Csonice1:


Philippians 2:5&6
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Janosky:


John 14:28 , "my Father is greater than I am".
John 20:17 my Father and our God.
and Revelation 3:5, I will confess to my Father"
Jesus Christ says himself is not equal to God, his Father whether in heaven or earth.

Bros, believe the statement of Jesus and shun that fraudulent twisting of Philippians 2:6.

Just imagine... You claim to follow Jesus but you're trying so hard to disprove Jesus Christ..

Imperfect Slave wey know pass him perfect Master na WAYO slave

Maximus69:


Just recollect how your TRINITY Dogheads made you a confusionist until DrLiveLogic came to your rescue!

Maximus69:


Tell everyone on this forum the lie nah!

Abi you never said "Jesus differs from Jehovah"

And later on the same thread

"Jesus is the same person as Jehovah"

Janosky:

That is Proverbs 8:22, Lord Jehovah created me..
You no see am for there ?

Csonice1:


u are a blasphemer.

I repeat:

when Paul lays hands and the sick gets healed;
The Father, Son and Spirit worked together to bring that reality (healing) into existence.
I can't separate them.

what Christ did was the greatest manifestation of humility that even most of the beneficiaries can't understand.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

DrLiveLogic:

And I'm still coming with more truths y'all can't stand on my Triuneness thread. Janosky is still not tired of quoting verses about the son of Man, and the son of God. Janosky go and read my GOAT movie thread and save yourself from your delusion. All these scriptures you're quoting cannot save your life, learner.

DrLiveLogic:

We are all used to you JWs, Janosky, DappaD, and co. When you cannot override the truth of the bible, you start looking for how to psychologically manipulate those that do and start trying to create division.
FYI, Csonice1, solite3, bloodofthelamb, Emusan and the rest of us all agree that the bible makes the Father, Word and Spirit, One and coequals. Our english may communicate it differently because it's an imperfect language. None of us can even boast of understanding it perfectly until we reach perfection hence like Paul says, we all see in part, but our case is better than y'all because we believe God and his words while y'all hate truth but love your leaders who control your sheeple minds.

And I'm still coming with more truths y'all can't stand on my Triuneness thread. Janosky is still not tired of quoting verses about the son of Man, and the son of God. Janosky go and read my GOAT movie thread and save yourself from your delusion. All these scriptures you're quoting cannot save your life, learner.

As for your Proverbs 8:22 dilemma. You learners should look up the word qanah. It was used 84 times and 99% of the time was translated "owned, possessed, procured". Stop deceiving yourselves the word for create, "bara" is completely different. God possessed wisdom from the start as a divine property and attribute, that is what is being said. He didn't create wisdom.
Wisdom is also given a female personality throughout Proverbs not a male personality hence it does not refer to Michael or Jesus Christ but rather speaks of a divine property.

Blabbermouth:

When you come with more truths.
Help me also with showing without doubt that Jesus was Divinity become Humanity with the OLD TESTAMENT ONLY!

bloodofthelamb:

That means your Lord Jehovah had no wisdom and foolish until he created it for himself. Is like you guys has comprehension problem.

Janosky:
Bros, there is no mystery there..
According to your Bible, The Hebrew EL (God) is a title of Man, Yahweh, angels and Jesus Christ.

No need trying so hard to build a FRAUD around it.

Csonice1:


u are a blasphemer.





I repeat:

when Paul lays hands and the sick gets healed;
The Father, Son and Spirit worked together to bring that reality (healing) into existence.
I can't separate them.

what Christ did was the greatest manifestation of humility that even most of the beneficiaries can't understand.


Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Imperfect Slave (John 20:28) wey Una say him sabi pass him perfect Master (John 20:17,31) show say una be WAYO slave.
Rev3: 5,12, na Jesus talk am

You dey claim say Yahweh died on earth, that is the Koko of blasphemy

Janosky:


Imperfect Slave (John 20:28) wey Una say him sabi pass him perfect Master (John 20:17,31) show say una be WAYO slave.
Rev3: 5,12, na Jesus talk am

You dey claim say Yahweh died on earth, that is the Koko of blasphemy

Csonice1:


Answered in my post up there: this reply is a proof that you didn't read till the end, neither did you check out the Scriptures.

People like you find it hard agreeing with God's Word and when it becomes irrefutable you doubt it's authenticity. To win an argument is too small a reason for me to type such. [ I refer you the post up there] the aim is not to make you feel less of a Bible scholar; but to edify The Church; through unadulterated Word of God.

Janosky:


Rev3:5,12,21 is revelation from the spiritual realm.

Do you know spiritual matters more than Jesus Christ?

Janosky:


Are you not in the form of your Father?
John 14:28, Are you your father?

Imperfect Slave (John 20:28) wey Una say him sabi pass him perfect Master (John 20:17,31) show say una be WAYO slave.
Rev3: 5,12, na Jesus talk am

You dey claim say Yahweh died on earth, that is the Koko of blasphemy

Blabbermouth:

I don't believe Jesus is Angel Michael but Janosky was right.

Division of labour... Right?

Okay?

Commentary: The writer here is telling us to emulate something about Christ. Which is?

Commentary: The phrase "in the form of God" ... Is to say "the nature of God".... So the writer is saying Christ had the nature of God but he didn't let that Get in his Head and start thinking he himself is equal to God.

Commentary: Even with the nature of God, he expressed himself like a servant[/b]

Commentary: This Christ who was fashioned as a man humbled himself and was obedient unto death....
What shall we say then, Jesus is God Almighty with this verse?

Csonice1:


Humility:
What Christ did was a remarkable manifestation of humility. He is meant to be a role model to us. Why shouldn't a man be humble if Christ being equal to God could strip himself of glory to fulfill the predeterminate council; and was obedient unto death?


This is God's Word, we need not cut it to suit us: since you seek a more elaborate explanation, therefore let's use the amplified version. I will attach it below.
He knew he was equal with God; he just laid it down: didnt let it stop him from achieving his goal: He kind of dropped his rights to the throne and took the form of a man. All for our sakes.



Jesus is an integral dimension of God; Having the qualites that make God God; creator, He who sits on the throne, having all authority in heaven and on Earth.(John1:1-3)
(Acts20:28 agrees with this witness too).

As he stripped himself of the right to the throne, he entrusted all glory to God the Father ; being the custodian of all Authority and power having equal rights to the throne. He[Christ] became way lower, even lower than the angels. This version of him had to be Subject to the Father until Glory is bestowed upon Him again. This He did all for our sakes; every single moment of it. What a love! Greater love hath no man than this..

Philippians2:5-11
AMP:Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6
AMP: Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,

7
AMP:But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.

8
AMP:And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!


9
AMP:Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him The Name that is above every name,

10
AMP:That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11
AMP:And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

I think this version is very elaborate and nice .[pls, refer to a post I made earlier today: it will help us with the rest of the questions]

Maximus69:
@bloodofthelamb, it's either you agree with JWs that God created Jesus (Michael) or that God created his own wisdom as your TRINITY cohorts are insinuating.

There's no third option Sir!

Emusan:


Who among us said God created His own wisdom here?

Shameless Lying mouth.

When it's obvious here that you are the very one who that statement should be directed at because you claimed the wisdom in Prov 8 (even when your lying organization says it's wisdom personification) is Jesus Christ and Jesus was a created being according to you yet the Scripture said Jesus Christ is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD.

So it means God created His own wisdom!

You have been shown in various verses and versions how God ALONE and by HIMSELF created heavens and earth, yet you are wallowing in your delusions of God using another creature AGENT which then makes God a liar something boldly written in the scripture.

Here are more verses that put your man made doctrine of God uses a creature AGENT into dustbin.

