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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by asanwafo: 7:49am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Did Jesus render annual account to his followers with what Judas kept as treasurer? Didn't Jesus receive gifts? Didn't Paul receive gifts? By the way, no one is forced to belong to any church so if you do not agree with how funds are spent, you can always leave instead of talking all deranged.
I doubt ur literacy

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Kingspin(m): 7:51am On Aug 25, 2020
helinues:
If the churches are not ready to abide by the law of the land, they should be deregistered
In Knu voice



Mad people everywhere.
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by fadaroking: 7:52am On Aug 25, 2020
CAMA has come to takeover satanic churches which was run in the guise of a real church. Watch out peeps!

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by asanwafo: 7:52am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
You mean countries with homosexuality laws?
Are U better in ur country with pseudo anti-homosexual laws
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Kingspin(m): 7:53am On Aug 25, 2020
donnie:


Are the churches not organized corporately? Okay, let's assume that they aren't. They are rigistered as Charities right? Shouldn't there be some sort of supervision to ensure that funds being collected are used for the said charitable purposes?

Don't you think this will keep business men posing as priests or pastors away from "minstry"?
How people spend their money should border you.
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by femmy2010(m): 7:53am On Aug 25, 2020
Catholic Church , Baptist Church , Apostolic Church ,Foursquare Church, Seventh Day Adventist Chruch ,NASFAT,NASFAT, QUAREB, etc are not complaining.
Why is it that only those that looks like a one man business are complaining?

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by ELibraryNG: 7:53am On Aug 25, 2020
CAMA Policy is what the church get for keeping quiet in the face of tyranny

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Tell1234: 7:53am On Aug 25, 2020
paxonel:
the pattern he is referring to is an autocratic system where pastors spend church money without the church members or the government questioning them. Is that suppose to be a pattern from God?
church system is light years ahead of any government system and when you talk of accountability and transparency in financing and reporting the church have shown more integrity than this abrakadabra government where loots are been recovered in billions and re- looted by same government.
The end game is to start taxing the religious bodies to support their wasteful life style.

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Offpoint: 7:54am On Aug 25, 2020
paxonel:
the pattern he is referring to is an autocratic system where pastors spend church money without the church members or the government questioning them. Is that suppose to be a pattern from God?
There's no pastor that can spend church fund without the consent of deacons.
Every penny is recorded and accounted. I don't know about other churches.
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by rajiedreez: 7:54am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Shut it.
e shock you? Lool
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by BreconHills(m): 7:55am On Aug 25, 2020
Afolabimills:
u never made a reasonable point it's obvious u don't study ur Bible well church pay tax mind u but for govt to say they can appoint part of board of trustees is not right?

The law can do anything to you when you are subject to it - it can even kill you. But the church was never supposed to be registered by the state and its law? What makes the church? Is it the gathering of the believers together under the authority of the name of Jesus Christ ( his name is most exalted)/ or the incorporation under CAMA and the gathering under the authority of the state? Must a church be incorporated? You can not have your cake and eat it, you can not enjoy the benefits doled out by your registration by the state and then turn around to say you are under Christ? There is a huge difference between law for the peaceful organization of society and law regulating the church? Why do you subject yourself willingly to a law that regulates the church when you are under no legal compulsion to do so?/Do you know the history of the Church pre Constantine or do you simply follow what you were born into - what you see around you? This is a matter of discernment not of knowledge.

You say the church pays tax - of course it does if it is registered. But if twelve or fifteen people meet in a home under the authority of Jesus Christ and they observe the noise limits for residential zoning - are they not the church? Can they be taxed? Of course not.

I thank God that in these times, the sifting of the church has begin so that the glorious church in it's foolishness and weakness may be revealed through the grace of God. The martyrs did not die in vain.

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by asanwafo: 7:56am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Boxed into a corner, you are forced to speculate about Jesus. I like that.


By the way, I don't care about Oyedepo or Oyakhilome rendering account for me to see. I release my tithes towards God through them willingly unlike tax I am compelled to pay.

