₦airaland Forum

delkuf:
I am not saying that you are secured financially if you pay your tithe. I am looking at it from the obedience point of view. if you find it difficult to obey God by giving God ten percent of your income, then you will find it difficult to fully obey God.

fairheart:
It is Christians like you that distort the tenet of God!
May I tell you that in Nigeria, even thiefy politicians pay tithe. I mean, there are politicians who pays 10% on their shady deals to the pastor they look up to, yet the money the tithe was taken was meant for, let us say, healthcare development, or road infrastructure. Is this acceptable to God?
I have realised that most Nigerians are ignorant and too weak for the truth. When you tell them the truth, they take it as a lie.
If tithing is so important as you and other pastors emphasize on it, God Himself would have used His own Hand to include it in the 10 commandment. But it is not there.
God doesn't curse or deject His children because they don't give Him money that He doesn't spend. He only command us to love Him and others. The money you give to the Church goes toward its works and the needy. You don't have to pay tithe to Love God. God bless you

HedwigesMaduro:
God didn't command you as a Christian to pay tithes. It's part of the old law given to the ISRAELITES. The situation with some Christians is exactly what was happening in Apostle Paul's time concerning circumcision. The Jews that became Christians were trying to force it on the gentile Christians and Paul was kicking against it as a burden that wasn't meant for Christians.
It is not bad for one to decide to pay one-tenth (or any percentage) to God's work. But all these "curses, cankerworm punishment" talk is big time manipulation. When a Christian starts saying that it's a command for Christians to pay tithes it's either he is ignorant or downright dubious.

hakeem4:
If you also can’t completely obey the Old Testament then it means mr. Jesus should not help you.

I don’t see you doing the following
1) owning slaves
2) raping women
committing genocides
Etc and many other barbaric acts commanded of us by the Old Testament.

Why do you cherry pick what to do in the Old Testament. How does paying tithe makes someone financially secured

As soon as you get more exposed to life ...experinces you will realize that wealth has nothing to do with spirituality....

Stallion93:
No need to read your long epistle
U can never ever be successful without paying tithe! What are yoy thinking? You want to Rob God? U no dey fear??!
If not for tithe, i would have lost in MMM like others, but for my tithe, I cashed out big time, Own 3 houses in Banana island now, proceeds from MMM cause of tithe.
Abeg use 1 eye peep my signature

BackllGodNaija:
Sure. There are several biblical examples of men who didn't pay tithes yet were financially prosperous. One of them was Job who was said to be the most prosperous man of his region. He did help the poor a lot though but didn't pay tithes!

sapientia:
How many of the first 20 richest men in the world pay tithe?

With this answer I can know what I will say

Or if its established that everyone who has been paying their tithe for the past one year have become very rich.

Ooh... I forgot, its only after paying tithe that they will remind you that you also have to live right.... Hehehehehe

Perfect way to get an excuse for your poverty.

ANYONE WHO ASKS YOU TO PAY TITHE IS A THIEF

sapientia:
How many of the first 20 richest men in the world pay tithe?

With this answer I can know what I will say

Or if its established that everyone who has been paying their tithe for the past one year have become very rich.

Ooh... I forgot, its only after paying tithe that they will remind you that you also have to live right.... Hehehehehe

Perfect way to get an excuse for your poverty.

ANYONE WHO ASKS YOU TO PAY TITHE IS A THIEF

hakeem4:
If you also can’t completely obey the Old Testament then it means mr. Jesus should not help you.

I don’t see you doing the following
1) owning slaves
2) raping women
committing genocides
Etc and many other barbaric acts commanded of us by the Old Testament. There's a big difference between kingdom wealth and worldly wealth. The latter comes without sorrows

Why do you cherry pick what to do in the Old Testament. How does paying tithe makes someone financially secured

As soon as you get more exposed to life ...experinces you will realize that wealth has nothing to do with spirituality....

Gforce2015:
this is Daddy Freeze version proving that paying tithe is not scriptural...but a student of the word of God...compare your aforementioned scripture with the practice in Book of Acts of Apostle Chapter 4:37....this was what the church was practicing in the time of early Apostle....are they the same?

