Christistruth00:



It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

Don't tell me that the Portuguese that sailed all the way from Europe to Africa with compass don't know the difference between East and West

Atigba:


Idu, Igodomigodo is older than Nri kingdom.

Go and question your historian about his work Prof Njoku, who is a researcher for 4 decades.

Nwokem, Nri is older than both, by many centuries.

Just this past weekend, I was in a chat with an EZE ANI from one of the core Nri towns, and we were talking about origins.
At some point in our conversation, he mentioned that Nri people were running the cultural setup of IGODOMIGODO. He mentioned this, even though I never mentioned the word Igodomigodo. He mentioned it, not even knowing that I already knew about the place.

Of course, he surprised me with that statement, and then I let him know of a debate currently going on. He laughed, and repeated that it was the Nris that ran the cultural setup of the place, and carried on doing that even when the Obas came on board, up until just over a hundred years ago.

These are the sort of people that will know, because when such people say things, they don't hang back to start arguing with you, because his information was passed down from the previous EZE ANI, and the same carries on, for many centuries. The Portuguese records have all but authenticated such people's claims.

One thing I know is that Nris were there, even before Igodomigodo started to exist.

oyatz:
They migrated from Jerusalem,Israel.

Every body is now bringing out their own theory of Igbo migration. Some Israel, some historians Central Africa and related to bantu, some will say North and related to Nubians.
But some ignoramus in Nigeria will say from tiny Igodomigodo and related to Bini to share our success and reputation as people that doesn't believe in impossibility.
But we know better, we know who we are. We are the Igbos your grand parents tell you tales about in the moon light

Bkayyy:

And Yoruba land is now in the east. Lie with caution

It was the Ooni of Ife that had to approve the selection of the Oba of Benin and all Yoruba Obas even till today.

All beaded Crowned Obas are descendants of and are authorised by the Ooni of Ife.

The Oba of Benin wears a beaded Crown from Ile Ife.

You are distorting History.

1) Yoruba didn't conquer Igodomingodo (Idu).

2) The Oronmiyan dynasty came to through peaceful means and established by diplomatic marriage that produced Oba Eweka-1.

3) The arrival of Oba Oronmiyan in Igodomingodo, preceded the 17th century exodus of Ezechima and other Idu Clans by centuries.

Bkayyy:

Both of you are not saying the same thing, igboid is an Igbo man that is relaying the history of Idu that we all know in igboland and the Yoruba conquest and enthronement of Oba system which led to the Igbos returning back to the east.
But you are fabricating a non existing relationship between you present yoruba Edos and the Igbos that left Idu due to hostilities with the new Oba.
It's like saying that the Igbos that will return from Lagos if the Yoruba become hostile to them are yoruba descendants

Bkayyy:

OH! So these lies were all targeted to destabilize Igbo land and confuse their identity because of Biafra. I tought I was having a historical discussion

Now you know what this is all about.

Calling us children, sons and daughter.....It was just to achieve a nefarious end. That is their way.

OfoIgbo:


Nwokem, Nri is older than both, by many centuries.

Just this past weekend, I was in a chat with an EZE ANI from one of the core Nri towns, and we were talking about origins.
At some point in our conversation, he mentioned that Nri people were running the cultural setup of IGODOMIGODO. He mentioned this, even though I never mentioned the word Igodomigodo. He mentioned it, not even knowing that I already knew about the place.

Of course, he surprised me with that statement, and then I let him know of a debate currently going on. He laughed, and repeated that it was the Nris that ran the cultural setup of the place, and carried on doing that even when the Obas came on board, up until just over a hundred years ago.

These are the sort of people that will know, because when such people say things, they don't hang back to start arguing with you, because his information was passed down from the previous EZE ANI, and the same carries on, for many centuries. The Portuguese records have all but authenticated such people's claims.

One thing I know is that Nris were there, even before Igodomigodo started to exist.

Nri kingdom is 9 century AD.

