chidifrank:
Read 1 corinthians 12:7-11
Read 1 corinthians 14:1 - to d end. Talks abt gift of phophesy n speaking in tongues. All ds are gifts. Them plenty. not everyone here on nairaland doesn't read and bliv in God. We just read your comments n many others, shake our head, and don't comment. I had to comment today so u know no one knows it all except it's given to Him by Jesus. Good day

So what is the correlation between the topic of discussion and your quotation?

Moses and Jesus had a lot in common is what you want to debunk, so quote the scriptures that says otherwise or relax and learn!

chidifrank:

Don't try to conclude on anyone or judge. For your information, I don't go to church. I am d church and part of the church (body of Christ). My whole self is d temple of God but I don't neglect the gathering of brethren dts why I listen n contribute to word of God both on and offline. Thank u

OK Nairaland is your church shey?

If so you should listen and learn not coming to argue what you can't defend with the scriptures!

I humbled myself to learn from the real Christians and they prayed fervently with me for God's holy spirit to dwell with me so that i can remember everything i learnt through them. John 14:26
If you want to learn you're welcome, but if you want to argue you still have a long way to go!
However true Christians meet together {Hebrews 10:24-25} they go out to preach and teach in their neighbourhood {Matthew 28:19-20} and those who accepted Jesus through their teachings do dedicate their lives to God and get BAPTIZED ! Act 8:34-39
So with which fellowship are you doing all of these as Jesus commanded ?
Because if you're not engaging in all this activities, i'm sorry you're not a Christian!

Maximus69:


Now this is mere assumption!

Let's focus on what the scriptures say not what you're fabricating from your own thinking.
Can you also note that you can't even quote one single verse to buttress your point?
That's what man-made doctrines can do with human brains!
You now abandoned God's word completely and the next thing is wanting everyone to believe your analogy!

I think he wants to tell us that he knows more than Moses, Jesus and Peter combined!

chidifrank:
Read 1 corinthians 12:7-11
Read 1 corinthians 14:1 - to d end. Talks abt gift of phophesy n speaking in tongues. All ds are gifts. Them plenty. not everyone here on nairaland doesn't read and bliv in God. We just read your comments n many others, shake our head, and don't comment. I had to comment today so u know no one knows it all except it's given to Him by Jesus. Good day

Useless man-made doctrines do really have its toll on people, no kidding.

This is what usually happens when a random churchgoer claiming to worship God doesn't know his left from his right when it comes to the Scriptures!

You'll often see them jumping from scripture to scripture without being able to convince the person listening to them

Just one question to you, Maximum69 and DappaD, is the Messiah the God of Moses or not?

elated177:
Just one question to you, Maximum69 and DappaD, is the Messiah the God of Moses or not?

He is NOT the God of Moses!
Of course he worked with God during the time of creation {Proverbs 8:22-30} but Jehovah never shared his glory with any of his creatures. Isaiah 42:8
Jesus was created and he is playing his part in God's arrangement. That doesn't make him our God!
He will rule for 1000 years but Jehovah will take over rulership from him afterwards! 1Corinthians 15:26-28
So Jesus only served as God during those days he walked the earth, that's why Isaiah could say "he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} because his service as God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} WAS within a time frame, no wonder John could say "and the word WAS God" {John 1:1} take note of the past tense, this was because by the time John was writing his gospel account Jesus has finished his earthly assignment!
So the one who has always been God right from the beginning till eternity remains our God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} NOT Jesus!

God bless you!

DappaD, do you agree with Maximum69?

Maximus69:

He is NOT the God of Moses!
Of course he worked with God during the time of creation {Proverbs 8:22-30} but Jehovah never shared his glory with any of his creatures. Isaiah 42:8
Jesus was created and he is playing his part in God's arrangement. That doesn't make him our God!
He will rule for 1000 years but Jehovah will take over rulership from him afterwards! 1Corinthians 15:26-28
So Jesus only served as God during those days he walked the earth, that's why Isaiah could say "he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} because his service as God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} WAS within a time frame, no wonder John could say "and the word WAS God" {John 1:1} take note of the past tense, this was because by the time John was writing his gospel account Jesus has finished his earthly assignment!
So the one who has always been God right from the beginning till eternity remains our God {Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18} NOT Jesus!

God bless you!