Job 9:8

CJB
He alone spreads out the sky and walks on the waves in the sea.

CEV
God alone stretched out the sky, stepped on the sea,

DARBY
Who alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the high waves of the sea;

DRA
Who alone spreadeth out the heavens, and walketh upon the waves of the sea.

GNV
He himself alone spreadeth out the heavens, and walketh upon the height of the Sea.

GW
He stretches out the heavens by himself and walks on the waves of the sea.

GNT
No one helped God spread out the heavens or trample the sea monster's back.

In fact I love the way GNT rendered that verse!

And also, it was written here that at creation Yahweh is the one walking on water as supported by Genesis 1:2 but unfortunately for you, your man made doctrine teaches that it's the ACTIVE FORCE of God.

Nehemiah 9:6

KJ21
Thou, even Thou, art Lord alone; Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens with all their host, the earth and all things that are therein, the seas and all that is therein; and Thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshipeth Thee.

ASV
Thou art Jehovah, even thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all things that are thereon, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

CEB
You alone are the Lord. You alone made heaven, even the heaven of heavens, with all their forces. You made the earth and all that is on it, and the seas and all that is in them. You preserve them all, and the heavenly forces worship you.

CJB
“‘You are Adonai, you alone. You made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their array, the earth and all the things that are in it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you.[/b]

The @underlined phrase "and you preserve them all" is the same wording in Hebrew 1:3 when we read that the Son is the one who sustain all creation by His power.

Maximus69:


Bill Gate built his business empower all by himself, but there are workers who served under him as he was giving them orders on how he wanted his business!

So God created everything you're seeing today but he made use of his intelligent creatures like you and i to make life sweeter with Electricity, Telecommunication, Transportation and so on. But Jesus was his first employee that's all!

solite3:

Are you saying God didnt create the world by himself?

Maximus69:


Bill Gate built his business empower all by himself, but there are workers who served under him as he was giving them orders on how he wanted his business!

So God created everything you're seeing today

but he made use of his intelligent creatures like you and i to make life sweeter with Electricity, Telecommunication, Transportation and so on

But Jesus was his first employee that's all!

Maximus69:

Are you saying Bill Gate did not build his business empire by himself?

Emusan:


Yes Bill Gates never claims to build his business empower by himself, you can provide the evidence here.

Emusan:


Olodo....

Your man made doctrine of God uses a creature is greatly affecting sense of reasoning.

Can you provide evidence for the @underlined above

Or let me put it this way, kindly provide from Bill Gates own statement where he claimed to do it ALL BY HERSELF?

Even Bill Gates doesn't own MICROSOFT alone.



ALONE AND BY HIMSELF



Shows us where God made use of any creature in the creation account.

Even Isaiah 48:13 has this to say


CJB
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summoned them, at once they rose into being.

CEV
With my own hand I created the earth and stretched out the sky. They obey my every command.

ESV
My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

GNT
My hands made the earth's foundations and spread the heavens out. When I summon earth and sky, they come at once and present themselves.

NLT
It was my hand that laid the foundations of the earth, my right hand that spread out the heavens above. When I call out the stars, they all appear in order.”



Not only does YAHWEH making affirmative statement about how His very OWN HAND laid the foundation of the earth and spread out heavens, the most interesting part is @underlined where it was boldly written that THE COMMANDMENTS of Yahweh were directly given to the very THINGS CREATED not to another creature.





So what did Jesus do as first employee of God?

Maximus69:


Please tell us the name he presented to you as his co-owner of Microsoft?

Emusan:


Paul Allen is the name of co-founder of Microsoft.

Can you even see that you lack knowledge?

Emusan:
Paul Allen is the name of co-founder of Microsoft.
Can you even see that you lack knowledge?

Maximus69:
So why is his name not known globally like that of Bill Gate?

MuttleyLaff:


Mr Paul Allen, is known globally like that of Bill Gate, his childhood friend, for coming up with the name Micro-Soft