delkuf:
Show me a new testament chapter with this type of message

O! Sorry the Lord of New Testament is different from that of old Testament abi?

AntiChristian:


O! Sorry the Lord of New Testament is different from that of old Testament abi?

Yes they are different. And if you can't understand this because of your bias mind, you can at least understand this with the title, old testament and new testament. We don't need to start schooling you on this now

delkuf:
Yes they are different. And if you can't understand this because of your bias mind, you can at least understand this with the title, old testament and new testament. We don't need to start schooling you on this now

I don't have a bias mind. You have two Gods. The God of the Old Testament and the God of the New testament.

It's either the God of the New Testament displaced that of the OT or maybe the God of the OT changed his mind.

Can you tell us why the Lord became gentle in NT?

advocatejare:


First, what I wrote was "the Quran was written about 20 years after Muhammad had died" and not what the liar you has twisted it to be.

Secondly, you've proven yourself to be very ignorant about your religion, instead of taking time to study the religion you practice, na Christian matter you carry for head.

Now let me teach you.

Muhammad died in 632 AD

Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.

The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.

During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)


But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.

So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa
"...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510


So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.


"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D.20years after Muhammad had died

[b]Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received

WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?

Antichristian as usual I knew you would use tactical withdrawal to avoid commenting on this exposé

I won't stop teaching you about your religion

advocatejare:


Antichristian as usual I knew you would use tactical withdrawal to avoid commenting on this exposé

I won't stop teaching you about your religion

Copy and paste am in the other thread where you were asking who was the first Muslim!

Teacher Olodo! Na F9 you score here!

AntiChristian:


I don't have a bias mind. You have two Gods. The God of the Old Testament and the God of the New testament.

It's either the God of the New Testament displaced that of the OT or maybe the God of the OT changed his mind.

Can you tell us why the Lord became gentle in NT?

I made a mistake with that post. There is only one God in two different dispensation. In the time of old testament, the children of Israel were under the law. And like every other law, if you disobey, you will be punished. God never created man like this. it was when Adam and Eve sinned we were brought to this point. those killing is because God has sworn to kill any one that came the way of the children of Israel. He said he will bless any body that bless them and curse any body that curse them. It is a bad thing to be an enemy of the children of Israel. Whatsoever God says he fulfill. But when the Lord Jesus Christ came and die for our sin, it brought us into another dispensation. this is the dispensation of grace brought us closer with God. that is why God became gentle like you said.

delkuf:
I made a mistake with that post. There is only one God in two different dispensation. In the time of old testament, the children of Israel were under the law. And like every other law, if you disobey, you will be punished. God never created man like this. it was when Adam and Eve sinned we were brought to this point. those killing God has sworn to kill any one that came the way of the children of Israel. He said he will bless any body that bless them and curse any body that curse them. It is a bad thing to be an enemy of the children of Israel. Whatsoever God says he fulfill. But when the Lord Jesus Christ came and die for our sin, it brought us into another dispensation. this is the dispensation of grace brought us closer with God. that is why God became gentle like you said.

SO IN SHORT YOUR GOD IS NOT THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND TOMORROW ABI?

AntiChristian:

SO IN SHORT YOUR GOD IS NOT THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND TOMORROW ABI?

Didn't you read what I said

delkuf:
Didn't you read what I said

Yes, i did!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

But your God changed from being brutal to being merciful as you said.

AntiChristian:


Yes, i did!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

But your God changed from being brutal to being merciful as you said.

Does that mean he changed. it means he choose to deal with us differently. You are good with the Bible. only if you can read with a open mind

delkuf:
Does that mean he changed. it means he choose to deal with us differently. You are good with the Bible. only if you can read with a open mind

He actually changed. I don't think there's fairness in the change though!

Some say Jesus is God. Jesus didn't change as Hebrew 13:8 says. But God changed as you said.

From what you said God does not create disaster again like in the OT.

