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MrBrownJay1:
There are many laws in this world that I believe make NO DAMN SENSE AND THAT I DONT AGREE WITH as well, but sadly, this discussion is not about that.



The LAW stipulates that yes he is... Remember, focus on the LAW, nothing else.



You are fully entitled to your opinion, sadly, many courts around the world do order men to pay for the lifestyle that their long term GFs has been accustomed to....



Educate yourself so I don't have to do it for you....
- There are NO LAWS on earth that stipulates that women should be lazy and stay home while husband slaves away at work and brings all the finances.
- there are NO LAWS on earth that says that men should contribute for a woman's entire life necessities while she does nothing.
- there are NO LAWS on earth that stipulates that, as soon as a man dates a woman for a certain period of time (or marries her), she becomes his financial responsibility.
- there are NO LAWS on earth that stipulates that men should pay for everything while women contribute to nothing.
- there are NO LAWS that stipulates that men should take care of women.
- there are NO LAWS that says that a man cannot tell his woman to contribute her fair share to the family unit.
.... The above is solely a man's decision, even though the LAW is very clear about what will happen if he does the above and then they separate. Stop blaming the LAW for the foolishness of men.



AGAIN, Educate yourself on the subject so I don't have to do it for you....
A) this has nothing to do with cohabitation law/rights and all to do with "common law marriage rights and/or conjugal relationships rights and/or unmarried spouses rights".
B) as much as they didn't have the same address, they either slept at his house or hers AND behaved as a couple both privately/publicly AND he was the one paying for her mortgage AND he often called her by his surname AND he took care of all her life's needs AND he gave her a monthly salary and a credit card that was paid for.... FOR FOURTEEN YEARS. Therefore the court of law decided that they were Indeed in a common law marriage aka a conjugal r/ship aka they were unmarried spouses.



- Did the law forced this man to stay with this woman and take care of her as a husband would, for fourteen years, even though she was adamant she was not gonna marry him nor sign any prenup?!?!
- Should the law be responsible for the stupidity of men, even though this man knew fully well what he was getting himself into?!
- what stopped this man from getting rid of this woman, the minute she said she was not gonna sign a prenup?!
...again, stop confusing fair laws with stupid men who act as donkeys in marriages. This donkey chose to pay for everything, this donkey chose to take care of the needs of this woman, this donkey chose to elevate this woman into a certain lifestyle for 14yrs....not the LAW



I stand by the LAW while you are the one defending nonsense. whether you agree with the LAW or not is irrelevant to this case... If you are smart and believe that the LAW favors women (you are entitled to your opinion), then you as a smart man should make sure that you are protected against such LAWs you deem unfair. You would be the dumbest donkey if you believe the law favors women and STILL enter into such r/ship without protecting your wealth.

I have never said laws don't exist, I just challenged your nonsense of trying to defend and portray the law and its application in this case as making sense.

That is nonsense!

The law is rubbish and the judges just made it worse by stretching meaning of the word "cohabiting" to benefit a woman.

No man should be paying for a woman to live a life, whether she is accustomed to it or not.

Yes, some countries have put it as their law, but it is a stupid law that is anti-men. And don't ever try to make it look like if it makes sense.

End of!

Gamesmart:
I have never said laws don't exist, I just challenged your nonsense of trying to defend and portray the law and its application in this case as making sense.

That is nonsense!

The law is rubbish and the judges just made it worse by stretching meaning of the word "cohabiting" to benefit a woman.

No man should be paying for a woman to live a life, whether she is accustomed to it or not.

Yes, some countries have put it as their law, but it is a stupid law that is anti-men. And don't ever try to make it look like if it makes sense.

End of!

...and again, you are entitled to your opinion on the subject, but sadly, A) this isn't about what we like/believe or not but THE LAW and B) this discussion isnt about whether we agree with the outcome of this case (or not), this case isn't even about the law of cohabiting....but C) men are indeed paying for women to live life they have been accustomed to. Look around you!!!

