Igboid:


Igbo is bush in Yoruba and it's not pronounced same as Igbo For Ndiigbo.

Yoruba means Onye-oru-Oba= One who slaves for the Oba, in Igbo language.
Can we say that Yorubas are slaves to their Obas?

It doesn't matter what Igbo means in Yoruba or any other insignificant language out there, what matters is what it means to Ndiigbo who bear it.
And to us, it means a noble and ancient people.

First what's the meaning of Oba
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Secondly ...He stated that the name of Benin...Ilo Ibinu was given by the nri(no proof yet, Jus fables)

Thirdly...it is widely known that It was the Yoruba that gave u guys the name Igbo because of where u lived...
Just as it was Fulani that gave the Yoruba their name also...

Lastly ...I want u to tell me the meaning of Igbo in ur language

All I Jus wanted was for him to prove how the name Ilo Ibinu came from Igbo...

oyatz:
Some people just like very childish chest beating.



It's well documented that in Southern Nigeria, the two most developed and strongest pre-colonial States were Oyo Empire and the Bini Empire.

There was no Igbo Empire. As a matter of fact, the village was the highest political sophistication, east of the Niger.

If British Colonialism had not happened, Onitsha, Oguta and most of the S/East would have become provinces of the Great Benin Empire.




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Speaking of if.
If not for the federal armed forces and UAR armed forces, wouldn't Benin have been a colony of Biafra?
Atleast we've conquered Benin as a whole once, during the Civil War (invasion of Mid-west by Major Banjo of the Biafran armed forces in 1966).
Benin as whole has fallen to Igbos once, can the same be said about Igbos?

I like the way credible and reasonable historians are partaking in this thread. All the Benin mythical lies are being debunked. Benin being among the first to meet the white men is not an avenue to twist history. In the ancient times Bini is a bona-fide vassal of the yoruba. Nothing more than that.
Imagine Bini without any standing army claiming empire when Oyo is around the corner

Bkayyy:
I like the way credible and reasonable historians are partaking in this thread. All the Benin mythical lies are being debunked. Benin being among the first to meet the white men is not an avenue to twist history. In the ancient times Bini is a bona-fide vassal of the yoruba. Nothing more than that.
Imagine Bini without any standing army claiming empire when Oyo is around the corner

It would have done u well to read abt Benin Empire

Even Oyo at the height of its power was not able to conquer Benin so how the fvck did Benin become a vassal of any Yoruba states... .

Infact... Benin were in control of some eastern Yoruba states like Akure, owo, ekiti... Even Lagos that ur lots crave so much for

Next time read

Bkayyy:

Speaking of if.
If not for the federal armed forces and UAR armed forces, wouldn't Benin have been a colony of Biafra?
Atleast we've conquered Benin as a whole once, during the Civil War (invasion of Mid-west by Major Banjo of the Biafran armed forces in 1966).
Benin as whole has fallen to Igbos once, can the same be said about Igbos?

So u take a battle with minimum resistance as victory.... Y'all were always powerless hence the reason u faltered easily at hands of strong opposition at ore

Besides Benin were not independent and didn't have a standing army...So how do u want them to defend themselves...

Why don't u think atimes

Etinosa1234:
••• Just as it was Fulani that gave the Yoruba their name also... •••

@Etinosa: By now you should have known what causes me to disgrace people — and that is lies, especially blatant ones like this one you told here.

That a narrative is oft-repeated (even a quadrillion times) will not suddenly transform it into truth.

“Yoruba” is not a Fulani word otherwise it would have a meaning in their language.

I have Fulani friends and the word “Yoruba” is meaningless in their language.

A word which has got no meaning in your language cannot possibly be indigenous to your people.

I hope this logic is simple enough to follow.

Peace to those who want it.

TAO11:
By now you should have known what causes me to disgrace people — and that is lies, especially blatant ones like this.

That a narrative is oft-repeated a trillion times will not suddenly transform it into truth.

“Yoruba” is not a Fulani word otherwise it would have a meaning in their language.

I have Fulani friends and the word “Yoruba” is meaningless in their language.

A word which has got no meaning in your language cannot possibly be indigenous to your people.

I hope this logic is simple enough to follow.

My bad....it was a Hausa name ... And it refered to pple from the Oyo Empire

Etinosa1234:

Permit me to use ur logic...

The name of ur tribe Igbo means bush ...So we can say that the Yorubas had influence over ur forefathers...

