SegFault:

I am an atheist.

Janosky:


Emmnprince done tear race komot.
The Trinitarian website studylight.org RUBBISHED his Acts 20:28 FRAUD, he saw their screenshot

Janosky:


Jesus 5:37 ,3:16 Jesus Christ CONFESSED God his Father NEVER came to earth to die for man.

Acts 20:28 correctly said Lord , Trinitarian FRAUDSTERS inserted "God" there.
The same manner these FRAUDSTERS inserted "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16.
The screenshots below speaks for itself

sonofElElyon:
that's why I said you don't understand the doctrine of Trinity. I clearly stated in my earlier post that Jesus is one with God and the Holy Spirit IN UNITY (not in number).. He is God because of the reasons I stated earlier. same with the Holy Spirit who is a person and not a force!
Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same nature, attributes power and essence with the Father and pre existed all other things and beings. The triune God jointly created all things and the Bible is filled with verses to that effect.. Regarding the issue of Christ having a beginning, that was in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came to existence... it is clear that if Christ is the Son of God He must've proceeded from the Father.. the only analogy / illustration I can think of is the amoeba that replicates itself asexually.. That is why Christ is God.. He proceeded out of the Father.. Very God of God.. Very Light of Light.. Of the same essence and nature as the Father..
It also follows that the Holy Spirit is God because He is the Spirit of God and shares the same nature essence power and attributes of God, together with Jesus to the exclusion of all other beings.. Also proceeding from the Father in the dateless past before time and before any other thing or being came into existence..
It is common knowledge that Christ is almighty and so is the Holy Spirit.. that's why He said to the Father in the book of John "restore unto me the glory I had with you before the foundation of the world.. and "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven and Earth and under earth" also "ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH". remember that Paul also wrote in Hebrews "When God brought the begotten (Jesus) into the world He (God) said "let ALL the angels worship Him (Christ).
For the Holy Spirit it is clear that He is almighty for even The Father said " not by might nor by power but by my Spirit says the Lord.
Father Son and Spirit are God over all creation.. They created all things and sustain all things. The Bible says so.. I can only give few Bible verses. please Google the rest.
I hope you now understand the doctrine of the Trinity

ospido:



The Trinity doctrine says that there are 3 God's in one,God the father,the Son and the Holy Spirit and that they 1. CO-EXISTED, are 2. CO-EQUAL and are 3.CO-ETERNAL. But the Bible disagree with this concept.

1. CO-EXISTED.
Jesus is a CREATION.
God Almighty (Yahweh) created Jesus first b4 creating all other things. After his creation he joined God in creating other things just like an apprentice. Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14; and Proverbs 8:22-30.
So how can the CREATION co-exist with the CREATOR? Impossible.

2. CO-EQUAL.
i. At John 14:28, Jesus himself said "the father is greater than i am."
ii. At John 20:17, Jesus calls the father his God and the disciples God too. So Yahweh is God over Jesus and us in same way.
iii. At 1Corinthians 11:3, when discussing the hierarchy of headship said that the head of Christ is God (Yahweh).
iii. At 1Corinthians 15:27, everything is under the feet of Jesus except God (Yahweh).
iv. 1 Corinthians 15:28, Jesus himself will subject himself under God (Yahweh) that God will be all things to everyone.
v. Acts 3:13,26 says Jesus is a SERVANT of God (Amplified version: see the screenshots and reference below which is omitted in the king James version).
vi. At John 17:3, Jesus called God (Yahweh) the ONLY TRUE GOD. When you say something is "only" it means alone, "only one" and in verse 5 he prayed that God should glorify him(Jesus) side by side with God (Yahweh) the way it was b4 the beginning. Being side by side means they're 2 persons not 1 person.
vii. At Luke 22:41,42 Jesus prayed and begged God on bended knees exactly the way you and i do when we beg God on bended knees. This confirms the superiority of God over Jesus and that Jesus was helpless. Have you read anywhere where God was praying to Jesus?
Viii. Acts 7:56 After his ascension to Heaven Jesus was seen at the right Hand side of God showing that they were two persons not three. And they were seen side by side. This also confirms his earlier prayer in John 17:5 cited earlier.
In all of these how can they be equal to each other? Don't you think?

3. CO-ETERNAL.
They cannot be co-eternal because Jesus died but God cannot die.
Your illustration of Amoeba doesn't apply because if the Amoeba splits through the process of mitosis the splitter don't reunite with the parent one. But from your analogy Jesus reunited again with his father making 1+1+1=1. In Your previous comment you agreed Jesus is not Almighty God but you check this post am replying to now, you said that Jesus is Almighty God. You see, the more you try to defend the Trinity, the more you confuse yourself.
This is confusion.
And at 1Corinthians 14:33 the Bible says "God is not a God of disorder."
The Trinity doctrine is not scriptural.

sonofElElyon:
I have explained to you my own views about the doctrine of Trinity vide my post which you last mentioned. please stay out of my mentions from now.. I've spent enough time on this.. i have other things to do.. if you don't agree with me and want to continue in your error it's your choice.. I have said my piece.. we've been on this since yesterday.. I believe you people are heretics and I stand by this.. "Jesus is angel Michael" is the most ridiculous thing anyone can say.. but it's your right. your view to you and mine to me..

ospido:



The Trinity doctrine says that there are 3 God's in one,God the father,the Son and the Holy Spirit and that they 1. CO-EXISTED, are 2. CO-EQUAL and are 3.CO-ETERNAL. But the Bible disagree with this concept.

