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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 9:45pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ:Christians becoming a soldier should be a personal decision besides there are rules of engagement in the military couple with the fact that if the war is not justified a soldier can simply decide to quit. A Christian would not deliberately aim at a fellow Christian still this does not mean a Christian can not be a soldier or other paramilitary. Simple life is what Jesus lived, no rich man can go knocking on the door of a poor man only to be insulted for coming uninvited, so Christians must humble themselves as nothing to become evangelists!you know nothing, there very rich people who were Jesus disciples besides Jesus did not go from door to door most times he preached on boats, mountains or village squares. Besides Jesus never for once condemn roman military. I repeat it that if you can't point to any group that's practicing what you're saying then your God is a failure, a real God controls a multitude of worshipers and make them have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Cor 1:10Jehovah witness are far from Jesus. Jesus said his disciples will witness for him, jwo do not witness for Jesus. Jesus never discourage anyone from respecting the nationality, neither did he refuse to heal or save people but Jwo would never save any soul by blood transfusion, they discourage people from respecting their nationality, they do not witness for christ but for Jehovah and many other bad fruits, they are nothing like christ. Jwo are a bunch of hypocrite, christ haters, harbours and protect pedophiles, deny the resurrection of Jesus, jehovah witness organisation was built on occultism (taze Russell was a freemason and also the watchtower itself), false prophecy and twisted bible interpretation. They are nothing like christ, Jesus said his church will founded upon the rock. The church is called the ground and pillar of truth unlike Jehovah witness organisation that has an history of lies(false prophecy) 2 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 10:30pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
Your recent comments this evening are so unbecoming of one who claims to be a Christian. It further shows you have no respect and regard for God's Word—the Bible. The Bible says that in the last days, God's people will beat their weapons of war into farming tools and they won't learn or participate in war anymore. (Isaiah 2:2-4) That means when it comes to anything concerning war, God's people today have no part in it. When you check the records of Jehovah's Witnesses in this respect, you'll find it sparkling clean. Also, on the night of Jesus' arrest, when Peter drew a sword in defense and struck the ear of the slave Malchus, Jesus Christ told him to “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.” —Matthew 26:52 Meaning that he and all the disciples should never resort to violence or war when such situations arise. Instead if they(Christians) are being persecuted and their worship is being disrupted, they are to flee/escape/run to the next city and not stay back to fight over territories.—Matthew 10:23 In fact it is love for Jehovah God, love for our brothers and sisters related to us in the faith and love for our neighbour that motivates us never to get ourselves involved with anything pertaining to violence or war.—Mark 12:29-32, John 13:34-35, Colossians 3:14 Jesus said we should “continue to love [our] enemies and to pray for those who persecute [us]”—Matthew 5:44-45 It is because of all these that Jehovah's Witnesses “live at peace with men of all sorts”—Romans 12:17-18 Between you and all the JWs on this thread now, who would the random observer reading this post think is truly representing Jesus and his teachings? Jesus' instruction for his disciples was that they move in pairs from house to house. (Matthew 10:5-14, Luke 10:1-11) The early Christians imitated this method of preaching because it was effective. (Acts 5:42, 20:20) As for the bolded, refer to the other section of this post.