How many account have govt rendered to me. The average project done for less than half a billion under Oyedepo and Oyakhilome goes for many many billion under govt that's fighting corruption and you expect me to want a rendering of account from a church I am not compelled to remain or forced to join? You must be deeply stúpid.
How many project have they done for the people apart from expanding the coast of their businesses?
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by NaMeAboki: 8:06am On Aug 25, 2020
Simply put; Bishop Oyedepo is a religious and tribal bigot who thrives on preaching hatred and division to his gullible flock rather than peace and unity in accordance with his calling as a man of God.

He is lying to say CAMA is exclusively targeted at the Church because it isn't ; the law included not only the Church but also all other religious and non governmental organisations (NGOs) without bias.

On the other hand, the bigot would rather abide by the same types of laws for his Church branches in Europe and America but would not succumb to do same in his own country - what a hypocrite!

He apparently represents a growing number of sub-Saharan pastors who amass a tremendous amount of wealth against the contrasting backdrop of poverty among their increasing followers; contrary to their counterparts in the said Europe and America.

It is therefore not hard to read meaning into his strong opposition to this law - because the days of fleecing their flocks to support such flamboyantly lavish jetset lifestyle on display by some of them may soon be over.

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by ICEWIN: 8:07am On Aug 25, 2020
If the church has 100% transperency,i see nothing wrong if they abide by what the govt want.
many church divert church fund,the govt can't just wake up and make such policy,they have there reason.
any church that has truth and open heart would concor.
mind you the policy is not for church alone,but why are u people shading more light on church alone?
the policy is simple,if u dont want it u remove your organization,church,NGO from CAC.
mind u the church is not an organization or building,the church are the congregation headed by an individual.
u and i both know the policy is good.
Nigeria churches abroad are control by the govt over there,the Nigeria overseers did not challenge the govt,dey abide.
CodeTemplar:
Did Jesus render annual account to his followers with what Judas kept as treasurer? Didn't Jesus receive gifts? Didn't Paul receive gifts? By the way, no one is forced to belong to any church so if you do not agree with how funds are spent, you can always leave instead of talking all deranged.
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Nobody: 8:10am On Aug 25, 2020
emmanuelewumi:




You can use your money to establish a bank, but once you start receiving deposits for m outsiders and members of the public, you are expected to be regulated by SEC, CBN, NSE etc.


U committing fallacy.....the church doesn’t come under CBN, SEC, NDIC, regulation..... banks, investment companies mode of operation is to collect and keep, or collect and increase...the public has to get their money back.... so asides regulation for tax collection, they are also protecting the masses so their money can be safe whenever they are ready to collect it back..is that not whey financial houses have to have a minim amount with CBN before starting operation...

NGOs isn’t business or profit oriented but their mode of operation is to collect and use for humanitarian service .....they must be used for that...

The problem with the church is that the monies aren’t for safe keeping, they aren’t for humanitarian service... they are just gift...that’s the problem..so unless gorvenent wants to force churches to pay tax, or the public from giving 100naira on sunday... what’s the point...


The government can see churches’ books, it won’t amount to anything except churches that Mayb laundering money for drug cartels....

..Where the church is concerned is the clause that an action by the appointed governmental head cannot be challenged.....that’s where this CAMA is a weapon....no one’s opinion/say should be unchallengable.....it’s a clause that has an agenda hidden by it....... even the president’s action isn’t final....
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by bkool7(m): 8:11am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Did Jesus render annual account to his followers with what Judas kept as treasurer? Didn't Jesus receive gifts? Didn't Paul receive gifts? By the way, no one is forced to belong to any church so if you do not agree with how funds are spent, you can always leave instead of talking all deranged.

Did Jesus pay tax?
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by damosky12(m): 8:11am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Boxed into a corner, you are forced to speculate about Jesus. I like that.


By the way, I don't care about Oyedepo or Oyakhilome rendering account for me to see. I release my tithes towards God through them willingly unlike tax I am compelled to pay.

How many account have govt rendered to me. The average project done for less than half a billion under Oyedepo and Oyakhilome goes for many many billion under govt that's fighting corruption and you expect me to want a rendering of account from a church I am not compelled to remain or forced to join? You must be deeply stúpid.

My dear brother. This is obviously an attack. There are spiritual undertones to it. While we speak against it, we also have to pray.