Or the word chicken...has Igbo origins because of the word Chi...

Y'all are so desperate that u grasp at straws

Yoruba is a name given to you by your slave masters. Yoruba means slave in Hausa.
No wonder you lots are never tired of falling at their feet.

JubrilBuhari:


Yoruba is a name given to you by your slave masters. Yoruba means slave in Hause.
No wonder you lots are never tired of falling at their feed.

That's y'all still lick Yoruba ass.
Its a cycle..

Don't let me swear for u for 600yrs

Etinosa1234:


Hey calm down....

I know I read it somewhere that the word Yoruba was given to the People from the Oyo Empire by Ahmed BABA and it didn't apply to all westerners till later

Your comment here is why some scholars opine that no education at all can sometimes be better than incomplete education because of the deadly dangers of the latter.

A person with no education knows their limit, while one with little/half claims expert even in the field of surgery.
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Learn this simple principle and repeat it to yourself 20 times: “Any claim I’m unsure of I won’t make it”.
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But to correct your confusions and outright ignorance as seen in the bolded aspects of your comment above:

(1) First of all be sure of what you’re about to say, otherwise keep it to yourself — but even if you must say what you’re unsure of, then issue a clear disclaimer from the outset.

(2) The name “Yoruba” is an endonym, and as such was not given — this knowledge comes from two facts, viz. (a) the linguistic elements/history of the word, and (b) it’s meaninglessness in the alleged foreign language.

(3) Yes, this name considering its history seem to have first began in exclusive reference to the “Oyo” subgroup.

But this is no evidence that this word emerged as an exonym. In fact, always remember the meaninglessness of this word in the supposed outside languages.

(4) Ahmed Baba was a Timbuktu writer and scholar who wrote about several topics. Today, the earliest known written record of the word “Yoruba” is found in his 1613 work. And there he was talking about an existing people, rather than coining a name for people who didn’t have a name.

Moreover, Ahmed Baba is a Timbukti whose language is Songhay not Fulani.

(5) It wasn’t until much later though that the name “Yoruba” was adopted from the Oyo people as the umbrella/generic term for all the subgroups (including Oyo itself) — prior to this adoption, the umbrella or generic term for all the subgroups used to be “Nago” and “Lucumi”.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Your comment here is why some scholars opine that no education at all can sometimes be better than incomplete education because of the deadly dangers of the latter.

A person with no education knows their limit, while one with little/half claims expert even in the field of surgery.
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Learn this simple principle and repeat it to yourself 20 times: “Any claim I’m unsure of I won’t make it”.
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But to correct your confusions and outright ignorance as seen in the bolded aspects of your comment above:

(1) First of all be sure of what you’re about to say, otherwise keep it to yourself — but even if you must say what you’re unsure of, then issue a clear disclaimer from the outset.

(2) The name “Yoruba” is an endonym, and as such was not given — this knowledge comes from two facts, viz. (a) the linguistic elements/history of the word, and (b) it’s meaninglessness in the alleged foreign language.

(3) Yes, this name considering its history seem to have first began in exclusive reference to the “Oyo” subgroup.

But this is no evidence that this word emerged as an exonym. In fact, always remember the meaninglessness of this word in the supposed outside languages.

(4) Ahmed Baba was a Timbuktu writer and scholar who wrote about several topics. Today, the earliest known written record of the word “Yoruba” is found in his 1613 work. And there he was talking about an existing people, rather than coining a name for people who didn’t have a name.

Moreover, Ahmed Baba is a Timbukti whose language is Songhay not Fulani.

(5) It wasn’t until much later though that the name “Yoruba” was adopted from the Oyo people as the umbrella/generic term for all the subgroups (including Oyo itself) — prior to this adoption, the umbrella or generic term for all the subgroups used to be “Nago” and “Lucumi”.

Cheers!

Don't be faster than ur shadow...

I modified the quote...why don't u check it again

Etinosa1234:
My bad....it was a Hausa name ... And it refered to pple from the Oyo Empire

Again wrong! Wrong because the article still doesn’t say what you’re trying hard to force on it.

It is not an Hausa name. It (including all its regional variants) is meaningless in Hausa language.

“Yoruba”, “Yarba”, “Yarriba”, “Yoruba” are all meaningless in Hausa language — check up a translator if you’re in doubt.

One of the renditions of the word “Yoruba” in Hausa writings is “Yarriba” — again, meaningless in their language.