Maximum69, before I analyse your response bit by bit, I wanna confirm: are those your personal views or the general views of your group?

elated177:
Just one question to you, Maximum69 and DappaD, is the Messiah the God of Moses or not?

I'll try not to give a generic answer so I'll go straight to the point—

The Messiah or Anointed one(Jesus Christ) is subject to Jehovah God the Most High over the whole earth (Psalm 2:2, 83:18, 1Corinthians 15:27-28, Revelation 3:21)
Moses, a servant of Jehovah prophesied with regards to the coming of another of Jehovah's servant (Deuteronomy 18:15,18). This turned out to be Jesus the Messiah who is the Son of the Most High God(John 1:45, 6:14, Luke 1:31-33, Acts 3:22, 7:37)

So the Bible does make a clear distinction between Jehovah God and Jesus, in that the God of Moses is Jehovah (Exodus 3:15, Deuteronomy 6:4) and the God of Jesus is also Jehovah (Matthew 4:10, 6:9, 22:37, John 17:3, 20:17)

elated177:
DappaD, do you agree with Maximum69?

Everything Maximus69 said up there is Bible-based truth that cannot be disputed.

elated177:


Maximum69, before I analyse your response bit by bit, I wanna confirm: are those your personal views or the general views of your group?

True Christians have the same line of thought on the understanding of the scriptures! John 17:21-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

You may contradict this but you'll never find anyone on this planet whose line of thought will match with yours, Jesus said so {Luke 11:23} you can only find people who will spitefully join you in criticising Jehovah's Witnesses due to our oneness in spirit but you can never find two as in just two persons that can agree on any other explanation apart from what DappaD and i are telling you!

haekymbahd:
Why did you say Jesus is God of moses when they were both sent to preach torah and gospel by the true/real God?

Father that Jesus was refering to does he have a particular name of his or he also bears christ?

John 17

1 WHEN JESUS had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify and exalt and honor and magnify Your Son, so that Your Son may glorify and extol and honor and magnify You.
2 [Just as] You have granted Him power and authority over all flesh (all humankind), [now glorify Him] so that He may give eternal life to all whom You have given Him.

3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, [/b]and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

4 I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.

5 And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed.

[b]6 I have manifested Your Name [I have revealed Your very Self, Your real Self] to the people whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have obeyed and kept Your word.



Deutronomy 6
13 You shall [reverently] fear the Lord your God and serve Him and swear by His name [and presence].

14 You shall not go after other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who are round about you;

15 For the Lord your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and He destroy you from the face of the earth.

Jehovah witness spotted. The only reason the Pharisees plotted and eventually killed Jesus is because they rejected the idea that Jesus is indeed the God that their ancestors worshipped and prayed to.

Our people don return from market!

bloodofthelamb:
Jehovah witness spotted. The only reason the Pharisees plotted and eventually killed Jesus is because they rejected the idea that Jesus is indeed the God that their ancestors worshipped and prayed to.

For your information the guy you're quoting is a Muslim so if you have something tangible to say go ahead and answer his questions, we don't want emotional blackmail and there is no more hiding behind a finger expecting right thinking persons to join you in shouting "foul!" when your claims are exposed as false!

DappaD:


I'll try not to give a generic answer so I'll go straight to the point—

The Messiah or Anointed one(Jesus Christ) is subject to Jehovah God the Most High over the whole earth (Psalm 2:2, 83:18, 1Corinthians 15:27-28, Revelation 3:21)
Moses, a servant of Jehovah prophesied with regards to the coming of another of Jehovah's servant (Deuteronomy 18:15,18). This turned out to be Jesus the Messiah who is the Son of the Most High God(John 1:45, 6:14, Luke 1:31-33, Acts 3:22, 7:37)

So the Bible does make a clear distinction between Jehovah God and Jesus, in that the God of Moses is Jehovah (Exodus 3:15, Deuteronomy 6:4) and the God of Jesus is also Jehovah (Matthew 4:10, 6:9, 22:37, John 17:3, 20:17)

Abraham rejoiced to see my day Jesus said, Before Abraham was I AM!

Jesus is the I AM that I AM that appeared to Moses at the burning bush. From Adam, Enoch, Moses, Joseph, David etc all are shadows of Jesus. They all point us to Jesus, the center of it all.

Maximus69:
Our people don return from market!