My guy just keep shut and learn when JWs are speaking to you—instead of ranting and raving over what you know nothing about. I earlier asked a very important question: Between you and all the JWs on this thread now, who would the random observer reading this post think is truly representing Jesus and his teachings? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 10:45pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
livingchrist: Sorry oo That embolden is kinda funny to me You mean a Christian soldier should ask if his enemy is a Christian before aiming? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 10:50pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
haddeylium: He thinks that just by saying “I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and Saviour” makes him a Christian Let him go and challenge Jesus' own words at Matthew 5:44 and 26:52 Werey dey disguise 2 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 10:57pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
DappaD: E shock me oo when I thought I have seen it all |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 1:41am On Oct 15, 2020 |
haddeylium:good such a soldier died on duty. Since a Christian will not deliberately kill a fellow soldier. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 2:03am On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD:There is no where in the bible where Jesus forbide his disciples from becoming a soldier. You are turning the bible upside-down, Isaiah2:2-4 is referring to a time yet to come. Also, on the night of Jesus' arrest, when Peter drew a sword in defense and struck the ear of the slave Malchus, Jesus Christ told him to “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.” —Matthew 26:52you lack understanding of the scriptures. Jesus was speaking of making a defence of the gospel through violence. In fact it is love for Jehovah God, love for our brothers and sisters related to us in the faith and love for our neighbour that motivates us never to get ourselves involved with anything pertaining to violence or war.—Mark 12:29-32, John 13:34-35, Colossians 3:14when has becoming a soldier means one is hateful? Being a soldier has nothing to do with hate or revenge just defending the nation against external aggression. If there were no police, soldiers do you think you can be able to live in your house? As long as there is lawlessness, there must the authorities to checkmate it, so it has being ordained of God. Between you and all the JWs on this thread now, who would the random observer reading this post think is truly representing Jesus and his teachings?Jesus never instructed his disciples to go from door to door, Jehovah witnesses are bunch of liars and hypocrites, actually white washed graves filled with dead men bones including you Dappa. 2 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 9:17am On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Ahhh...Ewo re Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you; (Matthew 5:43-45) Are you saying it's an act of love that would make a christain wage war and kill his enemy? make it make sense |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:23am On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Before you can understand what Jesus meant at Matthew 26:52 you need to know the history of the army as in why nations began forming the armies! I was once a soldier so let me tell you perhaps you can refute it. Dispute between two persons could lead to a fight if not resolved amicably but when a third party comes around, he/she will jump into the middle and separate the two fighting. The same thing goes when a clan, village, town, city or county had a serious dispute with another and it could not be resolved amicably then they'll resort to violence. That's the reason why people form ARMIES. Each person comes up with a deadly weapon and teach his own side how to make use of such destructive device, the amount of destructive devices determines the winner because they're to kill as many as possible in the opposite side to show their strength. Jesus is the chosen King of God's Kingdom and his Kingdom is to unite all faithful individuals from all nations, so if he supports his own people to go to war, how do you think the Romans will continue to rule over the Israelites? Do you think Jesus don't know of weapons that could destroy the entire Roman army within a second? Remember that it's just one single angel that killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night. 2Kings 19:35 compare to Matthew 26:53 If you're a Christian know today that there is no reason for you to take up weapons against anyone, because our battle is not against flesh and blood {Ephesians 6:12} soldiers fight for the interest of greedy politicians, while Christians soldiers fight for God's Kingdom. So our fight has nothing to do with weapons and we don't go to battle with unbelievers like worldly soldiers, we go with FAITH! 2Corinthians 5:7 2 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 9:24am On Oct 15, 2020 |
My guy all these one na just okoto yarns. You saw that I quoted Jesus' words from the Bible abi? Whereas you cannot quote a single passage that supports your faulty claim. That's why I asked you this: Between you and all the JWs on this thread now, who would the random observer reading this post think is truly representing Jesus and his teachings? I think everyone can clearly see who's representing Jesus Christ and his teachings now. Please do not quote me any more. 4 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 9:40am On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD: You know during my teens when reading the book "The greatest man who ever lived" i always wonder what type of hypocrites are those Pharisees and Saddusees. Because they have nothing to accuse Jesus yet they're pointing to the scriptures which they themselves can't make good use of it for peace to reign amongst them. They kept pointing accusing fingers at Jesus and his disciples even when there is nothing wrong anywhere. It's when i began dealing with most misinformed religionsists most especially trinitarians that all what happened to Jesus and his followers now comes back to my memories. Surely Satan is working tirelessly to blind people to the truth. How can someone be arguing and accusing JWs of being hypocrites, liars, whitewashed graves filled with dead men's bones but the same group is the one and only group that will never raise a weapon against anyone! |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 10:01am On Oct 15, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ: living 4 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 12:30pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