This law AND the outcome of this case makes sense to me.

So what should rich men/women do to protect themselves from such unfair laws?

MrBrownJay1:
The man is worth 100s of millions of dollars, he can afford her to quit her job...



Wandaful!!!!! You tell your babe you want a prenup before marriage and she refuses to sign one.... And instead of dropping this obvious gold-digging woman, you decide to stay with her for 14yrs. Now when the LAW (that was there before you met this woman) says you need to pay her spousal support, you want to blame the LAW?!?!?! Are you okay?!?!?! The only person to be blamed here is the donkey who knowingly AND willingly stayed with this confirmed gold-digger. Nobody else!!!



Educate yourself on the issue so I don't have to do it for you...or better yet, Google is your friend.



Again, this women wasn't deformed when dude decided she should now never use Keke again and instead should always ride helicopter. The man willingly changed her life, which she is now accustomed to. So if your kids are now going to private school with private driver and $10k pocket money every months, then just because you guys divorce, doesn't mean any of these people should now suffer and change their lifestyle. If daddy/mummy can pay their partner and kids so that they can continue living such lifestyle, then the court of law has decided that they should.



Bro, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but we are not here to discuss what we like or not, we are here to understand and follow the law. The LAW says that after divorce or séparation, spouse/children cannot change lifestyle and that the richer spouse should make sure they continue living the life they have been accustomed to. So until poorer spouse has a job that can sustain such lifestyle and/or they get remarried, then ex wealthy spouse should pay spousal support. Now, anyone with a brain would understand this very simple LAW.

Again, we don't care about what "you" believe is right or wrong, FOCUS ON THE LAW!!!



Any man/woman should protect their wealth (they have worked all their lives for) the best way they see fit... With these above laws, NO wise wealthy man should get married in the west, unless he is willing to part with his loot. As for any live-in GFs etc, make sure she pays just as much as you do, with EVERYTHING, don't turn her into no lazy telemundo expert cow while you are the only one working, and if you have to give her some money, do that undercover so it cannot be traced back to you. So on paper you guys are on the same level....and when she ultimately leaves, she will go with exactly what she came in with.

@SIRtee15
Again, the LAW is not the problem here, the donkeys who knowingly ignore the LAW are...

MrBrownJay1:
The man is worth 100s of millions of dollars, he can afford her to quit her job...



Wandaful!!!!! You tell your babe you want a prenup before marriage and she refuses to sign one.... And instead of dropping this obvious gold-digging woman, you decide to stay with her for 14yrs. Now when the LAW (that was there before you met this woman) says you need to pay her spousal support, you want to blame the LAW?!?!?! Are you okay?!?!?! The only person to be blamed here is the donkey who knowingly AND willingly stayed with this confirmed gold-digger. Nobody else!!!



Educate yourself on the issue so I don't have to do it for you...or better yet, Google is your friend.



Again, this women wasn't deformed when dude decided she should now never use Keke again and instead should always ride helicopter. The man willingly changed her life, which she is now accustomed to. So if your kids are now going to private school with private driver and $10k pocket money every months, then just because you guys divorce, doesn't mean any of these people should now suffer and change their lifestyle. If daddy/mummy can pay their partner and kids so that they can continue living such lifestyle, then the court of law has decided that they should.



Bro, you are fully entitled to your opinion, but we are not here to discuss what we like or not, we are here to understand and follow the law. The LAW says that after divorce or séparation, spouse/children cannot change lifestyle and that the richer spouse should make sure they continue living the life they have been accustomed to. So until poorer spouse has a job that can sustain such lifestyle and/or they get remarried, then ex wealthy spouse should pay spousal support. Now, anyone with a brain would understand this very simple LAW.

Again, we don't care about what "you" believe is right or wrong, FOCUS ON THE LAW!!!