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD (i.e Yahweh Jehovah), do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

AntiChristian:


He actually changed. I don't think there's fairness in the change though!

Some say Jesus is God. Jesus didn't change as Hebrew 13:8 says. But God changed as you said.

From what you said God does not create disaster again like in the OT.

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD (i.e Yahweh Jehovah), do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

What is question here.

delkuf:
What is question here.

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

AntiChristian:


Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

I never told you God changed. please don't misquote me. I told because of the love he has for his son and the price the son paid for our sins, the distance and the offence of man before God was done away. Man sinned and the price of that sin is for someone who hasn't sin to die for man. Now when the Lord Jesus Christ came and died for the sin of man, that barrier between God and God was distory. Man now had the grace to move closer to God. The killings in the old testament due to the sins of man made gave us a law.

delkuf:
I never told you God changed. please don't misquote me. I told because of the love he has for his son and the price the son paid for our sins, the distance and the offence of man before God was done away. Man sinned and the price of that sin is for someone who hasn't sin to die for man. Now when the Lord Jesus Christ came and died for the sin of man, that barrier between God and God was distory. Man now had the grace to move closer to God. The killings in the old testament due to the sins of man made gave us a law.

Let's leave argument. This is a big change.

AntiChristian:


Let's leave argument. This is a big change.

Let's leave argument, is not a change. God never change. Now, let's look at it this way, if you obey God and serve him, God says he will bless you and if you don't God instead of blessings, curses you. will you say God changed because he curses those that didn't obey him

AntiChristian:


Copy and paste am in the other thread where you were asking who was the first Muslim!

I asked you this first but you ran away from it.

Now that you're back oya address what you ran away from.

advocatejare:


Antichristian as usual I knew you would use tactical withdrawal to avoid commenting on this exposé

I won't stop teaching you about your religion

Where did you got these information from?
Anyways these are facts documented by muslim scholars and historians. So i dont think you are saying anything new.

The compilation of the qur'an and "Harakalization" was introduced to standardized words and meanings of the qur"an because, the language of the qur"an is not exactly the same with everyday Arabic language. Some times words are mispronounced by reciters, thereby changing the meaning.

AntiChristian:


I don't know why you have been seeking your relevance with Islam. But your God was accepting most of these things before He changed his mind in the new testament. Many people even Jesus put their face to the ground in worship! Can you briefly tell me about the tabernacle in the OT? Of what relevance was it? What rituals/prayers, etc was done in respect of it? So many things happen in the OT till your Lord changed in the NT.

An astronaut will be able to locate the Qiblah either with a compass or at worst face anywhere if it is no possible to locate it. Some Muslims pray while standing, some sitting and some lying down according to one's ability. Alhamdulillah, Islamic rules are Islamic rules and it changes for no one.

Alhamdulillah for Islam.

And who told you God changed his mind? if christianity was like the cult islam we would have you beheaded for saying that.
You have no idea what justice is but you judge others and stone them to death ignorantly thinking you do Gods work.

In the creation story of the Bible why do you think God kept "the forbidden fruit in the garden" and told Adam if he eats it he would die?
...not my will but thine will...the will of God is man should choose for himself, good or evil; God does not force us to be good. Adam chose to disobey, the isrealites chose to crucify Jesus.

If you choose to marry a 13 year old (because she consented...someone that has no idea what life is supposed to be like), and get her pregnant and she dies during child birth, you have obeyed your Allah right? but have you done good or evil?

Zech 3:1-5 gives an example that we all are unclean in the eyes of God, so saying God accepted those things are wrong, no matter how hard we try personally we still commit alot of sins in ignorance.

So the command God has given us is to live in love for one another, and for God. That has been the command from the beginning, everything else is only a guide.

The tabernacle is place prayers are made by the priests, its an earthly representation of the Throne of Heaven. What has changed is only our understanding of God. That is what Jesus came to do according to Isaiah 42:1-7.