We have a Government that has never been accountable with public funds and the taxes we are forced to pay.

We have a regime that is known to be totally corrupt - from electioneering processes to the activities of public agencies.

We have lots of mistrust, violence and insecurity in the military, among politicians - political assassinations, thuggery, terrorism, etc.

We have politicians who keep bullion van monies at home.

Yet, drastic steps aren't taken to address these. The church that people willingly give to is now their problem.

What's funny is that people who, normally, are aware of the ineptitude and decadence in our government are in support of this, just because they hate big churches and their pastors.

Obviously, virtually all of those supporting this move are people who do not give to churches. They are people who have had issues with churches.

But, they won't succeed!
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by paxonel(m): 8:14am On Aug 25, 2020
Offpoint:

There's no pastor that can spend church fund without the consent of deacons.
Every penny is recorded and accounted. I don't know about other churches.
so what do the church use the money for?
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Nobody: 8:15am On Aug 25, 2020
ICEWIN:
If the church has 100% transperency,i see nothing wrong if they abide by what the govt want.
many church divert church fund,the govt can't just wake up and make such policy,they have there reason.
any church that has truth and open heart would concor.
mind you the policy is not for church alone,but why are u people shading more light on church alone?
the policy is simple,if u dont want it u remove your organization,church,NGO from CAC.
mind u the church is not an organization or building,the church are the congregation headed by an individual.
u and i both know the policy is good.
Nigeria churches abroad are control by the govt over there,the Nigeria overseers did not challenge the govt,dey abide.

Have u listened to any of the opinion of the pastors including pstor Oyedepo?? Checking their financial records isn’t really the problem...
The church is a gift collection body... what will ghe goventment see in such books... inflow from those giving by checks and transfer, and cash deposit after counting 100 and 50naira every sunday...

Where the church is concerned is the clause that an action by the appointed governmental head cannot be challenged.....that’s where this CAMA sounds like a weapon....no one’s opinion/say should be unchallengable.....it’s a clause that has an agenda hidden by it....... even the president’s action isn’t final.......
how can the government say we are appointing someone over you and whatever the person does isn’t challengable in a court....doesn’t that sound funny...

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by FatherOfJesus: 8:15am On Aug 25, 2020
The church is rotten and its a den for thieves. This has to be minitored
backnbeta:
CAMA is not only about accountability, it's a deliberate fight against the leadership of the church and the body of Christ generally. How can the government, our own government for that matter dip their hands in the church's management when we know that whatever they touch gets destroyed?

I am a Christian, call me a sheeple, but I will rather have my money spent by the GO than have the government spend my money after I've been overly taxed by the same governmentundecided
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by damosky12(m): 8:17am On Aug 25, 2020
femmy2010:
Catholic Church , Baptist Church , Apostolic Church ,Foursquare Church, Seventh Day Adventist Chruch ,NASFAT,NASFAT, QUAREB, etc are not complaining.
Why is it that only those that looks like a one man business are complaining?

Virtually all churches are complaining. I don't know Muslim organizations.

If the government had been more accountable, don't you think no one will have an issue.

The taxes you pay, and the billions and trillions in custody of the govt are always disappearing into a few hands.

Don't you sincerely think the government should put their house in order first, before interfering with other people?
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Psoul(m): 8:19am On Aug 25, 2020
Government just want to humble church which is not possible. They want total control of the church so that church will not be strong again to oppose their wickedness.

You mean to tell me that as we have registered our Friends Club with the CAC, the government should oversee our donations and how we use the money even without any member petitioning to government that funds are bn misused?

A government that cannot manage the Tax-payers money, monies generated by Ministries and Parastatals now want to control how church funds are bn managed. What a crap.

Those supporting this evil plan, cos of your hatred towards the church of God and jealousy against Men of God, you should not cry when the real agenda start to manifest.
Government is not trying to do this for the good of anyone. They have never done anything for the good of the common man. It has always bn for their own selfish interest and this one is not an exceptional.

Let's see how it unfolds.
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Offpoint: 8:19am On Aug 25, 2020
paxonel:
so what do the church use the money for?
Church maintenance, evangelism, sponsored orphans and windows children in school.

