AjaanaOka:


Ukpabi was from Ogbeoza village in Onitsha. If you know anything about Ogbeoza, you'll know they trace their ancestry from Eze Aroli, one of the early Onitsha kings. That is why Ogbeoza together with Ogbendida are called Umuezearoli.

Post your evidence, please.

Also, I am from Awka. The Aro never ran Awka riot. We had two violent encounters with their hired warriors. The first time, it was a joint action with other towns in that axis to save Nawfia from Aro oppression. We beat off the mercenaries. The second time, they attacked Awka itself, and were again severely beaten. They never came again. Awka even provided refuge for people fleeing from Aro raids. We provided land for them to settle and planted men on the border to protect them. The town of Amawbia (stranger's settlement) grew out of an Awka-protected refugee camp during that time.

The Awka part I know and what you said about Awka is true.

AjaanaOka:


You've used this term "centrism" so much on this post, often as a smokescreen, that I'm beginning to wonder if you're actually interested in a serious conversation.

That's what they behave like.

UdechiHD:
Oga I’ve got evidence about Ukpabi Asika. I don’t twist history.
Second, I still have fact on how Aro ran Awka riot as well as the Omambala areas. You’re not dealing with some layman here.

You are really trying so hard but Aro we're fully repelled.

Infact it didn't happen here.

letu:
That's what they behave like.

And what do you behave like ? You go around looking for information to spite Nri and Anambra groups just because of your own personal issues.

I ask you again , which Aro Idenmili were you talking about

Ofor is not exactly a prayer but a form of blessing or spiritual proclamation. It is the opposite of curse.Ofor is not same with Isee.

Some literature I have seen has 'Ehaa' as an alternative to 'Isee'.

IDENNAA:


And what do you behave like ? You go around looking for information to spite Nri and Anambra groups just because of your own personal issues.

I ask you again , which Aro Idenmili were you talking about

Well for your information, I'm not the one that wrote any of those articles which has to do with Aro supremacy because I'm not from Arochukwu.
Just as Anambara people have the freedom to talk and write about their speculated Nri supremacy the same goes to Ndi Aro so you should direct your anger towards them, last time I checked almost all Aro supremacy articles has it that they conquered/ subdue Oha Ndi Anambara which includes your Idennmili or are you saying that your Idennmili is no longer part of Anambara, alright I've heard from you that Ndi Aro did reach Idennmili okay let's leave this and move on with the topic which has to do with Isee.

letu:
Well for your information, I'm not the one that wrote any of those articles which has to do with Aro supremacy because I'm not from Arochukwu.
Just as Anambara people have the freedom to talk and write about their speculated Nri supremacy the same goes to Ndi Aro so you should direct your anger towards them, last time I checked almost all Aro supremacy articles has it that they conquered/ subdue Oha Ndi Anambara which includes your Idennmili or are you saying that your Idennmili is no longer part of Anambara, alright I've heard from you that Ndi Aro did reach Idennmili okay let's leave this and move on with the topic which has to do with Isee.

It is none of my problems what nonsense anybody somewhere decides to write about but it must be backed by proof.

And , no , Anambra groups don't go around claiming what doesn't belong to them...the issue with Anambra has to do with some inventions claimed to be Nri which we later found out may have been in existence amongst the original settlers ,before Eri. But , as we speak today we can't completely define Anambra culture and decide who owns what , without encroaching into different clans claims of being the sole inventor of one thing or another. Therefore, I use a general name to classify people of Nri Oka cultured people, OMANBALA CULTURE. That way, the whole group that practice this like-culture has a common name.

You wouldn't see anybody from this region claiming Nri founded some communities not backed by evidence, rather Aro are the ones claiming things they never even know existed

IDENNAA:


It is none of my problems what nonsense anybody somewhere decides to write about but it must be backed by proof.

And , no , Anambra groups don't go around claiming what doesn't belong to them...the issue with Anambra has to do with some inventions claimed to be Nri which we later found out may have been in existence amongst the original settlers ,before Eri. But , as we speak today we can't completely define Anambra culture and decide who owns what , without encroaching into different clans claims of being the sole inventor of one thing or another. Therefore, I use a general name to classify people of Nri Oka cultured people, OMANBALA CULTURE. That way, the whole group that practice this like-culture has a common name.

You wouldn't see anybody from this region claiming Nri founded some communities not backed by evidence, rather Aro are the ones claiming things they never even know existed

Another Junk.

letu:
Another Junk.

You are really sad

letu:
Another Junk.

