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Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 4:04am On Oct 10
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Kobojunkie: 4:14am On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
[b]Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?[/b]Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:
The decision to engage in protest/demonstrate or carry placards is ultimately yours since Jesus Christ never commanded us, in any way, not to engage in bettering the communities in which we live in. We are not called to be islands in the sea of all that is the world, and we are not called to isolate ourselves from that which concerns others i.e. those who are our neighbors.
AududuNine11:
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
What has this verse from Paul to do with you and your view on whether a believer can join protests or not?

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Amotolongbo(f): 4:37am On Oct 10
Dem don come again!

Those who don’t understand the reasons for their existence

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by excellence44(m): 5:04am On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV

Question is, should believers pay tax? should they enjoy the benefits of a working society? Are they only to pray for the leaders? what Elijah tell ahab when he cornered somebody property?
My brother don't be a lazy yoot trying to use religion as a cover.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 5:07am On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is/was a kofam, bona fide and real McCoy Protester, to a fault, lmso. He showed the Sanhedrin real pepper. He regularly "pepper gang" them real good, lmso

Kobojunkie:
The decision to engage in protest/demonstrate or carry placards is ultimately yours since Jesus Christ never commanded us, in any way, not to engage in bettering the communities at large in which we live in.
What has this verse from Paul to do with you and your view on whether a believer can join protests or not?
"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them
."
- Luke 9:5

"We are wiping your city's dust from our feet in protest against you!
But realize that the kingdom of God is near you!'
."
- Luke 10:11

"In protest against these people, Paul and Barnabas shook the dust off their feet and went to the city of Iconium."
- Acts 13:51

"Therefore I protest to you to-day that I am not responsible for the ruin of any one of you"
- Acts 20:26

"A man whose opinions are not those of the church, after a first and second protest, is to be kept out of your society"
- Titus 3:10

Expressing a disapproval to what someone has said and/or a valid objection to what someone has done is something expected of any reasonable, biblically intelligent and/or bible well informed person, religiously to do

Now have a lucky guess, who is it talking in Luke 9:5 above, hmm?

Amotolongbo:
Dem don come again!

Those who don’t understand the reasons for their existence
Na dem, na dem nah ... angry angry angry

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by orisa37: 6:42am On Oct 10
AS THE LORD INSTRUCTS, DIRECTS AND DISCERNS.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AkinwaleJJ: 6:48am On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV


I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

We will never do such a thing because the Master taught us to all those in authority to take their chances in whatever they feel like doing since we know that their government is not our government! Matt 5:39-42
Whatever they're doing there is none of our business since our own government is not from this source! John 18:36
People voted them in so it's the duty of those who voted them to protest against them perhaps those elected aren't performing as they promised the voters. But for us who never has any hand in all their arrangement, ours is to leave their premises for them if they will not allow us worship our God in peace! Matt 10:23
We are not part of the world! John 17:14-16

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by CodeTemplar: 7:45am On Oct 10
Yes. Protest are meant to communicate displeasure.
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by DappaD: 8:33am On Oct 10

AududuNine11:

Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?
Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV

I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

According to the Bible, the reason why the world is in distress is because it's being controlled by powerful & evil unseen forces headed by Satan the Devil and a host of other demons. (Ephesians 6:12, 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9-12)

The Bible also reveals that by means of a heavenly Kingdom or government, all human governments and organizations will be brought to their knees and destroyed forever. (Compare Daniel 2:44 with Revelation 16:14-16, 17:12-14, 19:19-21)

Imagine you're on a sinking ship and the only option you have is a lifeboat, would you remain in the ship trying to repair damages or leave immediately?
That's the same in this case—trying to protest for changes or amends to be made is just a fruitless exercise since they're all going to be destroyed anyway.

That's why Jesus stressed the need to remain neutral concerning worldly affairs.
His true disciples were to be “no part of the world”—John 17:14,16
Because he himself knew it's all futile since a better Kingdom or government which is not of human source was coming. (John 18:36)

The best thing true Christians can do for themselves is offer prayers to God concerning the ruling governments so that they can continue their worship to God peacefully—and not for any changes to be made.(Acts 4:23-30, 1Timothy 2:1-2)

The real question is how many of those claiming to be Christians today follow this Biblical advice?
Those telling you it's okay to protest don't have any regard for the words of Jesus Christ himself—as they will only choose Scriptures that soothe their own agenda. (2Peter 3:16-17)

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 2:51pm On Oct 10
MuttleyLaff:
Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is/was a kofam, bona fide and real McCoy Protester, to a fault, lmso. He showed the Sanhedrin real pepper. He regularly "pepper gang" them real good, lmso

"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them
."
- Luke 9:5

"We are wiping your city's dust from our feet in protest against you!
But realize that the kingdom of God is near you!'
."
- Luke 10:11

"In protest against these people, Paul and Barnabas shook the dust off their feet and went to the city of Iconium."
- Acts 13:51

"Therefore I protest to you to-day that I am not responsible for the ruin of any one of you"
- Acts 20:26

"A man whose opinions are not those of the church, after a first and second protest, is to be kept out of your society"
- Titus 3:10

Expressing a disapproval to what someone has said and/or a valid objection to what someone has done is something expected of any reasonable, biblically intelligent and/or bible well informed person, religiously to do

Now have a lucky guess, who is it talking in Luke 9:5 above, hmm?

