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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Maobichek: 5:19pm On Aug 20, 2020
Dreal1247:
This is one way through which strange practices could be imported into the body of Christ. A canal mind cannot understand the things of the spirit. The Christian body needs to write the presidency as well as the law makers.
But we have Christains in the National Assembly and the Vice President is also a Christian; were they not privy to this ungodly act. The truth remains that if this is implemented, the Church will be compromised and won't be bold enough to say no to other subsequent evil policies that will be implemented in Nigeria.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Chachangi: 5:21pm On Aug 20, 2020
This is one of the consequences of voting someone with primary 6 certificate (as there’s controversy around his WAEC) to lead a nation with Enlightened people, Professors, Enterpreneurs, mighty Men of God, Intelligent graduates, a lot of people with potentials.

What is certain is that you can NEVER fight with God (Father Son and HolyGhost) and succeed. They will fail woefully.

They should ask those who tried it in time past.

One of them became LEPROUS immediately.

I hope these people are not inviting leprousy!

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by smileyoo: 5:24pm On Aug 20, 2020
but where were CAN leadership, when the debate over this law was being discussed at the national assembly ?
what stopped them from making their stand known, during the debate ?
I guess it's this false believe that govt business is non of their business as religious leaders, that made them keep mute whilst their fate was being discussed at the national assembly, stop making noise because cama is now a binding law for all nigerians, the least the aggrieved can do is to challenge it at the law courts, because whipping up sentiments can not help any body.
how I hate the docility of nigerians.

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by sigiyaya(m): 5:24pm On Aug 20, 2020
Righteousness89:
The Government of the Day should be apply wisdom , Take off their Hands from the Church and not make Mockery of themselves..

It's Unbiblical! Unscriptural , Demonic , Occultic and Satanic..

The Presidency should be well advised! You don't Start a War you Cannot Finish.

It's Foolishness to think or try in any Form to Fight against the Church of God.

It Foolishness to start a Fight against your Creator.

It Does not End Well...

Haman Tried it
Pharoah Tried it
Nebuchadnezzar Tried it..

We are Still in the Seasons of Judgement. Many Have Gone!

Any Mere Creature that Tries will Go like Others..



Guy do you sometimes reason with your common sense or does it mean that you dont have any at all
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Ifyz0001: 5:24pm On Aug 20, 2020
Buhari and his anti Christian bill is now in the fore-front.

It is not hidden anymore the agenda of President Buhari, he wants to wake up one day and retire Bishop Adeboye as the general overseer of his ministry. He wants to wake up one day and remove the Catholic Bishop and reappoints an Imam as the head of a Christian organization.

This anti-christian movement has already started with Boko Haram massacre of Christains in the north and the president and even CAN has been watching. CAN only start a protest when it affects themselves (pastors and religious leaders), why haven't CAN organize on a regular basis, protest the death of the ordinary Christians killed on a daily basis by Boko Haram?

President Buhari wants to wake-up to declare Nigeria an Islamic State, thereby destroying or dismantling churches.

If we are not careful, we will wake up one day to a Nigerian-Saudi Arabia that doesn't have a single church in its country.

I pray with all the love of Christ in my soul, that President Buhari will never accomplish this mission before and after he ends his tenure in Jesus name. Amen.
Christians will still have a readily accessible and abundant places of worship so as the Muslims enjoys today. In Jesus Name, Amen.

With all due respect, we the Christians and CAN should pray and resist (physically) this bill, unless we all want to say bye bye to Christianity in Nigeria, just as it happened in Turkey.

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by luluman: 5:25pm On Aug 20, 2020
Brandstudio01:
So who controls the Church is now more important than dozens of needs pressing the nation and it's citizens?

No wonder Nigeria is among the committee of nations.

Abeg jare , I will Design a Professional Logo for your product or Business for 2k Only
I 've never insulted this government. But I'm thinking otherwise now, what is their problems with christianity now?
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by babajeje123(m): 5:25pm On Aug 20, 2020
guy222:
Is either you pastors and your lots do what the government said or you shut down your churches. Go to china, usa, england and even in italy, they are lay down laws and rules that is set down by the government for every church to operate, when you go contrary to the laws your church will be shut down and be force to pay fine. Is it the church that will tell the government how they want to operate or the government telling them on how to operate.
Do those countries have special law for religion like we have Sharia law embedded in our constitution and fully operated in Northern states?
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by byinks(f): 5:25pm On Aug 20, 2020
The Chinese Communist party is now in Nigeria
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by genkins(m): 5:26pm On Aug 20, 2020
CodeTemplar:

Stop using big big English to communicate daft ideas.