For your information the guy you're quoting is a Muslim so if you have something tangible to say go ahead and answer his questions, we don't want emotional blackmail and there is no more hiding behind a finger expecting right thinking persons to join you in shouting "foul!" when your claims are exposed as false!

You guys are the same in reasoning now. Both Muslim and Jehovah witness are related in believe.

1 tim 3 vs 16, 1 tim 1 vs 1, 1 tim 2 vs 3, 1 tim 4 vs 10 , 2 tim 1 vs 10, titus 3 vs 6, titus 1 vs 3 , titus 1 vs 4.

A whole lot of other scriptures show the deity of christ. Kai rule of bible interpretation is a must know.

The senselessness of denying d deity of christ is one that i laugh at.

God is the saviour of the world
jesus is d saviour of the world.

Bless your heart.

OK Sir!

bloodofthelamb:
You guys are the same in reasoning now. Both Muslim and Jehovah witness are related in believe.

Maximus69:


So what is the correlation between the topic of discussion and your quotation?

Moses and Jesus had a lot in common is what you want to debunk, so quote the scriptures that says otherwise or relax and learn!

Of course, Mose and Jesus has a lot in common just like the lamb used for sacrifice in the old testament has a lot in common as well. That is why he is called the lamb of God.
Adam and Jesus has a lot in common as well that is why He is called the last Adam, but all this does not take away the truth that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You're welcome Sir!

bloodofthelamb:
Of course, Mose and Jesus has a lot in common just like the lamb used for sacrifice in the old testament has a lot in common as well. That is why he is called the lamb of God.
Adam and Jesus has a lot in common as well that is why He is called the last Adam, but all this does not take away the truth that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

bloodofthelamb:
Abraham rejoiced to see my day Jesus said, Before Abraham was I AM!

Jesus is the I AM that I AM that appeared to Moses at the burning bush. From Adam, Enoch, Moses, Joseph, David etc all are shadows of Jesus. They all point us to Jesus, the center of it all.

Please what is the name of the church where you worship?
And are you sure a 100% of your church members have this same mentality as yours?
Or this is just your personal opinion?

Maximus69:
Our people don return from market!

For your information the guy you're quoting is a Muslim so if you have something tangible to say go ahead and answer his questions, we don't want emotional blackmail and there is no more hiding behind a finger expecting right thinking persons to join you in shouting "foul!" when your claims are exposed as false!

They are ready to tag anybody exposing their falsehood as a JW

Had it been trinitarians can come to one proper definition of their trinity god, we might give them a listening ear but as it seems, their triune god is so worthless to the point that it can't dispense accurate knowledge about itself to its worshipers!

Maximus69:


True Christians have the same line of thought on the understanding of the scriptures! John 17:21-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Firstly, I have made it crystal clear to you and everyone else, with whom I have had any form of discussion here, that I am not a Christian. I am a follower of Yahushua the Messiah, the Son, and by that very fact, the follower of YAHVEH Almighty, the Father. I believe, keep and teach the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, which the Son - Word - embodies. I believe that the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, if followed and taught, constitute only what could bring justice, fairness, equity, and by that very fact, peace.

Secondly, one is either a follower/servant/saint of Yahushua the Messiah or they ain't. I don't think there is any such thing as true follower or fake follower of the Messiah. You are either following him or you are not. As long as the Messiah is concerned, you are either for him or against him.

Thirdly, it is better to be divided by truth than be united by error or falsehood. The Messiah Yahushua made it clear that his saints will be recognized by the fruits they will bear and not by group, denomination or congregation. It is not even by race, tribe or colour. All his saints will be one, recognized and identified by their obedience to his commands. Wherever the saints of YAHVEH Almighty are, they will be known by their purity, honesty, sincerity, deligence, truthfulness, etc. It doesn't matter whether they are Igbo, Hause, Yoruba, Fulani, Ikwerre, Ijaw, Efik, Jewish, Chinese, German, French, Russian, etc, they will be of the mind of Yahushua the Messiah. This is because the Set-apart Spirit of the Father is in them.

OK, you're welcome Sir!

elated177:



Firstly, I have made it crystal clear to you and everyone else, with whom I have had any form of discussion here, that I am not a Christian. I am a follower of Yahushua the Messiah, the Son, and by that very fact, the follower of YAHVEH Almighty, the Father. I believe, keep and teach the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, which the Son - Word - embodies. I believe that the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, if followed and taught, constitute only what could bring justice, fairness, equity, and by that very fact, peace.