Are you just discovering his junkiness? Just let him wag abeg....he needs it to sustain his skin deep ego

IDENNAA:


I guess we have to find ways to give Imo people reasons to feel proud , hence the Orlu suggestions...lol. If you dont know who made it just shut up. The only place Pythons are worshipped is in Idenmili and Idenmili has at least 3 Nri towns....Abatete , Umuoji , Nnokwa , Ojoto , Obosi (Ojoto and Obosi are same people), Nkpor etc. Thats why I said Nri and related groups but you want to lump Anambra and Imo together out of your own insecurities....these people are different.

We are NOT the same people. Igbo is diverse and its ok...the other day Orange drug took a title of Ijele....what da Bleep ?? You dont even have the Ijele culture!

Hope Uzodimma honorary title is Onwanetilora....since when? It's ok to borrow but it doesnt mean we are same people. Anambra people are Nri cultured people and we have characteristics and mannerisms of an average Anambra person.

I hate to hear Awka/Orlu nonsense...you lot created that. It has always been Nri/Awka axis

You're so full of ignorance and arrogance at the same time... A big recipe for stagnation.

IDENNAA:



Again , only in Idenmili the python is WORSHIPPED, the rest just revered it. I never used the word "revered", you imported it to prove your flawed argument.

Again , Igbo are NOT one people. Chinenye knows that much and is happy with his Ngwa but you want to lump Nri /Awka to your state just to associate with Nri traditions. Igbo has different origin , practice different culture and speak different dialects. We are not one...this has always been the social structure of the Igbo. What made Anambra unique was Nri cultural spread in the area. Some Imo communities were impacted but very little. For instance , Arondizuogu is an Nri cultured town but they dont have Nri migrants. Stop lumpimg everyone together. Find something that make you stand out....if you do you wouldn't be feeling insecure.

The title Onwanetilora was an Anambra title but like an uncreative bunch you borrowed it and tried to change it to your Imo dialect. Just like you took the Ijele title and turned it to ijere. You people have continued to leech on Anambra cultural brilliance yet you refused to lower your head before us! Its disgusting! You are very uncultured. We made you humans but some of you have refused to pay homage but you will , eventually. Okwulu anaro aka onye kulia.


As for what happens in Anambra, its none of your gaddem business. When Ajaana Oka shows up we can discuss that. Omanbala is one family.....Idemmili ,Omanbala region, Umunri ,Onicha , the Adazi towns ,Dunukofia ,Oyi towns, Nnewi, Ihiala , the Ichi towns etc. are all closely related by blood and culture. Worry about your origin and state. I will never discuss my fatherland with a foreigner! You are NOT onye Anambra!! Get that in your skull.

Too much ignorance and arrogance. Shame!

IDENNAA:


Fear of who ?

But why are Imo people always feel littla and,scared before Anambra person ?
We dont really remember you lot exist. You are the ones obsessed with Anambra...did I lie?

Too much ignorance and arrogance.

IDENNAA:


Fear of who ?

But why are Imo people always feel littla and,scared before Anambra person ?
We dont really remember you lot exist. You are the ones obsessed with Anambra...did I lie?

Excessive ignorance and arrogance.

UdechiHD:
You don’t know your history. Aro that has a village in the heart of Onitsha. The former administrator of eastern Nigeria Ukpabi Asika an Onitsha man is of Aro blood. There are many of them.

Aro that raided Aguleri to as far as Anam with the help of her Abam, Edda mercenaries.
Aro that even used her military might to police Awka and Nri with her Ajali and Ndikelonwu satellite towns. You think Aros are mates with Nri in terms of influence?
I can post links here if you want to be educated.

Lol at 'police Awka and nri'... Total hogwash

I did enjoy some of the back and forth though.
We must look into the future and worry less about the past because our children and grandchildren will face the result of our present decisions. If dragging and supremacy tussle will bring forth a better positioning for us, I believe we're wise enough to decipher.
Igwebuike!

Yujin:

You're so full of ignorance and arrogance at the same time... A big recipe for stagnation.

Point them out,nwokem.

Yujin:

Excessive ignorance and arrogance.

I am not an Igbo unity advocate. My goal is to make Omanbala a great land, period.

IDENNAA:


I am not an Igbo unity advocate. My goal is to make Omanbala a great land, period.