Captain Clapperton who consulted Sultan Bello’s writings a lot incorporated this spelling from there.

“Yarriba”, “Yarba”, etc. are merely an Hausa written rendition of the word “Yoruba” — not the other way round.

The best transcription of the the syllable “Yo” that the Arabic/Ajami alphabet can produce is “Ya” or at best “Yao” — but never “Yo”. Anyone who knows some Arabic will attest to this.

This idea is similar to an Igbo transcription of “Yoruba” as “Yoloba”. This wouldn’t mean that “Yoruba” came from the Igbos even if a European found the Igbo written rendition.

Etinosa1234:
Don't be faster than ur shadow...

I modified the quote...why don't u check it again

And I have clarified what you still didn’t know.

OfoIgbo:


Two messages ago, I asked you to find out what OGHENE n'UHE meant, and you didn't provide that. I suppose you didn't want to provide that because I was already homing in, and you could smell I was on the right path. You should have used that opportunity to remind me, that you initially wrote that Oghene means Great Lord

Now that we know that OGHENE means LORD. What it means is that OGHENE is not a specific Ooni's name neither is it specific and solely the Bini word for Ooni.

An OGHENE could be applicable to any major ruler in the north or south.

For Nri, it will be OGHENE n'NRI or OGHENE n'NSHI, so for you to carry on this your argument, chiefly because of the word OGHENE, shows how desperate you all are, to corner an Nri achievement, on the basis of a noun that is not specific to Ooni. Or did you think that Ooni is/was the only personality that the word OGHENE could be used for? I have never seen such desperation.

The OGHENE (OGANE) from the east is none other than the Eze Nri, that reigns supreme over the KINGDOM TO THE EAST OF BENIN

Please where is Hellraiser77
Where is MinorityOpinion

I have been meticulously reading the posts here, beginning from the very first post. However, at this point, I must give you a thumbs up for proving beyond reasonable doubt that the Eze Nri was the powerful Oghene/Lord in the East whose influence was encompassing.

Secondly, the Atigba guy is more emotional than factual. You can't expect migration to occur from areas of sparse population to areas of dense population except there was a massacre or epidemic of sorts that wiped out the original Aborigines. Since there was non recorded at that point in history, then it is safe to conclude that those people that came from Idu were originally Igbos who were returning to their ancestral homes. This is the only explanation why they would be reintigrated with ease.

Anyone arguing against these is simply arguing against common sense!!

TAO11:
Again wrong!

It is not an Hausa name.

“Yoruba”, “Yarba”, “Yarriba”, “Yoruba” are all meaningless in Hausa language — check up a translator if you’re in doubt.

One of the renditions of the word “Yoruba” in Hausa writings is “Yarriba” — again, meaningless in their language.

Captain Clapperton who consulted Sultan Bello’s writings a lot incorporated this spelling from there.

“Yarriba”, “Yarba”, etc. are merely an Hausa written rendition of the word “Yoruba” — not the other way round.

The best transcription of the the syllable “Yo” that the Arabic/Ajami alphabet can produce is “Ya” or at best “Yao” — but never “Yo”. Anyone who knows some Arabic will attest to this.

This idea is similar to an Igbo transcription of “Yoruba” as “Yoloba”. This wouldn’t mean that “Yoruba” came from the Igbos even if a European found the Igbo written rendition.

Besides language also encounter change... English as at 16th century ain't completely the same with the one of now

First of ...what's the meaning of Yoruba in Yoruba language

Besides ... Hausa ain't Arabic...The page there states it was of Hausa xenonym

Since u want to bite me because u don't want agree with what clapperton and others have written abt the origin of the word Yoruba...kindly tell me with ur source on the etymology of the word Yoruba
.till then enjoy the page from Maureen Lewis's book "Yoruba and transatlantic slavery

Etinosa1234:


So u take a battle with minimum resistance as victory.... Y'all were always powerless hence the reason u faltered easily at hands of strong opposition at ore

Besides Benin were not independent and didn't have a standing army...So how do u want them to defend themselves...