Secondly, one is either a follower/servant/saint of Yahushua the Messiah or they ain't. I don't think there is any such thing as true follower or fake follower of the Messiah. You are either following him or you are not. As long as the Messiah is concerned, you are either for him or against him.

Thirdly, it is better to be divided by truth than be united by falsehood

Maximus69:


You may contradict this but you'll never find anyone on this planet whose line of thought will match with yours, Jesus said so {Luke 11:23} you can only find people who will spitefully join you in criticising Jehovah's Witnesses due to our oneness in spirit but you can never find two as in just two persons that can agree on any other explanation apart from what DappaD and i are telling you!

What line of thought? You think the righteous walk is a popularity contest? The way that leads to life is actually narrow and only a few find it. The righteous walk is not 'mass movement' or band wagon thing. I have said this to you before, the righteouness of one individual cannot be credited to another individual simply because they hobnob or belong to the same 'group'.

You think I am here to criticize any individual or group? Don't flatter yourself. I don't have that kind of time, just in case you have refused to notice. Am I contesting with you for customers, oh I mean members, that I will spend my time and energy criticizing you or your 'group'?

We have agreed on certain issues at one time or the other. That fact shows that I don't do religious sentiments. I am out for the Truth and the Truth I will speak, irrespective of whose ox is gored. I will agree with the Truth when it is spoken, regardless of who says it or who is offended by it. I will disagree, and vehemently too, with falsehood, no matter who says it. That right there, Maximum69, is what it means to follow the Messiah.

elated177:



Firstly, I have made it crystal clear to you and everyone else, with whom I have had any form of discussion here, that I am not a Christian. I am a follower of Yahushua the Messiah, the Son, and by that very fact, the follower of YAHVEH Almighty, the Father. I believe, keep and teach the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, which the Son - Word - embodies. I believe that the Ten Commandments of Yahveh Almighty, if followed and taught, constitute only what could bring justice, fairness, equity, and by that very fact, peace.

Secondly, one is either a follower/servant/saint of Yahushua the Messiah or they ain't. I don't think there is any such thing as true follower or fake follower of the Messiah. You are either following him or you are not. As long as the Messiah is concerned, you are either for him or against him.

Thirdly, it is better to be divided by truth than be united by error or falsehood. The Messiah Yahushua made it clear that his saints will be recognized by the fruits they will bear and not by group, denomination or congregation. It is not even by race, tribe or colour. All his saints will be one, recognized and identified by their obedience to his commands. Wherever the saints of YAHVEH Almighty are, they will be known by their purity, honesty, sincerity, deligence, truthfulness, etc. It doesn't matter whether they are Igbo, Hause, Yoruba, Fulani, Ikwerre, Ijaw, Efik, Jewish, Chinese, German, French, Russian, etc, they will be of the mind of Yahushua the Messiah. This is because the Set-apart Spirit of the Father is in them.

You're just another comedian shey?

Because you should be performing at the stand up Nigeria Comedy show!

How come you're just spewing gibberish without asking to learn what you don't know?

Jesus said "by THEIR FRUIT you will know them" and you just think it's just by observing each person living in your neighbourhood. Moreover you don't even know the meaning of FRUIT that Jesus talked about, and stop deceiving yourself with the useless Yahushua stuff, nobody cares about the way you pronounce the name of the Messiah but what he taught people in order to make peace reign.
For your information, you must be a Christian before you can enter into the kingdom of our God, you may be pissed off with all the atrocities done in the name of Christianity but you still need to IDENTIFY those practicing what Jesus taught, that's the import of his statement "by THEIR FRUIT you will know THEM"

THEIR and THEM indicates collectivism not individualism!

elated177:


What line of thought? You think the righteous walk is a popularity contest? The way that leads to life is actually narrow and only a few find it. The righteous walk is not 'mass movement' or band wagon thing. I have said this to you before, the righteouness of one individual cannot be credited to another individual simply because they hobnob or belong to the same 'group'.

You think I am here to criticize any individual or group? Don't flatter yourself. I don't have that kind of time, just in case you have refused to notice. Am I contesting with you for customers, oh I mean members, that I will spend my time and energy criticizing you or your 'group'?

