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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Kobojunkie: 2:54am On Oct 11, 2020
excellence44:

I know the answers to the questions I asked. If a believer is required to perform these obligations in the society they live in then they are equally obliged to hold their leaders to account.
Pastor Bakare, Adeboye joined protest in the past.

Can you give me any biblical reason as to why you feel that believers should not protest?
And here I thought our one and only ROLE MODEL is supposed to be Jesus Christ Himself? shocked shocked shocked
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 3:26am On Oct 11, 2020
excellence44:

I know the answers to the questions I asked. If a believer is required to perform these obligations in the society they live in then they are equally obliged to hold their leaders to account.
Pastor Bakare, Adeboye joined protest in the past.
Can you give me any biblical reason as to why you feel that believers should not protest?

If you know the answers to the questions you ask, why do you require yet an answer from me?


Pastor Bakare and co can do whatever they like. They are not the standards for me to follow as a believer.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Oct 11, 2020
AududuNine11:
Jesus Christ was consumed in the work of which His Father has set Him to do.

Jesus didn't "protest", whatever you mean by such word, He sternly rebuked and warned the hypocritical religious leaders who pervert God's words and serve as stumbling block to salvation and liberation of the lost sheep Jesus came to save.

Christ constant warning was not just to the common sinners, but to all and sundry, rulers not excluded.

I am really confused when you say Jesus Christ "protested". That sounds hilarious I must say.

If I must ask, is it the same zeal for the works of God that you're consumed with? Are you protesting for the salvation of the lost or what really?

We really need to watch it so as not to blaspheme in our attempt to justify our actions by misquoting scriptures, taking them out of context and dragging the name of the Lord into our figment of our own mind.

Sometimes, we fail to understand we are pilgrims here on earth.

We have become so entangled and choked with the cares of life that we think here is our final bus-stop.
"Speak up, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.
(i.e. Speak up, judge righteously, and defend the cause of the oppressed and needy)
"
- Proverbs 31:9

Look up what the word "protest" means

If not for protestants, like the German theologian, Martin Luther, you won't be enjoying the benefits of his protestant reformation movement. If not for protestants like, the Baptist church minister MLK (i.e. the African American Dr Martin Luther King Jnr) the racial segregation et cetera of blacks from whites, will still be the order of the day. The 1688 Germantown Quaker Petition against slavery was the first protest against African American slavery made by a religious body in the English colonies.

It is out of protest, that the Bible got translated into English language and other languages. Also its coming from protest, that the Bible was readily made available, for everyone, so willing to, not just have access to it but also have the opportunity to freely by themselves, read the Bible, without anyone reading it from the bullpiss, sorry meant pulpit, to them.

Fyi, when the Bible, in Exodus 33:19, states God, saying to Moses, that "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" it is letting you know that compassion, is birthed out of some sense and/or semblance of protest, lmso.

cc: tobechi74, excellence44

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AntiChristian: 7:15am On Oct 11, 2020
grin

Wonderful!

Say no to protect sha! Jesus never protested against the government at any time. He was concerned with how the masses will get the kingdom of God.

The government was bad during Jesus'time. Why didn't he organise a peaceful protest with the disciples or the 5000 he fed?

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:18am On Oct 11, 2020
AntiChristian:
grin

Wonderful!

Say no to protect sha! Jesus never protested against the government at any time. He was concerned with how the masses will get the kingdom of God.

The government was bad during Jesus'time. Why didn't he organise a peaceful protest with the disciples or the 5000 he fed?

Muhammad ought to emulate Jesus Christ instead of killing people, beheading innocent souls, etc

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AntiChristian: 7:28am On Oct 11, 2020
ANTIlSLAM:


Muhammad ought to emulate Jesus Christ instead of killing people, beheading innocent souls, etc

No be Jesus in conjunction with his father sent people to kill innocent souls here? Stop lying na!

I the LORD do not change
Malachi 3:6

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21

8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts committed by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command. Did God Change from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual accept the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?Did God Change from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Another battle, another massacre of women and children. Has God Changed from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who they claim to be Jesus or His partner.

Has God Changed from all these now?
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 7:33am On Oct 11, 2020
AntiChristian:
grin

Wonderful!

Say no to protect sha! Jesus never protested against the government at any time. He was concerned with how the masses will get the kingdom of God.