Na dem, na dem nah ... angry angry angry


Your post shows how grossly inempt you are with Bible exegesis.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 2:52pm On Oct 10
DappaD:


According to the Bible, the reason why the world is in distress is because it's being controlled by powerful & evil unseen forces headed by Satan the Devil and a host of other demons. (Ephesians 6:12, 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9-12)

The Bible also reveals that by means of a heavenly Kingdom or government, all human governments and organizations will be brought to their knees and destroyed forever. (Compare Daniel 2:44 with Revelation 16:14-16, 17:12-14, 19:19-21)

Imagine you're on a sinking ship and the only option you have is a lifeboat, would you remain in the ship trying to repair damages or leave immediately?
That's the same in this case—trying to protest for changes or amends to be made is just a fruitless exercise since they're all going to be destroyed anyway.

That's why Jesus stressed the need to remain neutral concerning worldly affairs.
His true disciples were to be “no part of the world”—John 17:14,16
Because he himself knew it's all futile since a better Kingdom or government which is not of human source was coming. (John 18:36)

The best thing true Christians can do for themselves is offer prayers to God concerning the ruling governments so that they can continue their worship to God peacefully—and not for any changes to be made.(Acts 4:23-30, 1Timothy 2:1-2)

The real question is how many of those claiming to be Christians today follow this Biblical advice?
Those telling you it's okay to protest don't have any regard for the words of Jesus Christ himself—as they will only choose Scriptures that soothe their own agenda. (2Peter 3:16-17)


You've said it all. There's nothing more for me to add.

Flesh and blood have not revealed this to you...

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 2:56pm On Oct 10
excellence44:

Question is, should believers pay tax? should they enjoy the benefits of a working society? Are they only to pray for the leaders? what Elijah tell ahab when he cornered somebody property?
My brother don't be a lazy yoot trying to use religion as a cover.

Your answers are in the Bible already.

If you study the scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit and not just like a story book or novel, you'd find answers to the questions you've asked above.


Talking about being a lazy youth, I will assume you were just simply being careless with words.

Try putting up a better rebuttal next time.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 3:32pm On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
Your post shows your how grossly inempt you are with Bible exegesis.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men/women, to do or say nothing.

I was fair with you, asking you to have a lucky guess, and tell who is it talking in the Luke 9:5 above posted, but you preferred to dodge the revealing answer, instead looking for specks in my eyes, ignoring the big fat plank of wood in your eyes. Smh sigh

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Amatarasha(f): 4:19pm On Oct 10
Our Lord Jesus instructed us to avoid protest that is against our leaders , is a sin

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 4:53pm On Oct 10
Amatarasha:
Our Lord Jesus instructed us to avoid protest that is against our leaders , is a sin

You are not one of us.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Kobojunkie: 5:08pm On Oct 10
Amatarasha:
Our Lord Jesus instructed us to avoid protest that is against our leaders , is a sin
He never did that!

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Amatarasha(f): 5:09pm On Oct 10
AududuNine11:


You are not one of us.
y deny me Christ Sall? Am a born again fyi
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 8:35pm On Oct 10
Amatarasha:
Our Lord Jesus instructed us to avoid protest that is against our leaders , is a sin

AududuNine11:
You are not one of us.
She is better off without being one of youse, because defo havent the making of MLK (i.e. Dr Martin Luther King, Jr)

Amatarasha:
y deny me Christ Sall? Am a born again fyi
You dont owe this one any explanation nor his validation
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 8:46pm On Oct 10
MuttleyLaff:


She is better off without being one of youse, because defo havent the making of MLK (i.e. Dr Martin Luther King, Jr)

You dont owe this one any explanation nor his validation

You can hardly make any coherent statement. And you want me to give you a reply. Reply to the long disjointed post of yours that yourself do not understand?

How did you manage to put that up? Really mind boggling.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 9:10pm On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
You can hardly make any coherent statement. And you want me to give you a reply. Reply to the long disjointed post of yours that yourself do not understand?

