. I mean, there are politicians who pays 10% on their shady deals to the pastor they look up to, yet the money the tithe was taken was meant for, let us say, healthcare development, or road infrastructure. Is this acceptable to God?
I have realised that most Nigerians are ignorant and too weak for the truth. When you tell them the truth, they take it as a lie.
If tithing is so important as you and other pastors emphasize on it, God Himself would have used His own Hand to include it in the 10 commandment. But it is not there.
God doesn't curse or deject His children because they don't give Him money that He doesn't spend. He only command us to love Him and others. The money you give to the Church goes toward its works and the needy. You don't have to pay tithe to Love God. God bless you

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by fairheart(m): 12:15pm On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God
I have been reading your comment. First, you need to see the conflict in your views. You don't seem to know how to harmonise your thought.
You said if someone doesn't pay tithe then they cannot obey God, then the guy ask: if they pay tithe, can they fully obey God, you said no.
Check the meaning of logic and rational thinking. You are conflicting yourself abeg. Small kids coming on Nairaland to say things they don't understand. sad

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Nobody: 12:16pm On Jul 19, 2020
So only tithing is the law of God you should obey, sins and all types of iniquities are multiplying in many folds and taking over Nigeria and you are more concerned with paying tithe, pay tithe by giving God your heart, God is interested in the purity of your heart than the sacrifice of giving money to your church.
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by fairheart(m): 12:17pm On Jul 19, 2020
The only commandment that is still valid is the only set of commandment God Himself wrote with His own Hand.
THE 10 commandment.
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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by AnanseK(m): 12:19pm On Jul 19, 2020
Ask Dangote.

Ignorance is your problem. You don’t even have to be a Christian to be rich

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by fairheart(m): 12:21pm On Jul 19, 2020
The infallible rule of wealth?
1. Work hard and smart.
2. Create value or service that meets need or provide wants (people's desire)
3.Stay on a single purpose
4. Become an expert and very skilled in what you do
5. Manage your time and finance
6. Give to the less privilege
7. Pray to God
8. If you go to Church, give offering as your heart desire; don't be forced
9. Avoid friends and family that wants to run down your business

Always repeat item one to the last.

God will prosper you
Tithing does not promise and give wealth. This is the truth!

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Amumaigwe: 12:23pm On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God

Invariably, if you can obey God in tithing, it confirms that you can fully obey God?

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Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by promisedeco(m): 12:27pm On Jul 19, 2020
Stallion93:
No need to read your long epistle
U can never ever be successful without paying tithe! What are yoy thinking? You want to Rob God? U no dey fear??!
If not for tithe, i would have lost in MMM like others, but for my tithe, I cashed out big time, Own 3 houses in Banana island now, proceeds from MMM cause of tithe.
Abeg use 1 eye peep my signature
So, all the people who lost there money's to MMM don't pay tithe shebi? undecided
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by sowilli: 12:30pm On Jul 19, 2020
chijokz:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the only person who benefits and prospers is the account owner in which all tithes and offerings are paid into. Hypothetically, let's say a church has 200 members that earn $50,000 per annum and all pay their tithes of 10% which leaves them with $45,000 while total tithes paid into the pastor's account is 200x5,000 = $1,000,000 per annum.
That's why pastors will defend and continue to preach the tithing doctrine indefinitely.
many of you miss the mystery of tithing. There are somethings that don’t answer to Gods prayer but God has given nature the power to make them available as long as humans obey the laws. For instance, Imagine if man decides to destroy and kill all the plants in the whole world, will he have oxygen to breathe, even if he prays for a hundred years will he? It’s same with prosperity. It only answers to giving and one of the giving is tithing. If you are opportune with 100 non Christian billionaires, you will find out they all tithe. I have heard Alhaijis bringing millions of into the church. Do you think Dangote visited that pastor when his wife died because of just visit.They have a relationship and many of this rich Muslims tithe. It’s not only Christians that tithe. Don’t bother about what a pastor makes, do your part of the law. The problem is there are fake prophets who are just out for tithes and this abuse. There will always be fake prophets btw. Remember the case of Eli’s sons. Tithing is a law everyone who aspire to be wealthy must obey! Please google Rhonda Byrne ... she is not a pastor

Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Dotng: 12:31pm On Jul 19, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Do you obey God with your Tithe? This is what God said you should do with your Tithe ... Have you ever done exactly what God commanded you to do with your tithe, ever?

Below is the tithing law as defined in the Old Covenant... This is the law.... all pieced together, and the word of God commanding you to obey His commandment. Tell us what aspect you have obeyed in your years as a tither


This is what God told you to do with the Tithe He commanded of you.





Remember what God said about His commandment and what blessings and curses come to those who obey OR disobey His commandments as Stipulated.



Abeg make people hear word o'jare~!

grin Take it easy. No be fight.
Re: Can There Be Prosperity Without The Tithe? - John Avanzini by Nobody: 12:32pm On Jul 19, 2020
delkuf:
I am not saying that you are secured financially if you pay your tithe. I am looking at it from the obedience point of view. if you find it difficult to obey God by giving God ten percent of your income, then you will find it difficult to fully obey God.

God didn't command you as a Christian to pay tithes. It's part of the old law given to the ISRAELITES. The situation with some Christians is exactly what was happening in Apostle Paul's time concerning circumcision. The Jews that became Christians were trying to force it on the gentile Christians and Paul was kicking against it as a burden that wasn't meant for Christians.
It is not bad for one to decide to pay one-tenth (or any percentage) to God's work. But all these "curses, cankerworm punishment" talk is big time manipulation. When a Christian starts saying that it's a command for Christians to pay tithes it's either he is ignorant or downright dubious.

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