Any man/woman should protect their wealth (they have worked all their lives for) the best way they see fit... With these above laws, NO wise wealthy man should get married in the west, unless he is willing to part with his loot. As for any live-in GFs etc, make sure she pays just as much as you do, with EVERYTHING, don't turn her into no lazy telemundo expert cow while you are the only one working, and if you have to give her some money, do that undercover so it cannot be traced back to you. So on paper you guys are on the same level....and when she ultimately leaves, she will go with exactly what she came in with.

@SIRtee15
Again, the LAW is not the problem here, the donkeys who knowingly ignore the LAW are...

stop misleading people, I personally read the personal lives and marriages of the aforementioned persons.

RamessesIV:
So what should rich men/women do to protect themselves from such unfair laws?

Very simple:
-never allow a woman to be lazy because she is dating you
- make sure she always pays for her fair share (no free ride) in whatever you do
- make sure she keeps her lifestyle, and dont try to elevate her life to yours
- if you guys are living together, make sure she pays half of [b]EVERYTHING
- protect your wealth, protect your assets, protect your wealth.... by putting your assets under a LLC/corporation or in an offshore account etc. today many banks offer the service of an offshore account in less than an hour.[/b]

victons:
stop misleading people, I personally read the personal lives and marriages of the aforementioned persons.

I guess my opinion on the subject misled the judge AND the Canadian court of law as well, abi?! Lol

I have a question,if the law is fair to both men and women why is it our nigerian brothers who marry white women are not benefiting from it

MrBrownJay1:
Very simple:
-never allow a woman to be lazy because she is dating you
- make sure she always pays for her fair share (no free ride) in whatever you do
- make sure she keeps her lifestyle, and dont try to elevate her life to yours
- if you guys are living together, make sure she pays half of [b]EVERYTHING
- protect your wealth, protect your assets, protect your wealth.... by putting your assets under a LLC/corporation or in an offshore account etc. today many banks offer the service of an offshore account in less than an hour.[/b]



I guess my opinion on the subject misled the judge AND the Canadian court of law as well, abi?! Lol

RamessesIV:
I have a question,if the law is fair to both men and women why is it our nigerian brothers who marry white women are not benefiting from it

How are our Nigerian brothers not benefitting?! Do you believe that Nigerian brothers should live abroad under 9ja laws? Probably, the reason why Nigerian brothas are not benefiting abroad is because they expect to receive ABROAD the same one sided benefit they would receive in NIGERIA.

Marriage law isn't about benefit, it's about being fair....

No like i mean i hardly here of a nigerian brother who divorced a white woman and got spousal support or alimony is that Nigerian men are richer than their white wives over there

MrBrownJay1:
How are our Nigerian brothers not benefitting?! Do you believe that Nigerian brothers should live abroad under 9ja laws? Probably, the reason why Nigerian brothas are not benefiting abroad is because they expect to receive ABROAD the same one sided benefit they would receive in NIGERIA.

Marriage law isn't about benefit, it's about being fair....

RamessesIV:
No like i mean i hardly here of a nigerian brother who divorced a white woman and got spousal support or alimony is that Nigerian men are richer than their white wives over there

here is a simple clue: if your wife stays at home for 10yrs, cooking/cleaning/taking care of the kids while you are the only one who works and brng the cheddar, then A) if you divorce and SHE gets custody of the kids, then you have to pay this jobless woman to take care of your kids and to have a decent place (similar to the one you were living in) where to live with your kids.... But B) if you guy divorce and YOU get custody of the kids, then she has to pay you for taking care of the kids.

The reason why you never hear stories about men receiving child/spousal support is because these same men believe it's wrong for them to stay home watching telemundo while wifey goes to work all day...but these same men have no problem whatsoever to go to work all day while their wife stays home all day doing nothing (but watching telemundo all day). The problem is NOT the law here, it's the failed mindset of these foolish men who allow their women to be lazy/jobless.

