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Bkayyy:
OH! So these lies were all targeted to destabilize Igbo land and confuse their identity because of Biafra. I tought I was having a historical discussion

You are having a historic discussion.

The reason you are turning history upside down is because of Biafra.

Atigba:
Ezechima, Akalaka are Idu children in Igodomigodo they are not Igbo. Igbo mean slave in our language and there are those we address as such.

Until you come back home, your ancestral home Idu. You will be rejected from every corner by the Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Anioma, Ika, Igbanke etc.

These ethnic nationalities I mentioned above are already awaken about their Idu ancestry and you will never have access to them with your fake history.They continue to reject you and your Biafra will never come.

One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called Igbo Akiri

Bkayyy:
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called
One thing about lies is that they don't stand the test of clarity.
You are yet to answer my questions, about five questions you kept on running away from whereas we have answered all your questions.
Now Mr Edo Yoruba man that is claiming idu, there is nothing like Igbanke, it is called Igbo Akiri

I have answered all your questions

Atigba:
I have answered all your questions

Incase I missed your answers, would you mind reiterating?
1.) What are the names of the two founders of Arochukwu and where are they from?
2.) Arochukwu calls herself Arọ oké Igbo, Why If Igbo was a new phenomenon?
3) why is igbuzor called Igbo bi na Uzor, if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
4) why is Akwukwu in Delta called Akwukwu Igbo if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
5.) why is it that non of these clans speak bini or have element of Bini?

For clarity purposes you can hop on the next bus from Rhamat Park to igbanke to confirm that the name is not actually Igbanke as you yoruba Edo people think but actually IGBO AKIRI

Incase you don't know, the difference between the current "Bini" people and Esan is that unlike the Bini people that were mentally subjugated by the new Yoruba Oba system that caused hostilities between Idu and their neighbours, the Esans never fell for the Yoruba Oba and as such Idu was divided and the elements of Idu persisted in Esan where the four market days introduced by nri migrants are in full practice, Esan maintained the Nri sacred and spiritual system thus making now Yoruba accultured Bini people to see them as fetish and witches

Bkayyy:
God of mercy, did you just mention arochukwu, abam and ohafia in this your edo and idu joke.
It's like you don't know why ohafia, abam and arochukwu forces came to the northern sphere of Igbo land. No need to educate you, just know that had it been that Edo was closer to southern Igbo land, the head of Oba of Benin will be among the three heads on the tray used in ohafia war dance.
Ask your ancestors the reason why non Igbos don't cross the Niger river. Or better, ask ibibio and ijaws who arochukwu, ohafia and abam are

The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

Bkayyy:
Incase I missed your answers, would you mind reiterating?
1.) What are the names of the two founders of Arochukwu and where are they from?
2.) Arochukwu calls herself Arọ oké Igbo, Why If Igbo was a new phenomenon?
3) why is igbuzor called Igbo bi na Uzor, if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
4) why is Akwukwu in Delta called Akwukwu Igbo if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
5.) why is it that non of these clans speak bini or have element of Bini?

Arochukwu and others migrated from Iduland with relatives, women, and host of others. I cant give you details of the founder of clans inside Arochukwu.

All these tribes you mentioned above, similar thing happening now, you want to false a slave name Igbon down the neck of every ethnic nationalities in the south.

Anioma reject you, they are not Igbo, Ikweree, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Ika, Igbanke etc.

I have listed the group who migrated southward Igbo Aro and the rest for you. They were individuals who founded communities, they meant aborigine and i wont be surprised if the so called Igbon culture rubboff on them.

Idu language is spoken in Igodomigodo till date, if you call it similar language with Igbon.

OfoIgbo:
The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

I thought you are going to cite a peer review article for me, rather a link written by a fraud just the same with the writer of this essay.

The kingdom known in southern Nigeria are Benin and Oyo Empire. I don't know why you people are trying to rewrite history.