We have agreed on certain issues at one time or the other. That fact shows that I don't do religious sentiments. I am out for the Truth and the Truth I will speak, irrespective of whose ox is gored. I will agree with the Truth when it is spoken, regardless of who says it or who is offended by it. I will disagree, and vehemently too, with falsehood, no matter who says it. That right there, Maximum69, is what it means to follow the Messiah.

There's no problem my friend, i believe in GROUP you don't so go and worship your own God, my own God is the GOD of a unique GROUP!

Maximus69:

He is NOT the God of Moses!

Yahushua the Messiah was and is the God of Moses. He was and is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

John 5 :39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Moses did not make such an assertion. Only God could, who is the source of life, could make such an assertion.

So, Maximum69, Yahushua the Messiah is the God of Moses. Yahushua the Messiah is my God, my Elohim.


Hebrews 3:5-6 Moses was faithful as a servant in all of YHVH's house, bearing witness to what would be spoken by YHVH in the future. But the Messiah is faithful as the Son over YHVH's house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.

John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM HE, you will indeed die in your sins.

Yahushua the Messiah is the God of Moses.

Maximus69:


There's no problem my friend, i believe in GROUP you don't so go and worship your own God, my own God is the GOD of a unique GROUP!

Hold your horse first. I am not done with the previous comments.

Maximus69:


Of course he worked with God during the time of creation {Proverbs 8:22-30} but Jehovah never shared his glory with any of his creatures. Isaiah 42:8

No matter what you say or claim, Maximus69, you have no iota of regard or respect for the Word of Yahveh Almighty, Yahushua the Messiah. Your assertion above has underscored it without any form of ambiguity.

Isaiah 42:8 I am YHVH; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another, or my praise to idols.

It is actually simple to understand, unless one wants to deceive himself or herself. The Father and the Son are one. The Father and his Word, his Son, are one. The Father and the Son have the same name, because the Father has given his name to his Son. Whoever that does not honour the Word of the Father; does not honour the Father. Whoever obeys the Word; obeys the Owner of the Word.

Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!

John 14:6 Yahushua answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Maximus69, Moses did not say this about himself. Only the Word of the Father, God himself could have authoritatively said this. So, Maximus69, Yahushua the Messiah is the God of Moses.

Maximus69:


Jesus was created and he is playing his part in God's arrangement. That doesn't make him our God!

He will rule for 1000 years but Jehovah will take over rulership from him afterwards! 1Corinthians 15:26-28

Yahushua the Messiah, the Word of Yahveh, is playing his part in the Father's arrangement, of course. Is it possible for the Word not to play his part in the plan and arrangement of the Owner of the Word?

Just consider me, a mere mortal, are my words playing their own part in our discourse or not?

Then, how much more the Word of the Supreme Being, the Creator of all things?

So, Maximus69, the Messiah Yahushua, the begotten Son and Word of the Father, Yahveh Almighty, is playing his own part as the way, the truth and the life in the Father's plan and arrangement.

So, yes, Maximus69, Yahushua the Messiah is my God. The Word of the Father, Yahveh El Shaddai is my God. I worship the Word of Yahveh Almighty. And because the Word of Yahveh Almighty is my God, I am qualified to say with all boldness that Yahveh Almighty is my God. I can not have one without the other. It is not possible.

John 8:24 , Matthew 16:13-16 said it all . thank you @ elated177 and @chidifrank.
no need to argue with them. let them bliv what they bliv. d end sha tell.
Jesus is God and God of all Human race. He has a Father d one and only Almighty God. whoever appeared to any man from Genesis to Revelation is Christ Jesus. John 1:1 the WORD was GOD. so He Jesus was GOD from the beginning appearing to both Moses and the rest. Remember He said no one including Moses, Adam and d rest go to d Father(Almighty God) except through Him. Moses and many others bears fruits of Him which is prophesy etc.

Maximus69:




So Jesus only served as God during those days he walked the earth, that's why Isaiah could say "he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} because his service as God just like Moses {Exodus 7:1} WAS within a time frame, no wonder John could say "and the word WAS God" {John 1:1} take note of the past tense, this was because by the time John was writing his gospel account Jesus has finished his earthly assignment!

I could say a lot in response to your assertion above, however, let the Scripture below suffice.

John 3:16 For YHVH so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Maximus69, does that Scripture mean anything to you, at all?