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Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Nobody: 11:22am On Sep 26, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: as long as there are false teachers like you on Nairaland I will always be here, I mean it 2 Likes |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Ubenedictus(m): 11:31am On Sep 26, 2012 |
Ihedinobi:very funny, |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Nobody: 11:59am On Sep 26, 2012 |
frosbel: Don't tell me that you really think that I care lol......... Haven't you seen how wonderful the chemistry between me and truthislight is? You can join the party if you like, it'll be a party of two: you and truthislight, ones whose judgment is present today with you, not delayed for a day in the future. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 12:14pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
ijawkid: I know you are not blind and that you can read, did i say any one has seen the Father? I repeat, No man has seen the Father(God as used in 1john 4:12), but the Son has been seen, he was seen by people in the OT but you just want to deny it, saying it was not God when the bible(even NWT) says it was Jehovah, keep wasting ur time denying the scriptures. Have you read the preceding verses of Genesis 19:24 ? God had first appeared to abraham with two angels on earth, despite being on earth the bible says he rained upon sodom and gomorrah brimestone and fire FROM THE LORD OUT OF HEAVEN"(Gen 19:24) Is this verse too hard for you to understand? There are two entities mentioned here, LORD on earth raining out fire from LORD in heaven God was on earth and yet rained fire and brimestone "from the LORD out of heaven' Read Genesis 18 and 19 again. The Father was the one in heaven, no man has seen him(John 6:46) except Jesus who is God also(in flesh..John 1:14) Now let me explain what i mean by no man has seen the father and yet abraham saw him. God(the son) is the only one that reveals himself to mankind physically, the father doesnt, neither does the holy spirit. The son appeared to people in the OT and in the NT as a man in the person of Jesus christ. So no one has seen the father as Jesus said and he is right, no one has seen God(father) as John said and he is also right, John did not mean the Son because he himself saw the Son, God(the son) can be seen and it was he who abraham saw in the OT, he called him Jehovah, angels cant be called Jehovah bro. I dont expect you to even understand the trinity with the way you interprete scriptures, How can Jehovah who appeared to abraham(confirmed by steven) be an angel ? No Jew will even tell you that the person abraham saw that was called jehovah was an angel, its blasphemy, am not suprise that JWs end up calling Jesus an angel because their understanding of who God is has been distorted by the watch tower "prophets". You said i dint want to humble myself to learn but infact you are the one who dont want to, you corrected me on mattew 4:7 and i dint say anything about it anymore cos i knew i was wrong but you claim to know all, sincerly if you follow what the bible says in gen 18 and 19 even in your NWT you will find out that Jehovah was seen by abraham (not the father) but it seems you have blocked your passage of understanding. Am sorry for you. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 12:50pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
frosbel: "Hearken unto me o jacob and isreal, I AM HE; i am the first, i also am the last" (isaiah 48:12) Jesus said "I am the first and the last"(Rev 22:13) Jesus said I AM HE (john 13:7) IF jesus was not the first and last, he wouldnt have claimed to be bro, he is not a liar. Jesus said "I am the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, which is, WHICH WAS and which is to come, the ALMIGTY. We trinitarians believe in one God also, Jesus is not an angel, he is God, he has always been and forever will be, angels have not always been, I hope God open you eyes for you. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 1:16pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: Hahahahahahahaha.... SMH!!!!!...... So the Yahweh abraham abi lot saw was Jesus who's surname is Yahweh... So you are still holding on to this Godhead manifold gibberish...... I sorry for you... Keep deluding yourself... Since I can't get u to reason,I'm happy u agree no one has seen the Father... Which means Jesus isn't the Father and that the Father is greater than Jesus... Thank u my brother.. U do well..... |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 1:20pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: I might just start telling u that Jesus is a morning star... And the last time I checked morning stars were.................. Complete the sentence... I'm even of the opinion that it was angels who visited lot and abraham and not even Jesus or Yahweh..... But let me indulge u on this... Can u answer this question ::::: WHO or what is an angel..?? |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 1:36pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
ijawkid: Satan cant call himself the first and the last bro, dont u know what that means Angel in what sense are you asking, as used in the bible or what? The word angel could be used in different sense, it could mean someone beautiful, a messenger, people dead and are now with God, a specific creature of God, an helper..e.t.c' So in what sense do you mean |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 1:55pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: Ofcus satan can't be 1st and last in the way Jesus is... Was satan the 1st to die and ressurected to the heavens?? Jesus is the the 1st born from the dead...... Satan isn't ...... And as regards angels:::: You said::: ""The word angel could be used in different sense, it could mean someone beautiful, a messenger, people dead and are now with God, a specific creature of God, an helper""... Fron your thoughts on the definition of an angel Can I say Jesus is an angel?? Remember I also asked you if Jesus is a morning star...?? Who are morning stars... Its research time bro.... Start.... |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 1:58pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
ijawkid: I will not say anything more on this, will just leave you with some verses. Exodus 24:9-18 King James Version (KJV) 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (Acts 20:28 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 tim 3:16) "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us(I john 3:16)." 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine handsheb 1:8-10) "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth"(Gen 1:1) 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for himcolossians 1:16) The word was God(john 1:1) |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 2:02pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