Yes Nri is a descendant of Idu from Igodomigodo. Our son Eri founded the so called oldest Igbo ancient kingdom in 9 century AD.

I am happy you people admit you dont know where Eri migrated from.

Read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri

TAO11:
I’ve obviously broken someone’s heart.

Anyways, make sure to “rEpLy” with substantiated established historical conclusions, preferably with academic/scholarly references.

Don’t type up the kinds of unreferenced and unacademic Nollywood scripts & imaginations you’ve put up here and expect that you will earn my attention.
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But to respond to your video, below is an academic commentary from neutral observers (who obviously are neither Edo nor Yoruba) based on early accounts:

Focus specifically on the time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38 for maximum satisfaction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI

Here we go again, you showing me Ife bronze vs Benin bronze tingz. Both kingdoms can be measuring their d!cks on that topic. They are age mates bronze work-wise. Way younger in bronze art than the Nris whose bronze works date back to the 9th century. I know some historians are saying that the Igbo-Nkwo artworks could be more ancient than the 9th century being ascribed, while others are saying it could more recent.

Those that feel the Igbo-Nkwo works are not that old, in fact say that it could be as late as the 11th century, which is still centuries older than both Benin and Ife works.

I will let you have fun with your Benin empire mates with the Bronze work issue. Of course, I have not come across any Benin person debunking the bronze work claim.
But every other claim Yorubas have made, over Benin have been totally debunked by Benin people.

Americans are learning and enjoying the Nigerian Afro-juju music. That doesn't make Nigeria an older country than the US, nor does it make Nigeria, a more civilised country than the US. US has had greater impact on the world scene than Nigeria, Afro-juju music or not.

Expect my reply soon, to the writeup you sent out some days ago, trying to change EAST to WEST

OfoIgbo:
Here we go again, you showing me Ife bronze vs Benin bronze tingz. Both kingdoms can be measuring their d!cks on that topic. They are age mates bronze work-wise. Way younger in bronze art than the Nris whose bronze works date back to the 9th century. I know some historians are saying that the Igbo-Nkwo artworks could be more ancient than the 9th century being ascribed, while others are saying it could more recent.

Those that feel the Igbo-Nkwo works are not that old, in fact say that it could be as late as the 11th century, which is still centuries older than both Benin and Ife works.

I will let you have fun with your Benin empire mates with the Bronze work issue. Of course, I have not come across any Benin person debunking the bronze work claim.
But every other claim Yorubas have made, over Benin have been totally debunked by Benin people.

Americans are learning and enjoying the Nigerian Afro-juju music. That doesn't make Nigeria an older country than the US, nor does it make Nigeria, a more civilised country than the US. US has had greater impact on the world scene than Nigeria, Afro-juju music or not.

Expect my reply soon, to the writeup you sent out some days ago, trying to change EAST to WEST

Stop pretending you didn’t know why I shared the video. You know exactly why. You’re only trying desperately to deceive the passive reader who may not bother to check the video at the time-stamp I stated.

You’re trying to deceive the passive reader into thinking that my point was merely about bronzes. No, I am not merely showing you Ife bronzes vs Benin bronzes which descended from the Ife ones — no, that’s not my point.

Instead, my point is that I am debunking your obviously skewed video emanating from an Edo source. I am debunking that by presenting you with an independent neutral source (BBC/British Museum) which states clearly (from time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38) that:

The Kings of Benin Kingdom of old paid homage to the Ooni of Ife. .

Refer again to the recommended time-stamp of the video one more time (48:22 — 48:38) for a gentle refresher.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI
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Having said that, if you need me to flood here with links to the comments regarding the Ogane, I will do so. Please be patient I will do so shortly. Now here we go:

(1) HERE I discussed the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and the scholarly disclaimers regarding their early dates.

I showed that Professor Thurstan Shaw himself (who had dated them to be early) is himself among the scholars who later issued disclaimers regarding the early dates that had been attributed to them.

And the reasons for this flood of disclaimers is because of the overwhelming evidence pointing to a much more later date.