haddeylium: He has made the sense nah by telling everyone that JWs (who are teachings people never to kill their fellowman) are hypocrites and whitewashed graves filled with dead men's bones! 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 1:02pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
haddeylium: Christians do not kill their enemy. Soldiers, police, operate base on the law of the land, even God said justice should be carried out. Provided the war is justified then it is permissible. For example the fight against boko haram insurgents. The reason Jesus said Christians should not revenge for themselves is because they do not have the power to execute judgment kn their enemies, only God has that power and he also delegate such power to the government who are ordained as God. The kings, soldiers, police, judges are God's ministers to carry out vengeance on the wicked. I laugh at jws ignorance. Romans 13:2-4 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. So who is Jehovah witness organisation to go against God authority? 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 1:04pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD:Did Jesus ever teach that people should not be soldiers give me the verse 3 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 1:07pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ:so moses, david and even Abraham that killed their fellow men are what? Justice and murder are two different things, God permit death sentence as justice base on some crime. Murder is an individual or a group unlawfully or unjustly taking the life of another soul. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:19pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: You only read but no meditation! Romans 13:2-4 Simply means Satan has been given the authority over all the kingdoms of the earth {Luke 4:6} so all those serving under him as judges, kings, chiefs, governors, ministers, senators, reps, local government chairmen and counselors should be honoured and respected as authority from God since God permitted then to be there, whoever goes against them is going against the judicial decisions of God who permitted them, that's why they make rules (even though they don't have regards for God's word) but whoever is found guilty by their laws will be punished. True Christians can't be a part of that system {John 15:18-19, 17:14} we don't participate in any of their affairs because we know God's Kingdom is coming to destroy them all! Daniel 2:44 Use your senses and not what you are programmed to say against Jehovah's Witnesses, if Christians are permitted to carry weapons and fight for justice then why did Jesus admonished them to flee from their homes and properties during persecution? Or do you think anyone can persecute soldiers who are fully armed and ready to defend their lives, families and properties? 2 Likes |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 1:33pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Guy humble and learn, neither Abraham, Moses nor David is qualified for God's Kingdom yet because they've not received training from the Prince of Peace, that's why Jesus said "among those born of women (from Abel till John the baptist) there has never been anyone greater than John the baptist but the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John" Matt 11:11 So none of those people you mentioned is yet qualified for everlasting life because they will still be resurrected and taught Jesus' counseling, whoever thought he's anything better than Jesus' command will return to dust! Rev 20:11-13 The Prince of Peace has given the order saying drop all weapons, because all those who settle matters with weapons will perish by weapons Matthew 26:52 All those who lived before John the baptist never heard such a statement before so they will not be condemned for what they don't know, but whoever disregard the order from God's only begotten son after hearing it with his/her own ears, God's wrath is upon that person! John 3:18, 36 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 3:30pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
Remember that all false religionists are on that broad road leading to destruction. So they are free to do as they like. (Matthew 7:13-14) They say JWs are zombies, ok, they say JWs are brainwashed, no wahala. At least there's enough evidence to show that Jesus Christ (Prince of Peace) is guiding the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses today. (Isaiah 9:6, Ephesians 1:22) and everyone coming in contact with JWs will feel that measure of love, peace, patience, meekness radiated from their gathering. (Galatians 5:22-23) BUT REMEMBER! They are brainwashed oh Whereas the ones that are not brainwashed—Catholics, Anglicans, Protestants, Pentecostal—will begin killing themselves when their pastors and political leaders incite them to do so and all in the name of their worthless trinity idols. Perhaps they should go and read up about the armed political conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland that spanned almost 30years thereabout that ended in the late 1990's. These ones are worshiping the same trinity idols but they are not brainwashed that's why they were okay fighting and killing themselves over politics. 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:01pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse:good, going against the rulers means going against the judicial decision of God who permitted them, the question is, why do jwo tell their members to go against God by forbidding members from honoring their country? Why did God appoint these rulers? Is it not to maintain law and order in the society? True Christians can't be a part of that system {John 15:18-19, 17:14} we don't participate in any of their affairs because we know God's Kingdom is coming to destroy them all! Daniel 2:44Can you show me anywhere were Jesus forbade being a soldier? In all of these, you have not show how being a soldier or governor or any other is bad, being a soldier or even a doctor is not bad it is what the practitioners do with it that matters. Whether you admit it or not Jehovah witness are part of the systems of this world. As far as you work, buy or sell or do anything at all, you are indirectly part of the world system. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:13pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD:good thank God for your labeling, same way the pharisee labelled Jesus a fraud, a possessed man, same way you have labelled christians false religion. Have you bothered to read about your organisation history? Your foundation is rooted in satanism, go and find out, taze Russell was a freemason (a luciferian) many years your organisation were deeply in paganism
