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Akube1z:
I lost a relative. She was seriously sick . We had prayed to God to forgive her of her short comings and sins on earth, before she gave up the ghost in the middle of the night.

To the best of my understanding of God's word(bible), if the person accepts Christ as his/her saviour before death, then he/she will make heaven. Its personal not people praying for the person

God will only forgive you on one condition - Believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

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tiredoflife:
Even if she confesses christ yet not baptised
She is not saved

Jesus was clear about it

Incorrect.

Baptism is a symbol to demonstrate repentance unto salvation.

The later is important than the former

Born of water = being washed by his blood(purification)

Born of spirit: being directed by holy spirit

Yes God will forgive and has forgiven when you accept christ but how sure are you to know the day you will die?death can be sudden and accidental that's why it's better to accept jesus christ as Lord and personal saviour and have right and holy life in God through jesus should incase death comes suddenly you are saved and even if not you are still guaranteed of forgiveness and heaven

femi4:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]Incorrect.

Baptism is a symbol to demonstrate repentance unto salvation.

The later is important than the former

Born of water = being washed by his blood(purification)

Born of spirit: being directed by holy spirit

Stop bringing fallacies
Jesus was clear on how to be saved
Confession
Water baptism
And the holy Spirit baptism
This is the sequence
Without water baptism
U cant be saved
Jesus himself was baptized
Why do u want to change the narratives

HeavenlyHolines:
If she repented before she died just like the thief on the cross before his death,God will forgive but if on the other hand, she died without confessing her sins,no amount of prayer will save her on the other side because 'Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'. That is d mistakes of other religion n some religious organizations who believe in religion and good works. They pray that God will overlook and forgive ur short coming, transfer you form Limbo or Purgatory to Heaven or engaged in different amount rituals and days of prayers for the person soul to b transfer to paradise or heaven. If you are not at peace with God now,He will be at war with you on the other side. Shalom

Have you been to heaven before to be sure of this? God is all-knowing, He decides who He pleases and only him can decide who ends up with Him or on the other side. If we were to go by our sins, almost everyone will end up in hell fire.

Akube1z:
I lost a relative. She was seriously sick . We had prayed to God to forgive her of her short comings and sins on earth, before she gave up the ghost in the middle of the night.

Quit believing all these fables....

God doesn't need to forgive anyone of anything as a criteria for heaven, the sum total of good versus bad on your account determines your fate in the hereafter

Akube1z:
I lost a relative. She was seriously sick . We had prayed to God to forgive her of her short comings and sins on earth, before she gave up the ghost in the middle of the night.

The truth is that she will reincarnation back on earth to continue where she stop, confession of sin is not the enough. We all must reap what we sow on earth be it good seed or bad seed, she is not in helfire she is coming back brooooo

phantom24:
What you guys did was intercession. I think it's the deceased that needs to confess christ as their lord & saviour before passing on. This is why we must not wait till the last hour before submiting to christ.

You nailed.it.Its the person who must repent before death.Any intercession for the dead is fruitless.If when the person is dying, he or she must confess willingly.

tiredoflife:
The place of the cross was different
Understand the timing
As at then Jesus had not died
And baptism is a form of nailing to the cross
Saying I am at enemity to the world
The thief was on the cross
And that he sided with Jesus on that cross
It was first a sign of submission and later a sign of baptism
What the cross is to him is what baptism is for us

dont get it twisted. the cross was a method of execution back then. it has no significance. the event yes but the symbol no!

ggirl4real:
What if she didn't have a heart of repentance but accepted the prayer prayed on her behalf? Will she still make heaven?

na her and her God go answer. i strongly believe a oure heart of repentance can be won to christ even without saying a word

Akube1z:
She also prayed.. and she is a Christian.

If she prayed with belief then you must trust that she is with the Lord. However it is most unwise for anyone to use your sisters providence as a standard for repentance. Not everybody will be similarly graced. Some pass suddenly, some are in a deep coma. Repentance must be now.

Believe in your case that she is with the Lord. Congratulations even in the midst of sorrow.

Akube1z:
I lost a relative. She was seriously sick . We had prayed to God to forgive her of her short comings and sins on earth, before she gave up the ghost in the middle of the night.