Do you even know that you can clean the house after work?! Do you even know that you can cook dinner after work? Do you even know that as soon as kids turn 2/3yrs old, they go to kindergarden all day thus nobody need to stay home all day for them?! So technically, as soon as kids turn 2/3 yrs old, EVERYBODY can get a job and provide for the family "equally".

RamessesIV:
No like i mean i hardly here of a nigerian brother who divorced a white woman and got spousal support or alimony is that Nigerian men are richer than their white wives over there

Which Nigerian man will tell you that his wife is richer? Let's start from here.

MrBrownJay1:
here is a simple clue: if your wife stays at home for 10yrs, cooking/cleaning/taking care of the kids while you are the only one who works and brng the cheddar, then A) if you divorce and SHE gets custody of the kids, then you have to pay this jobless woman to take care of your kids and to have a decent place (similar to the one you were living in) where to live with your kids.... But B) if you guy divorce and YOU get custody of the kids, then she has to pay you for taking care of the kids.

The reason why you never hear stories about men receiving child/spousal support is because these same men believe it's wrong for them to stay home watching telemundo while wifey goes to work all day...but these same men have no problem whatsoever to go to work all day while their wife stays home all day doing nothing (but watching telemundo all day). The problem is NOT the law here, it's the failed mindset of these foolish men who allow their women to be lazy/jobless.

Do you even know that you can clean the house after work?! Do you even know that you can cook dinner after work? Do you even know that as soon as kids turn 2/3yrs old, they go to kindergarden all day thus nobody need to stay home all day for them?! So technically, as soon as kids turn 2/3 yrs old, EVERYBODY can get a job and provide for the family "equally".

I think it is unfair to wives and mothers who run the family and the household to call them jobless.

Wow I really love your thinking seems you are one of the few unbiased Nigerian on this platform you seem to know alot

Please mind asking are you in Nigeria??

MrBrownJay1:
here is a simple clue: if your wife stays at home for 10yrs, cooking/cleaning/taking care of the kids while you are the only one who works and brng the cheddar, then A) if you divorce and SHE gets custody of the kids, then you have to pay this jobless woman to take care of your kids and to have a decent place (similar to the one you were living in) where to live with your kids.... But B) if you guy divorce and YOU get custody of the kids, then she has to pay you for taking care of the kids.

The reason why you never hear stories about men receiving child/spousal support is because these same men believe it's wrong for them to stay home watching telemundo while wifey goes to work all day...but these same men have no problem whatsoever to go to work all day while their wife stays home all day doing nothing (but watching telemundo all day). The problem is NOT the law here, it's the failed mindset of these foolish men who allow their women to be lazy/jobless.

Do you even know that you can clean the house after work?! Do you even know that you can cook dinner after work? Do you even know that as soon as kids turn 2/3yrs old, they go to kindergarden all day thus nobody need to stay home all day for them?! So technically, as soon as kids turn 2/3 yrs old, EVERYBODY can get a job and provide for the family "equally".

The few ones who marry old whit women

Hathor5:
Which Nigerian man will tell you that his wife is richer? Let's start from here.

RamessesIV:
The few ones who marry old whit women

They probably live off there meagre retirement pension so there is nothing left to collect or the marriage falls apart before they get to claim any alimony.

Hathor5:
I think it is unfair to wives and mothers who run the family and the household to call them jobless.

Let's call a spade A SPADE, unless you wanna make us believe that a woman CANNOT get a job because she has to clean the house (aka something she can easily do after work). As for cooking, who is she cooking for during the day?! When men have to fix the house, they easily can do it after work. So again, let us not try to fool anybody here....when women cook and clean after work, men fix the house. so when men go to work all day, women should do the same (since they are free)

As soon as kids are old enough to go to kindergarden, there is no use for a woman to stay home all day.