Why don't u think atimes

"Battle with minimal resistance" that's how it's supposed to be when confronted by a superior force. This is the reason Bini should not be the first to talk about power when discussing with the "big three". Take a look at same history of the Civil War and see why a big three is always a big three. When the same convoy that took Bini in matter of hours faced the yorubas at ore were there minimal resistance as call it? No, there was actually serious resistance showing that they encountered people near or totally their match even though the yoruba were not as motivated as the igbos.
Just know this incase you judge Igbos by the map you see about South East. BINI is equivalent in power as one community in igboland where we have hundreds of it.
Ask yourself this question if the scenario of the Civil War was to repeat itself, can Bini stand Igbos?
The picture below was from Benin city in Mid west during the war. A wise person never measure power with his superiors, be wise and allow the yoruba and hausa-fulani measure power with Igbos

Bkayyy:

"Battle with minimal resistance" that's how it's supposed to be when confronted by a superior force. This is the reason Bini should not be the first to talk about power when discussing with the "big three". Take a look at same history of the Civil War and see why a big three is always a big three. When the same convoy that took Bini in matter of hours faced the yorubas at ore were there minimal resistance as call it? No, there was actually serious resistance showing that they encountered people near or totally their match even though the yoruba were not as motivated as the igbos.
Just know this incase you judge Igbos by the map you see about South East. BINI is equivalent in power as one community in igboland where we have hundreds of it.
Ask yourself this question if the scenario of the Civil War was to repeat itself, can Bini stand Igbos?
The picture below was from Benin city in Mid west during the war. A wise person never measure power with his superiors, be wise and allow the yoruba and hausa-fulani measure power with Igbos

U are very funny...

So u expect Benin that was not longer what it was, Benin that was not independent anymore, benin that had no stake in the war to be heavily involved...

TAO11:
And I have clarified what you still didn’t know.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/10/yoruba-leaders-disagree-over-origin-meaning-of-their-name/

Hear your leaders give their thought on the origin of their name

http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/
Also a Yoruba person also made his research...

It binds on you so u have to try to disprove it

Bkayyy:
Imagine trying to rewrite people's history without their permission. Arọ never said they are doubting their igboness and history but you from far away Edo thinks otherwise and thinks they need to change their history to incorporate you.
This speaks so much of your self esteem.
Any attempt on the history of arọ is an attempt on over 25 arọ communities across igboland

I think it's high time you quit arguing with him, his arguments are all driven by emotions instead of logic/common sense.

Firstly, we are talking about prehistoric times, a Savage era when primitive dwellers did not trust each other. There is no way a non Igbo group or tribe that spoke a totally different language that is not in anyway mutually intelligible with that of the Igbos who were Aborigines to the areas, could successfully cross the River Niger and pass through many Igbo communities on the way, before getting to the present day Bende areas and even displace the Ibibios too. For such an expedition to happen successfully, you would have large numbers or army that would be conquering those you meet on your route otherwise the Aborigines would take you captives as slaves. If the Idu were to be situated on that axis, it could have been a little plausible, but for a small number of non Igbo migrants to move across the entire breath of Igboland before establishing a settlement is a fallacy.

proeast:


I have been meticulously reading the posts here, beginning from the very first post. However, at this point, I must give you a thumbs up for proving beyond reasonable doubt that the Eze Nri was the powerful Oghene/Lord in the East whose influence was encompassing.

Secondly, the Atigba guy is more emotional than factual. You can't expect migration to occur from areas of sparse population to areas of dense population except there was a massacre or epidemic of sorts that wiped out the original Aborigines. Since there was non recorded at that point in history, then it is safe to conclude that those people that came from Idu were originally Igbos who were returning to their ancestral homes. This is the only explanation why they would be reintigrated with ease.

Anyone arguing against these is simply arguing against common sense!!

Nwanne thanks. The revisionism in the land is so great. It is really the duty of every Igbo man to challenge them at every point, never conceding an inch.

Today, all the Benin and Yoruba supremacists are a little subdued. They now know Igbos are no cultural pushovers.

Etinosa1234:


U are very funny...

So u expect Benin that was not longer what it was, Benin that was not independent anymore, benin that had no stake in the war to be heavily involved...

Benin was never powerful when compared to the big three. All Bini stories of power are one sided myths without confirmation from the other party. There is a big difference between mere influence and military might. Bini claims to conquer heaven and earth whereas there is no physical evidence to prove it. Bini conquered Yorubas as they say, yet a Yoruba blood is the Oba. Bini conquered western Igbos as Bini claim, yet there is more Igbo influence on Bini and minimal Bini influence on Western Igbos and none of the western Igbos can narrate how a Bini soldier look like. My brother once a country is considered an ancient power, some elements of their ancient military will still remain till date. The yoruba have aare ona kankafo till date. Ohafia have their war dance which shows their military strategy in ancient times, what does Bini have to prove the might of their ancient milltary? Nothing except tales of how they defeated heaven and earth, how Izoduwa swept the village with palm tree.
Just know this, the picture below is an illustration of where Bini flexes muscle with any member of the big three, especially Igbos that have modern physical history with you that everybody is aware of.