1. CO-EXISTED.
Jesus is a CREATION.
God Almighty (Yahweh) created Jesus first b4 creating all other things. After his creation he joined God in creating other things just like an apprentice. Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14; and Proverbs 8:22-30.
So how can the CREATION co-exist with the CREATOR? Impossible.

2. CO-EQUAL.
i. At John 14:28, Jesus himself said "the father is greater than i am."
ii. At John 20:17, Jesus calls the father his God and the disciples God too. So Yahweh is God over Jesus and us in same way.
iii. At 1Corinthians 11:3, when discussing the hierarchy of headship said that the head of Christ is God (Yahweh).
iii. At 1Corinthians 15:27, everything is under the feet of Jesus except God (Yahweh).
iv. 1 Corinthians 15:28, Jesus himself will subject himself under God (Yahweh) that God will be all things to everyone.
v. Acts 3:13,26 says Jesus is a SERVANT of God (Amplified version: see the screenshots and reference below which is omitted in the king James version).
vi. At John 17:3, Jesus called God (Yahweh) the ONLY TRUE GOD. When you say something is "only" it means alone, "only one" and in verse 5 he prayed that God should glorify him(Jesus) side by side with God (Yahweh) the way it was b4 the beginning. Being side by side means they're 2 persons not 1 person.
vii. At Luke 22:41,42 Jesus prayed and begged God on bended knees exactly the way you and i do when we beg God on bended knees. This confirms the superiority of God over Jesus and that Jesus was helpless. Have you read anywhere where God was praying to Jesus?
Viii. Acts 7:56 After his ascension to Heaven Jesus was seen at the right Hand side of God showing that they were two persons not three. And they were seen side by side. This also confirms his earlier prayer in John 17:5 cited earlier.
In all of these how can they be equal to each other? Don't you think?

3. CO-ETERNAL.
They cannot be co-eternal because Jesus died but God cannot die.
Your illustration of Amoeba doesn't apply because if the Amoeba splits through the process of mitosis the splitter don't reunite with the parent one. But from your analogy Jesus reunited again with his father making 1+1+1=1. In Your previous comment you agreed Jesus is not Almighty God but you check this post am replying to now, you said that Jesus is Almighty God. You see, the more you try to defend the Trinity, the more you confuse yourself.
This is confusion.
And at 1Corinthians 14:33 the Bible says "God is not a God of disorder."
The Trinity doctrine is not scriptural.

Janosky:


Yahweh NEVER tormented or tortured Adam anywhere.
Genesis 3:19, God took away the gift of life given to Adam.= Death without resurrection.
Fair enough.

Think about it
Before the sinners were born , where they existing?
In other words, before Adam was created, was he existing?
No !!!!

Romans 6:23. 2 thess1:7-9 is true to the point.
God will deprive unrepentant sinners of the gift of life He gave them.

Shikena !

Maximus69:


If you know something there will be a sign that you truly understand.

Jesus knew there will be confusion after he's gone that's why he said regarding his true followers "you will know them by their FRUIT" Matthew 7:20

Notice that he promised to send the holy spirit which will remind his followers the things he taught them and "teach them new things" {John 14:26} Jehovah's Witnesses believe this so when we say "what Jesus said in a place is not to be taken literally" all you need to consider is the FRUIT of God's holy spirit amongst those saying this.

Do they have LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigning in their midst? Galatians 5:22

If YES is the answer then you need not worry over what they're telling you, they're the ones Jesus sent the spirit to so they can remember which part is literal or not in Jesus' speeches.

So if Jehovah's Witnesses (who are exhibiting the qualities of God's holy spirit) now say what Jesus said in that part is a Parable, anyone trying to argue with them is on his own!

Mentorme:

The truth is that you have made up your mind to believe everything they told you.

Angel1696:
I concur no jw stuff should be published here pls those in favour should pls sign let's stop this mad people practicing false religion and deceiving people here.

sonofElElyon:
you must be confusing me with someone else. I never told you that! check my posts! maybe you meant that the word "Trinity" wasn't used in the Bible.. it is just a term to describe the oneness of the Father, Son and Spirit.. it simply means Tri (Three) AND (u)nity (United).. I think what you should be concerned about is the doctrine itself and what it means.. not the name by which it is called..
I think my last post was detailed enough.
All that needs to be said has been said.