She is the one who needs to ask God for forgiveness based on the finished work of Jesus Christ and by faith in Him. God will always grant that prayer.

femi4:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]Incorrect.

Baptism is a symbol to demonstrate repentance unto salvation.

The later is important than the former

Born of water = being washed by his blood(purification)

Born of spirit: being directed by holy spirit

Untrue.

The thief of the cross was not baptized and yet Christ said " today you will be with me in paradise" Baptism is public proclamation of faith it is akin to not denying Christ but for one reason or another if it doesn't happen before death, so long as the person is has confessed and is living under Christs Lordship they are saved

Openbusiness:
Nobody said you should wallow in sin and wickedness because you have been redeemed and have become the Redeemed. The fact that you are the Redeemed means you have a natural tendency to not sin, you are not like the others who sin by nature because they have a sin nature, because your nature is different and is a nature of righteousness. Sin is not consistent with the Redeemed. He might sin from time to time as he is learning to grow in his new nature but he cannot be condemned for sin - NEVER! His "sin" doesn't count. And the concept of sin for the Redeemed is different from the concept of sin for those that are not Redeemed. The thing is, sin is not just an action or act or an event, it is actually a concept or theory, or law, like you have 1 + 1 = 2, sin functions the same way like a proven scientific law. Same thing with Salvation. The concepts of Sin and Salvation are among the easiest concepts or laws in the Bible, they are very straightforward to understand and not complex at all.

what I have understand is that sin is sin



the only difference is that there will be mercy for the believers,. isn't it?

Getting to heaven is not guess work. If u r a Christian, u will know because the spirit of God bears witness that we are the children of God and vice versa. Getting to heaven is a choice. God doesn't determine that because he has given us the will power to choose between life n death,blessing n cursing but he told us to choose life and where can u find life,that is in his Son Jesus who came to die for us. And concerning sin,the grace of God is able to keep u 24 hoursa a day, 24/7 a week, 365 days/ a year without sinning. Read about Enoch, Job,Joseph, Daniel, John, Zachariah, Mary, Simeon, etc
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Misterdhee1:
Have you been to heaven before to be sure of this? God is all-knowing, He decides who He pleases and only him can decide who ends up with Him or on the other side. If we were to go by our sins, almost everyone will end up in hell fire.

I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY ON,THE ANSWER BELONG TO GOD.

ggirl4real:
No

If she had any unconfessed sin before she died, she is going to hell straight, not minding if she's been righteous all along.

That is what my Sunday School teacher used to teach me.

Confession of sins does not mean you start to recall or dig up those sins that are unconfessed while asking for forgiveness, the bible says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins. All your sins are forgiven when you genuinely ask for forgiveness, the only obstacle souls face before such death is that of believing that their sins are forgiven. You must believe that your sins are forgiven, there are instances where people find it hard believing before death because they are being weighed down by the acts of the devil such that they cant believe at that moment, those souls will die and go to hell because of their lack of believe. That is why we must give our lives to Christ before it is too late. It is only the mercies of God that can save souls that are dieing on their sick bed. I am sure you have also heard some people say that they will give their lives to Christ when they are just about to die, remember God cannot be mocked, he knows the heart and schemes of every man.

Akube1z:
She also prayed.. and she is a Christian.

If She really did pray from her heart, she must be a wise woman. May she rest well in the Lord.

Evicsholar:
Thank God she had the chance to pray. The thief crucified alongside Jesus received salvation right on the cross before he died.

thats not fair. an innocent non christian dies without salvation and goes to hell but a notorious thief receives salvation at the dying moments and goes to heaven.

HeavenlyHolines:
Getting to heaven is not guess work. If u r a Christian, u will know because the spirit of God bears witness that we are the children of God and vice versa. Getting to heaven is a choice. God doesn't determine that because he has given us the will power to choose between life n death,blessing n cursing but he told us to choose life and where can u find life,that is in his Son Jesus who came to die for us. And concerning sin,the grace of God is able to keep u 24 hoursa a day, 24/7 a week, 365 days/ a year without sinning. Read about Enoch, Job,Joseph, Daniel, John, Zachariah, Mary, Simeon, etc
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

So are you saying you don't sin daily despite being born again? Like, you obey God's commandments in every if your physical and spiritual dealings?