ijawkid: Using Angel to refer to someone beautiful, if Jesus was beautiful you can call him an angel and so is that beautiful gloria on the street. Using Angel to refer to a messenger, Jesus can be called an angel, so is moses, elijah, joshua, pastor adeboye, oyedepo...they are also angels. Lol Using angel to refer to an helper, Jesus can be called an angel, so is bill gates when he donated millions of dollars to the MBH. But my bro, in the view we are using the word angel(specific creature of God), Jesus is not That is, if you think his nature is that of angel micheal, you are wrong bro, He is the creator of the universe. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 2:17pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: So u have now come to your senses that the meaning of the word or title can be applied in various ways and can apply to Jesus and also we humans... But let's restrict ourselves to the heavens.... I want to ask u this..... Who are morning stars?? |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 2:36pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
@Ijawkid morning star could mean stars in the morning literally or angels. Satan was called 'son of the morning' by isaiah. Jesus said he is the BRIGHT and Morning star, not in the sense of angels just as SON OF GOD of Jesus not refer to sons of God in the sense of angel. In what sense are you trying to use it, morning star used by pple could mean different things. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 2:42pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: @Ijawkid morning star could mean stars in the morning literally or angels. In what sense then is Jesus a morning star if he isn't one...?? Is Jesus not a spirit son of God?? Is he not?? Remember I said we will fall back to titles... |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by haibe(m): 2:58pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
@Ijawkid Jesus is the light of the world, john explains that. Ofcus Jesus is the Son of God, he was conceived by the power of the holy spirit. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 3:35pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
haibe: @Ijawkid Jesus is the light of the world, john explains that. Let me not stretch u tOo much on this issue... Let me take a lil rest... Nairaland no go kill me Have u rested today?? |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by TrueSeeker(m): 4:57pm On Sep 26, 2012 |
I am happy to see that truth is gradually gaining ground on Nairaland. What a manifestation. I have said it time without number on this forum that God is not a trinity. Trinity is not a Bible teaching. I give you Glory Father and Bless your Holy Name because you Alone are the Faithful. And Jesus said and I quote: "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3) BUt satan does not want people to know the only true God. 2 Likes |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Nobody: 10:17pm On Oct 17, 2012 |
hmmm |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by truthislight: 1:05am On Oct 18, 2012 |
frosbel: hmmm that is exactly what trinity does. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Ubenedictus(m): 2:22pm On Oct 18, 2012 |
ijawkid:simply put, a being with briliance |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by ijawkid(m): 2:26pm On Oct 18, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: simply put, a being with briliance is the Father a morning star too?? Mr ubenidictus |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Ubenedictus(m): 5:25pm On Oct 18, 2012 |
ijawkid:if u are interested in giving him that title i have no problem. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Janosky: 11:13pm On Nov 17, 2020 |
ogoamaka99:Holy spirit is the finger of God. So, your finger is a he, a living being distinct from you. For your mind you go dey claim say you get SENSE |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by johnw47: 2:20am On Nov 18, 2020 |
^^^ more than a fool replies to a post 8 years old on page 1 of 13 page thread, to a person not seen on this site since july 2015 Pro_26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Pro_29:20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Ecc_2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Image123(m): 2:31am On Nov 18, 2020 |
Lol @above. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Image123(m): 2:33am On Nov 18, 2020 |
Janosky: Selective amnesia worries most of you. Does a finger speak? Do you lie to fingers. So when God says a man is His battle axe, the man is no longer living? |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Janosky: 12:23pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
Image123: In Greek , holy spirit is a neuter. Your Bibles, (KJV, Byington etc) correctly says holy spirit is "it/itself", but una shift the goal post in John 15:26 In your Bible, Death stings. Is it (death) an animal ? In your Bible, Wisdom has children. Bros, who give am belle ? Every day Radio news headline summary tells you " the Newspaper said", that newspaper na human being? You are Filled with food You are Filled with wine You are Filled with holy spirit, Bros use your brain. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Janosky: 12:34pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
johnw47:Is JohnW a Nairaland moderator ? Is this thread closed? When you lack SENSE, you come to this public forum to display your immaturity. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by johnw47: 9:54pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
Janosky: mumu fraud jw janosky look at u fool, u cannot even admit your stupidity that everyone else can see Pro_26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Pro_29:20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Ecc_2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: johnw47: |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by johnw47: 10:30pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
Janosky: lying false jw janosky the same greek word "pneuma" that is used for the Holy Spirit is also used for Father God/a Spirit: Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. so you fraud janosky say that Father God is neuter, a "it" 1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit(pneuma) of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost(pneuma). truly God is not a "it", oh great spreader of lies Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by Janosky: 10:52pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
johnw47: First things first, I refuse to join issues with JohnW who said he is foolish to reply to 8years old topic on this thread. In the holy scriptures, Jesus Christ, Moses and pagan king Pharaoh knows that holy spirit is God's finger , ( Exodus 8:19 ,Luke 11:20,no finger has life independent of the owner. Is your finger a living person?), Your 1 Corinthians 12:3 quote says "Spirit of God", the word "of",is a Preposition. Bros , go find out it's meaning in a sentence. Also,Bros, go and argue with Moses, king Pharaoh and Jesus Christ. |
Re: 34 Reasons Why The “holy Spirit” Is Not A “person” - Bible Scholars attention ! by johnw47: 11:02pm On Nov 18, 2020 |
Janosky: so so duh false jw janosky i replied to you oh false jw who posted today and not to someone who hasn't been here since july 2015, oh biggest fool ever Pro_26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Pro_29:20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Ecc_2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: |
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