Moreover, you lied blatantly when you said that some scholars dated them to even earlier dates. No scholar did. That is simply a pure, unadulterated, blatant lie.

Moreover, I also discussed the word “east” in the early European accounts about the “Ogané” and showed that not one of the scholars took it literally. I showed how historical scholarship has come, today, to identify this “Ogané” as none else but the Ooni of Ife.

(2) HERE I answered your contention about the “twenty moons’ journey” to Ife from Benin in olden times. I showed a clear easy-to-follow computation based on historical data. I also answered other contentions there.

Can you please likewise demonstrate with some computation if Nri was indeed some “twenty moons’ journey” away from Benin ??

(3) HERE I cited two pieces of ethnographic evidence — one showing that during certain aspects of his coronation, Yoruba tribal marks must be marked on the incoming Oba of Benin’s face using a chalk.

The other evidence shows that “Oduduwa” (NOT Ekaladerhan or Izoduwa, etc.) is a deity venerated till date in Benin Kingdom in recognition of “the oba’s paternal ancestors”.

(4) HERE I provided a detailed reply to @Karanka in relation to his good question about the meaning of the word “Ogane” to the Yorubas.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, babtoundey, BabaRamota1980

I didn't expect anything meaningful from you....I can even vouch that you didn't read through. When sane people articulate findings, it's usual for illitrates to talk down on it because they don't appreciate what they don't understand. Sorry

MelesZenawi:
There is nothing like igodomigodo.


It is a moonlight tale.


Ipobs and uselessness are like 5 and 6.

frankdoz:
THE RETURN OF SOME IGBOS THAT MIGRATED TO IDU/IGODOMIGODO AND IDAH BEFORE 800AD.

Recently I have heard a few of people who say some igbo speakers who also bear igbo native names are not igbos , some claim they came from either Benin or igala .Or some self acclaimed historians claim igbos are not of same ancestors.Some even went ahead to say igbo was imposed on them.There is a saying that a lie repeated too often will be assumed to be true.This article is to address some of the misconceptions and prove that igbos are one people, same ancestor wether your migration story is from Idu(Benin) or igala. .

1.Idah and igodomigodo/idu are part of the earliest sphere of igbo migration before 8th century AD. Migration is part of human evolution and humans are not static. Igbos have always moved from one location to the other in search of greener pastures and arable land for farming from prehistoric times and igbos are known for that even till today.

2.According to Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) ,the igbo area of southeastern Nigeria is one of the most populous region of sub-saharan Africa ,with a human density of 1,000 per square mile.In addition, in the book,cambridge history of Africa before 1600AD,it stated that the population distribution of eastern Nigeria is a high density belt.So it's not surprising that igbos from prehistoric times had migrated to Idah and Delta-Benin environs due to high population density in search for arable virgin land for farming which was there major occupation .This movement is estimated to have occurred before 8th century AD, long before the advent of kingdoms in idah and Benin which subsequently led to the recoil of these igbos back to the eastern region.

3.Igbos have formed part of the nucleus of the multiethnic population at Idah before the settling of igalas and advent of igala kingdom. Its on record, as documented by G,T BASDEN(among the igbos of Nigeria) and Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) that the awka blacksmithers travel beyond the borders of ibo country ,north into igala, ibaji, idoma,warri and beyond, casting bronze,brass iron bells,hoes,according to specifications.Most times awka blacksmithers spend months and years away from igboland plying there trade and the possibility of establishing igbo settlements at these distant places can not be ruled out.This trade is estimated to have begun before 8th century AD (igbo ukwu bronzes) but however it became apparent in the 14th century AD following excavations made at awka (D.D HARTLE, 1966 page 26),GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD page 522.

4.Awka Smith always worked alongside Nri priest(patron and founder of the Ozo title) and they made and fabricated the ozor staff(ofor) ,iron bells and other ritual staves for the Nri priest. It's on record that the Nri Influence extended beyond the igbo sphere into southern igala where igbos had earlier migrated and Idu/igodomigodo which later became Benin ,Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel).

