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Femtopford:
Go for edge first or second generation.
REASON: The cost of spare parts are dropping rapidly because the said Ford are numerously flooding the country right now, For instance, the cost of complete transmission assembly varies between 80k and 100k depending on negotiating power. Also both 1st(2007 - 2010) and 2nd(2011 - 2014) generations use same transmission.

The fuel consumption is now considerable low, because, Ford has incorpoted in their engine manufacturing the electronic variable timing to enhance the best fuel and air induction

l don't agree with you in your second paragraph.
edge has a good body structure, potable at the exterior and roomy at the interior. The finishing of the interior deco is excellent. The exterior is curve fascinating with best aerodynamics calculation, it's a great building achitecturer's work., So I want you to have a second look at it.

Though, I might not be able to handle this topic of body to your satisfaction, because am not a marketing personal but only good at Ford technology (mechanical, electrical and electronics) . There are bosses and Ford owners in our WhatsApp group that can handle this area far better than I.

asamwababy:
Purchasing brand new cars has nothing to do with the economy.

Even if the economy nose dives your senators,governors,agencies, corporate organizations,police force,army,navy etc would still buy new cars,anyway that aside.

Majority of the new cars are not purchased by individuals but rather govt and corporate bodies.

The Ford edge was badly hit by other auto new entrants into the market e.g Nissan Qashai,Jac,Gac, and old rivals like the Rav4,Crv,Santa fe.

Organizations who place premium on reliability re avoiding the Ford edge due to their previous experience ,it takes only an automotive enthusiast or one who wants to stand out from the crowd that would pick a Ford edge when presented with other options.

Would the Ford edge get the job done by moving you from Point A to B,Definitely YES.

However,the new generation of Ford Edge is exciting.

jayceeabdulwasiu:
I smiled with the 2030 quote.... That's nice to hear

However, which one can you recommend with resons between 2018 FORD EDGE SEL (142,763KM) , 2018 FORD ECOSPORT TITANIUM AWD (60,611KM) and 2018 FORD FUSION TITANIUM.

demolagilbert:
i love the way you described the Ford Edge. I usu itch when i hear some folks say that they prefer the body of 04-09 rx330 to a ford edge. Like for me, there is no contest, the ford edge is way finer in and out, and the space OMG. I have used an rx330, so i know the diff. The only rx i would pick over a ford egde is the 2010 redesign, and of course these recent designs from '17 to date. Kindly, add me to the whatsapp group 08184733016

demolagilbert:
Ford Edge is a great SUV. Folks just need to do more research before buying a car. I have a rule of not buying a car model made in the first year or first year of redesign. They tend to have a lot of issues (and this isnt exclusive to the edge) which are usually fine-tuned and corrected in subsequent years. Eg the Ford edge worst year is 07/08. Do your findings online and you will find this to be true. The best year based on customer perception and reports/reviews is 09, even with better ratings than the 2018. Hence when it was time to buy i knew i would be fleeing from any 08 no matter how good the deal was. The 2011 redesign also had issues eg door ajar lights coming on, causing the cabin lights not to go off, it got better in 2013/ 2014 models. Honda evil spirit first debut too was horrible. All these info are online. With a little research, you can prevent yourself from getting the short end of the stick. Doesnt mean the brand isnt good. 09/10 Ford edge rocks!

demolagilbert:
Ford Edge is a great SUV. Folks just need to do more research before buying a car. I have a rule of not buying a car model made in the first year or first year of redesign. They tend to have a lot of issues (and this isnt exclusive to the edge) which are usually fine-tuned and corrected in subsequent years. Eg the Ford edge worst year is 07/08. Do your findings online and you will find this to be true. The best year based on customer perception and reports/reviews is 09, even with better ratings than the 2018. Hence when it was time to buy i knew i would be fleeing from any 08 no matter how good the deal was. The 2011 redesign also had issues eg door ajar lights coming on, causing the cabin lights not to go off, it got better in 2013/ 2014 models. Honda evil spirit first debut too was horrible. All these info are online. With a little research, you can prevent yourself from getting the short end of the stick. Doesnt mean the brand isnt good. 09/10 Ford edge rocks!

ozone0801:
I plan on getting the first generation Ford edger.
I believe I can get insights and info about this model if I'm on the whatsapp group, also first hand user's experience.