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Globad(f): 8:20am On Aug 25, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Funds are not collected but donated willingly. The donors are continually donating knowing what the funds are used for so what is the role of an uninvited third party - the government?

Why are you afraid of accountability and transparency?

What will you guys lose by getting your numerous churches and mosques to be transparent?

Naija!
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Globad(f): 8:21am On Aug 25, 2020
ELibraryNG:
CAMA Policy is what the church get for keeping quiet in the face of tyranny

So, accountability is the same thing as tyranny?

Chai!
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by foreshore(m): 8:21am On Aug 25, 2020
XXXXTENTACION:
undecided Nowadays the ways some churches are being run like business centers.

it becomes more interesting to see pastors building mansions, buying private jets, and living in luxury cry while their members leave in abject poverty tongue but anyway Jesus lived a humble life.
undecided

Obviously you are only a "Christian" by religion and not by life style. So a minister who can be an Alhaji can adjudicate in a spiritual issue he knows nothing and can never know anything about? You don't look at the pros of the matter but carnal issues and that beclouded your thinking



in developed climes churches are registered and regulated i don't know what all this fuss is about cool
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Openbusiness: 8:23am On Aug 25, 2020
FatherOfJesus:
The church is rotten and its a den for thieves. This has to be minitored
Monitored by who: is it The House of ReprentaThieves or the Senathieves or the Federal Government of looting for looting by looting - who should monitor pls Oh, yeah, according to you, the Church is a "rotten den of thieves" that should be monitored by the most rotten biggest thieves in the world, yeah right, you're really super intelligent I can see that grin
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by farem: 8:24am On Aug 25, 2020
helinues:


Should that be the right question to ask at this time...

Let's see how government will oversee church income and then we can determine the level of transparency.

No going back about this...

If you are not bothered about the financial integrity, then you are like the ones suggesting that a lunatic should be appointed to oversee a psychiatric!
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by emmanuelewumi(m): 8:25am On Aug 25, 2020
1StopRudeness:


U committing fallacy.....the church doesn’t come under CBN, SEC, NDIC, regulation..... banks, investment companies mode of operation is to collect and keep, or collect and increase...the public has to get their money back.... so asides regulation for tax collection, they are also protecting the masses so their money can be safe whenever they are ready to collect it back..is that not whey financial houses have to have a minim amount with CBN before starting operation...

NGOs isn’t business or profit oriented but their mode of operation is to collect and use for humanitarian service .....they must be used for that...

The problem with the church is that the monies aren’t for safe keeping, they aren’t for humanitarian service... they are just gift...that’s the problem..so unless gorvenent wants to force churches to pay tax, or the public from giving 100naira on sunday... what’s the point...


The government can see churches’ books, it won’t amount to anything except churches that Mayb laundering money for drug cartels....

..Where the church is concerned is the clause that an action by the appointed governmental head cannot be challenged.....that’s where this CAMA is a weapon....no one’s opinion/say should be unchallengable.....it’s a clause that has an agenda hidden by it....... even the president’s action isn’t final....


Charitable organizations and NGOs have the option of deregistering.

Accountability and corporate governance is alien to us and it needs to start from somewhere.

Religious organizations ought to be the light of the world and they have to let the light shine.

Churches in Nigeria with affiliation with the West don't issues with this, because this is what they have been doing for ages, some of the will produce their audited accounts for the past 30 years

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Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by hardon1(m): 8:27am On Aug 25, 2020
Does this cama thing also apply to mosques as well sad angry angry angry
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by emmanuelewumi(m): 8:28am On Aug 25, 2020
hardon1:
Does this cama thing also apply to mosques as well sad angry angry angry


All charitable Organizations, NGOs, Associations and business organizations
Re: BISHOP OYEDEPO: Is CAMA Policy Antichurch? by Handy007: 8:29am On Aug 25, 2020
donnie:


Do you think the government is in position to oversee church income at this time, given the level of transparency wrt government funds.
You are among those that want this Nigeria to be like the western world and you criticize their government process that Nigeria is trying to copy
Or don't you know in the United kingdom Churches account are been monitored? Because of high level of fraudulent activity

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