Then you're destined to be a local champion and indirectly an enemy of the Igbo nation. You don't build yourself up by tearing your brothers down. If you do so, you'll end up being only a strong man in your tiny family. When you venture out, no one will trust you after seeing what you did to your siblings and when they engage you, they'll ensure to destroy you by ganging up against you to ensure you never prevail. All these they'll do because they know the boundary of your concern and they certainly are far from it.
If you insist on this pathway of destruction, better know your boundary in the said state.

IDENNAA:


Point them out,nwokem.

When you start denigrating other Igbo clans just so you ignorantly appear as superior, you should know that you can never move forward. If your so called 'omambala' is the greatest thing that makes Ndigbo thick, it then means that we're an easy pick. It is for people like you that Paul- the apostle addressed in letter of 2 Corinthians where he talked about being different parts of but one body and non of those parts is better than the other. They all have a specific function. I see our people as the magnificent elephant with its huge tusk solid as steel bars, its pillar like legs standing strong like the Iroko tree capable of bearing the weight of over 4 tons. Is it its powerful trunk that it can literarily use to uproot trees or its wall-like body use to topple structures. Where can one start to appreciate the elephant? This is how Ndigbo are; all our clans bring something great to the table to make our nation a great one. Any individual or group which seeks to belittle other clans simply because it wants to appear as the head is very foolish. If you have studied the history of other great nations, you would have known that nothing good comes out of such ventures. Civil wars which only brings destruction and acrimony leaving rarely a decisive victory and even if it we're decisive, it will at best be a pyrhhic one leaving the victor maimed and leading to the destruction of more than half the capacity of the nation. Proponents of such venture easily forget that those they're belittling are not really little or will take it lying low. By the time they deploy their own arsenals and the clash of horns begin it will be too late to stop. Only their enemies will benefit from such folly. Our people's adage says that when too brothers fight bitterly, a stranger eventually inherits their father's property.
The Japanese and Chinese civil wars of dominance never helped them. The ancient Israeli clannish dominance is what led to this famous cliche; "to your tents oh Israel". No clan wars ever succeeds. Individuals ganging up with different persons across various clans to Lord over the nation stands a better chance than any clannish attempt at dominance. You should have known about this... perish such thought and rather seek for a greater Igbo nation. It stands a better chance to succeed than what you have in mind now. I can't say everything here because our enemies are all over seeking for any avenue they can exploit to divide us. Don't be their willing tool.
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IDENNAA:


I am not an Igbo unity advocate. My goal is to make Omanbala a great land, period.

You are shamelessly ignorant and your ego is hopelessly overblown

I'm from Anambra and your shame is shaming me

Which same person will use states which are an artificial creation made for administrative purposes only, to divide a whole ethnic group?

Tufiakwa gi!!!

Aja ana ghachikwaa gi anya!!

Obalatule:
You are shamelessly ignorant and your ego is hopelessly overblown

I'm from Anambra and your shame is shaming me

Which same person will use states which are an artificial creation made for administrative purposes only, to divide a whole ethnic group?

Tufiakwa gi!!!

Aja ana ghachikwaa gi anya!!

Just shut it

every state is an independent unity and hold no allegiance to another.

Yujin:

Then you're destined to be a local champion and indirectly an enemy of the Igbo nation. You don't build yourself up by tearing your brothers down. If you do so, you'll end up being only a strong man in your tiny family. When you venture out, no one will trust you after seeing what you did to your siblings and when they engage you, they'll ensure to destroy you by ganging up against you to ensure you never prevail. All these they'll do because they know the boundary of your concern and they certainly are far from it.
If you insist on this pathway of destruction, better know your boundary in the said state.

You are a block head. We can't all have the same visions. If you want to join Imo then bye. Who needs you. I am not an Igbo unity advocate and I will not apologize for that. When I have the authority I will unleash the cultural reclamation and transformation of Omanbala people.


Again, I am not against Igbo unity but that is not my project. My project is Anambra,full stop

Obalatule:
You are shamelessly ignorant and your ego is hopelessly overblown

I'm from Anambra and your shame is shaming me

Which same person will use states which are an artificial creation made for administrative purposes only, to divide a whole ethnic group?

Tufiakwa gi!!!

Aja ana ghachikwaa gi anya!!

That ajani will destroy your pathetic life!! Learn public etiquette!