Sha some nigerian men dey fall my hand like wetin dey old white women,chai poverty is a disease

Hathor5:


They probably live off there meagre retirement pension so there is nothing left to collect or the marriage falls apart before they get to claim any alimony.

RamessesIV:
Sha some nigerian men dey fall my hand like wetin dey old white women,chai poverty is a disease

Do you say the same when you see young ladies marrying their daddy's age mates? It's a transaction in both cases. The parties willingly participate in it and if that makes them happy so be it. I can never understand how they can sleep with their daddy's or mommy's age mate but everyone is different. In some cases it's not even poverty. I don't know if it is greed or a daddy complex or true love but this is not my headache.

MrBrownJay1:
Let's call a spade A SPADE, unless you wanna make us believe that a woman CANNOT get a job because she has to clean the house (aka something she can easily do after work). As for cooking, who is she cooking for during the day?! When men have to fix the house, they easily can do it after work. So again, let us not try to fool anybody here....when women cook and clean after work, men fix the house. so when men go to work all day, women should do the same (since they are free)

As soon as kids are old enough to go to kindergarden, there is no use for a woman to stay home all day.

I never said she cannot get a job but running the family and the household is not something you do easily when you return from work after a long day. Do men fix the house every day now? Because women do clean and cook every day, do the laundry and ironing. Let us not forget the homework they help the kids with and the errands they run, the doctor appointments, the extra curricular activities they take their kids to, the shopping they do for everyone in the family (not only groceries but clothes, school things, birthday presents) and the elderly care they are involved in more intensely than men. Women, and this has been proven over and over again, do the bulk of unpaid work so if your woman has to work as many hours as you do and you only fix the house while she is doing what needs to be done every damn day then they deserve more than they get.

True but they should stop talking down on our women when they are doing green card marriage

Hathor5:
Do you say the same when you see young ladies marrying their daddy's age mates? It's a transaction in both cases. The parties willingly participate in it and if that makes them happy so be it. I can never understand how they can sleep with their daddy's or mommy's age mate but everyone is different. In some cases it's not even poverty. I don't know if it is greed or a daddy complex or true love but this is not my headache.

RamessesIV:
True but they should stop talking down on our women when they are doing green card marriage

I agree.

Hathor5:
I never said she cannot get a job but running the family and the household is not something you do easily when you return from work after a long day. Do men fix the house every day now? Because women do clean and cook every day, do the laundry and ironing. Let us not forget the homework they help the kids with and the errands they run, the doctor appointments, the extra curricular activities they take their kids to, the shopping they do for everyone in the family (not only groceries but clothes, school things, birthday presents) and the elderly care they are involved in more intensely than men. Women, and this has been proven over and over again, do the bulk of unpaid work so if your woman has to work as many hours as you do and you only fix the house while she is doing what needs to be done every damn day then they deserve more than they get.

Do the laundry everyday?!?!?! Ironing everyday?!?!?!?! How many people live in your house that you need to run a washing machine everyday? What house needs deep cleaning everyday?! Or you mean to say that picking the kids toys and cleaning table tops and dishes will last 3 hs?! Come on now.... Everything you mentioned can be done after work!!!! And I am even talking about abroad lifestyle because 9ja housewife get house girl who will do ALL THE HOUSE CHORES, so wifey in Nigeria is indeed a jobless telemundo expert.

- Daddy can help the kids with homework, while mummy cooks and cleans....
- Shopping (grocery/clothing) is done as a family outing ON THE WEEKEND... Unless of course you believe it "must" be done daily by women (as if walking to the corner store is so difficult)
- Women only do the bulk of unpaid work because they choose to stay home (pretending that this is a job)... Unless you actually believe that ONLY WOMEN Can help kids with homework, buy groceries/clothing/school things etc?!?!?! A man can do most of that on his way home from work na!!!!

Let me ask you a simple question: what would you think is best for a family? To A) have two salaries while daddy helps with kids homework/shopping after work etc (while you cook and clean) or B) have just one salary while wifey waste time doing at home (during the day) what she could easily do after work, if she had a job?