AntiChristian:


Yeah just like Elijah but without a Chariot of flame!

Do you know Jesus Christ more than Christians and Bible?

veeshock:


And who told you God changed his mind? if christianity was like the cult islam we would have you beheaded for saying that.
You have no idea what justice is but you judge others and stone them to death ignorantly thinking you do Gods work.

Of cos if we use the Old Testament's law then that will be possible. But those laws of the OT is no more applicable as the father has changed his mind on the coming of his son to redeem mankind. God authorized the killings of people for blasphemy in the OT. Why didn't this remain in the NT?
So what does Hebrew 13:8 that says "Jesus Christ, the same Yesterday, today and tomorrow" mean?

Actually your God did change!
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Numbers 23:19

veeshock:

In the creation story of the Bible why do you think God kept "the forbidden fruit in the garden" and told Adam if he eats it he would die?
...not my will but thine will...the will of God is man should choose for himself, good or evil; God does not force us to be good. Adam chose to disobey, the isrealites chose to crucify Jesus.

The aim of Jesus coming on earth is for him to be crucified according to the Bible (John 3:16 + Isaiah 9:6). Judas and others just helped the mission which is a credit for them. Everything rest with God. Whatever seems good or bad to us comes from God.
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

veeshock:

If you choose to marry a 13 year old (because she consented...someone that has no idea what life is supposed to be like), and get her pregnant and she dies during child birth, you have obeyed your Allah right? but have you done good or evil?

Actually in Islam, there's no marriage age for a woman. But the rule is not to harm anyone. And I have seen young girls getting pregnant and giving birth without complications. This doesn't solely depend on age. If she dies during Childbirth don't older women die similarly?
Can you give us the marriage age in the Bible for Eve? Hagar? Rebekah? Mary?

So in the absence of any clear cut age for marriage why create a ruse since Islam has it's own ruling?
You have no laws. And even the ones you have from the OT you seldom use except tithes.

veeshock:

Zech 3:1-5 gives an example that we all are unclean in the eyes of God, so saying God accepted those things are wrong, no matter how hard we try personally we still commit alot of sins in ignorance.

So the command God has given us is to live in love for one another, and for God. That has been the command from the beginning, everything else is only a guide.

The tabernacle is place prayers are made by the priests, its an earthly representation of the Throne of Heaven. What has changed is only our understanding of God. That is what Jesus came to do according to Isaiah 42:1-7.

Good! Gone are those days when your Lord accept worship with Tabernacle. Your Lord has really changed.

ANTIlSLAM:


Do you know Jesus Christ more than Christians and Bible?

Which Bible do you know? Is it not the Holy spirit that guides you led you to call me Mugu before?

mhmsadyq:



Where did you got these information from?
Anyways these are facts documented by muslim scholars and historians. So i dont think you are saying anything new.

The compilation of the qur'an and "Harakalization" was introduced to standardized words and meanings of the qur"an because, the language of the qur"an is not exactly the same with everyday Arabic language. Some times words are mispronounced by reciters, thereby changing the meaning.

Do you think this one truly wants a response? He will keep rejecting your response and bringing non-issues till he abuses you.

AntiChristian:


Which Bible do you know? Is it not the Holy spirit that guides you led you to call me Mugu before?

I see they're now playing penalty inside your brain, who called you Mugu? Is like your sight organ now malfunctioning

delkuf:
Let's leave argument, is not a change. God never change. Now, let's look at it this way, if you obey God and serve him, God says he will bless you and if you don't God instead of blessings, curses you. will you say God changed because he curses those that didn't obey him

Why do we need a NT and we don't need the OT again? (God does not change)

God has been saving people before Christ came. So why do we need God to come and die again? (God does not change)

OT supports Judaism while NT supports Christianity! (God does not change)

Is Jesus a Judaist or a Christian? (God does not change)

ANTIlSLAM:


I see they're now playing penalty inside your brain, who called you Mugu? Is like your sight organ now malfunctioning

What does wery asinwin etc mean? Let me just report u sef.