The government was bad during Jesus' time. Why didn't he organise a peaceful protest with the disciples or the 5000 he fed?
Organising a peaceful protest against the Roman government was not in the remit nor within the purview of

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ protested against the government, with the display of compassion. It wasn't just the government that was bad during Jesus' time, the Sanhedrin too was bad. ahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ public display and demonstration of compassion is an expression of peaceful protest, devoid, of violence, anarchy, public disorder, civil unrest or mass act of civil disobedience in which participants become hostile toward government or authorities, destroying of public amenities, et cetera
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by advocatejare(m): 7:47am On Oct 11, 2020
AntiChristian:


No be Jesus in conjunction with his father sent people to kill innocent souls here? Stop lying na!

I the LORD do not change
Malachi 3:6

Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21

8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts committed by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command. Did God Change from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual accept the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?Did God Change from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Another battle, another massacre of women and children. Has God Changed from this now?

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who they claim to be Jesus or His partner.

Has God Changed from all these now?

Allah knows nothing than fighting and killing and that's what he commands you his followers to be doing:
"And fight in the cause of Allah and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 244)

"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 123)

"Indeed, Allah loves those who fight in His cause in a row as though they are a [single] structure joined firmly."
(QS. As-Saff 61: Verse 4)
Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.
- Quran 4:76

Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued.
-Quran 9:29

Allah is a killer:

"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 191)

"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 89)


"You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 91)

Allah said he was a killer:
"And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 17)


"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 5)

Allah is the father of terrorism, he's the one Boko Haram are following in beheading their captives
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 12)

Allah even shared in the spoils of war and gather it for himself.


"They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the bounties [of war]. Say, The bounties is for Allah and the Messenger. So fear Allah and amend that which is between you and obey Allah and His Messenger, if you should be believers."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 1)


And Allah is not OK with one-tenth, Allah the thief and the killer demands 1/5th

"And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah, over all things, is competent."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 41)

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 7:55am On Oct 11, 2020
AntiChristian:
grin

Wonderful!

Say no to protect sha! Jesus never protested against the government at any time. He was concerned with how the masses will get the kingdom of God.

The government was bad during Jesus'time. Why didn't he organise a peaceful protest with the disciples or the 5000 he fed?

So you're aware of this but you're just trying to misconstrue the whole thing by saying all this people who aren't following Jesus' footsteps are Christians shey. smiley

Jehovah's Witnesses will never join in any protest because that's the foundation laid down by our leader Jesus Christ! smiley

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by DappaD: 8:16am On Oct 11, 2020

AududuNine11:

You've said it all. There's nothing more for me to add.
Flesh and blood have not revealed this to you...


It wasn't revealed to me sir. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's one of the basic truths we learnt years ago.

If you wish to know more about that heavenly Kingdom, please contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your local residence and visit JW.ORG

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by DappaD: 8:40am On Oct 11, 2020

AkinwaleJJ:

So you're aware of this but you're just trying to misconstrue the whole thing by saying all this people who aren't following Jesus' footsteps are Christians shey. smiley

Jehovah's Witnesses will never join in any protest because that's the foundation laid down by our leader Jesus Christ! smiley

It's just so funny seeing the other comments on this thread.
When we say that Jehovah's Witnesses practice the true and purest form of Christianity, they'll keep arguing with us.

According to one of the commenters, I'll paraphrase: “It's your CIVIC responsibility and right to protest. Your GOSPEL responsibility is entirely different.”
In other words he's saying one can choose to do as he likes as long as such a person isn't in church.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by crackhouse(m): 8:49am On Oct 11, 2020
Una don come again with another question.
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Bonapart(m): 8:51am On Oct 11, 2020
Amotolongbo:
Dem don come again!

Those who don’t understand the reasons for their existence
what do you mean
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Sonnobax15(m): 8:52am On Oct 11, 2020
undecided. Like say if the country condemn pass as e dey now,like say believers no go suffer am too.
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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Nobody: 8:52am On Oct 11, 2020
Okay
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Elvis2kay: 8:52am On Oct 11, 2020
What is the difference between believers and unbelievers?? Both of them are going the same mess..
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by TheWalkingMind: 8:52am On Oct 11, 2020
Nonsense and Ingredients
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by TheWalkingMind: 8:53am On Oct 11, 2020
DappaD:


It wasn't revealed to me sir. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's one of the basic truths we learnt years ago.