Etinosa1234:
Besides language also encounter change... English as at 16th century ain't completely the same with the one of now

Yes some English words may be out of popular use because of evolution of words, but the etymology and meaning doesn’t disappear into thin air just like that — especially for the word “Yarriba” that was documented by Clapperton in the early/mid-1800s some 200 years ago.

First of ...what's the meaning of Yoruba in Yoruba language

From it’s lexical components and its history the word ”Yoruba” comes from the phrase ”Oyo is King”.

Besides ... Hausa ain't Arabic...The page there states it was of Hausa xenonym

Nobody said Hausa is Arabic — may be you should bother to read what you intend to reply to before replying.

I was describing the writings of Sultan Bello which employs what is called “Ajami“ — an application of the Arabic alphabet/letters in writing Hausa language (and some other African languages). Just as the English alphabet is employed in writing Edo. For example, the word “Egharevba” is an Edo word and not an English word, but I just wrote it down using English alphabets/letters.

Since u want to bite me because u don't want agree with what clapperton and others have written abt the origin of the word Yoruba...

Lol. No where did I mention that Clapperton said that the word “Yoruba” is originally an Hausa word or comes from an indigenous Hausa word. And no writer said that at the period Clapperton was documenting about certain Nigerian cultures.

I simply stated that the writing of Sultan Bello (from where Clapperton got many information) wrote this word as “Yarr.iba”, and Clapperton adopted same spelling.

kindly tell me with ur source on the etymology of the word Yoruba till then enjoy the page from Maureen Lewis's book "Yoruba and transatlantic slavery

I have cited Ahmed Baba the Songhai (early 1600) proving that this word predates both Sultan Bello’s writings and Clapperton himself.

I have stated clearly that Clapperton who was writing in the 1800s simply adopted an Hausa spelling of the word (because of his access to Sultan Bello’s workswhich written reference), not that the word is indigenous and coherent in Hausa language.

Below is an attachment from a work written about the same time as Clapperton’s work (early/mid 1800s) which affirms my point that “Yarri.ba” is only a rendering of the Hausas — not that the word itself is indigenously Hausa. What year was your source written again?? Lol.

OfoIgbo:


Nwanne thanks. The revisionism in the land is so great. It is really the duty of every Igbo man to challenge them at every point, never conceding an inch.

Today, all the Benin and Yoruba supremacists are a little subdued. They now know Igbos are no cultural pushovers.

What caused it is mainly the civil war. It disrupted us individually and collectively, and in the succeeding years, we were struggling to re-establish ourselves and we paid little attention to the damaging propaganda of the revisionists until recently.

We will always counter all those lies and propaganda with superior arguments.

Etinosa1234:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/10/yoruba-leaders-disagree-over-origin-meaning-of-their-name/

Hear your leaders give their thought on the origin of their name

http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/
Also a Yoruba person also made his research...

It binds on you so u have to try to disprove it

I have provided you with an early-1600 citation as well as a mid-1800s source (contemporary with Clapperton) which affirm my point.

Now, how old are your sources??

Bkayyy:

Benin was never powerful when compared to the big three. All Bini stories of power are one sided myths without confirmation from the other party. There is a big difference between mere influence and military might. Bini claims to conquer heaven and earth whereas there is no physical evidence to prove it. Bini conquered Yorubas as they say, yet a Yoruba blood is the Oba. Bini conquered western Igbos as Bini claim, yet there is more Igbo influence on Bini and minimal Bini influence on Western Igbos and none of the western Igbos can narrate how a Bini soldier look like. My brother once a country is considered an ancient power, some elements of their ancient military will still remain till date. The yoruba have aare ona kankafo till date. Ohafia have their war dance which shows their military strategy in ancient times, what does Bini have to prove the might of their ancient milltary? Nothing except tales of how they defeated heaven and earth, how Izoduwa swept the village with palm tree.
Just know this, the picture below is an illustration of where Bini flexes muscle with any member of the big three, especially Igbos that have modern physical history with you that everybody is aware of.