AntiChristian:


Which Bible do you know? Is it not the Holy spirit that guides you led you to call me Mugu before?

allah must by fire by force return your sight organ to be able to see clearly and to be able to see the person that called you mugu or mugun

AntiChristian:


What does wery asinwin etc mean? Let me just report u sef.

What does mugun and ignoramus mean? So it pain u abi oya report your dad nah

AntiChristian:


Why do we need a NT and we don't need the OT again? (God does not change)

God has been saving people before Christ came. So why do we need God to come and die again? (God does not change)

OT supports Judaism while NT supports Christianity! (God does not change)

Is Jesus a Judaist or a Christian? (God does not change)

Answer my question. Will you say because God that says he will bless those that obey him and curse those that dont, that God changed

mhmsadyq:



Where did you got these information from?
Anyways these are facts documented by muslim scholars and historians. So i dont think you are saying anything new.

The compilation of the qur'an and "Harakalization" was introduced to standardized words and meanings of the qur"an because, the language of the qur"an is not exactly the same with everyday Arabic language. Some times words are mispronounced by reciters, thereby changing the meaning.

So you've agreed that the Quran Muhammad received has been tampered with, so where is the original Quran given to muhammad without diacritical and standardization by any human being

delkuf:
Answer my question. Will you say because God that says he will bless those that obey him and curse those that dont, that God changed

Was God doing that before? If not, then it's a change.

AntiChristian:


Of cos if we use the Old Testament's law then that will be possible. But those laws of the OT is no more applicable as the father has changed his mind on the coming of his son to redeem mankind. God authorized the killings of people for blasphemy in the OT. Why didn't this remain in the NT?
So what does Hebrew 13:8 that says "Jesus Christ, the same Yesterday, today and tomorrow" mean?

Actually your God did change!
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Numbers 23:19


The aim of Jesus coming on earth is for him to be crucified according to the Bible (John 3:16 + Isaiah 9:6). Judas and others just helped the mission which is a credit for them. Everything rest with God. Whatever seems good or bad to us comes from God.
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7



Actually in Islam, there's no marriage age for a woman. But the rule is not to harm anyone. And I have seen young girls getting pregnant and giving birth without complications. This doesn't solely depend on age. If she dies during Childbirth don't older women die similarly?
Can you give us the marriage age in the Bible for Eve? Hagar? Rebekah? Mary?

So in the absence of any clear cut age for marriage why create a ruse since Islam has it's own ruling?
You have no laws. And even the ones you have from the OT you seldom use except tithes.




Good! Gone are those days when your Lord accept worship with Tabernacle. Your Lord has really changed.

Smh...you really need Jesus in your life dude....back to Eden God told man the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he would surely die. When the woman caught in adultery was brought to Jesus in Jn 8:1-11, and they asked what should be done to her and Jesus said whoever is without sin should stone her to death. What do you think has changed? Is it God or mans understanding of the Law? Did Jesus say no one should stone her?

We all have sinned one way or the other without getting caught or not and we were not stoned to death, why then should we conspire to stone someone else when we are all guilty of sin!

You like to claim your Allah is Most Merciful, why then does he command people to go about killing those who refuse to accept muhammed? Would killing them make them change? How about giving them more time if any would come around?

The work of judging people is one for God because only Him has no sin. Jesus Christ came to show us the way as the Light and to bring us Salvation as the Spotless Lamb.

Islam promotes child marriage since muhammed did same and he is the ideal muslim according t0 you. From common knowledge it is known teenage pregnancy is one particularly with very high risks of complications and so should be abolished.

The Bible clearly says a woman should be married when she is matured in 1st Cor 7:36.

How can you say we have no laws? Love your neighbour as you love yourself, love The Lord your God with all your heart and your strength, do you have any law better?