Ihedinobi:

In other words, "I don't know and I don't wanna know. Stop asking me," says Frosbel, the heresy/pagan doctrine hunter. Lol

Ihedinobi:

lol...... Didn't you know? Truthislight is Jesus Christ's new incarnation, he knows all things even the ones the real Jesus doesn't know, whatever those may be. That's why he's prancing all over nairaland correcting everybody hehehehehehe

frosbel:

as long as there are false teachers like you on Nairaland I will always be here, I mean it

ijawkid:

U seem to have a problem reasoning from the scriptures....

Please with your present stance try corroborating it with the apostle Johns words @ john 1:18 and 1 john 4:12....

You barely understand that scriptures must be alligned.....

You fail to understand that scriptures explain scriptures....that has been your problem....

Yahwehs representatives were the ones that were seen and touched and felt,not Yahweh...

You sound like I'm the writer of the book of John.....

I repeat..:::::No man has seen God(Yahweh @ anytime)...that is a fact....

You can go wallow in your ignorance.....


You are the one delusioned here not me....

You fail to interprete verses with verses.....

That I did and you are sticking to that same verse u've been quoting,but failed to consider Johns words and even Jesus own words...


Let me quote Jesus words....
John 6:46...
.......
New International Version (©1984)
No one has seen the Father except the one
who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
........
New Living Translation (©2007)
(Not that anyone has ever seen the Father;
only I, who was sent from God, have seen him.)
.....
English Standard Version (©2001)
not that anyone has seen the Father except he
who is from God; he has seen the Father.
.....
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except
the One who is from God; He has seen the
Father.


I want u to corroborate your continous obstinate stance on the fact that persons(Man) saw Yahweh,with Johns testimony and that of Jesus whom the Father sent.....

Jesus confirmed that no one(including moses and abraham..etc) has seen God...
........

You are are just a stubborn person.......

You are rather suppose to humble yourself and really find out who or what abraham and the rest patriarchs saw....and I just did give you details on it............but you seem too hard hearted....

Your argument doesn't negate the Fact that Yahweh is greater than Jesus.......

frosbel:

Mate send that nonsense Godhead rubbish to the trashcan where it belongs.

God almighty IS ONE , ONE.

haibe:

I know you are not blind and that you can read, did i say any one has seen the Father? I repeat, No man has seen the Father(God as used in 1john 4:12), but the Son has been seen, he was seen by people in the OT but you just want to deny it, saying it was not God when the bible(even NWT) says it was Jehovah, keep wasting ur time denying the scriptures.
Have you read the preceding verses of Genesis 19:24 ?

God had first appeared to abraham with two angels on earth, despite being on earth the bible says he rained upon sodom and gomorrah brimestone and fire FROM THE LORD OUT OF HEAVEN"(Gen 19:24)

Is this verse too hard for you to understand?
There are two entities mentioned here, LORD on earth raining out fire from LORD in heaven

God was on earth and yet rained fire and brimestone "from the LORD out of heaven'

Read Genesis 18 and 19 again.
The Father was the one in heaven, no man has seen him(John 6:46) except Jesus who is God also(in flesh..John 1:14)


Now let me explain what i mean by no man has seen the father and yet abraham saw him.

God(the son) is the only one that reveals himself to mankind physically, the father doesnt, neither does the holy spirit.
The son appeared to people in the OT and in the NT as a man in the person of Jesus christ.
So no one has seen the father as Jesus said and he is right, no one has seen God(father) as John said and he is also right, John did not mean the Son because he himself saw the Son, God(the son) can be seen and it was he who abraham saw in the OT, he called him Jehovah, angels cant be called Jehovah bro.

I dont expect you to even understand the trinity with the way you interprete scriptures, How can Jehovah who appeared to abraham(confirmed by steven) be an angel ?

No Jew will even tell you that the person abraham saw that was called jehovah was an angel, its blasphemy, am not suprise that JWs end up calling Jesus an angel because their understanding of who God is has been distorted by the watch tower "prophets".

You said i dint want to humble myself to learn but infact you are the one who dont want to, you corrected me on mattew 4:7 and i dint say anything about it anymore cos i knew i was wrong but you claim to know all, sincerly if you follow what the bible says in gen 18 and 19 even in your NWT you will find out that Jehovah was seen by abraham (not the father) but it seems you have blocked your passage of understanding.

Am sorry for you.

haibe:

"Hearken unto me o jacob and isreal, I AM HE; i am the first, i also am the last" (isaiah 48:12)

Jesus said "I am the first and the last"(Rev 22:13)

Jesus said I AM HE (john 13:7)

IF jesus was not the first and last, he wouldnt have claimed to be bro, he is not a liar.

Jesus said "I am the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, which is, WHICH WAS and which is to come, the ALMIGTY.

We trinitarians believe in one God also, Jesus is not an angel, he is God, he has always been and forever will be, angels have not always been,

I hope God open you eyes for you.

ijawkid:

I might just start telling u that Jesus is a morning star...

And the last time I checked morning stars were..................

Complete the sentence...

I'm even of the opinion that it was angels who visited lot and abraham and not even Jesus or Yahweh.....

But let me indulge u on this...