5.Nri Influence (9AD) extended beyond the shores of igboland into south of igala and igodomigodo(igbanke igbos in present Edo state) all of which igbos had earlier migrated in prehistoric times,(according to a book GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD by M.El Fasi) .On the west of Niger River,Nri priests along side Awka blacksmithers Made Ofor wands(staffs) for igbos along that axis(from Anioma down to Benin(igbanke igbos).Ichi facial scarification were also Noted among igbos in Delta and eastern side.They maintained ties of loyalty with Nri priestly cult by cleansing grave social infractions and abominations and conferring of rights of leadership (interesting narratives of olaudah equano 1745AD and Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) .So there was a prehistoric movement of igbos up north (idah) ,followed by migration and drift downward of igala from Wakuri in Taraba (Attah of igala HRH Dr Michael Idakwo-punch 2017) and migration of some igala into northern igboland to seek refuge due to raids in the extreme north of igala by sokoto jihadists in 1834 (igbo-igala borderlands by Austin.J.Shelton page 18).Igala later(late 1800) imperial Influence on northern igboland was kept in check by activities of the Aro.

In an interview granted to Obi agbogidi chukwunwike anyasi of odumuje-unor kingdom, delta state,he clearly stated that Nri priests performed rituals at the palace of Oba of Benin (genesis of migration of Ezechima to Benin from igboland) and this point was further supported by M.D W Jeffrey in his book Oreli mask Nigerian field, volume 10.He noted that Nri priests were performing certain ritual functions at the installation of a new oba of Benin.

6.As noted by Nancy Neaher,Nri Influence extended beyond northern igboland into idah where igbo settlements had earlier dispersed(ibaji,akpanya, olamaboro) from prehistoric times before the establishment of igala kingdom .Nri priests,along side Awka blacksmithers made iron bells, hoes,armlets,leg bands in igala and took over production (Boston 1964). R.N Henderson noted in the book GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD ) that royal bells made by awka blacksmithers were included in the burial of igala kings.In exchange for the services rendered, the awka blacksmithers brought back dried fish,maize,yams,elephant hair necklaces and horses which they used for sacrifice Alusi (Nancy Neaher ). The true igala/Benin migrants Into igboland are few and mostly located at the igbo-igala ,Benin-igbanke igbos borderlands and those migrants met existing igbo settlements on ground.

7. Its important to note that the subsequent rise of igala kingdom in the north and Benin empire in south led to the decline of Nri Influence in the igbo country that span from the borders of Benin (igbanke igbos in present Edo state ) down south and akpotos(igala/idah) up north and ijaw being there closest neighbours in the Delta borders (G.T BASDEN "among the ibos of Nigeria) page 28.

8.With the rise of Benin kingdom in the south and hostilities in the kingdom, many of these igbos that had migrated there prior to this time (Ezechima, Akalaka etc) began to return home.There deliberate migration towards the east, crossing the Niger river back to Onitsha shows they knew where they came from.As already noted in the book, cambridge history of Africa before 1600AD,page 273,the density of population in eastern region was already high before 1600AD when Ezechima and family is said to have left Idu/igodomigodo. So migrating in reverse, against an already densely populated area must be a deliberate move heading home and its unlikely they arrived onitsha a virgin land.

9.Thesame recoil event Also happened with igbos already spread up north to idah.The igala kingdom and subsequent hostilities,many of these igbos returned back to Nsuka,Enugu Ezike northern igbo borders. please note.non of the said igbos that returned from Benin or idah spoke any other language on arrival to igboland except igbo.They all had igbo names and spoke igbo on arrival to igboland. No history book documented they spoke any other language other than igbo.This further proves that they had already migrated there in prehistoric times and only returned back home.As igbos have always been decentralized societies,with the priestly cult of Nri widely known and fulfilling the needs of igbos at that time all over igboland, the system of government is not military. it's not surprising if the history of early kings of agbor are from Benin. origin of kingship is not always origin of a people. The rise of igala or Benin kingdom may have Imposed some conventions among igbos within there sphere, but that doesn't take away the fact they have always been there and retained there igbo identity.