How did you manage to put that up? Really mind boggling.
You think too highly of yourself, thinking that replies where solicited or required from you. Your cerebral incapacity wouldnt permit your ADHD brain from understanding even the simplest and broken down I could post. Try pull out your head from way back inside you rear end you've shoved it into, then maybe enough blood will then easily have chance to flow to your head enough for you begin to understand posts. Mtcheew defeatist, pacifist who doesnt believe in good cause protest angry angry angry

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by petra1(m): 9:11pm On Oct 10
AududuNine11:
Should a believer join any PROTEST, DEMONSTRATE, CARRY PLACARDS?

Here's my view as a believer regarding PROTEST/DEMONSTRATION - peaceful or not peaceful, SARS related or not:

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV


Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 9:15pm On Oct 10
petra1:
Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.
"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them.
"
- Luke 9:5

Dare I ask, whose name is associated with Luke 9:5 above there, hmm?

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by petra1(m): 9:22pm On Oct 10
MuttleyLaff:
"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them.
"
- Luke 9:5

Dare I ask, whose name is associated with Luke 9:5 above there, hmm?

There's difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 9:29pm On Oct 10
petra1:
Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.

MuttleyLaff:
"Wherever they refuse to receive you,
as you leave that town shake off the very dust from your feet as a protest against them.
"
- Luke 9:5

Dare I ask, whose name is associated with Luke 9:5 above there, hmm?

petra1:
There's difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility.
First give the answer to the question above asked you, then you can, for as long as you want, begin discuss, the difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility. You even could discuss racial segregation, flagrant abuse of power, injustice, discrimination of whatever sort, protest against the CAMA law for churches et cetera as whether each or all fall with civic actions and Gospel responsibility
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 9:32pm On Oct 10
petra1:


Its a personal civic thing. But not in the name of Christ or Christianity.

You are not totally wrong. But then, it is not expedient for believers to do.

I would have loved to type at length, but I don't feel compelled to do such.

Let the Holy Spirit guide whatever actions we take.


petra1:


There's difference between civic actions and Gospel responsibility.

Lol... You actually took your time to give a reply to a confused fellow who doesn't even understand what he's posting or what point he is making.
Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 9:33pm On Oct 10
MuttleyLaff:
You think too highly of yourself, thinking that replies where solicited or required from you. Your cerebral incapacity wouldnt permit your ADHD brain from understanding even the simplest and broken down I could post. Try pull out your head from way back inside you rear end you've shoved it into, then maybe enough blood will then easily have chance to flow to your head enough for you begin to understand posts. Mtcheew defeatist, pacifist who doesnt believe in good cause protest angry angry angry

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Tochj(m): 9:36pm On Oct 10
You don't know that Jesus protested The evils done by Religious And political leaders of his time. How?
The used whips to pursue and upturn the tables of money changers in the temple.
2.We called out Herod by calling him a Fox
3.Many times he confronted the Pharisees and saducces.
All these can be called a protest.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by MuttleyLaff: 9:41pm On Oct 10
Tochj:
You don't know that Jesus protested The evils done by Religious And political leaders of his time. How?
The used whips to pursue and upturn the tables of money changers in the temple.
2. We called out Herod by calling him a Fox
3. Many times he confronted the Pharisees and saducces.
All these can be called a protest.
Are you minding that Far-i-See modern day Pharisee, who cant see beyond his nose. Watch as he soon will be seeking for the thread to be put on FP

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by Amatarasha(f): 10:00pm On Oct 10
MuttleyLaff:


She is better off without being one of youse, because defo havent the making of MLK (i.e. Dr Martin Luther King, Jr)

You dont owe this one any explanation nor his validation
grin yes o our lord Jesus said say no to protest ,protest is of d devil' if ur leaders kill you ,know it that heaven is your home cheesy

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by AududuNine11: 10:02pm On Oct 10
Tochj:
You don't know that Jesus protested The evils done by Religious And political leaders of his time. How?
The used whips to pursue and upturn the tables of money changers in the temple.
2.We called out Herod by calling him a Fox
3.Many times he confronted the Pharisees and saducces.
All these can be called a protest.

Jesus Christ was consumed in the work of which His Father has set Him to do.

Jesus didn't "protest", whatever you mean by such word, He sternly rebuked and warned the hypocritical religious leaders who pervert God's words and serve as stumbling block to salvation and liberation of the lost sheep Jesus came to save.

Christ constant warning was not just to the common sinners, but to all and sundry, rulers not excluded.

I am really confused when you say Jesus Christ "protested". That sounds hilarious I must say.

If I must ask, is it the same zeal for the works of God that you're consumed with? Are you protesting for the salvation of the lost or what really?