Yujin:

When you start denigrating other Igbo clans just so you ignorantly appear as superior, you should know that you can never move forward. If your so called 'omambala' is the greatest thing that makes Ndigbo thick, it then means that we're an easy pick. It is for people like you that Paul- the apostle addressed in letter of 2 Corinthians where he talked about being different parts of but on body and non of those parts is better than the other. They all have a specific function. I see our people as the magnificent elephant with its huge tusk solid as steel bars, its pillar like legs standing strong like the Iroko tree capable of bearing the weight of over 4 tons. Is it its powerful truck it can literarily use to uproot trees or its wall-like body use to topple structures. Where can one start to appreciate the elephant? This is how Ndigbo are; all our clans bring something great to the table to make our nation a great one. Any individual it group which seeks to belittle other clans simply because it wants to appear as the head is very foolish. If you have studied the history of other great nations, you would have known that nothing good comes out of such ventures. Civil wars which only brings destruction and acrimony leaving rarely a decisive victory and even if it we're decisive, it will at best be a pyrhhic one leaving the victor maimed and leading to the destruction of more than half the capacity of the nation. Proponents of such venture easily forget that those they're belittling are not really little or will take it lying low. By the time they deploy their own arsenals and the clash of horns begin it will be too late to stop. Only their enemies will benefit from such folly. Our people's adage says that when too brothers fight bitterly, a stranger eventually inherits their father's property.
The Japanese and Chinese civil wars of dominance

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never helped them. The ancient Israeli clannish dominance is what led to this famous cliche; "to your tents oh Israel". No clan wars ever succeeds. Individuals ganging up with different persons across various clans to Lord over the nation stands a better chance than any clannish attempt at dominance. You should have known about this... perish such thought and rather seek for a greater Igbo nation. It stands a better chance to succeed than what you have in mind now. I can't say everything here because our enemies are all over seeking for any avenue they can exploit to divide us. Don't be their willing tool.
Udo nwanna.

I didnt denigrate anybody but I will not stand by and watch some nonentities defame and ridicule the elegant and beautiful culture of Omanbala people. That will not happen. Lately, some people from southern Igbo areas have been working very hard at tarnishing the image of Nri. They want to divide Anambra buy squaring Awka vs Nri online squabbles and I will not let that happen. Anambra people practice a near homogeneous culture excluding towns like Umunze etc.

IDENNAA:


You are a block head. We can't all have the same visions. If you want to join Imo then bye. Who needs you. I am not an Igbo unity advocate and I will not apologize for that. When I have the authority I will unleash the cultural reclamation and transformation of Omanbala people.


Again, I am not against Igbo unity but that is not my project. My project is Anambra,full stop

People like will always be around but wise people across different nations know when to bury the hatchet and build their nation. They're not just focussed on one primordial battle of clannish superiority. They see the bigger picture and follow it. The great Ojukwu made his home in Enugu and lived their till he died. He's my role model. Nnamdi Azikiwe tried connecting far flung clans by establishing solid relationship with them to assure them of our mutual respect. If people like you were in his shoes, you would have limited your engagement to your so called 'omambala' areas and today you wonder why some of our people from far off clans watch your 'omambala' people with suspicion.
I don't know the level of your exposure but when self image becomes your focal point as against the good of your nation, then know it that you're likely to betray your nation. History cannot be overturned because it is what it is... you don't have to insult other clans to appear superior. Table your facts in a reasonable way and leave the rest for others to judge. That is maturity and the respect you so crave will come naturally. Mocking others and forcing yourself as a leader among them without having practically ruling over them historically will not be accepted by them. They will refute it and that is what I saw them doing. Sometimes they too go overboard and I do challenge them but then I don't resort to insults as that will defeat my aim. It is concessions that give rise to diplomacy which in turn aids growth having won the trust of others.
Now with regards to the old relationships among different areas of Igboland, it has been established that most times, Igbos from a particular locality always have some relationship with the neighbouring clan on both sides. It has never been a one way thing and no one can claim it only existed in one alone. Your Nri - Awka relationship is true and Awka - Owerri relationship exist too. You can never claim otherwise. Historians who labelled such names are not clannish/political like you... It was based solely on observation.
Finally, it is good to be proud of your heritage but you must also think of the future and this is the most important of both. You don't see the Jews today asking for who could trace their genealogy to David or Judah or the likes just to appear superior before fellow Jews. They know it will be dangerous to do. They don't even care if you're a Samaritan today... as long as your dna confirms you to be one of them, they'll accept you as one of them. They learnt this through the hard way. We don't have to pass through that trajectory before we learn. Wise people learn through the experiences of others but the not so wise learn through their own experience which most times leave bitter tastes in their mouth.
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IDENNAA:



I didnt denigrate anybody but I will not stand by and watch some nonentities defame and ridicule the elegant and beautiful culture of Omanbala people. That will not happen. Lately, some people from southern Igbo areas have been working very hard at tarnishing the image of Nri. They want to divide Anambra buy squaring Awka vs Nri online squabbles and I will not let that happen. Anambra people practice a near homogeneous culture excluding towns like Umunze etc.