Govt is a system where individuals are entrusted with power to manage what the people share in common. Their is no human being that isn't entitled to meddle with govt happenings. People didn't vote pastors to ministry they vote politicians to power and so have right to ask politicians to improve. Ministers (Men of God) on the other hand are called by God and it is up to you to accept them or not. It is cataclysmically stúpid to try and stand as a third party in the relationship between members and church leadership.
How do you know they were called by God. And which God?

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by BabaRamota1980: 5:26pm On Aug 20, 2020
samuelson06:


CAMA will fail in Nigeria even if similar laws is succeeding elsewhere. Mark my words, it will fail. Government isn't God. Don't magnify them. God can direct man's heart to anywhere. Beware!

We know govt isnt God, are Pastors God?

You have pastors who have abandoned the pulpit and are chasing election news in a rush to be the first with prophesy. Pastors are now predicting who will win what state, who will die when, what calamity is about to happen. Is this truly good for society?

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by luluman: 5:27pm On Aug 20, 2020
techmo:
cool



Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



.
You were born a mumu. Who told you all those law makers are Christians? Their religion is money & not christianity. Get it straight .ODE.

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by janeedema(f): 5:28pm On Aug 20, 2020
Like seriously? Be careful what you ask for? You want to press towards the mark of the high calling? I don't think you know what you're asking for?

How can Christians be so gullible? You truly long for the government to dictate what happens in churches?

If these churches were being run the way the Nigerian government have been running Nigeria, I truly don't think there will be anything enviable left in the church for them to covet.

Having run poorly the economy, they are looking to run churches that have board of trustees in place that have run smoothly for years without hiccups.

Hear me: they are crazy and everyone else that supports their useless bids.

seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by CocoaOla: 5:28pm On Aug 20, 2020
religions no wan pay taxes religions collect freely from the society but don't want to give back freely to the society

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by luluman: 5:29pm On Aug 20, 2020
seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up
Were you born a mumu?
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Coronavirus1: 5:30pm On Aug 20, 2020
Omooba77:
Government is just adding battles to battles, where we they get strength to fight all these battles?.......
Oga no battle there government not trying to control church don't let nobody brainwash you ,it's right thing been done allover the world to control frauds in religious places politicians use religious leaders to do money laundering that is what the government is trying to stop.government is not asking religious houses to pay tax ,so the law should stay am a Christian not a Muslim

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Thescienceprof(m): 5:30pm On Aug 20, 2020
techmo:
cool



Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



.

Stop exposing your bigotry. Yes, there are Christians in the National Assembly but they aren't up to the required numbers to stop the bill. They had their say but the satanic majority had their way.
Hope you get it. There's an agenda going on and if you can't see it, just pass by, unless you are part of the agenda

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by bobluck: 5:33pm On Aug 20, 2020
Is this govt serious at all? What happen to the issue of providing security, food security, amenities and social and economic infrastructure to the people. We are not having issues with how to worship or the affairs of the church being managed.

This is ultra high definition of a senseless policy.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Maobichek: 5:33pm On Aug 20, 2020
seunlayi:
Govt can control churches. Can should shut up
The post does not call for insult or abuse, this your comment may hurt you tomorrow. A young man came for an interview in my organization, the only thing that disqualified him was that his name was Googled; we may call social sites faceless groups but they are the resume everyone has now, thank you.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by ozento: 5:33pm On Aug 20, 2020
techmo:
cool



Nonsense and ingredient... So CAN wants to tell us there are no Christians out of the over 400 National Assembly Lawmakers during the first and second reading, or the Public hearing of the bill



.
God punish you for this statement. fool!
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by BabaRamota1980: 5:35pm On Aug 20, 2020
Any pastor thats comfortable predicting election results must accept CAMA as it is and comply. Simple!

If you are not comfortable with CAMA then focus on the pulpit, leave elections alone for INEC to administer.

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by luluman: 5:35pm On Aug 20, 2020
CodeTemplar:

Stop using big big English to communicate daft ideas.