Bkayyy:

One day some ignorant people might use your lies as reference. It is not hard to write, it is actually easier if they are lies.
Give a reference of where the people of ohafia, Abam, ütütü or arọ Chukwu have disputed their Igbo ancestry not a lie from an Igbo name from USA which I can't see his ancestral route and village on Google.
This is an example of people like you on nairaland that use Igbo names to insult igbo

Argue with your historian

Christistruth00:


It was the Ooni of Ife that had to approve the selection of the Oba of Benin and all Yoruba Obas even till today.The

All beaded Crowned Obas are descendants of and authorised by the Ooni of Ife

LOL.
Imagine the Yoruba historians coming out in 21st century to say that the Portuguese that sailed all the way from Europe made a mistake in their bearing. Imagine a sailor mistaking West for East .
As for the Oba being a descendant of Ife, that I won't dispute because it's the truth. Present day Bini is an extension of yoruba race

Atigba:


Argue with your professor

So the professor that is neither from arọ Chukwu nor ohafia knows more about arọ Chukwu than Eze arọ

Bkayyy:

So the professor that is neither from arọ Chukwu nor ohafia knows more about arọ Chukwu than Eze arọ

The funniest is that you don't know that arọ has more than 20 settlements in Igbo land excluding arọ Chukwu which I believe have more population than the entire edo state

Bkayyy:

So the professor that is neither from arọ Chukwu nor ohafia knows more about arọ Chukwu than Eze arọ

How do you know he is not from there

Bkayyy:

Incase I missed your answers, would you mind reiterating?
1.) What are the names of the two founders of Arochukwu and where are they from?
2.) Arochukwu calls herself Arọ oké Igbo, Why If Igbo was a new phenomenon?
3) why is igbuzor called Igbo bi na Uzor, if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
4) why is Akwukwu in Delta called Akwukwu Igbo if Igbo was a new phenomenon?
5.) why is it that non of these clans speak bini or have element of Bini?

Also, why does RumuIgbo exist in Ikwerre land, if Igbo is a new coinage?

Atigba:


How do you know he is not from there

I did I quick search with the name in the article and saw nothing.
Now do you mind telling me where he comes from since you were the one that brought the article

Atigba:

Argue with your historian

Writing an Igbo name on the article doesn't make the writer Igbo

oyatz:
You are wrong.

The Fulanis Jihard happened in the 19th century and Igalaland was not part of the theater of the Jihard.

Igalaland was well involved in the Fulani jihad, because many of her vassals up north were affected and many displaced communities up north poured into Igalaland who themselves poured into Igboland.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323295840_IGALA-HAUSAFULANI_RELATIONS_PAST_PRESENT_AND_WHAT_FUTURE_1818-2018


by 1824, Ilorin had fallen to the Jihadist conquest, Igu a vassal state of the Igala Kingdom was

sacked and burnt in 1833, and finally fell in 1860, but mainland Igala kingdom was well-

defended and never conquered. This led to the influx of refugees, the Bassa Nge and Bassa

Komo were the largest of this groups. In the 1870s, Ata Okoliko Onuche eventually ceded the

northernmost part of Dekina and Omala to the Jihad fleeing Bassa, as cities of sanctuary and

asylum. The previous gains of so vast a territory was to become Igala kingdom’s Achilles’

heel. These Fulani invasions led to the reconfiguration of the Igala vassal states on the fringes

of the Kingdom and the human landscape in Igala kingdom. Large number of people were

taken captives, others fled their homes, and refugees relocated to safer grounds. This is the

historical ground of the precolonial Igala suspicion of any form of Hausa/Fulani occupation of

Igala land. Prior to this, oral history holds that Attah Ayegba had invited Hausa men of war

and charm makers from Bebeji in Present day Kano to Idah in view of the looming war with

the Jukun. There are many Igala today in Idah and Ankpa who are of Hausa descent and trace

oyatz:
You are distorting History.

1) Yoruba didn't conquer Igodomingodo (Idu).

