Panther7:
Exactly

So let's say if the Glazers were to spend their own money too, we probably may have spent around 1b in the last 5 years right?

MRTA7:


Well if they dont service the debt. The banks own the club.

so its not their money.

I dont see Liverpool, City etc with the same issue.

Oh

Okay got it

eph12:

But I'm looking at the data now, and we have spent more than everyone in the epl except city. I think this is the major issue here and not how they bought the club or how they are spending the club's money. What I'm looking at now is how bad we have been when it comes to spending money on transfers

We generate more money that any other club in the EPL so it's logical we spend more money, the problem is United should be spending more but can't due to The glazers model of business as Afrodoc has explained. United pay the Glazers a consultancy fee of 10M every year, What kind of Consultancy United is the only club that pays it's owners consultancy fee!

eph12:

So let's say if the Glazers were to spend their own money too, we probably may have spent around 1b in the last 5 years right?

Maybe we would have Neymar and/or Mbappe OR been able to get Ororo back. Anyway the Glazers crippled the club long ago.

Then if we go into the details of how the money was spent or misspent, they are the ones who have allowed a finance man who knows nothing about football to be in charge of our transfers.

eph12:

So let's say if the Glazers were to spend their own money too, we probably may have spent around 1b in the last 5 years right?

Yes but they don't, Even the Russian oligarch puts his personal money into chelshit including transfer fees, Everything that has to do with money making comes from United not the Glazers. Finally they have take over a billion out of the club since their ownership and nothing pumped into the club while City's owners have pumped over a billion into the club since they took over see the difference?

afrodoc2:


Maybe we would have Neymar and/or Mbappe OR been able to get Ororo back. Anyway the Glazers crippled the club long ago.

Then if we go into the details of how the money was spent or misspent, they are the ones who have allowed a finance man who knows nothing about football to be in charge of our transfers.

And this is just because they've had a play catch up. In Fergie's last 4 or so years we were barely spending despite needing significant investment. Especially after selling Cristiano.

afrodoc2:


Maybe we would have Neymar and/or Mbappe OR been able to get Ororo back. Anyway the Glazers crippled the club long ago.

Then if we go into the details of how the money was spent or misspent, they are the ones who have allowed a finance man who knows nothing about football to be in charge of our transfers.

Yeah about Ed, I wonder where they brought that guy from. He's very cunny

eph12:

So let's say if the Glazers were to spend their own money too, we probably may have spent around 1b in the last 5 years right?

Truth is the Glazers werent even that rich to fund united. At the time they bought us they were probably around a billion dollars net worth for the whole family. United were valued at more than that. Compared to Roman and The Man City owners they werent rich at all. Its the money from united they have been using to fund all their other ventures which has now put them in the 5b range. still not close to Roman and the Shieks.

MRTA7:


Truth is the Glazers werent even that rich to fund united. At the time they bought us they were probably around a billion dollars net worth for the whole family. United were valued at more than that. Compared to Roman and The Man City owners they werent rich at all. Its the money from united they have been using to fund all their other ventures which has now put them in the 5b range. still not close to Roman and the Shieks.

One thing is sure. If the club's fortune doesn't change in the next 5 years, the revenue will drop. May be by then they will get serious, it better still be forced to sell to one of those Saudi Prince

eph12:

Yeah about Ed, I wonder where they brought that guy from. He's very cunny

Ed Woodward is the one that facilitated the deal that made the Glazers owners. That's why he is the CEO, reward of the hardwork done in the past

My point is, you cannot absolve the Glazers of blame because "They have spent money". There is a lot of blame to be passed around to explain why United are where they are right now.

The ownership shows we are just a club serving profits for the owners. They are pretty much doing the minimum required to keep the club's strong brand and cash flowing to keep the profits coming.

The ownership is the reason we have Ed, someone who knows nothing about football to be in charge of one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Ed has done well on the Business side of the club but the football side he should have no hand in. A lot of our operations shows amateur hour. We simply do not know how to operate like big club anymore and havent since SAF. Even SAF was propping the club up with his work despite having his hand tied behind his back. Maybe he knew he had to accept the Glazers because he's a major reason they were able to buy the club. so he also has a hand in this current state.

This is before we even get to the football side which is a whole other conversation but a lot of these issues can be traced back to the owners.

MRTA7:
My point is, you cannot absolve the Glazers of blame because "They have spent money". There is a lot of blame to be passed around to explain why United are where they are right now.

The ownership shows we are just a club serving profits for the owners. They are pretty much doing the minimum required to keep the club's strong brand and cash flowing to keep the profits coming.

The ownership is the reason we have Ed, someone who knows nothing about football to be in charge of one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Ed has done well on the Business side of the club but the football side he should have no hand in. A lot of our operations shows amateur hour. We simply do not know how to operate like big club anymore and havent since SAF. Even SAF was propping the club up with his work despite having his hand tied behind his back. Maybe he knew he had to accept the Glazers because he's a major reason they were able to buy the club. so he also has a hand in this current state.

This is before we even get to the football side which is a whole other conversation but a lot of these issues can be traced back to the owners.

100% co-sign.

But with all the money they've removed. When dem go pay finish.

Abi how much them buy the club, how much them don pay the bank.

Expert17 food don land ooo

De Gea has to sit up now

Sniper4real:
But with all the money they've removed. When dem go pay finish.

Abi how much them buy the club, how much them don pay the bank.