10.So contrary to what some believe that some igbos are not of same ancestor, igbos have always been one and ancestral in there land.wether your migration story says your ancestors migrated from around Benin or igala, igbos have always been igbos and those that migrated to distant places only returned back home because archaeological findings have shown igbos are aboriginal occupants of southern Nigeria with settlements dating since 3000BC.(Thurstan Shaw-Radiocabon dating in Nigeria, 1968.

By professor Ofoegbu R.N with contributions from Dr Benson and Dr Opone.C

Dated 28/7/2020.
REFERENCES:
1.G.T BASDEN "among the ibos of Nigeria ,first published 1921.
2.Cambridge history of Africa from 1600AD to 1790,first edited by Rìchard Gray,by J.D Fage.
3.GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD by M.El Fasi)
4. HRH,Obi agbogidi chukwunwike Anyasi of odumuje-unor kingdom, delta state,
5.Interesting narratives of the life of Olaudah Equano 1745AD.
6.Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel,Itinerant metalsmiths of southern Nigeria.
7.Oral tradition of UmuEri clan on the founding of igala by Eri.
8.(igbo-igala borderlands by Austin.J.Shelton page 18).

Courtesy Chris Uniman

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The most useless nonsense I have seen since I was born

Atigba:
Arochukwu and others migrated from Iduland with relatives, women, and host of others. I cant give you details of the founder of clans inside Arochukwu.

All these tribes you mentioned above, similar thing happening now, you want to false a slave name Igbon down the neck of every ethnic nationalities in the south.

Anioma reject you, they are not Igbo, Ikweree, Ekpeye, Etche, Ndoni, Ika, Igbanke etc.

I have listed the group who migrated southward Igbo Aro and the rest for you. They were individuals who founded communities, they meant aborigine and i wont be surprised if the so called Igbon culture rubboff on them.
Idu language is spoken in Igodomigodo till date, if you call it similar language with Igbon.

LOL, Arochukwu was founded after the war with ibibio, first started by Akpa forces led by Eze Agwụ who later invited a priest known as Oké Nnachi which decided the fate of the war, Arọ in turn founded some Igbo communities notably Arọ ndị Izuọgụ. I guess you don't know this one because you were busy linking Igbo communities to your yoruba blood.
Now tell me what you yoruba Edo have in common with Arọ, Ekpeye, Etche or any Igbo clan?

You can now go and open another thread of how Eze agwụ and Oké Nnachi are from your Idu and Igodomigodo.

One misconception you yoruba Edo and the real Yoruba have is that you think Igbo are not interested in history and that you can fracture their unity with historical lies

TAO11:
Stop pretending you didn’t know why I shared the video. You know exactly why. You’re only trying desperately to deceive the passive reader who may not bother to check the video at the time-stamp I stated.

You’re trying to deceive the passive reader into thinking that my point was merely about bronzes. No, I am not merely showing you Ife bronze vs Benin bronze

Rather, I am debunking your obviously skewed video emanating from an Edo source. I am debunking the by presenting you with an independent neutral source (BBC/British Museum) which states clearly (from time-stamp 48:22 — 48:38) that:

The Kings of Benin Kingdom of old paid homage to the Ooni of Ife. .

Refer again to the recommended time-stamp of the video one more time (48:22 — 48:38) for a gentle refresher.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI
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Having said that, if you need me to flood here with links to the comments regarding the Ogane I will do so. Please be patient I will do so shortly.

(1) HERE I discussed the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and the scholarly disclaimers regarding its dates. I also discussed the word “East” in the early account about the Ogane, and this how historical scholarship has come today to identify this personage as none else but the Ooni of Ife.