DelphiOracle:
Jehovah's witnesses are not mad people. Those who are trying to give out information about them on a forum like this may end up giving out wrong information.
To get the correct info about them, check their website jw.org

nwaimoroseyaho:


U made no point at all. If the punishment for sinners is only to wipe them away from existence still there is no punishment

Since you ,nwaimoroseyaho ,an imperfect person is "wiser" than the Almighty God and reject God's word @ 2 Thess1:7-9 ,Romans 6:23, and Almighty Yahweh's Decree on sinful Adam
@ Genesis 3:19, Bros, go and write your own Bible dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

Chibae4real:




Please study and meditate the Bible very well. Read and study John chapter 1 vs 1, which says
'In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God' mean. It's a reference to the Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity - Jesus Christ, who is the Word incarnate.

chatinent:

Holyspirit as him? It's not an angel.

Myer:


Maybe you should read your bible again to confirm the pronoun used to address him.

Myer:


Maybe you should read your bible again to confirm the pronoun used to address him.

Jonasbadoo:


Jonasbadoo:
I'm not surprised, you guys only quote verses that support your brainwashed doctrines

You're just living in denial
i will send you a screenshot of that bible passage
you can keep wailing then

fredopareto:
hmm..bt dsame Bible...it is well

Jesus Christ has risen to heaven. John 20:17

Revelations 3:5,12,21 , Jesus Christ himself CONFESSED that John 4:23,24. 17:3.
Acts 3:13. Isaiah 43:10-12 . 1 Corinthians 3:23 is the truth.

Compare John 14:28, John 20:17,30-31 and Revelations 3:5,12,21.
Is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm?

Therefore, Jesus utterances of Revelations 3:5,12 in the spiritual realm is solid EVIDENCES of his inferior status in heaven as well as earth.

Trinity GIBBERISH goes straight to the Sewage Tank

Myer:


Maybe you should read your bible again to confirm the pronoun used to address him

emmnprince:



I changed location where MTN internet service didn't allow me to come online. And what made you think the Godhead is a FRAUD. It is because JW and some who misrepresented it called it FRAUD.


And you trusted it because it supported your belief. Good! I can also bring out sources more reliable that disproves your position. But the only source that is reliable to draw from is the Scriptures, the Bible, using translations that aren't biased and closer to the earlier mss.


If we are to continue like this, it will only amount to argument. I didn't want to engage you on Scriptures from the onset because it will only lead to "this is what I belief/this is what you belief." while drawing up sources that support JW beliefs, but neglecting other sources that clearly kicked against their unfounded beliefs. But you threw 2 Bible verses to catch my attention and engage me. I have reasoned online and offline with members of JW well versed in your doctrine and beliefs in-depth. Only one could admit the your erroneous position, while others, as is the manner of JW members respectfully ended the discussion when we couldn't agree on certain things. We learn from the other though!

About the trinitarian doctrine: Because the Scriptures didn't use that term doesn't mean it is a FRAUD as you put it. There are some words we use to refer to certain concepts in the Bible, like spirit/ghost, rapture, trinity, etc. Trinity means trio, three.

In this context, it means "Three Spiritual Beings that make up the Godhead, The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Colossians 2:9; Romans 1:20; Matthew 3:16, 17, Colossians 1:19, John 14:26, to mention but a few, alluded to the fact of the three Spiritual Beings and their relationship.

You only picked one verse and misinterpreted it to fit JW's doctrine without addressing others and even went as far as quoting a source to buttress your position. And you feel contented

I prefer we discuss outside NL if you want us to address Scriptures in-depth, not you drop one, I reply one.

I will respond to your 15 basic JW's belief online before Sunday.

Emusan:


Who introduced the text unto that verse?

potent5:
Don't mind them with their deceptive teachings.

Janosky:





Numbers 11:17 KJV
"And I will come down and talk with you there: and I will take of the spirit which is on you, and will put it on them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you bear it not yourself alone.



*Numbers 11:25
"And the Yahweh came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease"


...Romans 8:16,26 KJV

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


"26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

John 1:32.
“And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending like a dove, and IT abode upon him.”

Janosky:


Please continue to DECEIVE YOURSELF

Your fellow travelers on the Trinity boat confirmed that Jonasbadoo is living in denial and DELUSION

The Screenshots of new king James Bible footnotes and Studylight.org dey DISGRACE you

Maximus69:


Jesus is the one saying those things, and he spoke so many times using idiomatic expressions.
Jesus used pronoun like "HER" for Wisdom! Luke 7:35
"Her" for Babylon the Great. Revelations 17:16
Jesus used terms peculiar with living things for Death and Grave saying they were thrown into FIRE! Revelations 20:14

So only those who understands his terms will be able to produce the FRUIT of God's holy spirit, no matter how others argue they can never produce that FRUIT!

DappaD:

Personalisation doesn't prove personality most of the time.
Sin and death are said to rule as kings.(Romans 5:14, 21)
But they aren't humans, are they?

Janosky:


femi4:
The gathering is not referred to as Kingdom hall

The gathering is called CHURCH"

Femi4 dey DECEIVE you Ooo ooo.
He made a False claim.
JWs gathering is called an Assembly or Congregation, synonyms for Ekklesia, Church.

Kingdom Hall is a name for the building where JWs Congregate.