If you wish to know more about that heavenly Kingdom, please contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your local residence and visit JW.ORG
No one cares

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by TheWalkingMind: 8:54am On Oct 11, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:


So you're aware of this but you're just trying to misconstrue the whole thing by saying all this people who aren't following Jesus' footsteps are Christians shey. smiley

Jehovah's Witnesses will never join in any protest because that's the foundation laid down by our leader Jesus Christ! smiley
No one cares

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by lawrenzooo: 8:54am On Oct 11, 2020
When Jesus sent people out of the temple for turning his father's house into a den of thieves! Isn't that a kind of protest?

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Smartbrainfix: 8:54am On Oct 11, 2020
Ask the Americans. Common sense should tell you what to do
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by enas24: 8:55am On Oct 11, 2020
Being a Christian doesn't stop u from carrying out your civil responsibility as a citizen of a country. If protesting for a right and safety is going to bring a change, then you are free to participate in it in a peaceful manner and with good intentions.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by mastertek: 8:55am On Oct 11, 2020
I am a Christian, I will not only join the protest, I will also participate in lynching any police, SARS that's treat to my life
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Ekaka1(m): 8:57am On Oct 11, 2020
AkinwaleJJ:


I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

We will never do such a thing because the Master taught us to all those in authority to take their chances in whatever they feel like doing since we know that their government is not our government! Matt 5:39-42
Whatever they're doing there is none of our business since our own government is not from this source! John 18:36
People voted them in so it's the duty of those who voted them to protest against them perhaps those elected aren't performing as they promised the voters. But for us who never has any hand in all their arrangement, ours is to leave their premises for them if they will not allow us worship our God in peace! Matt 10:23
We are not part of the world! John 17:14-16

If you are "not part of the world" and you live in the world with your own set of rules you are either illegal here or you are a rebel because all Authority that be are from God(Rom. 13:1-7).

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by tosan245(m): 8:59am On Oct 11, 2020
Our Lord Jesus Christ protested against the Sales of commodities in his Father's house.
I hope this little sentence answers your quest.
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Fcwilly: 9:01am On Oct 11, 2020
To your tent oh ISRAEL is also a protest by children of Israel against their king.

Failure to take a positive stand is dieing in silence.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by weyreypey: 9:03am On Oct 11, 2020
DappaD:


According to the Bible, the reason why the world is in distress is because it's being controlled by powerful & evil unseen forces headed by Satan the Devil and a host of other demons. (Ephesians 6:12, 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9-12)

The Bible also reveals that by means of a heavenly Kingdom or government, all human governments and organizations will be brought to their knees and destroyed forever. (Compare Daniel 2:44 with Revelation 16:14-16, 17:12-14, 19:19-21)

Imagine you're on a sinking ship and the only option you have is a lifeboat, would you remain in the ship trying to repair damages or leave immediately?
That's the same in this case—trying to protest for changes or amends to be made is just a fruitless exercise since they're all going to be destroyed anyway.

That's why Jesus stressed the need to remain neutral concerning worldly affairs.
His true disciples were to be “no part of the world”—John 17:14,16
Because he himself knew it's all futile since a better Kingdom or government which is not of human source was coming. (John 18:36)

The best thing true Christians can do for themselves is offer prayers to God concerning the ruling governments so that they can continue their worship to God peacefully—and not for any changes to be made.(Acts 4:23-30, 1Timothy 2:1-2)

The real question is how many of those claiming to be Christians today follow this Biblical advice?
Those telling you it's okay to protest don't have any regard for the words of Jesus Christ himself—as they will only choose Scriptures that soothe their own agenda. (2Peter 3:16-17)
You're saying nonsense. Pure nonsense. Read up on nonviolence protests.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Image123(m): 9:04am On Oct 11, 2020
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


With these few points of mine, i hope i have been able to confuse you and still convince you that Jesus is Lord. Amen.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by weyreypey: 9:04am On Oct 11, 2020
tosan245:
Our Lord Jesus Christ protested against the Sales of commodities in his Father's house.
I hope this little sentence answers your quest.
Thanks for enlightening people here

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Nobody: 9:04am On Oct 11, 2020
My own question is why did Jesus come with whip to drive off those selling okpa in his fathers house instead of telling them calmly to live. Maybe he had told them and they wouldn't listen.

I dont to think it is out of places to demand a better and safe living evironment for ourselves and geberations to come. Instead of looking for bible verses to validate everything.

Pls speak out and join the movement to end this menace before you turn slaves in your father's land

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by tonero230(m): 9:05am On Oct 11, 2020
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

[color=#000099] All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV [/color

Stupid question.Africa and religion

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