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But the Benin people have never backed this claim that the Oba of Benin paid homage to Ooni of Ife.
This is just a TV programme, and yet I can guarantee you that, no Benin man has ever told me that their Oba paid homage to the Ooni of Ife.

They have always denied this ever happened. Also, I will like to see the OBSERVER written detail. You mentioned that this was from observers, yet no observer was mentioned. Just one English man stating that Benin people claim that their Oba pays homage to the Ooni.
I will need that Englishman (who definitely wasn't an observer) to quote the anthropological work or OBSERVER he mentioned.
The oba of Benin couldn't be paying homage to two rulers. The ancient Obas of Benin only paid homage to the priest-king in the kingdom to the east of Benin.

Of course, I suspect there may be a relationship between Ife and Benin, owing to the fact that the Edo monarch of Ife sent his son to rule over Benin, according to tales I have heard.

But the king that authorises the crowning of any Oba, was definitely TO THE EAST OF BENIN, according to OBSERVERS. Ample evidence abound that proves that the Nris played prominent roles in the coronation of any Benin oba.

This is yet another Yoruba attempt to dominate the Benin people, otherwise show me the Benin sources that claim that their ancient Obas paid homage to the Oonis.

Mind you also, PAYING HOMAGE is definitely not the same as AUTHORISING THE CORONATION of any Oba or officiating in the coronation of any Oba.

NRI claims (all provable)
1. Obaship candidates paid homage to Eze Nri OBSERVED
2. Obaship candidates sought the blessings and the go-ahead of the Eze OBSERVED
3. Eze Nri had the power to deny or grant Obaship candidates the permission to be Obas OBSERVED
4. Eze Nri was the MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS (which obviously included Benin and Ife) OBSERVED
5. Eze Nri was a priest-king (which tallied with the records of those early explorers from Portugal) OBSERVED
6. Nri was to the EAST OF BENIN (which tallied with the records of those explorers from Portuguese captain and a foremost historian) OBSERVED

IFE claim (not proven as yet)
1. Obas of Benin paid homage to the Ooni of Ife YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE DENY THIS
2. First Oba was a Yoruba man YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE CLAIM HIS FATHER WAS FROM IGODOMIGODO (Nris were the cultural overlords of Igodomigodo btw)

And for the last time, I will never reply you if you refer to Ndigbo as "Igbon" or whatever you call it (who knows what that nonsense means). We have been referred to as ebo, ibo, eboe but never as "Igbon".
Dimkpa Bini dịka gị

mabea:
Is there a plan to recolonise some parts of Nigeria because I don't understand the reason this endless debates.........

Exactly what I was thinking. They should just steer clear of Yorubaland with their History for purposes of Land grabbing.

They have been eyeing Lagos lately.

Some Fulani were even trying to claim Southern Kaduna a few days ago Thank God everyone already knows where each others territories begins and ends.

Christistruth00:
Exactly what I was thinking. They should just steer clear of Yorubaland with their History for purposes of Land grabbing.

Bini people are looking for number

OfoIgbo:
But the Benin people have never backed this claim that the Oba of Benin paid homage to Ooni of Ife.
This is just a TV programme, and yet I can guarantee you that, no Benin man has ever told me that their Oba paid homage to the Ooni of Ife.

They have always denied this ever happened. Also, I will like to see the OBSERVER written detail. You mentioned that this was from observers, yet no observer was mentioned. Just one English man stating that Benin people claim that their Oba pays homage to the Ooni.
I will need that Englishman (who definitely wasn't an observer) to quote the anthropological work or OBSERVER he mentioned.
The oba of Benin couldn't be paying homage to two rulers. The ancient Obas of Benin only paid homage to the priest-king in the kingdom to the east of Benin.

Of course, I suspect there may be a relationship between Ife and Benin, owing to the fact that the Edo monarch of Ife sent his son to rule over Benin, according to tales I have heard.

But the king that authorises the crowning of any Oba, was definitely TO THE EAST OF BENIN, according to OBSERVERS. Ample evidence abound that proves that the Nris played prominent roles in the coronation of any Benin oba.