Bible is not a logic book; it can only be spiritually decoded...guy, i am not defending the pastor, tithe is needed for the work of ministries in the church but there some greedy pastors and senior pastor that are taking advantage of this fund....some of them use it for themselves and send their children to school abroad....

UgoFly:
TITHING AS REGARDS Malachi.3: 8-10

First to understand the Bible & to interpret & apply it for today's Christians we must know the DIFFERENCES Btw OLD & NEW TESTAMENT

We must know dat d Bible is divided into 3 dispensations The Patriarchal, The Mosiac & The Christian Dispensations. We must also know what's written for the Jews, Gentiles & the Church.

1. The Patriarchal age is the age of the fathers frm Abraham to Moses.
2. The Mosaic age is from Moses to Christ
3. The Christian age is from Christ's death on the cross to the His second coming

God dealt with the people in a very peculiar ways e.g. in the Patriarchal age there was no 10 commandments, in Mosaic age God gave them 10 Commandments & ceremonial laws to be obeyed. The Christian age brought in Grace & Truth
The law was our school master to bring us into CHRIST but now faith has come through Christ we are no longer under the school master. (Gal. 3:22-24). 

We're not justified by law (Gal.5:4). Christ is the end of the law. (Rom.10:1-4).
If we're to practice the Old Testament doctrine together with the New Testament there will be lots of confusion as we will be required according to Leviticus 20 to stone to death fornicators, adulterers, witches, wizards, stoning to death a rebellious son Deuteronomy (21:18-21), practice several burnt offerings & sin offerings of different kinds, stone to death those who work Saturday (Sabbath day). (Numbers 15:32-36). 

If a girl loses her virginity she must be stoned to death to death also (Deut 22:13-21)
Women during their monthly period will be forbidden to come to church & so many more old testament practices. But we know that Christ have nailed all these practices & laws to the cross ( Col. 2:14-16, Rom.10:4)

WHAT IS TITHE? Tithes is a practice of paying "one- tenth" of one's income or possession according to the Old Testament

ORIGIN OF TITHES. The first time the word tithe ever appeared in the Bible is in the Book of Genesis where Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek the priest of Salem. Note that Abraham paid tithes as a reciprocal gestures in appreciation/ response to Melchizedek giving food & wine to Abraham's servants on his way back from war. (Gen.14:8, 18-20). Abraham did not pay tithes to Melchizedek from his personal possessions but from spoils of war that he brought back when he went to rescue Lot his brother. (Gen. 14: 21-2 There was no law compelling Abraham to pay tithes to Melchizedek, he did it freely Abraham DID NOT PAY TITHES AS A CONTINUOUS MONTHLY OR YEARLY RITUAL, but it was a one-time event.

TITHES BECOMES LAW IN ISRAEL.
Tithes became a law in the land of Israel when the children of Israel got to the Promised Land of Cannan. God divided the land to eleven out of the twelve tribes of Israel. But to the tribe of of Levi God didn't give any portion of land, rather God gave them the tithes of which rightly belong to God, because of the services he gave them to perform in the Temple of Tabernacle (Lev. 27:30, Numb. 18:20-24) e.g the tribe of Judah where Christ came from are tithe payers, because they collected their own share of the land of Cannan & God Commanded them to pay to their brother Levi- Aaron & his descendants (Jos.15:1-5, Neh.13:12). 

WHOM DID GOD COMMAND TO PAY TITHES & TO WHOM?
God told all the Nations of Israel to pay Tithes from the land he gave Num. 18:20-21). (Mal. 1:1-2, 3:7-12). We must understand that the laws of the Old Covenant & the laws of TITHES in particular wasn't given to any other tribe in the world but to Israel as a Nation (Deut. 5:1-3)

The Israelites were Commanded to pay tithe to the tribe of Levi only No other tribe in the whole world including Jesus Christ & Judah his tribe has any scriptural right to collect tithes ( Heb. 7:5, 13), rather Judah the tribe Jesus came from were tithes payers & not tithes collectors (Neh. 13:12) 

FROM WHAT PROCEEDS DID GOD COMMANDS THAT TITHES BE PAID?.