07038122555

radautoworks:
nooooo

sultaan:
I can't believe you said no, without stating the problems with the car.
It might not be Toyota reliable, but far better than Land Rover, or BMW

radautoworks:
actually it was more the first generation than the Ford edge part

Femtopford:
It's extremely wrong of you to say nooo blatantly without any cogent explanation. I furiously get mad when anyone tries to degenerate ford in any perspectives. the person you replied NO has already become a member of my WhatsApp ford group. I have given him all the details of ford he required to the slightest bits I always tell my group members and all ford lover that those mechanics, technicians, technologists and engineers that normally say negatives about ford are incompetent ones.

Ford vehicles are my only and sole area of specialization and I won't stay idle if anyone tries to ridicule it, I can raise my head high and no one can say otherwise to me, if anyone is competent enough, he should boldly come here and compete with me in Ford vehicles technologies.

radautoworks:
I can't have a productive conversation with you. I stopped reading at "white lie".

Femtopford:
You're 100 right, first year production of a particular generation of any vehicle will definitely have few faults which are just percentage errors in engineering. then those errors are taking care of in the following years at the assembly.

Never the less, those errors are easily rectified in a good workshop like what happened to some 2008 Ford Escape being the first year production of 2nd generation of Escape as narrated in the WhatsApp group below

radautoworks:
I THINK EVERYONE CAN NOW SEE WHY I DID NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH YOU. You willfully misinterpreted what I said, called me a liar and insulted me repeatedly yet here you are saying EXACTLY what I said.

You want to fix cars and lie to people just to accomplish that goal and change positions like the wind to appeal to whoever is talking at the moment. Nonsense.

Femtopford:
issokay oooo

off mic, abeg



I can now see that you don't have important works to do, so you are on my tread for the past three weeks day and night monitoring my articles constantly, wow this is extremely amazing to the extent that you searched all the previous passages and requoted them. Well I shouldn't be surprised, you're a female, you will definitely behave like one having such luxury of time, was is so painful that your standard is far low to my competitive level.

See am too busy than all these noncense, I have realized that you don't have better things to do, You think I was just competing with you without a definite purpose, of course not, I was using the opportunity to promote Ford and my workshop which am proud of, if I didn't promote my business, what else do you expect me to do, is it to do another business or come to bow to, in your dreams.

Like you said, it's because I want to fix Ford. Yes I want to fix Ford, am saying it openly to the whole world, because I derive pleasure in it and gain lots of profits .

PLEASE OOO ALL FORD OWNERS, FEMTOPFORD WORKSHOP IS OPEN OOO.

BRING YOUR FORD FOR REPAIRS OOO.

THOSE THAT HAVE BROUGHT THEIR FORD SMILE OUT OF FEMTOPFORD WORKSHOP OOOO.

Can you see now that am not ashamed of the profession that is bringing into my pocket both small and big furtune, which makes me to raise my head high.

So back to your words, You said Noooooo, that Ford is very bad without any explanation, that was why I correct your mistake, that Ford is very good, faults and errors will definitely come up on all vehicles not just Ford because they are machines, they will definitely depreciate, but you put all your angers on Ford because am definitely sure that your level of technology couldn't supersede Ford technicalities and you didn't succeed in most Ford repairs. OH SORRY OOO, Those Ford repairs you failed please send them to femtopford workshop, I will help you out.

Good day.

Femtopford:
I can now see that you don't have important works to do, so you are on my tread for the past three weeks day and night monitoring my articles constantly, wow this is extremely amazing to the extent that you searched all the previous passages and requoted them. Well I shouldn't be surprised, you're a female, you will definitely behave like one having such luxury of time, was is so painful that your standard is far low to my competitive level.