This is yet another Yoruba attempt to dominate the Benin people, otherwise show me the Benin sources that claim that their ancient Obas paid homage to the Oonis.

Mind you also, PAYING HOMAGE is definitely not the same as AUTHORISING THE CORONATION of any Oba or officiating in the coronation of any Oba.

NRI claims (all provable)
1. Obaship candidates paid homage to Eze Nri OBSERVED
2. Obaship candidates sought the blessings and the go-ahead of the Eze OBSERVED
3. Eze Nri had the power to deny or grant Obaship candidates the permission to be Obas OBSERVED
4. Eze Nri was the MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS (which obviously included Benin and Ife) OBSERVED
5. Eze Nri was a priest-king (which tallied with the records of those early explorers from Portugal) OBSERVED
6. Nri was to the EAST OF BENIN (which tallied with the records of those explorers from Portuguese captain and a foremost historian) OBSERVED

IFE claim (not proven as yet)
1. Obas of Benin paid homage to the Ooni of Ife YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE DENY THIS
2. First Oba was a Yoruba man YET TO BE PROVEN, AS BENIN PEOPLE CLAIM HIS FATHER WAS FROM IGODOMIGODO (Nris were the cultural overlords of Igodomigodo btw)

Everyone here can obviously tell that typing with capital letters doesn’t necessarily prove anything. Also repeating your statements infinitely many times proves nothing. What proves your point is what you haven’t done — you need to cite the scholar who said an Igbo king is the Ogane.

Now to the main thing:


Lol. The modern Benin people do not have to back it in order to continue to keep themselves under the subjugation of the Yorubas in the modern world!

What is important is that historical evidence as I have provided overwhelmingly does back it.

See more if you care:

(1) Oba Eweka (the 2nd) informed the European visitor, H.L. Ward-Price that every morning at dawn he (Oba Eweka) proceeds to make certain ritual supplications in relation to his “Oghene” (great lord) who resides in “Ife”. —— see 1st attached screenshot below which is from A.F.C. Ryder’s “A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship”.

(2) The sculpture of the then Ooni of Ife shown in the 2nd attached screenshot below is a circa 1300s sculpture excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

This is a hard evidence of Benin’s subjugation to Ife since very early times. And as I type, it can be found in the Benin Museum. — The attached screenshot is from page 77 of Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”.

Bkayyy:
LOL, Arochukwu was founded after the war with ibibio, first started by Akpa forces led by Eze Agwụ who later invited a priest known as Oké Nnachi which decided the fate of the war, Arọ in turn founded some Igbo communities notably Arọ ndị Izuọgụ. I guess you don't know this one because you were busy linking Igbo communities to your yoruba blood.
Now tell me what you yoruba Edo have in common with Arọ, Ekpeye, Etche or any Igbo clan?

Argue with your professor

Atigba:
There is no reverse migration.

The Idu children who migrated from Igodomigodo to the east were never in the east and they are not Igbo. Igbo mean Igbon in our language slave, which were used by our Idu children for the Babessi people who are immigrants from Cameroon in the east.

One of your names IBINU. In Igbo IBI NU means "IF Elephantiasis of the scrotum HEARS"

Another of your names ILO OBINU. In Igbo, it means The Way to Bitter Hearts. Basically the Road to Very wicked people