As for you claiming that a woman works as much as a man, I am sorry to say that I won't compare doing kids homework, going grocery shopping with the tough job some men are doing to care for their family. But I guess, your housewife job is so tough that you'd rather stay home to do it, instead of getting a job and sharing your "tough" housewife duties with your husband, abi? Wandaaaaaaful!

MrBrownJay1:
Do the laundry everyday?!?!?! Ironing everyday?!?!?!?! How many people live in your house that you need to run a washing machine everyday? What house needs deep cleaning everyday?! Or you mean to say that picking the kids toys and cleaning table tops and dishes will last 3 hs?! Come on now.... Everything you mentioned can be done after work!!!! And I am even talking about abroad lifestyle because 9ja housewife get house girl who will do ALL THE HOUSE CHORES, so wifey in Nigeria is indeed a jobless telemundo expert.

- Daddy can help the kids with homework, while mummy cooks and cleans....
- Shopping (grocery/clothing) is done as a family outing ON THE WEEKEND... Unless of course you believe it "must" be done daily by women (as if walking to the corner store is so difficult)
- Women only do the bulk of unpaid work because they choose to stay home (pretending that this is a job)... Unless you actually believe that ONLY WOMEN Can help kids with homework, buy groceries/clothing/school things etc?!?!?!

Let me ask you a simple question: what would you think is best for a family? To A) have two salaries while daddy helps with kids homework/shopping after work etc (while you cook and clean) or B) have just one salary while wifey waste time doing at home (during the day) what she could easily do after work, if she had a job?

As for you claiming that a woman works as much as a man, I am sorry to say that I won't compare doing kids homework, going grocery shopping with the tough job some men are doing to care for their family. But I guess, your housewife job is so tough that you'd rather stay home to do it, instead of getting a job and sharing your "tough" housewife duties with your husband, abi? Wandaaaaaaful!

I wouldn't have to answer all of these questions if you switched roles for a couple of weeks with a mother with children of kindergarten age. And you would certainly not tell me that doing chores every day after work for 2-3 hours is easy not even taking into account the nature of the job of different women and how long it takes them to get to work and back and whether they had a sleepless night or not because junior had stomach ache and who do children go to when something hurts? Yeah, mummy.

The best would be daddy would stop pretending he fixes the house every day or checks the car on a regular basis to start with.

Women do not work as much as men, women work more than men. In addition to a 9-5 job, they do the freaking chores every day for hours and at weekends. How often do you fix something around the house or in the car if at all?

Hathor5:
I wouldn't have to answer all of these questions if you switched roles for a couple of weeks with a mother with children of kindergarten age. And you would certainly not tell me that doing chores every day after work for 2-3 hours is easy not even taking into account the nature of the job of different women and how long it takes them to get to work and back and whether they had a sleepless night or not because junior had stomach ache and who do children go to when something hurts? Yeah, mummy.

A) you are talking to a man who was dropping and picking kids from kindergarden for years... No big deal whatsoever. Coming back from work and picking up kids from kindergarden is part of the joy of the day, because that's probably the 1st time daddy got a true smile all day.

B) any kids Need to learn discipline by doing housework too, after their school homework. So cleaning their room, helping in the house etc, is a must in order for a kid to get proper life standards. So technically, the job that you are referring to is very small, and easy, and can be done/shared after work.

C) I doubt a gainfully employed woman needs to do more than 1h of cleaning after work, every day. While she cleans daddy will do kids homework or take kids to sport practice, and wifey can thereafter start cooking while daddy help the kids clean up after sport practice. No big deal! In the weekends they will ALL (as a family) go grocery shopping for the week, make other shopping needed.... And after, daddy will mow the lawn, fix the car/house and take kids to football practice etc while mummy do the washing/ironing and weekly deep house cleaning. This is what a FAMILY UNIT is all about.