They bought the club for 750M when they will finish paying no one knows.

Expert17:


Bruno did the magic, not OLE.

That's why after every defeat, you will hear something like "we need quality additions"

God, this is the hilarious

so it's KDB that does the work and doesn't follow pep tatics

Bruno doesn't follow ole tactics

Sha I no dey surprised na GK I dey talk too, na to Sidon for post dey look you sabi.

we United fans deserve Lingard as AM
we are fucking ungrateful.

KingAlabi:


God, this is the hilarious

so it's KDB that does the work and doesn't follow pep tatics

Bruno doesn't follow ole tactics

Sha I no dey surprised na GK I dey talk too, na to Sidon for post dey look you sabi.

we United fans deserve Lingard as AM
we are fucking ungrateful.

If you watch Sarri's Juventus and some of those below average ex- Barcelona coaches you will understand my point.

Nezzjnr:
Expert17 food don land ooo

De Gea has to sit up now

Let's just sell him now, he will be 30 soon and currently on 375k per week.

His transfer fee and addition of his weekly wages go almost complete Sancho money. ....I don tire for the guy

Expert17:


If you watch Sarri's Juventus and some of those below average ex- Barcelona coaches you will understand my point.

please remain at your goal post make others talk reasonably .

Expert17:


Let's just sell him now, he will be 30 soon and currently on 375k per week.

His transfer fee and addition of his weekly wages go almost complete Sancho money. ....I don tire for the guy

I don't think he'll be sold anytime soon

Heard the club want to get rid of a particular Defender to get funds for Sancho

Dortmund rejected the plan of us paying 80 20 20

Expert17:


If you watch Sarri's Juventus and some of those below average ex- Barcelona coaches you will understand my point.

I watched Juve, and mentioned it here, but I don’t support your POV.

Anyone who’s good at digging posts will probably see where I mentioned some time last year that OLE’s tactics is heavily reliant on an attacking midfielder, someone that can connect the midfield with the attack.

Before Bruno came, that person was Jesse Lingard. Which was why a lot of fans clamored for Bruno Fernandes to join this club despite the scout reports of his passing ability (If you have time to dig, you’ll see it).

Bruno joined the club and made an instant impact, not just because of his quality, but because a system that fits him was already set in place.

It’s not a Bruno or OLE thing, it’s because they complement each other.

Which is also why OLE’s stylishly telling Woodward to get Sancho at all costs. Sancho will slot in at the right wing, and for a roaming front 3, he’ll fit in easily.

A team is being built here, one that can challenge for the long term. Even if OLE leaves United tomorrow, the next coach will benefit from what he has done so far, if he’s an attack-minded coach.

Nezzjnr:

I don't think he'll be sold anytime soon

Heard the club want to get rid of a particular Defender to get funds for Sancho

Dortmund rejected the plan of us paying 80 20 20

We have to be fast with Sancho's deal.

Once Barcelona offload Coutinho, Rakitic, Suarez and some other stars...they will surely look to the direction of Sancho.

Expert17:


We have to be fast with Sancho's deal.

Once Barcelona offload Coutinho, Rakitic, Suarez and some other stars...they will surely look to the direction of Sancho.

Ed will get the Deal done but it'll be on deadline day

Dortmund too stubborn jare

BikeMan:
When you splash money on Slabhead and Slide tackler

Yoonited still looking to splash more.

PSG are wise in their spendings

Sevilla beat this one and they all turned financial analysts. Make una go pump your money for Yoonited now if you are not satisfied with the Glaziers

Expert17:


We have to be fast with Sancho's deal.

Once Barcelona offload Coutinho, Rakitic, Suarez and some other stars...they will surely look to the direction of Sancho.

You think it's easy to offload players like Suarez and coutinho who are on big wages? See how long it took us to offload sanchez. How many clubs are willing to buy them?

afrodoc2:


Maybe we would have Neymar and/or Mbappe OR been able to get Ororo back. Anyway the Glazers crippled the club long ago.

Then if we go into the details of how the money was spent or misspent, they are the ones who have allowed a finance man who knows nothing about football to be in charge of our transfers.

They are the real red devils.

Panther7:
You think it's easy to offload players like Suarez and coutinho who are on big wages? See how long it took us to offload sanchez. How many clubs are willing to buy them?

This is the challenge with offering massive wages to players. The moment they become a liability to the club, it becomes tough getting them off the book, not because of their ability, but because of their wages.

According to reports, Suarez has an offer from Ajax, but that comes with a significant pay cut, whether he takes it or holds Barca to ransom is solely his choice.

BikeMan:
Sevilla beat this one and they all turned financial analysts. Make una go pump your money for Yoonited now if you are not satisfied with the Glaziers

United is living rent free in your head and they aren't your club. All is well

Panther7:
They bought the club for 750M when they will finish paying no one knows.

E fit be till eternity ooh

GloryIsaac:


This is the challenge with offering massive wages to players. The moment they become a liability to the club, it becomes tough getting them off the book, not because of their ability, but because of their wages.

According to reports, Suarez has an offer from Ajax, but that comes with a significant pay cut, whether he takes it or holds Barca to ransom is solely his choice.

Same reason why I'm scared of united offering pogba a new contract, if the guy starts with his shenanigans again it will be difficult to offload him.

Panther7:
Afrodoc, Do you think part of the reasons Ferguson resigned was because he knew the Glazers couldn't keep up with the spending like City did?

Fergie retired not resigned.