Govt is a system where individuals are entrusted with power to manage what the people share in common. Their is no human being that isn't entitled to meddle with govt happenings. People didn't vote pastors to ministry they vote politicians to power and so have right to ask politicians to improve. Ministers (Men of God) on the other hand are called by God and it is up to you to accept them or not. It is cataclysmically stúpid to try and stand as a third party in the relationship between members and church leadership.
Thank you.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Aksnoopy: 5:36pm On Aug 20, 2020
chrisxxx:
How I wished we could do a roll call of people who voted this government in especially ITK Christians!
Especially in the southwest. grin

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Zejie: 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2020
BabaRamota1980:


The churches brought this upon themselves.

There are many muslim communities just like Zakzaky group in North. They mind their business and never get involved in govt issues. Zakyzaky stays in govt business all the time. Thats why he is in trouble now.

Jonathan set a bad precedence when he will have these pastors meddling govt business. They got too comfortable and started commenting on what govt is doing or not doing. When you are a tax exempt organization, stay away from govt the best you can. Put a long distance between you and govt. Govt has all the rules and ways to fvk up anyone, if they choose to. These churches did same thing Zakyzaky did, started fvkng with govt. So now govt wants to fcvk with them too. Its unfortunate but its reality.

There is a pastor in America called Pastor Dollar or something like that. He used to condemn govt and live large and flaunt. One of their legislators got on his case and wanted to probe him and his church. The Pastor got the message at that point.

If CAMA can bring out same result in Nigerian pastors it will be great. The money they waste on acquiring jets and building for-profit private institutions should be better used in promoting wellbeing and supporting needs of communities and people. At the end of it people benefit when churches come to their aid in time of distress and need.
So in ur mind, it is churches private jets and monies that govt would use to develop Nigeria? Na wa for you oh. If crude oil money is not able to develop Nigeria na church money.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by SaintLucia: 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2020
iyke926:
The same people that voted for Atiku are still the same ones wailing and crying grin

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by BabaRamota1980: 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2020
CocoaOla:
religions no wan pay taxes religions collect freely from the society but don't want to give back freely to the society

Im telling you! When questioned they start talking shyte about 'touch not my anointed'. If you question a pastor you are questioning God. grin
So they should shut up and let God deal with CAMA.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by janeedema(f): 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2020
Can you please, please just be quiet? It sounds like an appeal, but it truly isn't.

You have the impetus to talk about private jet. I don't think you have an inclination of what you are saying.

You should be weeping that with all the tax you pay, that hasn't bettered your life in anyway, your country is still the headquarters of poverty in the world.

With all the increment and a higher standard of living, you truly think the private jets acquired by any pastor should be your concern?

This is truly sad! Who is holding government accountable? How has the tithe or the private jet bought by pastors affected you in any way?

How much of your offering was used in acquiring the jet? Tell me. Calculate your offering and ask yourself: can it buy the tyres of a jet, let alone a seat?

Yet you're weeping over pastors acquiring jet. Those who truly give to God know they are being blessed by giving, whilst those who are broke complain about pastors jet.

Forget about pastors jet. Give your way into prosperity and stop speaking against the things you desire for yourself.

Were pastors elected to better our economy? In what way do freewill donations and offerings affect the state of our country?

Are pastors jets the reason pump price is threatening to increase? Are pastors jets the reason government increased VAT while salaries remained the same? Are pastors jets the reason those who looted your economy haven't been brought to book? Are pastors jets responsible for the insecurity or high standard of living in the land? Are pastors jets the reason for the nonchalance and cluelessness of our government?

You are giving government a nod to go mess up the church's treasury like they have our nation's.

I say No! Let them go and hold themselves accountable for all the tax we've been paying.

If I have my way I will gift more pastors private jets. If nothing, for the order and decorum that runs in our churches.

You know what? I beg you again to just hold your peace for good.

quote author=BabaRamota1980 post=93030551]

The churches brought this upon themselves.

There are many muslim communities just like Zakzaky group in North. They mind their business and never get involved in govt issues. Zakyzaky stays in govt business all the time. Thats why he is in trouble now.

Jonathan set a bad precedence when he will have these pastors meddling govt business. They got too comfortable and started commenting on what govt is doing or not doing. When you are a tax exempt organization, stay away from govt the best you can. Put a long distance between you and govt. Govt has all the rules and ways to fvk up anyone, if they choose to. These churches did same thing Zakyzaky did, started fvkng with govt. So now govt wants to fcvk with them too. Its unfortunate but its reality.