OfoIgbo:
The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

You've said it all. I told him that he is the first Benin man I've seen to openly acknowledge the existence of Idu, the rest are scared of their historical lies being shattered. They know that Idu which is present day Bini was a vassal of Nri, and Ndigbo lived and worked there as citizens of Nri. Nri was in charge of Idu spirituality. But now these contemporary Yoruba Bini people are trying to twist history, deny there yoruba ancestry and claim some Igbos. Claiming mythical migrations from their tiny bini with low population density.
For emigration to occur in ancient times the place to be emigrated from must first have a high population density (Scientifically proven) not the other way round. If to say that the mystical emigration from Bini to Igboland is true, there is supposed to be notable wars or ethnic cleansing in Igboland because the inhabitants can't share their limited space with the Bini foreigners. But there is nothing like a war between the people coming back with the natives which proves that they were merely returning home.
The funniest is how this confused fellow says that Igbo Language and customs were forcefully imposed on his acclaimed Idu citizens without references. Another one is how him from far away Edo is linking ancestry of people that knows themselves as Igbos.
Unlike ikwerre that are not certain of their history, Ohafia, Arọ Abam are notable Igbo militarized clans. The only reason we are discussing about this now is that Ohafia, Arọ and Abam are not close to Bini, if they were, by now there will be nothing like Bini.
I repeat again, by now the head of the Oba of Bini will be among the three heads used in Ohafia war dance

OfoIgbo:
One of your names IBINU. In Igbo IBI NU means "IF Elephantiasis of the scrotum HEARS"

Truth is bitter

See one of your brother

They migrated from Jerusalem,Israel.

stonemasonn:
Question..so what's the true origin of the Igbo people? are you saying they migrated southwards? me think Igbos migrated from central Africa, probably from Cameroun, Gabon or from the Congo.

Ugwuoke347:
You are a cursed entity. You shall remain a cursed idiot until you learn to feel the truth in your bossom.

Ipobs are eternally useless.

You are wrong.

The Fulanis Jihard happened in the 19th century and Igalaland was not part of the theater of the Jihard.

Igboid:
Igala is nothing but an amalgam of Igbo, Yoruba and Jukun rulers.

Your kingdom in the past was invaded by Fulani jihadists forcing you lots to migrate into Nsukka areas as fugitives and were fully assimilated by native Igbos in the region.
Infact, places like Ibaji use to be totally inhabited by Igbos, but the great influx of Igala fugitives and invaders there changed the region demographics.
The Igbo have always been a densely populated people and area. People only moved to Igboland out of desperation (wars) because we were always accommodating of fugitives.

Atigba:
Argue with your professor

One day some ignorant people might use your lies as reference. It is not hard to write, it is actually easier if they are lies.
Give a reference of where the people of ohafia, Abam, ütütü or arọ Chukwu have disputed their Igbo ancestry not a lie from an Igbo name from USA which I can't see his ancestral route and village on Google.
This is an example of people like you on nairaland that use Igbo names to insult igbo

OfoIgbo:
The history twister was even trying to link Eri and Idu, totally ignoring what the Portuguese reported when they visited Benin in the 1400s. The Benin/Idu/Igodomigodo recognized the Eze Nri as THE MOST POWERFUL MONARCH OF THESE PARTS. Now Atigba is trying to twist history by claiming that the ancestor of the Edo people, was the father of Eri, the ancestor of the Nris and other major Igbo clans. Iyasikwa

Please read the snippet below....

"Joao de Barros in his accounts wrote of a possible pre-Christian influence in ancient Benin Kingdom:- “Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us.

“In accordance with a very ancient custom, the King of Benin, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to Ogane with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor, he has succeeded to the Kingdom of Benin and request confirmation.

To signify his assent, the Prince Ogane sends the King a staff and a head piece of shining brass fashioned like a Spanish helment in place of a crown and scepter. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the KNIGHTS of the order of Saint JOHN.
Without these emblems the people do not recognize the King as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.”

“All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogane, he never sees the Prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the Prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as thought it were a sacred relic”

“As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey, the ambassador receives a small CROSS, similar to that sent to the King, which is thrown around his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes and privileged in his native country as the KNIGHTS are with us.

“In the year 1510 A.D Certain ambassadors of the king of Benin came to this kingdom, among whom was a man about seventy years of age who was wearing one of these CROSSES. I asked him the reason and he gave me an explanation similar to the above."

https://medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/

It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

Christistruth00:
It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

And Yoruba land is now in the east. Lie with caution