The best would be daddy would stop pretending he fixes the house every day or checks the car on a regular basis to start with.

True, just like mummy doesn't need to clean the house everyday... We finish eating breakfast, I pick up the dishes and put them in the dishwasher or sink, you clear/wipe the table while I am off to drop the kids at school. Then everyone goes to work. Now tell me exactly what "difficult" cleaning you are talking about that needs to be done after work (apart from breakfast dishes and maybe sweep the floor)?! Haba, you women think we men are blind and don't see what you guys are doing?!?!?!?! If the house was clean last night before we went to bed, why should it be dirty in the morning?

Women do not work as much as men, women work more than men. In addition to a 9-5 job, they do the freaking chores every day for hours and at weekends. How often do you fix something around the house or in the car if at all?

ALLELUJAH!!!! Women having a 9 to 5 is the basis of my point...anything else can be done as a family unit.

MrBrownJay1:
A) you are talking to a man who was dropping and picking kids from kindergarden for years... No big deal whatsoever. Coming back from work and picking up kids from kindergarden is part of the joy of the day, because that's probably the 1st time daddy got a true smile all day.

B) any kids Need to learn discipline by doing housework too, after their school homework. So cleaning their room, helping in the house etc, is a must in order for a kid to get proper life standards. So technically, the job that you are referring to is very small, and easy, and can be done/shared after work.

C) I doubt a gainfully employed woman needs to do more than 1h of cleaning after work, every day. While she cleans daddy will do kids homework or take kids to sport practice, and wifey can thereafter start cooking while daddy help the kids clean up after sport practice. No big deal! In the weekends they will ALL (as a family) go grocery shopping for the week, make other shopping needed.... And after, daddy will mow the lawn, fix the car/house and take kids to football practice etc while mummy do the washing/ironing and weekly deep house cleaning. This is what a FAMILY UNIT is all about.



True, just like mummy doesn't need to clean the house everyday... We finish eating breakfast, I pick up the dishes and put them in the dishwasher or sink, you clear/wipe the table while I am off to drop the kids at school. Then everyone goes to work. Now tell me exactly what "difficult" cleaning you are talking about that needs to be done after work (apart from breakfast dishes and maybe sweep the floor)?! Haba, you women think we men are blind and don't see what you guys are doing?!?!?!?! If the house was clean last night before we went to bed, why should it be dirty in the morning?



ALLELUJAH!!!! Women having a 9 to 5 is the basis of my point...anything else can be done as a family unit.

HALLELUJAH indeed!

This description of how chores and responsibilities can be shared sounds completely different from the description you gave before.

Just so you know, I would much rather do my job than stay at home but that's just me.

Hathor5:
HALLELUJAH indeed!
This description of how chores and responsibilities can be shared sounds completely different from the description you gave before.
Just so you know, I would much rather do my job than stay at home but that's just me.

I am giving you all the possible scenarios that can happen in a family unit which has both parents gainfully employed.... Any man that tells you that he can't pass by the grocery store on his way from work and/or help the kids with their homework, is a bastard that needs to be run away from. That's simple stuff, just like cleaning cooking, that anyone can do.... Sadly, social laws dictate that mummy should do it while daddy fixes the house and face armed robbers at night (aka put his life on the line for the family)

As much as I rather work than stay home doing "God knows what", I also fully understand that if I DID stay home, I would be done (cleaning/shopping) by noon, and have a full afternoon doing absolutely NOTHING but watch Telemundo, before picking the kids after school.

MrBrownJay1:
I am giving you all the possible scenarios that can happen in a family unit which has both parents gainfully employed.... Any man that tells you that he can't pass by the grocery store on his way from work and/or help the kids with their homework, is a bastard that needs to be run away from. That's simple stuff, just like cleaning cooking, that anyone can do.... Sadly, social laws dictate that mummy should do it while daddy fixes the house and face armed robbers at night (aka put his life on the line for the family)

As much as I rather work than stay home doing "God knows what", I also fully understand that if I DID stay home, I would be done (cleaning/shopping) by noon, and have a full afternoon doing absolutely NOTHING but watch Telemundo, before picking the kids after school.