See am too busy than all these noncense, I have realized that you don't have better things to do, You think I was just competing with you without a definite purpose, of course not, I was using the opportunity to promote Ford and my workshop which am proud of, if I didn't promote my business, what else do you expect me to do, is it to do another business or come to bow to, in your dreams.

Like you said, it's because I want to fix Ford. Yes I want to fix Ford, am saying it openly to the whole world, because I derive pleasure in it and gain lots of profits .

PLEASE OOO ALL FORD OWNERS, FEMTOPFORD WORKSHOP IS OPEN OOO.

BRING YOUR FORD FOR REPAIRS OOO.

THOSE THAT HAVE BROUGHT THEIR FORD SMILE OUT OF FEMTOPFORD WORKSHOP OOOO.

Can you see now that am not ashamed of the profession that is bringing into my pocket both small and big furtune, which makes me to raise my head high.

So back to your words, You said Noooooo, that Ford is very bad without any explanation, that was why I correct your mistake, that Ford is very good, faults and errors will definitely come up on all vehicles not just Ford because they are machines, they will definitely depreciate, but you put all your angers on Ford because am definitely sure that your level of technology couldn't supersede Ford technicalities and you didn't succeed in most Ford repairs. OH SORRY OOO, Those Ford repairs you failed please send them to femtopford workshop, I will help you out.

Good day.

radautoworks:
My mind business abi? The man asked a question about a specific model which I answered. In your desperate need for publicity (which you willingly admit above) you inserted yourself into my response and LIED to him so that when he had all the problems I warned about with that model you would get to repair them. Yes, I've been watching your thread to see just how low you will stoop. Just like I watch plenty of NL threads and call out misinformation. Ozone0801 again, do not buy the FIRST GENERATION ford edge. He has admitted that it is a problem like I told you.

No amount of spin you try to put on it will take away from the fact that you are a LIAR who will say anything to try to get a few measly repairs. You very clearly know that certain models have issues but say "Never the less, those errors are easily rectified in a good workshop like what happened to some 2008 Ford Escape being the first year production of 2nd generation of Escape as narrated in the WhatsApp group below". Then why advice people to buy them?

We fix Fords all day that people like you messed up or advised people to buy knowing they had issues. We don't advice people to buy models we know will have faults they will need to spend money to fix. We don't need to lie to convince people to buy cars we know will cost them money. That's why our customers are loyal.

This is the last post I will make to you. Your 15 minutes of my time and exposure is over. Just remember God is watching you and the little money you make lying to people is not worth your soul SMH. And to all of you trusting him with your repairs, ask yourself how much of what he tells you is true and how much is just to get money out of you. Is he working for you or himself?

Femtopford:
What's the mileage of Fusion

jayceeabdulwasiu:
I smiled with the 2030 quote.... That's nice to hear

However, which one can you recommend with resons between 2018 FORD EDGE SEL (142,763KM) , 2018 FORD ECOSPORT TITANIUM AWD (60,611KM) and 2018 FORD FUSION TITANIUM.

jayceeabdulwasiu:
The fusion mileage is 54,769km.... However, I've settled for the 2018 Edge SEL because I have small body and I like big things .... I like the feel when I test drive it

jayceeabdulwasiu:
The fusion mileage is 54,769km.... However, I've settled for the 2018 Edge SEL because I have small body and I like big things .... I like the feel when I test drive it

jayceeabdulwasiu:
The fusion mileage is 54,769km.... However, I've settled for the 2018 Edge SEL because I have small body and I like big things .... I like the feel when I test drive it

BamBamK:

Femtopford:
Yeeeees ooooo, BamBamk come for Ford ooo

radautoworks:
You seem soo interested in my repair thread so let me drop this here.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2020/10/13/f-series-super-duty-6-0-l-diesel-engine-costs-ford-again/3626782001/

Appeals court: Ford committed fraud by selling defective Super Duty trucks
Phoebe Wall Howard
Detroit Free Press
The owner of a 2006 Ford F-350 argued for years that Ford Motor Co. sold Super Duty trucks with defective 6.0L diesel engines to thousands of unsuspecting buyers and then concealed the known problems, saddling customers with repair bills and exposing them to engine failure.