2) The Oronmiyan dynasty came to through peaceful means and established by diplomatic marriage that produced Oba Eweka-1.

3) The arrival of Oba Oronmiyan in Igodomingodo, preceded the 17th century exodus of Ezechima and other Idu Clans by centuries.

There was nothing peaceful about Yoruba conquering of Idu. It was full out war which Idu lost out.
Its documented in Igbo folklore as " Agha Oba n'Idu".
No one ever took power peacefully, so I don't know who you are deceiving.
The recent fracture between the Ogiamien descendants and the Oba ile ife of Benin throne forced them to start spilling truth we(Igbos) always knew.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

Igboid:


There was nothing peaceful about Yoruba conquering of Idu. It was full out war which Idu lost out.
Its documented in Igbo folklore as " Agha Oba n'Idu".
No one ever took power peacefully, so I don't know who you are deceiving.
The recent fracture between the Ogiamien descendants and the Oba ile ife of Benin throne forced them to start spilling truth we(Igbos) always knew.

Igbos know this history, just that the Yoruba Bini people of today are trying to dispute their heritage

Christistruth00:



It was the Ooni of Ife that was called Ogane.

First of all, Ogane (Oghene) is not a Yoruba name

Secondly, Ife is not to the EAST OF BENIN. This is yet another attempt at stealing Nri achievements by the coneheaded scratch-facers

Thirdly, multiple sources also confirm that Nris perform functions during the coronation of Benin obas

Igboid:
There was nothing peaceful about Yoruba conquering of Idu. It was full out war which Idu lost out.
Its documented in Igbo folklore as " Agha Oba n'Idu".
No one ever took power peacefully, so I don't know who you are deceiving.
The recent fracture between the Ogiamien descendants and the Oba ile ife of Benin throne forced them to start spilling truth we(Igbos) always knew.

I am Yoruba!

I agree with you that the present monarchy of Benin is foreign from Ife. I know also that the equation of Ekaladerhan as Oduduwa has been debunked in academia as an interesting nonsense.

But I tell you of a truth that the coming of the Ife prince to Benin was not with a violent intention to conquer.

Although I have no reason to deny that some fightings may have taken place in the course of things, but the motive was not a military conquest.

Bkayyy:

I did I quick search with the name in the article and saw nothing.
Now do you mind telling me where he comes from since you were the one that brought the article

Is a peer reviewed article, you need to subscribe to have access.

Bkayyy:

Writing an Igbo name on the article doesn't make the writer Igbo

See and learn from your elders.

TAO11:
I am Yoruba!

I agree with you that the present monarchy of Benin is foreign from Ife. I know also that the equation of Ekaladerhan as Oduduwa has been debunked in academia as an interesting nonsense.

But I tell you of a truth that he coming of the Ife prince to Benin was not with a violent intention to conquer.

Although I have no reason to deny that some fightings may have taken place in the course of things, but the motive was not a military conquest.

Our folklore is not very explicit about how the war happened.
But it was emphatic on the war. There was a full out war between the Binis owners of Idu and the Oba from Ile ife who established Benin kingdom, the brutal war and upheaval forced the Igbo residents in Idu scampering back to East.

From the Ogiemien sources, the Yorubas came into Idu palace initially peacefully through marriage arrangements but with long term plan of taking control of the kingdom once they have established enough strong hold, which they indeed did.

OfoIgbo:


First of all, Ogane (Oghene) is not a Yoruba name

Secondly, Ife is not to the EAST OF BENIN. This is yet another attempt at stealing Nri achievements by the coneheaded scratch-facers

Thirdly, multiple sources also confirm that Nris perform functions during the coronation of Benin obas

Ogané is not even a Nigerian word per se.

However (Oghene) which the Europeans attempted to render (as Ogané and Hougoouanee) is what the Binis (from whom the Europeans gather these data) call the Ooni of Ife till date in their historical-cultural setting.

The attached is from R.E. Bradbury who devoted many years of intensive anthropological field work on Benin and the Edo-speaking peoples and emerged the outstanding authority on the subject.