So u are asking what Benin has to prove the might of the ancient military ... Bro .I can't ve educating u for free... if u had... u'll had known abt Arhuan, esigie , Ewuare etc...

Ur ohafia war dance sef is a just a mockery of yourself...Tell me how many villages ur dance have conquered...

Benin form of conquest was not of subjugation but to control trade...

Read this pages for ur brain to reload a bit

proeast:


I think it's high time you quit arguing with him, his arguments are all driven by emotions instead of logic/common sense.

Firstly, we are talking about prehistoric times, a Savage era when primitive dwellers did not trust each other. There is no way a non Igbo group or tribe that spoke a totally different language that is not in anyway mutually intelligible with that of the Igbos who were Aborigines to the areas, could successfully cross the River Niger and pass through many Igbo communities on the way, before getting to the present day Bende areas and even displace the Ibibios too. For such an expedition to happen successfully, you would have large numbers or army that would be conquering those you meet on your route otherwise the Aborigines would take you captives as slaves. If the Idu were to be situated on that axis, it could have been a little plausible, but for a small number of non Igbo migrants to move across the entire breath of Igboland before establishing a settlement is a fallacy.

Well said. It is also noted that in the battle of arọ Chukwu with the ibibio, there was a stalemate before Eze Agwụ invited oké Nnachi which later decided the fate of the war. Now can the Number seeking claimer explain to us how an immigrant from Idu that bears Eze Agwụ (Igbo names) could know his way around igboland, seek alliance with somebody in igboland that has Igbo name, convince him with Idu language that obviously both were not mutual speakers or did they have an interpreter if they were not Igbos.
These guys think we are still in 19th Century where they can lie with English and go away with it

Etinosa1234:

So u are asking what Benin has to prove the might of the ancient military ... Bro .I can't ve educating u for free... if u had... u'll had known abt Arhuan, esigie , Ewuare etc...

Ur ohafia war dance sef is a just a mockery of yourself...Tell me how many villages ur dance have conquered...

Benin form of conquest was not of subjugation but to control trade...

Read this pages for ur brain to reload a bit

Read about Arọ confederacy. Please don't get me wrong when I say Ohafia war dance, it is not a dance of war that looks like poco Lee zanku of Naira Marley gbe body, it is similar to the European military death March. It is called war dance because the Europeans can't call the real name which is "Ikpịrịkpị ọgụ Ohafia", just like the European death March, it is a way of showing military might and not for mere entertainment. Though both the European death March and Ohafia Ikpịrịkpị ọgụ can serve as entertainment to certain people but main aim of the demonstration is military might. It is normally performed before and after a military campaign

Arọ confederacy was the only empire from the south of Nigeria that their aim of conquest was for the control of trade. Don't confuse yourself please

Bkayyy:
Arọ confederacy was the only empire from the south of Nigeria that their aim of conquest was for the control of trade. Don't confuse yourself please

Incase you don't know, Arọ confederacy involves Arọ Chukwu, some parts of ibibio with full militarized clans which includes Ohafia, Abam and Afikpo with sole aim of trade control.
See, Ohafia, Abam and Afikpo are known as full militarized Igbo clans in ancient times, so don't insult yourself if you don't know about other southern tribes history apart from Bini

TAO11:
Yes some English words may be out of popular use because of evolution of words, but the etymology and meaning doesn’t disappear into thin air just like that — especially for the word “Yarriba” that was documented by Clapperton in the early/mid-1800s some 200 years ago.

From it’s lexical components and its history the word ”Yoruba” comes from the phrase ”Oyo is King”.

Nobody said Hausa is Arabic — may be you should bother to read what you intend to reply to before replying.

I was describing the writings of Sultan Bello which employs what is called “Ajami“ — an application of the Arabic alphabet/letters in writing Hausa language (and some other African languages). Just as the English alphabet is employed in writing Edo. For example, the word “Egharevba” is an Edo word and not an English word, but I just wrote it down using English alphabets/letters.

Lol. No where did I mention that Clapperton said that the word “Yoruba” is originally an Hausa word or comes from an indigenous Hausa word. And no writer said that at the period Clapperton was documenting about certain Nigerian cultures.

I simply stated that the writing of Sultan Bello (from where Clapperton got many information) wrote this word as “Yarr.iba”, and Clapperton adopted same spelling.