Now an appeals court has agreed with Charles Brian Margeson, 41, of Torrance, California.

He is the first Super Duty truck owner with a 6.0L diesel engine to have a fraud claim against Ford affirmed on appeal. The California Court of Appeal late last month upheld a lower court's ruling in Margeson's favor. Five other jury awards against Ford in similar cases are pending appeals.


"I bought my truck new. It must've broken down a couple dozen times and the turbo even blew up," Margeson told the Free Press. "I started carrying spare hoses with me and leather gloves because everything was super hot and I had to repair it myself on the side of the freeways. We would lose power. I mentioned it to Ford a couple times, saying, 'Hey, this is a lemon.' They just laughed it off. I just wanted a truck that worked."


He decided to opt out of a class action case involving unhappy Super Duty owners who eventually settled in 2013.

On his own, Margeson filed a lawsuit in June 2014. He was awarded a total of $940,177.74 in June 2017, but the appeals court determined expert testimony about punitive damages was improper and tossed out that piece of his award — about $726,000. But a new jury, in a trial not yet scheduled, will determine how much Ford must pay him in punitive damages, which by definition is designed to punish the defendant.

A top legal expert in the U.S. told the Free Press that Margeson's victory is a powerful example of how a class action case can be used to prevent potentially billions in costs when things go wrong with consumers, in this case for Ford.

"The company dodged a bullet," said Brian Fitzpatrick, a law professor at Vanderbilt University who clerked for the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

Charles Brian Margeson, his daughter, Alexis, wife, Jaime, and son, Robert, of Torrance, California during a "COVID trip" to Zion National Park during spring break in April. He sued Ford for fraud after the company sold him a 6.0L diesel engine with known defects used in his F-350.
In Margeson's case, the Court of Appeal in California on Sept. 22 upheld the Los Angeles County Superior Court jury verdict that found Ford acted with malice, oppression or fraud by deliberately concealing known defects in its Power Stroke diesel engine. The engine was made by Navistar and used primarily in Super Duty trucks for model years 2003-07.

Margeson, a technician who maintains the electrical grid for Southern California Edison, used internal Ford documents to prove in court the Dearborn automaker knew its diesel engines were bad and put them in the heavy-duty pickups anyway for years.


Owners reported problems including loss of engine power, blown head gasket, warped or disfigured head bolts and oil cooler failure. Frequent breakdowns and decreased resale value dominated pickup discussion groups.

The jury award to Margeson included the maximum amount allowed for Ford’s violation of California’s lemon law, totaling $214,537.34, plus legal fees. That amount is not in dispute and will go to Margeson.

It could've been avoided if Ford had taken his pleas seriously, Margeson said. "Every time I would tow, the thing would break down."

Charles Brian Margeson of Torrance, California, purchased a 2006 Ford F-350 that routinely broke down when he hauled his trailer. He sued Ford Motor Co. for fraud and his case was upheld on appeal in September. This image of his vehicle was taken in California City, California, circa 2008.
Bryan Altman of Los Angeles, Margeson's lawyer, said the new jury will determine how much Ford should be punished monetarily.

"There's no built-in ceiling on this," Altman said. "The jury will be tasked with considering how heinous and repetitive their fraudulent conduct was. They put this 6.0 engine in over 1 million Ford vehicles, with estimates in sales ranging as high as $60 billion."



A Ford spokesman declined to comment on details of the case. Ian Thibodeau told the Free Press in a statement, "We are happy that the appellate court struck down the punitive damage award. Ford looks forward to the opportunity for a retrial.”