We really need to watch it so as not to blaspheme in our attempt to justify our actions by misquoting scriptures, taking them out of context and dragging the name of the Lord into our figment of our own mind.

Sometimes, we fail to understand we are pilgrims here on earth.

We have become so entangled and choked with the cares of life that we think here is our final bus-stop.

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by tobechi74: 11:02pm On Oct 10
Go and read history. Christian fight wars.
You must be referring to the #endsars protest. Would Jesus have joined? Did Jesus not lead the disciples against the temple money makers? Jesus protests against institutional crime but he easily forgives personal sinners.
But he first advised He WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHOULD FIRST PROTEST

For the first time in a while, Nigerians from all works of life lent their voice to the ill-treatment carried out by the Special Anti Robbery squad department (SARS) of the National Police Force(NPF). This shows that the people can put aside her differences and unite against a common foe. A true test of democracy is evident when those in power fear the anger of the people and not when the people are scared of those in power.


While it is easy to point accusing fingers, we should be free of committing the same crime we accuse them of. The members of the special anti robbery squad were not imported from a foreign country . They are one of us. They represent a subset of the total population . The action they commit is a reflection of what the average Nigerian is capable of doing in position of power . What differentiate the average Nigerian from SARS is that the later is permitted by law to use force and arms to enforce laws . Many a times, The wealthy ones use her financial strength to influence SARS to bully his adversity. Why are we quick to castigate them when they are tools in our hands .





In our homes,We are worse than SARS when we devalue women as male property and excercise control over their lives. We want to dress how we want while we tell the ladies what to wear. We are worse than SARS when we use her as punching bag. We are worse than SARS when we act like dictators in our home to be feared by the entire household. We are worse than SARS when we maltreat our househelp and prevent her from attending same school with our children . We are worse than SARS when we sexually harras her and threaten her into silence.


We are worse than SARS when we team up to born down the shrine of the elderly man worshipping the gods of his ancestors. We are Worse than SARS when we confine one to psychiatric ward or jail for choosing not to belong to any Religion. We criticize SARS for their brutality against those who wear tatoo while our religious police punnish us for the same act .


We are worse than SARS when we take advantage of our students poor academic performance to lure her to bed.We are worse than SARS when we destroy farmlands and farmers except states donate their land to us to practice our trade . We are worse than SARS when we use our political and financial strength to remove effective but non- submissive governors from seeking reelection . We are worse than SARS when we take official decision favoring one tribe or group at the expense of others.

The security agencies are not the only one guilty of intimidation. Any act of public humiliation, physical attack, disrespectful language,discriminatory comment, or name calling against our subordinate or minority promotes abuse of power. Subtle acts of manipulating the naive for personal gain also fuels oppression. The victim fear reporting the act could be worse than the original form of abuse. This enable perpetrator get away with the crime thereby empowering then to continue the maltreatment. Cowardice on the part of the victim feed tyranny.


Any society that prevents one from critical thinking and promotes submission to a higher power creates an avenue for abuse. This is why many cases of abuse go unreported among security agencies and religion institution .Obey what the boss says whether you agree with him or not and get a chance of getting promoted.security agents are also victims of abuse by their superior.The anger is suppressed until they find a subordinate they can vent the anger on without any side effect . The junior staff are cruel to their own subordinate until the most junior ranked officer who have no one to be cruel to pass their aggression to civilian . This is why top ranked security agents are less harsh than low ranking ones .


The #endsars protest is a call to all victim of all kinds of abuse to unite together and take a stand. When the abusers realises that the victims would rather die than persist in such ill-treatment, they would be forced to reconsider their ways. No condition is permanent Centuries of abuse of patriarchy has led to the number of self identified feminist and single motherhood-. Parents who bring up their children in love would be cared for when they get old and weak. Garbage in Garbage out. What we sow is what we reap.


We need to focus towards an egilateral society.- a society that is based on equality. Moral reasoning should be introduced as a subject in secondary schools. Children ought to be taught character development with emphasis on equal respect for all devoid of gender, religion, power, wealth or Fame.

https://tobechispeaks.wordpress.com/2020/10/11/before-you-cast-a-stone/

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Re: Should A Believer Join Any Protest, Demonstrate, Carry Placards? by excellence44(m): 2:19am On Oct 11
AududuNine11:


Your answers are in the Bible already.

If you study the scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit and not just like a story book or novel, you'd find answers to the questions you've asked above.


Talking about being a lazy youth, I will assume you were just simply being careless with words.

Try putting up a better rebuttal next time.
I know the answers to the questions I asked. If a believer is required to perform these obligations in the society they live in then they are equally obliged to hold their leaders to account.
Pastor Bakare, Adeboye joined protest in the past.
Can you give me any biblical reason as to why you feel that believers should not protest?

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