No one is trying to divide Anambra and no one can do it because the influence the various clans have had on themselves have become so great today that we have fused to become one such that people hardly tell which part of Anambra one is from. This is what I envisage for all Ndigbo but it can't be done by intimidation, suppression, belittling and/or segregation. If by fortune or chance one finds himself in a favourable position that makes me predispose to leading his people, he doesn't need to forcefully assert himself to gain respect. He just needs to flow and relate with such magnanimity that nature bestowed on him and you'll see his people beckon on him to lead them. This is why people like Tuface have been so successful across all regions in Nigeria despite being from a minority tribe.
Let me comment on the Mbaise religious saga which you once mentioned... it is a regrettable thing that happened but if we must be true to ourselves, doesn't it show how such parochiality comes back to hunt us? Don't we do similar religious shenanigans in Anambra? Isn't there a subtle Anglican/Catholic political squabble? Certain things happen so we can learn from them. What the Mbaise clan did was wrong but we must show them maturity by not towing similar line as them as against what we naturally will want to do. Do you remember what the new Enugu state government did immediately after the new state was created? If Ojukwu had been a small man, he would have moved out of Enugu but NO! he stayed back because he knows that that decision was infantile. This is why he remains the EzeIgbo gburugburu. We must look beyond some immediate gratification to get a better and more lasting result.
The near homogeneous culture at present in Anambra state was achieved by choice and not by coercion. This is why non of us kick against it. Any Igbo from outside Anambra who goes into different towns across the 3 senatorial zones will easily see the dialectical differences if he's observant. However, we all chose to identify with Onitsha dialect and adopt other admirable customs from the different clans that make up the state. Today we all have become stronger because it is a natural thing. Allow nature to do its thing among all those and see our nation grow.
I choose not to go down that route of identifying which towns in Anambra that are similar with the your omambala and which are not. I'm very proud of my heritage and also of my nation. Flavour(Ijele Africa) my brother chose to sing his popular song 'gbom gan gbom' in the Nkanu dialect of Enugu state. That's how my people choose to enjoy the beauty of the diversity our Igbo nation can offer. I bet you will appear like a stranger when you visit Orlu or Owerri. I choose to see the bigger picture.
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UdechiHD:
Idenna the fake Nri man. It’s obvious you’ve resurrected your Julius Marlena handle.
Tell us the name of your Kings in your Umuoji? I hope you won’t fail again as you failed in the Pan Igbo thread. Lol!
Reply with your Julius Malema handle?
Oh you think I didn’t remember how you were busted. Omambala my ass.

Spot on... It's the same fulani terrorist aka Meles Zenawi masquerading as IDENNAA.
This is to let Ndigbo know that height those vampires from the Sahel can go to cause confusion for their own profit. Ndigbo k'anyi muru nu anya.

IDENNAA:




That ajani will destroy your pathetic life!! Learn public etiquette!

For your pathetic attempt to divide Igbos along state lines you deserve whatevrer you got

Public etiquette gbakwaa oku

MelesZenawi:



Just shut it

every state is an independent unity and hold no allegiance to another.

Amadi oha tiwaa gi onu!!

What's your business in Igbo matters?

What's your business in Anambra matters?

Yujin:

Spot on... It's the same fulani terrorist aka Meles Zenawi masquerading as IDENNAA.
This is to let Ndigbo know that height those vampires from the Sahel can go to cause confusion for their own profit. Ndigbo k'anyi muru nu anya.

One thing I’m sure is that, IDENNA is the alternate handle of Meleszenawi and JuliusMalema. Check his antecendents on nairaland and you’ll understand his motive.

1. Pitch brothers against brothers
2. Use Omanbala culture to seperate Anambra as a tribe different from other Igbo state.
3. Make Nri as the Ife of Igboland, while downplay other heritage.
4. Denigrate other Igbos states such as Imo, Ebonyi, Enugu, Abia etc.

But ask a him questions about his said village (Umuoji) and he doesn’t know, (rather you see him dish out some fairy tale Nri cultures he learnt online and publish them as Umuoji? . Ask him about the name of his Igwe and Eze and he doesn’t know. Very funny. I have told him to go and learn how to impersonate, because he can’t fool me. He isn’t Igbo, I don’t care what he claims to be.