Black smoke
Of the nearly $215,000 the jury awarded Margeson under the lemon law, $72,564.04 was in compensatory damages that essentially repay Margeson for his truck, which was among the priciest on the market at the time. The rest was a civil penalty.

For years, he and other owners of the heavy-duty pickups reported the engines would break down and emit black smoke.

Margeson decided to sue, he said, after the truck stranded him on the side of a highway with his wife and baby as semis roared past. He broke down in tears on the stand while testifying under examination.


"It was really scary," said Margeson, who declined an offer from Ford for a few hundred dollars after he had spent thousands in repairs. "I understand they're a business and they care about their shareholders. But, at some point, they need to be worried about their customers."


Ford initially denied a problem existed, then claimed there was insufficient evidence to prove the claim and finally maintained the company wasn't aware of the extent of the diesel engine problem. Internal emails written by upper level management shattered the Ford defense.


One email presented during trial was dated five months before Margeson purchased his truck. John Koszewnik, Ford's North American diesel division director, wrote on Feb. 5, 2006, that warranty repairs on the 6.0L engine were running "as high as $5 million a month" and added Ford would not invest in an engine upgrade. Two hours later, according to court records, Koszewnik warned people not to forward his email.

Mike Frommann, the Ford warranty manager, emailed his colleagues warning that the diesel engine could lead to a class action lawsuit if its cylinder pressure specifications went public.

He wrote in an email to colleagues dated July 13, 2006, "I recommend we delete all these emails."

By February 2007, warranty repair costs on the engine exceeded $400 million, including more than $227 million to fix fuel injectors and more than $182 million on turbochargers, which was the largest repair rate ever seen for any Ford engine. This information was taken from an affidavit by one of Ford's own officials in a lawsuit it filed against Navistar. Despite this testimony, Ford later denied engine problems when it was being sued over the Navistar engine.


The appeals court affirmed there was "adequate evidence of intentional concealment of these problems by Ford to the detriment of consumers."

Not alone
Super Duty trucks, which are purchased for both personal and commercial work, are bigger and more powerful than their bestselling F-150 little brother. The F-250 and F-350 are marketed as being capable of pulling more weight and carrying heavier loads.

Ford Super Duty owners have claimed since it came out that the Navistar engine was troubled. At the same time, the faulty engine was touted as best in class by Ford with the most horsepower, most torque and other high-performance claims. The Free Press was unable to confirm how many of the vehicles remain on the road today.

Class action settlement
While the young father sued Ford himself, other truck owners chose a different route.


Dozens of class-action lawsuits involving the 6.0L diesel engine were consolidated and settled in 2013 by Ford. It entitled F-250 and F-350 owners to claim between $50 and $825 in reimbursement for post-warranty repairs.

Ford agreed to pay the 16 truck owners who brought the class action lawsuit on behalf of Super Duty owners nationally a total of $150,000, which is separate from the relief money provided to all people included in the class group, Automotive News reported.

Compare $150,000 total for 16 plaintiffs with nearly $215,000 for one plaintiff, not including punitive damages.

Super Duty owners were included in the class action and qualified for limited repair reimbursement unless they opted out.

Win for Ford

The Super Duty class action settlement was a huge win for Ford, especially in light of the recent court ruling, said Fitzpatrick, author of "The Conservative Case for Class Actions."


"That opens up the question, could every single class member have gotten the price of their car back?" he said. "If they had to pay every class member the price of their car back, it would be like the Volkswagen situation and Volkswagen paid billions of dollars. They ended up paying every class member the price of their car — 500,000 people."

The case against Ford appears to have been a lot more valuable than the Super Duty class members knew at the time, FItzpatrick said.

Brian Fitzpatrick, a law professor at Vanderbilt University and author of "The Conservative Case for Class Actions," said Ford Motor Co. contained huge costs by settling a case involving the 6.0L diesel engine used in Super Duty models 2003-2007.
"One of the virtues of class action, from the defendant's perspective, is 'global peace,' ” Fitzpatrick said. “You can wipe something off your balance sheet in one fell swoop. That's why a lot of companies like class action. But every once in a while, someone will opt out. So the loose ends weren't quite tied up this time. But pretty close. One got away, but that's OK. The company still got a lot of global peace for the settlement."