Many Pastors who are tithes collectors says tithes must be paid from salaries & business profits but the Bible clearly states where tithes proceeds are to be paid.
Tithes were commanded to be paid from FARM PRODUCE of the Israelites be it ANIMALS or CROPS ( Deut. 14:22 Lev. 27:30-31). In which case God has already provided them farm lands (Jos.15:1-3). So there's no excuse for any
Israelite saying "I can't pay Tithes" or "I don't hv a land to farm".
WAS TITHE TO BE PAID WITH MONEY OR FARM PRODUCE ONLY?. God Commanded that money shouldn't be used for tithes payment but FARM PRODUCE ONLY. This is stated clearly & expressly. (Deut. 14:22-26). 

God knows that money was a good medium of exchange but commanded that if all you have to
to bring your tithes(FARM PRODUCE) from a far distance to where God has put his name then you Have to sell the farm product for money but when you get to d place you have to turn the money into farm produce again & eat before the Lord (Deut.14:22-26)
HOW MANY TYPES OF TITHES ARE THERE?
God actually gave commandments to Israel to pay specific tithe for specific purposes

1. Annual or yearly tithe to be given to take care of the Levites- Aaron & other priests officiating in the Tabernacle (Num. 18:20-24)
2. Tithes every 3 years to be given for the general populace of Levites, widows, orphans, strangers & the poor (Deut. 14:22-29).
3. The priests were also commanded by God to pay tithe of tithes to God, that is the priests are to pay tithes to God from the tithes the Israelites have paid to them. (Num. 18:26-29). Note the tithes which the priests will give to God must be offered as "HEAVE OFFERING" not money offering.

DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with DOES THE BIBLE COMMANDS TODAY'S CHRISTIANS TO PAY TITHES?.

We can clearly see from the Bible that Judaism is different from Christianity. The New Covenant is superior & better than the Old Covenant with better promises. Heb. 8: 6-7, 2 Cor. 3:6-16). 

Bible says if the Old Covenant was perfect enough there wouldn't have been need for the New Covenant.(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 

Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).

(Heb. 8: 7-13). The Old Testament & all it stands for were mere SHADOW of things to come but the New Testament is the real image. Heb.(10:1). 
Tithes & all Old Testament Practices & Doctrines have been abolished (Heb. 8:13)
(Heb.10:9) (2 Cor. 3:6-16) (Col. 2 : 14-17).
Christians are not commanded to pay tithes today but to give a free will offerings as they are blessed. No levying of any kind. Give what you have.

BUT JESUS SAID HE DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW & THE PROPHETS.

This statement must be well understood not taken in isolation & out of context. Luke clarifies this issue better. (Lk.24: 45-49). In effect Jesus was not saying that he came to destroy nor re-establish the law but to "FULFILL" all that were written about him in the law of Moses, in the Prophets & in the Psalm. And Jesus Indeed has fulfilled all the prophecies concerning him, including his birth, death, burial, resurrection & ascension as prophesied. 

Again in Matt. 23:23 Jesus rebuked the Scribes & Pharisees & he said woe unto them & called them hypocrites for over-emphasizing the payment of tithes at the expense of the weighter matters of the law: mercy, judgement & righteousness. 

Jesus was NOT in this instance recommending tithe payment for his disciples & the New Testament Christians He was rightly addressing the Jews who were given the law he wouldn't have said woe & called his disciples hypocrites. At that time Christ will or Testament wasn't yet in full force. Christ will & Testament became fully in force & enforceable after his death on the cross because there can be no testament except the testator dies. Wills can only be enforceable after he who wrote the wills dies. (Heb. 9:15-23). 

So at Christ's death on the cross the law of tithe & other Old Testament practices ceased to be effective. In effect CHRIST became the only standard of faith for Christians today & no longer the Old Testament. (2 Cor. 3:6-14).