That's because you men don't see a lot of the stuff that could and should be done. One of the reasons why women's houses are nicer than men's houses in terms of cleanliness and organization on average. Either way chores are the most boring job there is in the world.

Hathor5:
That's because you men don't see a lot of the stuff that could and should be done. One of the reasons why women's houses are nicer than men's houses in terms of cleanliness and organization on average. Either way chores are the most boring job there is in the world.

Lol, now you are absolutely right about the above....
- doing your bed in the morning, so that you can come back at night and messing it up before going back to bed again, is a waste of time IMHO. Reality is, we only tell kids to clean their room and do their beds because it give them a sense of purpose.
- shower wall, sink, bathtub, behind/under the TV, Windows, curtains etc doesn't need to be cleaned every day IMHO
- making sure the sofa looks like no one has ever sat on it, is a waste of time IMHO
- just like I don't see why we should spend 3hs when going to a mall, if we already know what we are gong there to buy.
- just like we men will never understand why you women will always claim to have nothing to wear, but your closet is full of clothes/shoes, til there is no space for more.

We (as a family) may see many things differently, but the bottom line IS: both men and women fully well know that two salaries is better than one...

MrBrownJay1:
Lol, now you are absolutely right about the above....
- doing your bed in the morning, so that you can come back at night and messing it up before going back to bed again, is a waste of time IMHO. Reality is, we only tell kids to clean their room and do their beds because it give them a sense of purpose.
- shower wall, sink, bathtub, behind/under the TV, Windows, curtains etc doesn't need to be cleaned every day IMHO
- making sure the sofa looks like no one has ever sat on it, is a waste of time IMHO
- just like I don't see why we should spend 3hs when going to a mall, if we already know what we are gong there to buy.
- just like we men will never understand why you women will always claim to have nothing to wear, but your closet is full of clothes/shoes, til there is no space for more.

We (as a family) may see many things differently, but the bottom line IS: both men and women fully well know that
two salaries is better than one...

LOL

The last part, there is this school of thought that it's better for kids if the mother doesn't work.

Dybala11:
Then she's not entitled to anything either going by your logic, or was she the only one that was in the relationship for 14 years??
You see, relationship is a two ways thing.

I'm not against spousal support benefits, but how many men do you think it would affect if men were directed to pay spousal support to their ex girlfriends?? How will you feel if you're asked to pay spousal support to your ex boyfriend ma??

In this particular case, they were neither married nor cohabiting, they didn't have any kid in the relationship too.

But the relationship was almost like a marriage, they lived under the same roof at different times in the union, it was reported the man also called her by his last name.

Hathor5:
LOL

The last part, there is this school of thought that it's better for kids if the mother doesn't work.

True, for the first 2/3yrs of a child's life, after that this child will be spending all day in kindergarden/school, so mummy staying home alone is pointless to the child. Thus my below point:

MrBrownJay1:
As soon as kids are old enough to go to kindergarden, there is no use for a woman to stay home all day.

MrBrownJay1:
True, for the first 2/3yrs of a child's life, after that this child will be spending all day in kindergarden/school, so mummy staying home alone is pointless to the child. Thus my below point:

I will call you when the discussion takes place again and the crew 'you are a bad mother if you have a job' shows up.

Hathor5:
I will call you when the discussion takes place again and the crew 'you are a bad mother if you have a job' shows up.

Oh believe me, there are a few of them here on NL, and I have been having this discussion with them for quite a while now. I believe many need women to stay home because they can CONTROL them, since they bring all the money. I wont even talk of the men who don't want their wives to Work because she will be around other men in a working environment.... Aka all a bunch of low self esteem husbands