Meanwhile, the F-350 case involving Margeson is the first of six Super Duty cases led by Altman and the Knight Law Group, laying the groundwork for potential issues for Ford in the future.

In addition to Margeson, five other consumers who owned Super Duty trucks with 6.0L diesel engines collectively have been awarded more than $10 million by juries. Ford is appealing all of these cases.

Fitzpatrick said Ford would be wise to settle with remaining Super Duty owners suing over the Navistar engine. He said the company could cut its losses and reduce time and money by closing the books.

Auto critics knew
"The dark times began in 2003," wrote Chris Riley in an historical overview of engines posted on autowise.com in early 2018.

"Faced with more stringent emissions standards, Ford introduced its least reputable diesel engine to date —the 6.0L Power Stroke. This engine was so bad that Ford and Navistar eventually went to court over it," Riley wrote. "It featured a glut of emissions equipment never before used, such as an exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve."

$1B on repairs
By January 2009, Mike Levine wrote as then-editor of PickupTrucks.com, "Ford said it had spent $1 billion on repairs and recalls to fix problems with legacy 6.0-liter Power Stroke diesel engines."

Bryan Altman and his son, Michael, at a restaurant in Santa Monica, California in fall 2018. Altman represents owners of Ford F-350 trucks suing Ford for defective 6.0L diesel engines used in model years 2003-2007.
Loss of power steering and power brakes because of engine problems resonated with jurors in multiple cases, not just Margeson's, Altman said. "Ford would deny the problem" but their internal emails indicated the company concealed what it knew.

"They were even keeping repair people at Ford facilities in the dark so information never got out to the public, according to testimony," he said.


Bob Fascetti, who oversaw diesel engine products as director of V-engine and diesel engineering for Ford North America, said in a Feb. 28, 2007, affidavit: "Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0L has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L, which represents only 10% of Ford's total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all of Ford's warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford's overall warranty spending."


Future business
Jon Gabrielsen, a market analyst who has interviewed hundreds of commercial truck buyers in North America on how they rank factors that influence their purchase, said these Navistar cases may be more sensitive than casual observers realize.

This is not just about individual Super Duty owners who have suffered financially but the situation has the potential to affect future business targeted by new CEO Jim Farley.


“It is a new day at Ford with new leadership and a more focused strategy, specifically including significant focus on the commercial end of the truck business," Gabrielsen said. "These F-250 and F-350 trucks are the volume leaders within the business-to-business commercial vehicle offering for Ford. And commercial business buyers are intensively focused on quality, reliability, durability and total cost of ownership of their fleets.

"So it would seem to be in Ford’s best interest to clean up and close out this unfortunate chapter in history on any last open lawsuits in this area so that they can focus purely on growing this mission critical segment without the lingering taint on the Super Duty brand.”

More:Ford knew Focus, Fiesta models had flawed transmission, sold them anyway
https://www.freep.com/in-depth/money/cars/ford/2019/07/11/ford-focus-fiesta-transmission-defect/1671198001/

More:US fraud prosecutors demand Ford Focus, Fiesta documents
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/11/06/ford-fiesta-focus-transmission-lawsuit-dps-6/2506025001/

More:Ford to pay millions to Focus, Fiesta owners in transmission settlement
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2020/01/25/ford-fiesta-focus-transmission-settlement-deal/4554381002/

undiesxtra:
Pls add me to the ford WhatsApp ooooo. I just got a Ford edge 2008.
Any ford mechanic recommendation in Ibadan plssssss.
08119673317
Thanks guy

jimmy74:
Can I get a reliable Ford Edge Mechanic in Ibadan and also be added to the Ford family whatsap group. Thank you all.