Stallion93:
No need to read your long epistle
U can never ever be successful without paying tithe! What are yoy thinking? You want to Rob God? U no dey fear??!
If not for tithe, i would have lost in MMM like others, but for my tithe, I cashed out big time, Own 3 houses in Banana island now, proceeds from MMM cause of tithe.
Abeg use 1 eye peep my signature

chijokz:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the only person who benefits and prospers is the account owner in which all tithes and offerings are paid into. Hypothetically, let's say a church has 200 members that earn $50,000 per annum and all pay their tithes of 10% which leaves them with $45,000 while total tithes paid into the pastor's account is 200x5,000 = $1,000,000 per annum.
That's why pastors will defend and continue to preach the tithing doctrine indefinitely.

sowilli:
would you preferred to be circumcised or uncircumcised?

delkuf:
No body can obey God's law by himself. many of those people criticizing bishop oyedepo for what are only doing it to cover there own shame of not being able to pay there tithe. I repeat, if you can't obey God in tithing, that means you can't fully obey God

HARDDON:
Usually, I'd ignore these unnecessary arguments because I believe, as the Bible says, no man that puts his hands into the plough and looks back is fit t means, if you say you follow God, follow him in all ramifications. Not Selectively. Not when it is convenient. Paying lips service and when a lil challenge to your belief arise, you dock like a drenched rat.
Let your still small voice lead you. Don't drive your car with another's Headlamp. Talk to your God. Ask him questions.

Before I disect your thoughts, let me say that the only thing that contest with God in our lives is marjorly money and because, the fallen man is inherently selfish, he would uphold the saying ;

Touch not my money pocket no g that the gospel that says seed time and harvest asebr

MightySparrow:
Wrong. there is no church that their members don't contribute money call it any name. All you see is hypocricy on Nairaland. Tithe as far as know about my own church is paid by my pastor who himself doesn't run the church account or draw money from it but lives on gifts from members from which he pays his own to pay church workers.

delkuf:
If you can't obey God with your tithe, that means you will find it difficult to fully obey God. those people that are shouting I will give my tithe to the poor and how faithful are they with it. they are not faithful with it. give God ten percent that is not too much to ask now

lexy2014:
How is zaqat tithe?

delkuf:
If you can't obey God with your tithe, that means you will find it difficult to fully obey God. those people that are shouting I will give my tithe to the poor and how faithful are they with it. they are not faithful with it. give God ten percent that is not too much to ask now

HedwigesMaduro:
The question is off the point. Are we talking preferences here or commandment of God. It's like asking me if I'd rather eat an agama lizard or beef. I'd rather eat beef, didn't mean those eating the agama are sinning for doing that. Hope it's clear to you?

Dotng:
Take it easy. No be fight.

Kobojunkie:
Do you obey God with your Tithe? This is what God said you should do with your Tithe ... Have you ever done exactly what God commanded you to do with your tithe, ever?

Below is the tithing law as defined in the Old Covenant... This is the law.... all pieced together, and the word of God commanding you to obey His commandment. Tell us what aspect you have obeyed in your years as a tither


This is what God told you to do with the Tithe He commanded of you.





Remember what God said about His commandment and what blessings and curses come to those who obey OR disobey His commandments as Stipulated.



Abeg make people hear word o'jare~!

sowilli:
many of you miss the mystery of tithing. There are somethings that don’t answer to Gods prayer but God has given nature the power to make them available as long as humans obey the laws. For instance, Imagine if man decides to destroy and kill all the plants in the whole world, will he have oxygen to breathe, even if he prays for a hundred years will he? It’s same with prosperity. It only answers to giving and one of the giving is tithing. If you are opportune with 100 non Christian billionaires, you will find out they all tithe. I have heard Alhaijis bringing millions of into the church. Do you think Dangote visited that pastor when his wife died because of just visit.They have a relationship and many of this rich Muslims tithe. It’s not only Christians that tithe. Don’t bother about what a pastor makes, do your part of the law. The problem is there are fake prophets who are just out for tithes and this abuse. There will always be fake prophets btw. Remember the case of Eli’s sons. Tithing is a law everyone who aspire to be wealthy must obey! Please google Rhonda Byrne ... she is not a pastor

NairaMaster1:
You asked for correction:

They don't pay tithes to pastor's account. They pay tithes to church accounts.

Some pastors are not even signatory to such accounts.