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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by achorladey: 4:24pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: What made the scripture you typed interesting is it says THEY ARE MINISTER OF GOD and I believe Paul understood very well what he was saying when Romans 13: 1- 5 was written. The fact that he had numerous encounter with the GOVERNMENT equally shows. I wonder when they pay TAXES to the government, they are paying TAXES to SATAN and HIS AGENTS to carry on the damage since they believe government are under SATAN AUTHORITY. One way or the other they lend support to SATAN 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:30pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
The first image Carrie's the Egyptian symbol All symbols are clearly freemasonry Compare with the freemasonry symbol below Is it just a coincendence or there is more than meets the eye. Occult knowledge are shrouded in symbols, in which can only be unraveled by a member
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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:33pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
achorladey:their money are being used to fund the military to kill fellow men. Imagine jehovah witness paying taxes to fund the killing of another witness who also pay tax to kill his fellow witness. Jokers |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 4:40pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
I see nothing here except moonlight tales that has no hold on me or any other JW. Your trinity idols are so worthless to the point that it cannot resolve issues between its worshipers, between Catholics and Protestants, who were politically divided and went ahead to kill themselves. Truly, those who are approved of the true God are evident by the fact that they practise righteousness. Meanwhile, offspring of Satan are like a restless sea that cannot calm down—those who can even murder the fellow brother all in the name of tagging it “justified”.(Isaiah 57:20, 1John 3:10-12) @living 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:47pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Please expatiate on the bolded, what do you mean by forbidden members from honoring their country? Can you show me anywhere were Jesus forbade being a soldier?Jesus' statement at Matthew 26:52 is enough for any right thinking person to know that Jesus forbade the use of weapons. I've told you the one and only reason why people pick up weapons "to settle disputes that's not resolvable through dialogue" 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 4:51pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Do you know that the guy you're replying to, thinks your trinity god is a joke? When the disciples of the Pharisees and members of Herod's political party came to Jesus and tried to incite him to commit treachery, what did he reply to them? “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”—Matthew 22:21 Here, we see that Jesus never took sides or tried to become a political activist. Instead, he recognized that since money being a legal tender belongs to the government, it is also right for the government to ask for that money in forms of taxes and levies in order for the government to provide necessities that'll benefit the society. “God's things to God” connotes our worship, our loyalty. True Christians can only render sacred service to Jehovah God and not to any man, country, government etc—because he is a God requiring exclusive devotion. (Exodus 34:14) So in essence, Matthew 22:21 == Romans 13:1-7✓ 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:52pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
livingchrist: Accusations doesn't change the good works of a group, Jesus was accused as a Satanist by the critics of his day! Matthew 10:25 Instead of worrying yourself over what some are saying why not investigate and see for yourself if there is any Organization performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses in ensuring LOVE, JOY and PEACE in the midst of believers? Matthew 7:16-18 |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:55pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD:Of course you are blinded how will you see. The God of this world had blinded your eyes. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 5:03pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse:can you recite the national anthem? Do you stand attention when the national anthem is going on? How about you discouraging those who want join public service like the military, police and others? Jesus disciples were not soldiers, were they? Jesus only discouraged them because it was his time to die. Jesus was not raising an earthly army, so there is no need for Christians to wield weapons in defence of the gospel however for those Christians who are soldiers it is their duty to use the state authority to protect unarmed civilians so it was ordained by God. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 5:11pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
DappaD:who told you Jesus never took side? Jesus took side with God, because God appointed the government to do what is right. Same thing with soldiers who join the military or join politics without compromising their Christian standard. 3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. Yes Jesus took side with what is good, just as every Christian should. Jesus made a parable of a wounded man who was saved by a Gentile while religious folks like you passed on without glitching. Yet that gentile was recognised by Jesus. So mr max Jesus took part of the world system by paying tax and so do you and everyone else. This is not about trinity, you and your ilks has being gloating about trinity, I hope you are ok 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 5:16pm On Oct 15, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: These are not new satan can manifest himself as an angel of light how much more his ministers. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. All those false love, peace unity etc are nothing but manipulation. Jwo was not founded on Jesus but on satan's lies and deception. 2 Likes |
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