I have cited Ahmed Baba the Songhai (early 1600) proving that this word predates both Sultan Bello’s writings and Clapperton himself.

I have stated clearly that Clapperton who was writing in the 1800s simply adopted an Hausa spelling of the word (because of his access to Sultan Bello’s workswhich written reference), not that the word is indigenous and coherent in Hausa language.

Below is an attachment from a work written about the same time as Clapperton’s work (early/mid 1800s) which affirms my point that “Yarri.ba” is only a rendering of the Hausas — not that the word itself is indigenously Hausa. What year was your source written again?? Lol.

Just wow!!!

U quoted Samuel Crowther work ... wasn't it Samuel Crowther that popularised the Yoruba word as a collective name for y'all

So Oyo Empire as everyone knows it is now Kingdom of Yoruba... Stop deceiving everyone here...Yoruba has no meaning in the language...

Lol... I've read many articles abt this...All claimed that Yoruba has no meaning in the language...Even Farooq kperogi... Even your fellow Yoruba dissociated themselves from the name...Stop lieing to save fave

Ask the egba pple why they were quick to dissociate demselves from the name in the publication of the first Yoruba newspaper
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/

I also took ur advise to translate Yoruba in a translator...see results

Etinosa1234:
Just wow!!!

U quoted Samuel Crowther work ... wasn't it Samuel Crowther that popularised the Yoruba word as a collective name for y'all

So Oyo Empire as everyone knows it is now Kingdom of Yoruba... Stop deceiving everyone here...Yoruba has no meaning in the language...

Lol... I've read many articles abt this...All claimed that Yoruba has no meaning in the language...Even Farooq kperogi... Even your fellow Yoruba dissociated themselves from the name...Stop lieing to save fave

You fail to see the absurdity and contradiction of your claims here.

On one hand you noted that it was S. Crowther who popularized the word for other subgroups.

Yet on the other you also want to insist that same S. Crowther (a Yoruba man and a Bishop) was making sure that other groups adopt an Hausa name.

Can you now notice the absurdity and contradiction of your claims??

Moreover, the same Samuel Crowther who was writing at about the same time as Clapperton (mid-1800) you that Yarr.iba is an Hausa spelling — And what was your response?: No, the guy writing 100/200 years later knows better.

Furthermore, I am not sure what your point about “Kingdom of the Yoruba” really is! Do you mind explaining yourself more clearly?? Lol.

Ask the egba pple why they were quick to dissociate demselves from the name in the publication of the first Yoruba
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/

No Egba refused the word “Yoruba” saying that it was an Hausa word. That’s simply a blatant lie.

Those who resisted the replacement of “Nago” and “Lucumi” by “Yoruba” did so because the word was an Oyo hegemonic term as I have shown above.

And I’d be waiting for your meaning of “Yoruba”, “Yarriba”, etc. as an Hausa word. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

And lastly, your logic of translating “Yoruba” is really wacky. It is like saying “Benin” is meaningless in Edo language because of gOoGlE tRaNsLaTe.

Moreover, using your logic I’d say “Benin” is an Arabic word because it at least have meaning there. Smiles.

TAO11:
You fail to see the absurdity and contradiction of your claims here.

On one hand you noted that it was S. Crowther who popularized the word for other subgroups.

Yet on the other you also want to insist that same S. Crowther (a Yoruba man) was making sure that other groups adopt an Hausa name.

Can you now notice the absurdity and contradiction of your claims??

Moreover, the same Samuel Crowther who was writing at a very early date as Clapperton informs you that Yarr.iba is an Hausa spelling — And what was your response?: No, the guy writing 100/200 years later knows better.

No Egba refused the word “Yoruba” saying that it was an Hausa word. That’s simply a blatant lie.

Those who resisted the replacement of “Nago” and “Lucumi” by “Yoruba” did so because the word was an Oyo hegemonic term as I have shown above.

But whatever helps you sleep at night.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/11/of-Yoruba-nyamiri-and-aboki/
An article that side talks abt the origin of the word Yoruba
http://www.ekimogundescendant.org/the-true-meaning-of-the-word-yoruba-2/
Obviously u didn't go through this...Read it and u'll see where it was the egba dissociate demselves from it...

I said..it was Crowther that popularised it for y'all...
Ahmed BABA used it to refer to the Oyo Empire

Besides makeshift translation of the word yoruba is false... check a translator

Beside ur article in no where states the origin of Yoruba
.But whatever makes u feel alright