There is a pastor in America called Pastor Dollar or something like that. He used to condemn govt and live large and flaunt. One of their legislators got on his case and wanted to probe him and his church. The Pastor got the message at that point.

If CAMA can bring out same result in Nigerian pastors it will be great. The money they waste on acquiring jets and building for-profit private institutions should be better used in promoting wellbeing and supporting needs of communities and people. At the end of it people benefit when churches come to their aid in time of distress and need.
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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by BabaRamota1980: 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2020
iyke926:
The same people that voted massively for Bubu are still the same ones wailing and crying grin

grin grin

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Nobody: 5:39pm On Aug 20, 2020
Sarmiz24:
You know CAN is right how can Govt control Church if dey can’t control Islamic in the name of Sharia shit... Like how can a religion court supercede a national Court can u imagine a religious court sentencing someone to death in a Multi religious Country for that matter o wrong naw.... So if Fed Govt can’t abolish sharia whatever then they shouldn’t try to Control the Church simple


You're brilliant! No need to school those comparing the law with same in developed nations where they have robust legal framework/institutions consistently powered by very healthy democracy.
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by JB4life: 5:39pm On Aug 20, 2020
I questioned the CAMA 2020 amended Act also when people were attacking Oyedepo for speaking out against the new act last Sunday.

How can government control the management what it did not create nor fund?
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by Commanderinpips: 5:40pm On Aug 20, 2020
Righteousness89:
The Government of the Day should be apply wisdom , Take off their Hands from the Church and not make Mockery of themselves..

It's Unbiblical! Unscriptural , Demonic , Occultic and Satanic..

The Presidency should be well advised! You don't Start a War you Cannot Finish.

It's Foolishness to think or try in any Form to Fight against the Church of God.

It Foolishness to start a Fight against your Creator.

It Does not End Well...

Haman Tried it
Pharoah Tried it
Nebuchadnezzar Tried it..

We are Still in the Seasons of Judgement. Many Have Gone!

Any Mere Creature that Tries will Go like Others..



y

Thank you my brother. There is a judgment coming very very soon that will change all the political arrangements in this country. Heads will row in the high places in Nigeria

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Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by eagleu: 5:40pm On Aug 20, 2020
Who doesn't see something wrong with an Islamic government pushing very hard to regulate churches and christianity in general?
Re: CAN Rejects CAMA, Says Government Cannot Control Churches by emmnprince(m): 5:44pm On Aug 20, 2020
BabaRamota1980:


The churches brought this upon themselves.

There are many muslim communities just like Zakzaky group in North. They mind their business and never get involved in govt issues. Zakyzaky stays in govt business all the time. Thats why he is in trouble now.

Jonathan set a bad precedence when he will have these pastors meddling govt business. They got too comfortable and started commenting on what govt is doing or not doing. When you are a tax exempt organization, stay away from govt the best you can. Put a long distance between you and govt. Govt has all the rules and ways to fvk up anyone, if they choose to. These churches did same thing Zakyzaky did, started fvkng with govt. So now govt wants to fcvk with them too. Its unfortunate but its reality.

There is a pastor in America called Pastor Dollar or something like that. He used to condemn govt and live large and flaunt. One of their legislators got on his case and wanted to probe him and his church. The Pastor got the message at that point.

If CAMA can bring out same result in Nigerian pastors it will be great. The money they waste on acquiring jets and building for-profit private institutions should be better used in promoting wellbeing and supporting needs of communities and people. At the end of it people benefit when churches come to their aid in time of distress and need.

I see your point!

Government that is not serving the people as they should took it upon "themselves" to interfere in religious matter, clearly targeted the Church in this context.

When religious leaders meddle into government affairs and flaunt their flamboyant lifestyles so glaring before the Government's eyes, what do you expect!

In this case, Romans 13:1-7 comes to mind:
[b]Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
- Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
- For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
- for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
- Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
- For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
- Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.[/b]


1 Peter 2:13-15 says:
Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—


. . .and Acts 4:19 and 5:29:
But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge;

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.


If these laws are passed to law, and religious leaders refuses to obey it, then anarchy is bound to happen soonest because there would be conflict of interests between the two parties!

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