Igboid:


There was nothing peaceful about Yoruba conquering of Idu. It was full out war which Idu lost out.
Its documented in Igbo folklore as " Agha Oba n'Idu".
No one ever took power peacefully, so I don't know who you are deceiving.
The recent fracture between the Ogiamien descendants and the Oba ile ife of Benin throne forced them to start spilling truth we(Igbos) always knew.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

Imagine Bini claiming to be one of the oldest civilization in the South when Nri, Ife and Ibom is in the same south.
NO matter how hard they try to lie about their history, the truth will surely come out. They think everybody have forgotten about Idu and how Yoruba introduced Oba system their through Oramiyan

“What is today known as Benin Kingdom started as Igodomigodo nine centuries ago. It was founded by Ogiso Igodo and it existed for 300 years before King Orominyan of Ife invaded Benin. During that invasion, Orominyan fought without any success. Before then, Orominyan came to Benin with a strategy. He brought a large number of Yoruba men into Benin long before the proper expedition. These men went into relationships with our daughters who started having children for them. By the time Orominyan came to attack Benin in 11th Century, the number of the Yoruba-born children was high. In spite of this, however, he still failed in his attack.

When Orominyan was returning to Ile-Ife without achieving his aim, as one of the strategies they invented, he deliberately impregnated a princess, the daughter of an “Enigie” – duke or king in Benin under the then Ogiso. The princess’ name was Elimide. He left her behind before returning to Ife. It was Princess Elimide that gave birth to the first Oba of Benin, Oba Eweka 1, who, after becoming an adult, was invited back to Ile-Ife, alongside other children they had secretly produced through our daughters without our knowing their game-plan.

This is how Yorubas gained foothold in Idu and eventually toppled the Idu people.

Problem is that both the Bini (Idu people) and you Benin (descendants of Ile ife) are not interested in the full truth.
They both have their eyes set on Igbo speaking communities outside SE to annex.

Bkayyy:

Imagine Bini claiming to be one of the oldest civilization in the South when Nri, Ife and Ibom is in the same south.
NO matter how hard they try to lie about their history, the truth will surely come out. They think everybody have forgotten about Idu and how Yoruba introduced Oba system their through Oramiyan

Ndiigbo have been too silent on the Bini(Idu)/Benin (Ile Ife) discussion, that both sides have managed to distort our history and are now on land grabbing mission.

Atigba:


Is a peer reviewed article, you need to subscribe to have access.

LOL , you just shot yourself in the leg, no in the scrotum.
The person you are bragging about that said Ohafia is not Igbo is from Ohafia and goes by the title "Ohamadike Ndigbo".
I believe you are educated. Now read that article again and see that he didn't say that Ohafia was not Igbo but he acclaimed that some migrants from Idu came to the south of Igbo land known as Bende (Be ndị Igbo) which means land of Igbos

Igboid:


Ndiigbo have been to silent on the Bini(Idu)/Benin (Ile Ife) discussion, that both sides have managed to distort our history and are now on land grabbing mission.

Did you see the guy that quoted "Ohamadike Ndigbo" and accused the man of saying that ohafia is not Igbo whereas the man is from Ohafia and goes by the title Ohamadike Ndigbo.
Read the article the posted and see why people fail jamb

Bkayyy:

LOL.
Imagine the Yoruba historians coming out in 21st century to say that the Portuguese that sailed all the way from Europe made a mistake in their bearing. Imagine a sailor mistaking West for East .
As for the Oba being a descendant of Ife, that I won't dispute because it's the truth. Present day Bini is an extension of yoruba race

D'Aveira the Portuguese Sailor who visited the Oba of Benin said it in 1485. Didn't you read the photo shot of the book?

Atigba:

See and learn from your elders.

Guy you dull o

Atigba:


See and learn from your elders.

From all the guys work (the guy literally dedicated his life to Ndigbo) you can see that he is a proud Igbo man from Ohafia