Can u answer this question
::::: WHO or what is an angel..??

haibe:

Satan cant call himself the first and the last bro, dont u know what that means

Angel in what sense are you asking, as used in the bible or what?
The word angel could be used in different sense, it could mean someone beautiful, a messenger, people dead and are now with God, a specific creature of God, an helper..e.t.c'

So in what sense do you mean

ijawkid:

Hahahahahahahaha....

SMH!!!!!......

So the Yahweh abraham abi lot saw was Jesus who's surname is Yahweh...

So you are still holding on to this Godhead manifold gibberish......

I sorry for you...

Keep deluding yourself...

Since I can't get u to reason,I'm happy u agree no one has seen the Father...

Which means Jesus isn't the Father and that the Father is greater than Jesus...

Thank u my brother..

U do well.....

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is
the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are
the works of thine handsheb 1:8-10)

ijawkid:

Ofcus satan can't be 1st and last in the way Jesus is...

Was satan the 1st to die and ressurected to the heavens??

Jesus is the the 1st born from the dead......

Satan isn't ......

And as regards angels::::

You said:::
""The word angel could be used in different sense, it could mean someone beautiful, a messenger, people dead and are now with God, a specific creature of God, an helper""...

Fron your thoughts on the definition of an angel Can I say Jesus is an angel??

Remember I also asked you if Jesus is a morning star...??

Who are morning stars...

Its research time bro....

Start....

haibe:

Using Angel to refer to someone beautiful, if Jesus was beautiful you can call him an ange and so is that beautiful gloria on the street.

Using Angel to refer to a messenger, Jesus can be called an angel, so is moses, elijah, joshua, pastor adeboye, oyedepo...they are also angels. Lol

Using angel to refer to an helper, Jesus can be called an angel, so is bill gates when he donated millions of dollars to the MBH.

But my bro, in the view we are using the word angel(specific creature of God), Jesus is not

haibe: @Ijawkid morning star could mean stars in the morning literally or angels.
Satan was called 'son of the morning' by isaiah.

Jesus said he is the BRIGHT and Morning star, not in the sense of angels just as SON OF GOD of Jesus not refer to sons of God in the sense of angel.

In what sense are you trying to use it, morning star used by pple could mean different things.

haibe: @Ijawkid Jesus is the light of the world, john explains that.

Ofcus Jesus is the Son of God, he was conceived by the power of the holy spirit.

frosbel: hmmm

ijawkid:

So u have now come to your senses that the meaning of the word or title can be applied in various ways and can apply to Jesus and also we humans...

But let's restrict ourselves to the heavens....

I want to ask u this.....

Who are morning stars??

Ubenedictus: simply put, a being with briliance

ijawkid:

is the Father a morning star too??

Mr ubenidictus

ogoamaka99:
@ Frosbel
Sorry, frosbel you are confused and you are writing to confuse others. What you are writing is an evidence that you are not a Christian as you have no relationship with the HOLY SPIRIT.. If not how can one who deny the HOLY SPIRIT claim to be a christian? Outside HOLY SPIRIT how can you know the BIBLE.
You may have been a christian but are now possessed with the spirit of error.So i advice you to go and read the following Scriptures- John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: [/b]but ye know him;[/b] for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the[b] Spirit of truth,[/b] which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, [b]he will guide[/b] you into all truth: for he shall [/b]not speak of himself; but whatsoever [b]he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away [/b]Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 21:11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, [b][b]Thus saith the Holy Ghost, [/b]So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
Please answer me, can you use HE for someone that is not a person.?Can someone not a person give instruction? Can someone not a person say something? Please go and repent and stop deceiving people.

Janosky:

Holy spirit is the finger of God.
So, your finger is a he, a living being distinct from you.
For your mind you go dey claim say you get SENSE

Image123:


Selective amnesia worries most of you. Does a finger speak? Do you lie to fingers. So when God says a man is His battle axe, the man is no longer living?

johnw47:

^^^
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Pro_26:12  Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Pro_29:20  Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Ecc_2:14  The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

Janosky:

Is JohnW a Nairaland moderator ?
Is this thread closed?

When you lack SENSE, you come to this public forum to display your immaturity.

johnw47:


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Janosky:


In Greek , holy spirit is a neuter.
Your Bibles, (KJV, Byington etc) correctly says holy spirit is "it/itself", but una shift the goal post in John 15:26

johnw47:


johnw47:


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the same greek word "pneuma" that is used for the Holy Spirit
is also used for Father God/a Spirit:

Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

so you fraud janosky say that Father God is neuter, a "it"


1Co_12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit(pneuma) of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost(pneuma).

truly God is not a "it", oh great spreader of lies

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

First things first, I refuse to join issues with JohnW who said he is foolish to reply to 8years old topic on this thread.

In the holy scriptures, Jesus Christ, Moses and pagan king Pharaoh knows that holy spirit is God's finger , ( Exodus 8:19 ,Luke 11:20,no finger has life independent of the owner. Is your finger a living person?),
Your 1 Corinthians 12:3 quote says "Spirit of God", the word "of",is a Preposition. Bros , go find out it's meaning in a sentence.
Also,Bros, go and argue with Moses, king Pharaoh and Jesus Christ.

Janosky:


First things first, I refuse to join issues with JohnW who said he is foolish to reply to 8years old topic on this thread.