Did she die in Christ?
Did she accept Christ and confessed him as her personal Lord and savior?


See, that is why we are preaching now that people accept Christ before it's too late. And I don't see why it should be difficult cos it doesn't require any stringent procedures to do so but people find it difficult to accept Him.

I'm afraid if she wasn't in Christ, she may not. The acceptance has to be done by her, not you her family. It's an individual race.

criuze:
what I have understand is that sin is sin



the only difference is that there will be mercy for the believers,. isn't it?

No, sin is not sin. It is an entirely different concept for the 2 groups. For the people that still have the sin nature, the concept of sin is that of condemnation and punishment. But for the people that have received the nature of righteousness, the concept of sin is that of more reward or less reward. There's no condemnation and punishment at all. Nothing like mercy in play for whichever group. There is NO MERCY on the Judgment Day! The Great Judge on the Judgement Day is not a Merciful judge, He is a Righteous judge. Meaning, everybody is going to get exactly what they deserve. No mercy!

tiredoflife:
Stop bringing fallacies
Jesus was clear on how to be saved
Confession
Water baptism
And the holy Spirit baptism
This is the sequence
Without water baptism
U cant be saved
Jesus himself was baptized
Why do u want to change the narratives

No no no please dont get this things twisted. If you confess your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the bible says that you will be saved. It is not until when you are baptised oh, but be baptized. The dieing man on the cross was not baptized but his sins were forgiven by God. Please let's not attach conditions that are not scriptural.

Some people say that they want to enjoy their lives and that they'll give their lives to Christ on their death bed.I don't believe that people like this will be forgiven, why?God looks at your heart and not your words.He knows that these same people if rescued from their death bed would bounce right back into sin because they love it.They're not really willing to change and that death bed repentance is not sincere.They are not repenting because they hate their sins and want Jesus,they do so because they are scared of going to hell.God does not answer insincere prayers.Death bed repentance will only be accepted if that person is truly sorry.

Kay25:
Yes God will forgive and has forgiven when you accept christ but how sure are you to know the day you will die?death can be sudden and accidental that's why it's better to accept jesus christ as Lord and personal saviour and have right and holy life in God through jesus should incase death comes suddenly you are saved and even if not you are still guaranteed of forgiveness and heaven

Did you read the original post??

Man dies Hebrews 9:27 and after that comes judgment

But not "immediately" after

Liposure:
thats not fair. an innocent non christian dies without salvation and goes to hell but a notorious thief receives salvation at the dying moments and goes to heaven.

That is why salvation is a gift. Umerited favor.

You see, I like what you tried pointing out by using the word "innocent" there.
Now, it's not what we did that made us sinners but through Adam we became automatic sinners and it is not also what we did that made us righteous but through Christ we were made righteous inspite of all we've commited in our sinful nature.
So, a notorious sinner accepting Christ and the Calvary works ( Grace) has earned himself heaven (without merits) which is the reward of the works of Christ. while an "innocent" man refusing the finished works of Christ has earned himself eternal damnation which is the reward for the sins of Adam he still choses to wallow in.

Simply accept Christ and you have a new life.
Our God is a just God.

she prayed asking for mercy? God is Mercyful and just to forgive her..it is well with her.

No one knows but I don't think so. For the Law is that you are Supposed to Call on the Lord while He is Near and Draw Near to Him.

But if you fail to Draw Near to the Lord while you could, I do not think that at a time close death will be acceptable.

For He knows that Foolish Fraudulent Wicked men plan to do this to evade the Punishment of their wicked Acts, therefore it can not be acceptable for it is the Law of the Lord that whatever a man soweth, that shall he reap and the Judgments of the Lord shall not be evaded.

1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Misterdhee1:
So are you saying you don't sin daily despite being born again? Like, you obey God's commandments in every if your physical and spiritual dealings?

Okuda:
was the thief on the cross baptized?

no one knows. John the Baptist baptised a whole lot of people then. Maybe he was one of them. I'm not the person you quoted sha